Guy!! Finally they have released the unlocker officially...http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/..but Flyer is not yet supported I guess..
They're never gonna unlock the Flyer.. it was for Sensation and Evo 3D only.
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They're never gonna unlock the Flyer.. it was for Sensation and Evo 3D only.
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Do you enjoy spreading misinformation? How can you say something so matter of fact, when clearly you just don't know.
This unlocker is currently for Sensation and Evo 3D, however HTC has said this will become available for every device in the future, and I believe devices that were released recently.
The thing is this voids your warranty. I'd rather use unrevoked and not void my warranty.
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Do you enjoy spreading misinformation? How can you say something so matter of fact, when clearly you just don't know.
This unlocker is currently for Sensation and Evo 3D, however HTC has said this will become available for every device in the future, and I believe devices that were released recently.
The thing is this voids your warranty. I'd rather use unrevoked and not void my warranty.
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Yeah it really is in HTC's best interest to unlock bootloaders for the devices that have been successfully rooted. If they do more people will probably try and use their method and then they will have a running tab on who unlocked. Plus with the naive people using HTC unlock they will have an out on fixing devices you messed up yourself.
tErbo b00st said:
Do you enjoy spreading misinformation? How can you say something so matter of fact, when clearly you just don't know.
This unlocker is currently for Sensation and Evo 3D, however HTC has said this will become available for every device in the future, and I believe devices that were released recently.
The thing is this voids your warranty. I'd rather use unrevoked and not void my warranty.
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My mistake. I don't know for sure, but they never announced they were going to unlock the Flyer. And how is it spreading mis information? Both of us don't know.
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Are you HTC? I see you post answers to that which you don't know. Fail
Hopefully this trickles out to more devices soon, although I prefer that they not know that the bootloader is unlocked as it is possible to go back to s-on and retain your warranty.
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Dear Adam,
I know how important it is to have the bootloader unlocked on the EVO 3D. Thank you for registering your feedback in regards to HTC’s latest statement on bootloader policy. While the statement notes that locked bootloaders will not be occurring on future devices, the official policy is still being reviewed as it pertains to existing devices. The EVO 3D was already far into production process when this statement was released.
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Dear Adam,
I know how important it is to have the bootloader unlocked on the EVO 3D. Thank you for registering your feedback in regards to HTC’s latest statement on bootloader policy. While the statement notes that locked bootloaders will not be occurring on future devices, the official policy is still being reviewed as it pertains to existing devices. The EVO 3D was already far into production process when this statement was released.
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Everyone already knew this. I was to deduce this as well. The question, WHEN/IF HTC releases an OTA to unlock the BL.
Who cares, HTC doesn't have ONE SINGLE employee working for the "Love of the game" XDA has all the talent!
We'll get it, while they're all sniffing eachothers asses, counting their money. XDA users will be flashing custom ROMs and Recoverys
Hopeless Talantless C-s'ers
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Well that's good. But wouldn't a locked down bootloader pose many risks? I guess I'll just wait and see. I wish I can sync my wiimote to my phone.
How is this even hopeless? You do realize the statement was made after production started on EVO3d...you also understand a patch can easily reverse this...at ANY point in time???
The only thing hopeless is how you feel, not, exactly how HTC feels about unlocking the bootloader of the EVO 3d.
Just take a wait and see approach. The announcement was just that, the announcement. YMMV but in any case, it's not the end of the EVO3d's story.
There has been no evidence that HTC plans to ever unlock the EVO 3D bootloader. Our money is already in their pocket. They mentioned they would not lock future devices but people have already bought the EVO 3D. I just see them keep with these generic statements.
People act like they care so much but people have stopped posting on their facebook, they have stopped with the petitions, etc... If people decided to continue pestering them about this issue like when it was first announced that the bootloader was locked, HTC would actually listen. People stopped caring about this issue and HTC can see it.
Ok After reading about alot of the issues folks are having with the new HTC Unlock. I thought id share some info I received about it from a pretty knowledgeable friend of mine that is a Sprint Tech. So I Was in my local Sprint store today talking to my buddy. I brought this up about the HTC unlocked boot loader. (BTW he is unlocked with Revolution method as am I and we were sharing info on fun stuff with our favorite ROM's) But he told me that the Unlocked boot loader is NOT fully functional yet. (key word being yet) and this isnt for the HTC EVO 3D as It is for the Sensation only and the full unlock for the Evo has yet to be released. He said everyone has to wait till the full release comes out and This would be why so much trouble is being had with it right now.
He also told me that Sprint some time back knew that many new phones would be coming unlocked so. Sprint changed their policy on Rooted phones and their service of them.
