Just wondering if anybody could populate a list of kernels that would work with this radio and rom that was just released. Currently on the stock kernel that comes with the Tbolt fresh out of the box, couldn't find any other threads (including the OP which this new stuff was released on) that listed specific kernels that were compatible. Thanks in advance for the help!
Sidenote: If the compatible kernels listed had links next to them providing the details and benefits/differences between each would also be helpful in my choosing one, thank you.
One last thing (sorry I'm a noob lol), is there any specific order required between the flashing of radios/roms/kernels? Like: Flash new Radio first, then Rom, then Kernel. Or are they pretty interchangeable as long as they are compatible? Again, thank you for your help.
Someone more experienced just informed me that all new Roms come with kernels in them! LOL I am such a nooblet sorry for the post. However, it would be nice to know which kernels are compatible in case someone wanted to switch kernels but use that Rom still.
All kernels for Sense will work... if you can, find the ones using anykernel updater so my RAMdisk stays intact.
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I'm not really sure I understand and maybe someone can help me to, but the appeal of CWM to me was the ability to flash a ROM without needing a PC. However, most of the ROM's in the dev section say that a kernel flash is required and the utility requires a PC. The appeal of being able to flash a new ROM at any time is lost since I need to wait until I'm at home with my PC. If a kernel flash at the PC is required for most ROM's then why CWM at that point?
I'm realizing as I write this that the answer is likely that it's easier for a noob than adb. I still ask the question in the event there is something else I'm missing.
Also, before I get 30 hypersensitive replies about not appreciating the devs work and I should dev something myself if I don't like it please know that this is not intended to criticize the work of the devs. I'd just like to know if there is something I'm missing or maybe that I'm misunderstanding that a kernel flash is required when I read the releases.
BialyMurzyn said:
I'm not really sure I understand and maybe someone can help me to, but the appeal of CWM to me was the ability to flash a ROM without needing a PC. However, most of the ROM's in the dev section say that a kernel flash is required and the utility requires a PC. The appeal of being able to flash a new ROM at any time is lost since I need to wait until I'm at home with my PC. If a kernel flash at the PC is required for most ROM's then why CWM at that point?
I'm realizing as I write this that the answer is likely that it's easier for a noob than adb. I still ask the question in the event there is something else I'm missing.
Also, before I get 30 hypersensitive replies about not appreciating the devs work and I should dev something myself if I don't like it please know that this is not intended to criticize the work of the devs. I'd just like to know if there is something I'm missing or maybe that I'm misunderstanding that a kernel flash is required when I read the releases.
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Yes! You missed this thread
All the latest roms are using Faux kernel anyways, Flash once, and then you can use CWM to flash any multiple roms you want
The ONLY time you NEED to flash a seperate kernel is when going to a totally different build. Examples:
Sense 3.0 to Sense 3.5
Sense 3.5 to Sense 3.0
ICS to Sense 3.0
ICS to Sense 3.5
Sense 3.0 to ICS
ICS to Sense 3.5
...etc
Other than that the kernel that you use is still pretty much stock.
rbaruch said:
All the latest roms are using Faux kernel anyways, Flash once, and then you can use CWM to flash any multiple roms you want
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This is true, but each successive release says that a kernel update is needed. I am assuming that this includes not only those freshly flashing the ROM, but also those flashing from a ROM's previous version. Are they incompatible from version to version? Basically, if I'm bored while out and wanted to flash a ROM then flash the kernel later are there risks?
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Yes! You missed this thread
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This looks great! Since T-Mobile just throttled my data for the remainder of my billing cycle I will have to follow the thread and then give it a try later when I have WiFi. Thanks for the link.
Thanks Binary. That makes sense. No pun intended. So then the boot.img a dev includes with the packaged ROM is more or less a suggested kernel to best optimize their ROM and not that there are features of a ROM that will not work?
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Thanks Binary. That makes sense. No pun intended. So then the boot.img a dev includes with the packaged ROM is more or less a suggested kernel to best optimize their ROM and not that there are features of a ROM that will not work?
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That depends on the kernel that the developer includes.
If it's a faux edition then there are a few tweaks however it's still stock.
All features should be accessable in the rom as long as you are using an unsecured kernel.
So, after reading through all of the Noob threads and such, I'm lost. There seems to be contradictory information, I'm not sure which phone mine even is (kidding, I know its a SGH-i777) or how to get anything started.
I just came from an ATT Motorola Atrix 2, and I was fairly familiar with that. I had it rooted and running a custom ROM. It seems to me however, that there is a LOT more going on for this phone than the A2.
There's things I don't understand. I know about ClockWorkMod backups, installing .zip's, restoring from backups, rooting (using Super1Click) on my A2.
What is/are ODIN? Modems?
How many of the ROMs are actually ICS?
and is CM9 a nightly or a daily (currently) ?
