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Hi, wasn't sure whether to post this here or in development, so feel free to move it if necessary
I'm currently running Villainrom 12 and love it, but I'm the type of person that Constantly likes to upgrade, and gets bored of things rather quickly.
I've noticed villain have now got a 2.2 ROM out, but my only worry is that it does not include Sense UI. Can someone please point out the main differences between having the Sense UI and not?
and possibly conclude with there opinion on whether i should stick with Sense, or bin it for the new improved 2.2 Rom...?
cheers for any advice.
dael_hero said:
but I'm the type of person that Constantly likes to upgrade, and gets bored of things rather quickly.
cheers for any advice.
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I believe you've answered your own question
but while I'm always looking for something new, I also want it to be Improved .
Ive flashed many ROM's before (Mainly Villain) and all Include Sense, but just want some advice on whether I should switch.
just some opinions and maybe a comparison of features/usability would help.
Could even start a small debate about the 2 different types of ROM's .
I've tried different Roms since Sept 2009, but I've always found stock ones are the most stable. I'm currently using stock 2.1 found un villain forums with a2sd and root. Very fast and with sense. Vanilla Roms tend to drain the battery very quickly. I'm a very heavy phone user and at work coverage is poor. Try them out, you might disagree with me. Oh, and let's not compare specific Roms, they're too different to one another.
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I also get bored with certain ROMs quite quickly and am changing constantly. I started off with Sense and then moved to Vanilla, have been back to Sense and then back again. I'm currently running Vanilla as like the look and feel of it. However I am thinking of going back to Sense, once I can find a good theme as I personally dislike the stock Rosie theme. That's the one thing that puts me off. That said the integration with Facebook and the widgets are a big plus. I know there are other apps and Launchers out there that can do similar things but not quite sure the integration is as good.
Another thing is that Sense UI was designed for the Hero and that means that with a good sense ROM all the hardware works as it should, meaning the LEDs (for notifications). I find these don't work with Vanilla ROMs as yet, although they're getting there.
If you want a change from Villain check out SenseHero. It looks great and is very fast and stable. The guy who created it is currently working on a newer version also.
God, that was long
I own a droid, and have already rooted it, running CM6, got it down pretty alright. So I'm not all that new to rooting. But my sister has a Droid Eris, and I was looking to root that for her. I plan on using the 1 click rooting app mentioned here, but I was wondering if anyone could recommend any ROMs and/or Kernels that I should use? She's not much of a power user, I'm mostly trying to speed it up for her and get rid of stock apps and such, so any help would be great. Thank you in advance
KaosFroyo
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Kaosfroyo is really great and the other two froyo roms on here I've read great things about them too I've just only used kaos and I highly recommend it
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Id suggest a frayo rom there's a few going around I personally recommend kaos frayo V32 very fast and stable, very great build. Its overclocked to 710 out of box.
my rom is pretty great also
You could also use mine, that is if you want a rom that is stock but with speed tweaks and themes.
I would also suggest one of the froyo roms. Tazz Cyanogen Froyo is really smooth and fast. Of course I think this would be a great rom for anyone.
I'd suggest running jcase's PlainJane rom and check out the new BFS kernel.
I just got a warranty replacement phone, rooted the old way and put PlainJane on there (I had been running PlainJaneT2 which just adds support for A2SD but that only complicates upgrading to froyo later) did a nandroid backup then flashed that BFS kernel and ran a linpack benchmark right after scoring near 2.5 without overclocking (PlainJane barebones absolute stock 2.1 with SuperUser and OC support)
I suggest PlainJane because it's simple, you can get moderate EXTREMELY stable performance gains, get rid of bloatware, run wifi tether and no one would be the wiser that the handset was rooted. Your sister can then confidently explore the app market, slowly get into changing some settings, try a new launcher and at some point then maybe she'd have some interest in froyo...
As great as the Eris Froyo roms are you should face the fact that they're all intended for moderately android savvy users or at least novices with aspirations to learn a LOT more on their own. Few users will ever root their phone to begin with, even fewer will go the distance learning command line for abd and the fact that you're rooting her ERIS is evidence enough imho that you should be putting the LEAST complicated MOST stock solution if you intend to do this for her.
