I am by no means new to the rooting world, I have several android phones starting with the moto d1, d2, and an inc. After moving to the thunderbolt I am seeing people are having a lot of issues with rooting and what not else. My question is, is it even safe to root and flash ROMs at this time, or is it better to wait till the issues get worked out?
people who have issues are the ones who do not follow directions.
jmc2543 said:
I am by no means new to the rooting world, I have several android phones starting with the moto d1, d2, and an inc. After moving to the thunderbolt I am seeing people are having a lot of issues with rooting and what not else. My question is, is it even safe to root and flash ROMs at this time, or is it better to wait till the issues get worked out?
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I have a rooted thunderbolt myself. I am using synergy's nightly Rom and I love it. My phone runs ten times better. I say go ahead and root. Just make sure you follow directions thoroughly.
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Exactly as stated above
I'm curious... Where did you get the idea a lot of people are having issues with rooting?
I'm referring to the talk of posts dedicated to people with bricked and non bricked phones, like at the top of the dev board.
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I'm referring to the talk of posts dedicated to people with bricked and non bricked phones, like at the top of the dev board.
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VERY old news... Nobody has conclusively got to the bottom of that issue. It's currently assumed that HTC used an off-spec eMMC chip in some of the earliest devices. Those tended to fail for some reason with the use of the original GB leak radio. I'm not sure why that thread is still stickied. The other thread relating to that was unstickied like 2 months ago.
Alot of the people I've seen that did get stuck in that boot loop, which was being called bricked, was resolved by simply flashing a different radio. I heard of some people actually having bricked devices, but not many. I am fairly new to a lot of this, in comparison to many others, but I have never had a problem that wasn't caused by my own stupidity.
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is it safe,its never safe its wether you want your phone to work or not,radios whete never the cause my first bolt bricked on stock out of the box in ten days,just either grow a set or leave it,if life was safe ypy would live in a box
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Nothing in life is safe. Even breathing will kill you (eventually)
However, I do think more of the newbies that are cautious than the ones that just jump into thinks without thinking or knowing why they are rooting to begin with. So good for you Mr. OP
You will Never Know
I have not rooted my Thunderbolt (yet) but its not because I am afraid I might brick it .. I prefer to read as much as I can about it before diving in head first. I dont know if its "safe" but I do know the success rate is pretty good from what I have read, if you are not the kind to take short cuts.
I say go for it. Just make sure you do your homework first. Life is too short to live with bloatware.
Hot Carl said:
I have not rooted my Thunderbolt (yet) but its not because I am afraid I might brick it .. I prefer to read as much as I can about it before diving in head first. I dont know if its "safe" but I do know the success rate is pretty good from what I have read, if you are not the kind to take short cuts.
I say go for it. Just make sure you do your homework first. Life is too short to live with bloatware.
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Looks like that's you're first post here! And I like what it has to say! Welcome to the community. Hope you enjoy it!
Exactly, well put, I've been rooted for a Cpl of months now and only boot looped once through my own stupitity. I flash rom's all the time. Root it!!!!
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Alot of the people I've seen that did get stuck in that boot loop, which was being called bricked, was resolved by simply flashing a different radio. I heard of some people actually having bricked devices, but not many. I am fairly new to a lot of this, in comparison to many others, but I have never had a problem that wasn't caused by my own stupidity.
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I dont know if you guys feel the same, but I just have an urge to mess up with my phone so much, install themes, play around with roms, change settings, find out about hidden settings, anything that makes me feel that I can, just for the heck of being able to do it, and I want more and more!! what about you? do yo feel the same way? are we weird or what?
No, we're human. Don't ask Steve Jobs about customizing, it doesn't compute.
//need more input.
Is this necessary for the development section?
yes very much
My name is Mark, and I'm a phone junkie.
lol, phone junkie, nice term for our sickness, jejejejeje
Yes, I suffer from this as well. I actually still flash ROMs on my Droid, just because I miss being able to do so. It's one of the few things I miss about my Droid. I hope we see Voodoo tonight or tomorrow so I have something to play around with.
Count me in with this group.
I may reactivate my incredible just to flash stuff.
Fascinate oc1.4 for now
Lmao, I'm the same way. I got this phone last friday, but I haven't rooted yet since there isn't much yet to toy with for it. I'm going nuts. I have an inactive droid and my wife is using my incredible. I flashed roms on those phones almost daily. I've got a serious case of withdraws.
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Lmao, I'm the same way. I got this phone last friday, but I haven't rooted yet since there isn't much yet to toy with for it. I'm going nuts. I have an inactive droid and my wife is using my incredible. I flashed roms on those phones almost daily. I've got a serious case of withdraws.