And I sincerely apologize. I am fully expecting and knowlegdgeable about the 'search bar', FAQs, etc that are going to come my way.
If anyone has a few simple answers, that would be greatly appreciated.
I'll lend a hand.
Well, firstly, I hope you know that the only way to get CWM on our phone is to install a custom kernel (can't update CWM on it's own either, the only way to change what version of CWM you have is to install an updated or different custom kernel).
Odin is a PC program built by Samsung for flashing proprietary roms. We've just adapted its use for flashing custom roms too, though only for flashing stock rooted ROMs without bootloaders (usually includes kernels). Heimdall is the equivalent program that also runs on Mac/Linux.
Modems are CWM-flashable zips that change the baseband, deals with signal strength and cellular data speeds (does not affect wifi speeds).
Most of the first page of the Original Android Development section are custom ICS roms: ShoStock2, Phone Bricker, CM, AOKP, Foxhound, etc just to name a few. I have no idea if CM is daily, I don't use it.
The links in the sticky by Red5 at the top of this (and every I777) forum will get you started, especially creepyncrawly's guide.
Hit thanks please! And good luck
EDIT: I felt compelled to add this. I don't know how flashing works on an Atrix, but for I777 NEVER FLASH THE BOOTLOADERS (unless you absolutely have to in order to get back to stock, and you know full well what you're doing). That's the one way to risk hardbricking your new phone.
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and is CM9 a nightly or a daily (currently) ?
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hehe, got a kick outta this question. What would be the difference? the time of release?
Nightly's are just an automatically compiled ROM. Normally one a day.
There is no CM9 stable for our device yet......and anyways AOKP is better
karate has covered pretty well.
To add to his response to your question about ICS ROM.
Chris made this great thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532368
About CM9 nightly, AFAIK, they compile/build/ and upload during night time (to 2am or 4am). That's why it gets that name.
And basically all of this could have been found using the almighty Google. But you already have your answer from some if the nicer people on the forum.
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Its probably a noob question but i really need an answer. Ive seen in many roms the based on cm7 or something else. When telling that a rom is based on something, do we mean that the rom will just have the graphics of the cm7 in my example, kernel parts or what? I hope my question was clear enough.
When a Rom is based on say another Rom such as cm7, or when its based on an HTC ruu for example, it means that the dev has constructed his Rom using another Rom/firmware. It is usually the same kernel, and the possibilities of how the Rom is similar to the base is different depending on what the developer wants with his Rom.
I'll give you a clear example. A MIUI Rom requires an aosp base.
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Its probably a noob question but i really need an answer. Ive seen in many roms the based on cm7 or something else. When telling that a rom is based on something, do we mean that the rom will just have the graphics of the cm7 in my example, kernel parts or what? I hope my question was clear enough.
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What it usually means is, someone took CM7 (or whatever rom) and pushed and pulled files to make it their own. And then shares what he has done with the community. More often than not, it is CM7 with custom tweaks, new launcher, couple apps, scripts baked in. In my HUMBLE opinion these aren't consider ROM's to me. They are simply modified versions of someone else's ROM's.
Yet there are still people who take ROM's and completely rewrite them. Those would be based originally off other ROM's but actually made a totally different ROM.
Everything cleared out in my head, thanks
Hi Everyone! As a part of the usual process when I'm flashing a new phone, I start reading the forum to see what I can and cannot do. Believe it or not, this is the first android device that I own, every other phones weren't just mine. Now, I have two simple questions:
I've flashed some other phones, but in those I've never had to deal with modems or basebands (except from the nightmare called iPhone ), I wanted to know, the roms come with their own Basebands and Kernels or I have to flash'em separately when upgrading to a new rom, OR I can use deriberatly the modem that works best? I ask this because so far I haven't seen any indications on the ROM threads and I saw the compilation post of Modems
As of the kernel I'm not so worried, I'll simply use Siyah's kernel
Thanks!
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Hi Everyone! As a part of the usual process when I'm flashing a new phone, I start reading the forum to see what I can and cannot do. Believe it or not, this is the first android device that I own, every other phones weren't just mine. Now, I have two simple questions:
I've flashed some other phones, but in those I've never had to deal with modems or basebands (except from the nightmare called iPhone ), I wanted to know, the roms come with their own Basebands and Kernels or I have to flash'em separately when upgrading to a new rom, OR I can use deriberatly the modem that works best? I ask this because so far I haven't seen any indications on the ROM threads and I saw the compilation post of Modems
As of the kernel I'm not so worried, I'll simply use Siyah's kernel
Thanks!
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There is a modems thread in the dev forum. Has a map at the bottom recommending modems
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122ninjas said:
There is a modems thread in the dev forum. Has a map at the bottom recommending modems
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Thanks for the answer, but I didn't explain myself. I saw that thread, actually I mentioned it above. I will have to test the various basebands, I live in Venezuela and there's no recommendation on the map for my country.