If she walks into a verizon store with her phone she'll get no help, If she loses ANYTHING can't use something she wants to for any reason it'll be YOUR fault and she will VERY quickly forget the hours you spent tweeking her phone to squeeze out a couple more MFLOPS that she'll honestly never really use.
that's my take
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I'd suggest running jcase's PlainJane rom and check out the new BFS kernel.
I just got a warranty replacement phone, rooted the old way and put PlainJane on there (I had been running PlainJaneT2 which just adds support for A2SD but that only complicates upgrading to froyo later) did a nandroid backup then flashed that BFS kernel and ran a linpack benchmark right after scoring near 2.5 without overclocking (PlainJane barebones absolute stock 2.1 with SuperUser and OC support)
I suggest PlainJane because it's simple, you can get moderate EXTREMELY stable performance gains, get rid of bloatware, run wifi tether and no one would be the wiser that the handset was rooted. Your sister can then confidently explore the app market, slowly get into changing some settings, try a new launcher and at some point then maybe she'd have some interest in froyo...
As great as the Eris Froyo roms are you should face the fact that they're all intended for moderately android savvy users or at least novices with aspirations to learn a LOT more on their own. Few users will ever root their phone to begin with, even fewer will go the distance learning command line for abd and the fact that you're rooting her ERIS is evidence enough imho that you should be putting the LEAST complicated MOST stock solution if you intend to do this for her.
If she walks into a verizon store with her phone she'll get no help, If she loses ANYTHING can't use something she wants to for any reason it'll be YOUR fault and she will VERY quickly forget the hours you spent tweeking her phone to squeeze out a couple more MFLOPS that she'll honestly never really use.
that's my take
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That was my thinking as well. I've looked through the forums a bit, and I'm assuming you're talking about these:
(Just realized I can't post links, would it be any trouble for you to post links to the ROM and kernel threads you're talking about so I can verify?)
Just want to make sure we're on the same page?
Thanks to everyone for your speedy replies and help. I'm definitely looking into all these, see what might work best and try to explain to her what might work best for her.
I am running CELB and loving it. I had issues with kaosfroyo and forcecloses.
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Jcase Plain Jane 2.1 is a good stable ROM and agree with psilocybenine's comment.
Another good stable ROM to check into could be Sense-able 3.1. I play around and try out all the new roms that come out but this one is my everyday one for it stability. (plus I like the simple blue theme). Have not had any problems.
good luck
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Jcase Plain Jane 2.1 is a good stable ROM and agree with psilocybenine's comment.
Another good stable ROM to check into could be Sense-able 3.1. I play around and try out all the new roms that come out but this one is my everyday one for it stability. (plus I like the simple blue theme). Have not had any problems.
good luck
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KaosFroyo FTW
but this is out of its area next time try and post something like this in the q/a section
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Jcase Plain Jane 2.1 is a good stable ROM and agree with psilocybenine's comment.
Another good stable ROM to check into could be Sense-able 3.1. I play around and try out all the new roms that come out but this one is my everyday one for it stability. (plus I like the simple blue theme). Have not had any problems.
good luck
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Thank you! That seems perfect. Another quick question though, of those two (PlainJane and Sense-able) which is most like the standard Eris UI? I want my sister to have as little trouble as possible when using it
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KaosFroyo FTW
but this is out of its area next time try and post something like this in the q/a section
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My bad, sorry about that, I'll remember it next time thank you. As for the KaosFroyo is that one a fairly simple ROM? again, trying to think of my sister here and ease of use
All plain jane does is add oc capability a d superuser rights. Senseable has speed tweaks and apps2sd and some other tweaks. Both are sense based and are like stock with added root fun.
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IamFuzzles said:
Thank you! That seems perfect. Another quick question though, of those two (PlainJane and Sense-able) which is most like the standard Eris UI? I want my sister to have as little trouble as possible when using it
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If you want something as close to the standard Eris UI, then that might be Plain Jane. Sense-able has some bloatware removed and other features but not to far off once you get it set up. Just read the threads thoroughly. Sense-able has a couple of add -on fixes (updated the dialer and a text input fix).