And seeing that this is not been announced as a official release for the HTC EVO 3d I would lean more to believe what he says is true. At least this is what he has been told Via HTC and Sprint. Knowing him as I do I would believe it. All we can do I think is wait. Hopefully people that have been using this method havent done anything bad to their phone.. I doubt it. But like I said we will see.
Just an FYI and passing on what I heard......
It was official. What new policy?
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What do you mean it is not an official release? Why would HTC turn on the Evo 3G link on the unlock website if it wasn't official? Why does the HTC site say that this is only applicable to OTA 2.08.651.2 if it wasn't an official version?
Granted this is the first carrier branded phone to get the HTC unlock treatment so maybe there are some issues to work through and there may be another update forth coming. Only time will tell if your source is correct.
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It was official. What new policy?
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All I know is what he said his contacts at HTC/Sprint have told him.. That this is not a full release yet..
it looks to me as if everyone has issues with it working correctly. No S-off with it. Unable to get nandroid unlocked fully, issues with custom recovery like TWRP and newer versions of CW working.. So.. We will see. This is all I know. For me. Ive got mine allready done and working through Rev.
Never said new policy.. Just when Sprint changed their policy of servicing/repair of rooted phones. It used to be if you brought in a rooted device to them it was like the world ended for it. BUT now they dont have any issues with it.
This is awesome info thanks!
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All I know is what he said his contacts at HTC/Sprint have told him.. That this is not a full release yet..
it looks to me as if everyone has issues with it working correctly. No S-off with it. Unable to get nandroid unlocked fully, issues with custom recovery like TWRP and newer versions of CW working.. So.. We will see. This is all I know. For me. Ive got mine allready done and working through Rev.
Never said new policy.. Just when Sprint changed their policy of servicing/repair of rooted phones. It used to be if you brought in a rooted device to them it was like the world ended for it. BUT now they dont have any issues with it.
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...I don't buy it. why would HTC release "half" a working unlocker that could potentially cause more harm than a full unlock.
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...I don't buy it. why would HTC release "half" a working unlocker that could potentially cause more harm than a full unlock.
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They could consider it throwing the community a bone, whilst they're figuring out if their ass is properly covered on the liability front.
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They could consider it throwing the community a bone, whilst they're figuring out if their ass is properly covered on the liability front.
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Hmm... yeah, that's possible. anyone check the Sensation forums to see if there unlock is full or not?
I guess this wouldn't give too much strength to the argument as Tmobiles stance on unlocking may be different than Sprints.
Interesting. Do you have any more information regarding the policy changes?
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Interesting. Do you have any more information regarding the policy changes?
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I know of some others here on the forums that have posted Sprints approach to Rooted phones. I will see what I can find and repost it for you.
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Hmm... yeah, that's possible. anyone check the Sensation forums to see if there unlock is full or not?
I guess this wouldn't give too much strength to the argument as Tmobiles stance on unlocking may be different than Sprints.
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So here is the deal of what im being told.. And its possible the info on the Sensation forum says some of the same..
But What I was told by my buddy was that the current Unlock is for EU models or the Sensation and the Evo 3d. That any American models of the unlock have not been full release. Again.. This is what im hearing But I just checked on the Sensation form here and in their discussion this issue is brought up by more then 1 person
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16676072&postcount=14
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16733285&postcount=59
This could be a possibillity as an issue.. BUT I guess all we can do is stay tuned and see what happens.
Personally. I dont care if its a warranty issue or not.. If you play you pay.. Ive got no issues using the HTC version IF and ONLY IF its supported and real deal along with usable with things like TWRP and Nandroid is full unlock with S-off. Really HTC needs to jump forward and meet head on with the Dev/open source world and work with them not against them.
For now im full root S-off and until I see that HTC comes 100% on their end of stuff I will not use it.. if they come through Im game.
Im really on the verge of jumping ship to another phone say sensation or the sensation xe ,the reason is not that I don't like this evo 3d gsm,but there hasn't been an s-off or as much roms as the cdma version....I must admit I love this phone ,but without root and yes I ain't gonna do a HTC method (not willing to loose warrenty.),I can't enjoy to It's full potential.... So please fellow xda members,tell me what are the chances of the gsm evo 3d gonna get s- off ? If so will the gsm have as much roms as the cdma? Please give me Ur input whether I should jump ship or pray and wait ? But I really need cold hard facts or probability if i were to stay as the same ...
Thx in advance for your inputs...
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Im really on the verge of jumping ship to another phone say sensation or the sensation xe ,the reason is not that I don't like this evo 3d gsm,but there hasn't been an s-off or as much roms as the cdma version....I must admit I love this phone ,but without root and yes I ain't gonna do a HTC method (not willing to loose warrenty.),I can't enjoy to It's full potential.... So please fellow xda members,tell me what are the chances of the gsm evo 3d gonna get s- off ? If so will the gsm have as much roms as the cdma? Please give me Ur input whether I should jump ship or pray and wait ? But I really need cold hard facts or probability if i were to stay as the same ...