Now, resuming and explaining myself better, I just wanna know if Roms have their own Baseband and Kernels included (or just baseband for instance), and if there's any Baseband requirement on the roms -- Obviously there are Kernel requirements.
Thanks!
a_lleras said:
Thanks for the answer, but I didn't explain myself. I saw that thread, actually I mentioned it above. I will have to test the various basebands, I live in Venezuela and there's no recommendation on the map for my country.
Now, resuming and explaining myself better, I just wanna know if Roms have their own Baseband and Kernels included (or just baseband for instance), and if there's any Baseband requirement on the roms -- Obviously there are Kernel requirements.
Thanks!
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They come with their own kernel and you can flash over that. Fairly certain they don't have a modem but don't quote me on that. You have to get a Sammy modem for a Sammy ROM and a aosp modem for an aosp rom
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They come with their own kernel and you can flash over that. Fairly certain they don't have a modem but don't quote me on that. You have to get a Sammy modem for a Sammy ROM and a aosp modem for an aosp rom
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For clarification, the only difference in the actual modem from aosp to Sammy is the install script. The modem itself is identical.
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Thanks, exactly what I wanted to know. :good: Just had that slight doubt.
122ninjas said:
They come with their own kernel and you can flash over that. Fairly certain they don't have a modem but don't quote me on that.
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Just to clarify this. Some roms have Aroma installer which gives various options or features to flash with your rom on the initial install. Depending on what the developer includes, different kernel and modem choices are possible.
If I was to install, say, the Liquid Smooth ROM onto my i717 (I have a good amount of experience with flashing ROMs, so that much I know,) specifically, the KitKat version, it lists kernels in the download links. Would these kernels be included with the ROM files themselves, i.e. install at the same time as the ROM, or would I have to flash the kernel separately before flashing the ROM? Thank you VERY much in advance
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If I was to install, say, the Liquid Smooth ROM onto my i717 (I have a good amount of experience with flashing ROMs, so that much I know,) specifically, the KitKat version, it lists kernels in the download links. Would these kernels be included with the ROM files themselves, i.e. install at the same time as the ROM, or would I have to flash the kernel separately before flashing the ROM? Thank you VERY much in advance
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The thread should tell you if the kernel is baked into the Rom our not but the stock kernel usually comes with it. I'm pretty sure you're talking about a beefed up kernel tho. You'll just have to read the thread and if you're still not clear about it, ask in that thread to be sure.
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If I was to install, say, the Liquid Smooth ROM onto my i717 (I have a good amount of experience with flashing ROMs, so that much I know,) specifically, the KitKat version, it lists kernels in the download links. Would these kernels be included with the ROM files themselves, i.e. install at the same time as the ROM, or would I have to flash the kernel separately before flashing the ROM? Thank you VERY much in advance
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there is always a kernel included with a rom. most alternate kernels are made and or flashed to combat a side effect or incompatibility with some folks devices. its not that provided kernel doesn't work, just that every device is different and the alternates can sometimes be more compatible.
however, I would suggest you give the original kernel a chance to settle, at least a day if not two. if it just flat out is not working for you, then flash an alternate onto the rom. wipe you caches ( not factory) flash kernel by itself and your good
never want to discount reading here as Gimmeitorilltell suggests. reading educates you and puts you in a better position to help yourself first.
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If I was to install, say, the Liquid Smooth ROM onto my i717 (I have a good amount of experience with flashing ROMs, so that much I know,) specifically, the KitKat version, it lists kernels in the download links. Would these kernels be included with the ROM files themselves, i.e. install at the same time as the ROM, or would I have to flash the kernel separately before flashing the ROM? Thank you VERY much in advance
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In general stick with the kernel that comes with a ROM unless you have a reason to change, like stability, overclocking, etc... but you do flash the kernel after the ROM; anytime after the ROM flash really. You don't need a clean flash before kernel switch.
The dev probably did not test his/her ROM with every kernel possible so if you want support your best bet is to be on the kernel included. For the 1st install of a ROM if you are unsure you should definitely use included kernel; as sometimes you just can't predict what changing it will do.
That said there many of us do switch kernels when installing updates, I certainly do. There are not alot of kernels for our phones as only a dedicated few devs continue to support the Note but you have a few choices. All kernels I've seen allow performance/governor control to some degree. If you read through the various ROM threads you'll find that some kernels are preferred by users but for the most part kernels like Uber work well with most ROMs.
P0llution's ROM patch allows you to switch kernels after flashing a ROM (BeanStalk, LiquidSmooth, etc....) and even before 1st boot. It also has patches for various KK problems. It is in the Beanstalk thread 1st post.
Thank you so much for your replies! Installed LS and flashed Uber kernel and running with no issues.
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