Sens Based ROM all hands up for Plain Jane. Fast, stable and sense. I would highly reccomend it as far as sense based rom. As far as Froyo my choice definitely goes to nonsensikal =)
IamFuzzles said:
Thank you! That seems perfect. Another quick question though, of those two (PlainJane and Sense-able) which is most like the standard Eris UI? I want my sister to have as little trouble as possible when using it
My bad, sorry about that, I'll remember it next time thank you. As for the KaosFroyo is that one a fairly simple ROM? again, trying to think of my sister here and ease of use
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its AOSP(vanilla) and the others mentioned above are sense based, which is how the phone comes so if you want a stock feel i used plainjane but you might want to try them both out mabey one suits you better. as far as ease i think they are all pretty easy to get used to.
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its AOSP(vanilla) and the others mentioned above are sense based, which is how the phone comes so if you want a stock feel i used plainjane but you might want to try them both out mabey one suits you better. as far as ease i think they are all pretty easy to get used to.
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not all are sense based bro
As much as I love the Froyo roms, all of them have small flaws that a not-so-power-user would quickly get frustrated with. The camera issue is one of the most notable. She would have to take a picture, then close the camera and open the gallery to view it. If she tried to preview the picture from within the camera, her phone would lock and she would have to pull the battery. If she's cool with that, put her on a Froyo rom. They're all pretty great!
If she wants pure stability and only wants to download and use apps, put her on a 2.1 rom with Apps2SD. Sense UI eats up a lot of the Eris's speed so I would recommend one without it. Plus it's like getting a new phone when you swith from Sense to non Sense based rom. Conap's ELB is my personal favorite but some of the others mentioned in this thread are also pretty stable.
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I own a droid, and have already rooted it, running CM6, got it down pretty alright. So I'm not all that new to rooting. But my sister has a Droid Eris, and I was looking to root that for her. I plan on using the 1 click rooting app mentioned here, but I was wondering if anyone could recommend any ROMs and/or Kernels that I should use? She's not much of a power user, I'm mostly trying to speed it up for her and get rid of stock apps and such, so any help would be great. Thank you in advance
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Hey, my recommendation would be KaosFroyo; it's definitely smoooth sailing!
I posted an article just a couple days ago on my blog about rooting a Droid Eris if you want to check it out: http://jonsuh.com/2010/09/run-froyo-android-2-2-on-your-droid-eris-how-to/
Tried to condense all the steps all into one post. I hope it helps; lemme know how it goes
Hello, Fascinate fans. I am running the stock 2.2 verizon rom. I just rooted with SuperOneClick and am thinking about trying a custom rom. I use CM7 on my Nook Color and it works great, but I am not ready to try early builds of that for the Fascinate yet. I am looking for a rom that:
-has all hardware working
-is debinged
-is very stable
-has little to no bloatware (only verizon thing I need is 'My Verizon Mobile')
-is based on Froyo or newer
-is snappy, but not enough to kill the battery in half a day
-is easy to flash (I am not ready for flashing radios and such until I am comfortable flashing roms on this phone)
BONUS POINTS: Fixes or removes the GPS toggle in the notification area that rarely works. (This drove me crazy for a few weeks until I realized that the safe way to turn the GPS on is to use the normal settings screen!)
What do the experts recommend? I'm sure I will be flashing nightly within 6 months or so, but want to take it easy for now as I was addicted to flashing roms on my Touch Pro.
Thank you!
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Community rom 1.3. It pretty much meets all of your needs minus the gps thing. I don't think that can be modded yet.
I've been KANGBANGED!!!!!
Almost forgot. It's built from froyo source so the stock ed01 radio will do just fine. I also suggest activating voodoo on the kernal that it comes with. Hope this helps.
I've been KANGBANGED!!!!!