Thx in advance for your inputs...
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Wouldn't hold your breathe on alpharevex/unrevoked releasing s-off in place of the htc unlock method. I do associate with alpharevx/unrevoked on occasion and they are all very skilled and knowledgable.
Reasons why I don't see them releasing an s-off method to overwrite htc's unlock method:
1) HTC patched previously used exploits in their latest software version rending previously used exploits, at least for initial root access, useless
2) Requires a great deal of time and energy to exploit, reverse engineer, package together and release a new method of unlocking the device.
3) The differences between s-off and htc unlock s-on are minor. No kernel write access in standard recovery mode.
Alpharevx/unrevoked also collect your serial number and do have the ability to send this information to HTC, if they so chose. Never heard anything about them actually doing this, I'm just pointing out the obvious, both groups collect serial numbers.
4) Unrevoked was passionate their main goal was for all devices to grant the user root access if the user so wants. HTC has essentially accomplished this for this device, EVO 3D. Sure, the method is not 100% perfect, but is is incredibly better than their previously held position against.
Regarding the unlocking methods, how does the sensation differ? I'm not as familar with this device. Although the user base does seem to be quite large and their development community is not burdended with the extra 3D closed source proprietary software which has plagued the 3D community.
Hope that helps provide some information.
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Wouldn't hold your breathe on alpharevex/unrevoked releasing s-off in place of the htc unlock method. I do associate with alpharevx/unrevoked on occasion and they are all very skilled and knowledgable.
Reasons why I don't see them releasing an s-off method to overwrite htc's unlock method:
1) HTC patched previously used exploits in their latest software version rending previously used exploits, at least for initial root access, useless
2) Requires a great deal of time and energy to exploit, reverse engineer, package together and release a new method of unlocking the device.
3) The differences between s-off and htc unlock s-on are minor. No kernel write access in standard recovery mode.
Alpharevx/unrevoked also collect your serial number and do have the ability to send this information to HTC, if they so chose. Never heard anything about them actually doing this, I'm just pointing out the obvious, both groups collect serial numbers.
4) Unrevoked was passionate their main goal was for all devices to grant the user root access if the user so wants. HTC has essentially accomplished this for this device, EVO 3D. Sure, the method is not 100% perfect, but is is incredibly better than their previously held position against.
Regarding the unlocking methods, how does the sensation differ? I'm not as familar with this device. Although the user base does seem to be quite large and their development community is not burdended with the extra 3D closed source proprietary software which has plagued the 3D community.
Hope that helps provide some information.
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Hey ,those facts you stated really has given me a lot of information ...
As to your last question ,the reason I rather go with the sensation is that it has s-off and likewise u said ,a large community thus more Rom development..
Now I need to decide whether to stay as a gsm evo 3s owner or jump ships ...
So if i were to stay ,is it better to wait for the ICS update by HTC then unlock the bootloader or ..might as well do it Asap??as far as i know ,HTC method voids the warrenty..
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Hey ,those facts you stated really has given me a lot of information ...
As to your last question ,the reason I rather go with the sensation is that it has s-off and likewise u said ,a large community thus more Rom development..
Now I need to decide whether to stay as a gsm evo 3s owner or jump ships ...
So if i were to stay ,is it better to wait for the ICS update by HTC then unlock the bootloader or ..might as well do it Asap??as far as i know ,HTC method voids the warrenty..
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using XDA Premium App
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Technically all methods void the warranty, but only the HTC method is trackable by HTC and leaves either *UNLOCKED* or *RELOCKED* at the top of the bootloader.
Not sure whether or not carriers are able to track the HTC method or how informed/update to date they are. Decision for warranty work with the carrier at their service center is probably left up to the carrier.
Personally speaking, I've never had any hardware issues where I've had to have the device repaired. Returning the device to the carrier or manufacturer has never been an issue for me, although I do try and take extra care of my devices.
HTC announced official ICS updates for the EVO 3D in early 2012 according to the tweet which linked to a fb post on their fb page a week or so ago.
Hope that helps!
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Technically all methods void the warranty, but only the HTC method is trackable by HTC and leaves either *UNLOCKED* or *RELOCKED* at the top of the bootloader.
Not sure whether or not carriers are able to track the HTC method or how informed/update to date they are. Decision for warranty work with the carrier at their service center is probably left up to the carrier.
Personally speaking, I've never had any hardware issues where I've had to have the device repaired. Returning the device to the carrier or manufacturer has never been an issue for me, although I do try and take extra care of my devices.