Keeping it mainstream you have two options. At least the most popular roms come down to two choices the community rom, or evil fascinate rom. Both great choices I'm sure that should meet your needs just fine. Personally I'm on com rom but have heard great things about evil. Seems to be some childishness forming a silly rivalry between the two, but I think there pretty similar to the average end user.
My personal preference is evil fascination. Can't really explain why other than I really dig the dark theming nitro integrated. There are other small differences, mostly aesthetic, so why not try them both? Both are great and supported regularly by great developers.
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i tried the com rom, and at the time, there was a problem with it auto-rotating even if i didnt want it to. i don't know if it has been fixed but that was one of the main reasons i switched to evil fascinate. ever since i switched to evil fascinate, everything worked perfectly for me and i loved the overall theme of it so i stuck with it. and now i love it, and i have no real desire to switch back to com rom.
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Keeping it mainstream you have two options. At least the most popular roms come down to two choices the community rom, or evil fascinate rom. Both great choices I'm sure that should meet your needs just fine. Personally I'm on com rom but have heard great things about evil. Seems to be some childishness forming a silly rivalry between the two, but I think there pretty similar to the average end user.
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I haven't read any competitive banter from the devs themselves (except for Nitsuj expressing his preference for ComROM, but even then he didn't knock Evil Fascination). It's mostly the fanboys going back and forth. Actually, the two are very similar and I like them both
Another Fascinating post by my XDA app...
Thanks for the suggestions guys! I'll try Community Rom first. I'm sure I can find some guides on how to flash once I have time to search. I have Clockwork Mod installed, so that's probably half the battle.
I still like the blackhole fascinate
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Right now I'm running Supra 1.5, but I see there's a metric crapton of roms available. Any suggestions on what roms are particularly fast, or ones that have great eye candy? Full support for hardware (WiMAX, 3D camera/screen, etc) is necessary - although I'm not sure if there are any roms out there that have that support limitation.
I've looked over the ROM list, but I haven't found a really good comparison of features, or what sets each ROM apart from the others.
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Right now I'm running Supra 1.5, but I see there's a metric crapton of roms available. Any suggestions on what roms are particularly fast, or ones that have great eye candy? Full support for hardware (WiMAX, 3D camera/screen, etc) is necessary - although I'm not sure if there are any roms out there that have that support limitation.
I've looked over the ROM list, but I haven't found a really good comparison of features, or what sets each ROM apart from the others.
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i think all current ROMs (especially based off stock sense) will support WiMAX and 3D camera/screen. as the aosp roms start to be released though, there *might* be gaps with 3d camera and wimax support as those aren't open sourced in aosp.
accurate comparison lists are generally hard to find and once they're created, hard to maintain. each rom developer kind of follows their own patch and posts up whatever information they determine relevant. there really is not set list of categories or features they all agree on.
if anybody does create this type of list, i'm sure there is demand for it. the rom scene has been kind of disparate. rom manager is one of the few centralized location to find roms with some kind of congregated feedback/comment system.
the general advice given, and sometimes the best, is to try them all out yourself. being able to create a nandroid does make it easier to switch back and forth between ROMs. i personally run all stock with root, busybox and some linux dev binaries for experimenting.
most of the ROMs give a pretty decent description of their ROM in their OP including features and enhancements they have made. almost most post screenshots in their thread and you can glance thru their posts to get a general feel for feedback.
sorry there isnt a great answer and i have yet to see a guide which provides a full ROM feature comparison list. none the less, hope my opinion and feedback helps point in the right direction!
This is an awesome, basic, pertinent information filled, troll-free reply that should be copied and pasted for any other threads that start up with the same question. Kudos to you.
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i think all current ROMs (especially based off stock sense) will support WiMAX and 3D camera/screen. as the aosp roms start to be released though, there *might* be gaps with 3d camera and wimax support as those aren't open sourced in aosp.
accurate comparison lists are generally hard to find and once they're created, hard to maintain. each rom developer kind of follows their own patch and posts up whatever information they determine relevant. there really is not set list of categories or features they all agree on.
if anybody does create this type of list, i'm sure there is demand for it. the rom scene has been kind of disparate. rom manager is one of the few centralized location to find roms with some kind of congregated feedback/comment system.
the general advice given, and sometimes the best, is to try them all out yourself. being able to create a nandroid does make it easier to switch back and forth between ROMs. i personally run all stock with root, busybox and some linux dev binaries for experimenting.
most of the ROMs give a pretty decent description of their ROM in their OP including features and enhancements they have made. almost most post screenshots in their thread and you can glance thru their posts to get a general feel for feedback.
sorry there isnt a great answer and i have yet to see a guide which provides a full ROM feature comparison list. none the less, hope my opinion and feedback helps point in the right direction!
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stick with the stock Sense 3.0 ROM...overclock it (2.3.3 only atm) if you want the extra power
Stick with mine!
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Stick with mine!
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Seconded
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I'm running viper ROM 1.3 with silverneedle kernel and honeycomb sense 3.0 theme. Runs fast and looks really nice.
I personally think the Viper rom is one of the best... Completely opinion though. I say just check them out and see which ones you like the best. I also like BloodyBeast. I personally used to love AOSP but that was when I had an atrix with motoblur. I really do like sense.
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3rded!
Supra ROM is a GREAT ROM. It is a great blend of ASOP and Sense and it also had good performance.
Other Roms I like include:
Viper ROM: Great ROM but hasnt been updated in a while
SteelROM: I just like it...
Synergy: Love it other than the fact native hotspot isnt working, also SVN is epic.
Synergy.
Free Dirk!!!
In my honest and humble opinion,
Best sense ROMs: Viper and of course Supra
Best non-sense: SenselessROM 2.1 (my favorite), EVO-nonsense.
They are all good and fully functional unless stated otherwise.
Viper with no lights kernel -- viper is super stable and works great for me. No lights is perfect because I know where all the soft buttons are and now when docked at night or watching a movie I don't have super bright lights across the bottom of the phone.
XRON Rom has everything working and no issues. They have a really good team of devs that respond to your concerns regularly.
I liked Viper 1.3 stable at 1.7
Had troubles with Synergy.. force closes and invisible notification bars. Has to do with the new version being for the GB version with unreleased kernel source. No OC
Ran Bloody Final for a long time. Stable at 1.8
On Supra 1.5 now. Please remove TitaniumBackup from the rom!
Edit: with over 600 views, it is sad we only have 20 votes! Vote and let others see who is using what, and what the demand is!
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Development for the vibrant right now seems to be directed by the devs, but in the real world supply and demand is an important concept. Are devs focusing on the builds that are in most demand, or are users using what the devs are building because it is all that is being worked on?
I have a feeling that a comparable amount of people use some sort of custom Froyo and are not willing to go to gingerbread as there are who are continuously using gingerbread. If this is the case then perhaps the devs can use that feedback in some way. In any case it should give us an idea of the current condition of supply and demand.
The idea here is to give feedback to devs that show them that their work is being appreciated, or what they could do that may be the most appreciated. The poll is basic, posts are welcome if they contain useful feedback.
Sorry if this seems erroneous, but even if one developer(or fellow user) finds this to be remotely useful/interesting then it is worthwhile.
I myself am going to use froyo based roms until gingerbread roms are more overall stable and functional, however I almost feel forced to use gingerbread roms since they are primarily what is still being maintained or upgraded. I want the newest features, functions, and tweaks, and since froyo seems to have been nearly forgotten I am not sure what to do. Ultimately this makes me want a new phone that doesn't have this issue.
Froyo, same reasons as you said.
Gingerbread it's way nicer imo haha.
Froyo.
Ginger just doesn't feel complete yet.
Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Gingerbread... CM7, Trigger and MIUI. They seem to play nicest with my phone
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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Thats all there is AOSP wise...not sure what your trying to imply or your saying TW GB ROM's don't work that well for you...Malice ran great for me, but I'm back in school and need my batter :/
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I'm in college, so over the summer when I didn't have much going on and a charger was always nearby, trying different ginger-roms was fine. Now that I am on campus for extended periods without a charger, I cannot use a rom that will kill more than half my battery in 6-8 hours. If everything worked right, maybe.. but considering an entire summer not being able to get something as simple as GPS working, I would not trade it MUCH improved battery life for less than normal functionality.