HTC announced official ICS updates for the EVO 3D in early 2012 according to the tweet which linked to a fb post on their fb page a week or so ago.
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As far as I can remember,when I was using a HTC incredible s I got it hanged on the HTC logo ,tried every way to unbrick it ..So I decided to send to HTC for repair ,(note :I had it rooted and with revolutionary s-off),the HTC staff said it was still on warrenty...so after 3days or so ,I received my Inc s with a report saying ,"Engineer replaced the main board " Free of charge because of warrenty...and I believe that changing a main board will cost a lot $$? Am I right ?..the point is I was pretty much surprised by the fact that the device was repaired for free even though is s-off ...
So now Im in a dillema ,not sure to wait for s-off for the evo 3d gsm...I am worried if i were to brick it unintentionally,maybe I might get it repaired FOC...on another hand,going the HTC method will definatly void the warrenty cause there is a record...So ...I really don't know ...
Thx for your tips...
I hope this thread might help others in the same situation as me ..
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but its gotta be asked... is anyone working on s-off for the rezound or is that a thing of the past? just haven't seen anything posted on it for about a week now.
its dumb but i'm glad you asked it because I was wondering the same thing. I'm a fan of the "old" method. I wish it could be found for s-off without htcdev
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its dumb but i'm glad you asked it because I was wondering the same thing. I'm a fan of the "old" method. I wish it could be found for s-off without htcdev
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HTC keeps a watch of people trying to get s-off on their devices on the internet, so the devs try not to make anything they do very public since they don't want to risk HTC plugging whatever holes they find.
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HTC keeps a watch of people trying to get s-off on their devices on the internet, so the devs try not to make anything they do very public since they don't want to risk HTC plugging whatever holes they find.
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Makes perfect sense actually. But it does seem htc did well locking this beast up. Kind of annoying actually. Ha
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I don't think anyone is actively working on it anymore, most devs don't care about voiding their warranty.
I don't blame htc or any other manufacturer trying to lock down the phones. How many phones do you think have been exchanged because some noob bricked their phone???
Well we can do anything besides flash a radio right now. There might be people working on s-off, but hell atleast we have an unlocked bootloader. Unlike Moto cough cough cough.
I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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From what I have read, HTC says that even if you use their tool it voids the warranty. So good luck finding any way to not do that. I will just use my TEP if needed to get it swapped.
Will
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
sent from 2yr old Evo on ICS
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
sent from 2yr old Evo on ICS
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Exactly.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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Yea, which means you "unvoid" your warranty for lack of a better word.
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I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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Sweet, thanks! I just wish he would do it first so I can make sure my device won't brick lol.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Haven't tried it. I use the official HTC one. But I will say this:
If you're worried about voiding a warranty, you shouldn't be mucking about with things you need an unlocked bootloader for. My 2 cents.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Not really a douche thing to say. He's got a point: If you're worried about voiding your warranty (which all unlock methods technically do, whether you can 'unvoid' them or not) then you shouldn't worry about rooting. Every time you do an unlock, or mess with a ROM or firmware (especially firmware, radios and such) you chance bricking your device permanently. The warranty isn't designed to cover users wrecking their own phones. It's designed to cover hardware faults in the unit, or a bad firmware OTA from the carrier. It doesn't cover it if you run over it with the car (TEP does, but TEP also doesn't care about warranties because they have a deductible anyhow), or drop it in the toilet. Bricking or frying a phone because of a bad flash, or just not knowing what you're doing isn't covered by warranty (nor should it be). Just because you can wreck your device and get it replaced because they can't tell you've done things the phone isn't necessarily specced for doesn't mean it's 'right'...just that it's possible.
Now having said all that, I'd definitely try and use my warranty if I borked my phone. If not I'd spend the money on the deductible. I'm just saying that ethically it's wrong.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
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I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
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If it is a flag, it's probably somewhere in the Bootloader partition, which, once S-Off, you can completely replace within the OS using ADB. An S-Off reversion would probably get rid of the flag, but we won't know until we get it!
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
sent from 2yr old Evo on ICS
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I'm thinking of going with SquareTrade. I doubt they will check for unlocked bootloaders...
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I have to agree with you scottspa.... I know he doesn't know that I'm an informed Android and XDA user but it seems like he talks to everyone like kids that don't know any better on AndroidCentral.com, but it seems to me that WE'RE MORE informed then that jerk. Also seems to me that he doesn't care much. Of course not. Why would he? I'm sure he's swimming in phones.
BTW, I did make note of the HTC One X issues and actually called him out on it.
Check out my latest post (which he hasn't responded to yet, of course.)