I was considering getting a hercules(intl version has many hardware improvements and superior battery with gingerbread), but since it will probably have similar problems(manufacturer wise, no source, mostly forgotten after launch) as the vibrant I would rather go with the prime. But if the prime doesn't go t-mobile than that isn't an option. Which leaves me with hoping that the gingerbread source comes out(for devs to work with), or the devs will make leaps with the ginger code, or that at least a few might work on froyo code..
With so many tweaks and custom apps(like hacked camera) that have come out since most froyo roms fell into neglect, I really want one or the other. If the prime comes out and I can get a tmo version, great.. otherwise I just feel screwed/forgotten.
I feel like the only updated froyo roms are being worked on by devs that don't really have it going on yet, and they only use froyo as a stepping stone.. I wish there were a thread in development section that explained to ALL devs what needs to go into every rom as a minimum(or what tweaks work with which roms, etc).
I won't switch off tmobile, I don't like them as a company, but no other is ACTUALLY better, but they all charge far more. Every situation seems lose/lose the more I think about it.
Bump because I think the results are interesting so far.
Im on gb because the speed boost was just so astronomical... particularly cm7... id appreciate dev on vibrantmtd more than others but i think that the best dev community is one where there is variety so:
Ideally, id perfer to see eclair, froyo, gb and honeycomb roms, as well as wp7 and ubuntu and ios lol. This is my dream.
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I'm also on froyo for the same basic reasons already said. I would love to see the different build prop tweaks, supercharger scripts, gps tweaks, and other customizations built into them as a standard. OnlyToxic8, Dmz nightly and zendroid are the only roms with those tweaks baked into them. I'd love more options.
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9 people either stock or froyo, 1 who is proud of him cm7. I read a ton of posts about how people have cm7 and are totally happy, so it looks like they need to do some voting
We need more people to participate to get a better overall look at the statistics.. several hundred people looked at the thread, but few votes? It only takes 2 clicks to vote..
Bump
Im loving MIUI revamped nick and t. Hill are great in both the rom they provide and support can't be beat.
Stock deodexed and rooted KB5.
I've given up on Vibrant.
I'm getting a new phone. Seriously thinking about iPhone 5. I know, I know.
But I just want a phone that works, and Vibrant has been my 3rd Android phone with problems, constant freezing, and other random issues. Vibrant was probably my worst tech purchase ever. Can't wait to get rid of this crap.
I want the Nexus Prime, but the problem is that it is manufactured by Samsung, and I swore to myself I wouldn't purchase another Samsung product. Then again it's guaranteed to get Google updates. Ahhhh I don't know.
I'm also ditching T-Mobile most likely. I have a feeling they have a hand in Samsung never releasing/leaking Gingerbread on Vibrant.
If we had Gingerbread leaked, the phone would be good probably for another 6 months-1yr.
I just flashed my first Gingerbread ROM (Asgard) and I have to say I prefer Gingerbread.
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Miui revamped by nick and Tory is amazing and they are extremely active in their forum IMO Miui runs much better on my phone than any custom froyo ROM
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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miui, the customization and tweaking abilities topped with weekly updates and wip gps meet all my requirements quick reboot (10 seconds) means my wip gps is up and going in no time
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What's "wip gps?"
I'm on a gingerbread rom on my vibrant now. They have definately become stable enough in my opinion. I am running Biff mod which even does not need to be reset to stock or loaded with GB bootloaders making it even easier now. I think the battery offput on GB roms is still there and feels lacking in my opinion but its worth the upgrade in my opinion. Currently on 2.3.5 and wouldn't go back to froyo now.
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What's "wip gps?"
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work in progress
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so 70% stock/froyo and 30% using gb/happy with it.. but the numbers are too small to be a good sample of the population.
Bump because we need more votes for accuracy!