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Sounds exactly like me hah. I had to go ahead and root just for CW though. Good piece of mind.
Such is life. Some people tinker with stuff. Hardware, software. We always want faster, speedier, etc
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until you brick it... and dont enough money to get a new one then it really blows.. But i guess its worth it
apthirdeye14 said:
Lmao, I'm the same way. I got this phone last friday, but I haven't rooted yet since there isn't much yet to toy with for it. I'm going nuts. I have an inactive droid and my wife is using my incredible. I flashed roms on those phones almost daily. I've got a serious case of withdraws.
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We are such sick people, needing to flash stuff on our phones
I was like that with my droid eris I never backed it up or anything I was a risk taker
Till I bricked 2 of them... But luckly I lied to verizon and just said my screen wont turn on and they sent new one
I too have this disease the only difference between me and you guys is that I can quit anytime I want to. i just dont want to. OK?!?!?
But really I miss the daily ROMs maybe we could make some placebo ROMs you know they wouldn't really change anything but they would be there for those of us that just need to flash something lol
I too am a junkie when it comes to this stuff. I came from droid 1 and even with it inactive I flash stuff over wifi nonstop since we don't have much on the fascinate yet. It's an addiction!
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The cool thing about android is that you can't really brick a phone cause you always have resources like RSD, and Odin at your disposal. Now when you do brick its because its your fault, you did something stupid and deserve a bricked phone. Its your fault cause you did something stupid and deserve a bricked phone. Sorry had to say that twice cause it was worth repeating.
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yeah, is kind of scary when somwthing goes wrong and the phone wont boot, or is stuck in the boot screen, your heart starts to accelerate, your mind starts to work really hard, and when you fix it and you see your home screen again, you feel like some kind of power, or realization that a stupod phone wont beat you
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Hi. I'm ksizzle9. I'm addicted to my android phone. I have a problem
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I lose a lot of productive hours at work tinkering on my phones. Throw me in the same boat with the other guys that keep updating their Droids just to get their fix.
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if you dont know if you should ask a question or post on here feel free to send me an IM on AIM.... the worst I will say is sorry I dont know and i will help you find out. The dev forms are getting pretty full with distracting questions for the devs so I thought while Im at work I will try and help with random questions. and who know maybe ul teach me something
Aim: TheJonDude
please keep it to thunderbolt related questions
People shouldn't be scared. Thats why these forums are here. There will always be internet assassins but people shouldn't be afraid of them. There are no stupid questions just stupid people.. Good service you will be doing though
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That's very cool of you. Though, most questions can be answered with a simple search on the forums.
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People would save themselves a lot of flaming if they would search before they ask, but yeah, that's cool of you to do.
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That's very cool of you. Though, most questions can be answered with a simple search on the forums.
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Unfortunately the search function on XDA isn't the easiest to use nor very helpful. I think it's cool though thejondude is offering his help.
At least through the app, the search is way too general and overall pretty crappy. Its frustrating to use for a new user like myself.
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thanks guys i really dont mind the random IM's it helps pass the time at work
If anyone wants to email me ([email protected]) I will also be willing to help. I always have my phone and will usually get back to you rather quickly.
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Very gracious of you.
I'm sure some people would greatly appreciate your help.
I have had my TB for a week now... Can you please tell me how to turn it on and make a call? I have tried pressing on the screen hard and holding it that way for 10 seconds but it still doesn’t turn on. I would call Verizon for help but I can’t because my phone won’t turn on....
Thanks!
P.S. after I get it on can you tell me how to locate fried chicken restaurants near me using the GPS?
Thanks again!
Excellent thread sir. Im using ching's the perfect storm Rom and am wondering how to flash to different kernels. I see where to to find them, but how to I flash them? I'm sure I've overlooked several threads on how to.do this but frankly I'm tired of.looking!
Thank you
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Excellent thread sir. Im using ching's the perfect storm Rom and am wondering how to flash to different kernels. I see where to to find them, but how to I flash them? I'm sure I've overlooked several threads on how to.do this but frankly I'm tired of.looking!
Thank you
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Just flash them the same way you flashed your Rom. That's all no complicated process or anything.
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Thanks for the thread. I use search and find most things but find it comforting there is help by individuals. Have certainly used it in the past.
bump im on aim going to lunch soon tho so catch me while u can
Thank you for this thread! I am rooted and have tried several roms and radios. My question is this: Is the check for updates function in phone settings a reliable way to determine if your phone is capable of receiving OTA updates? I noticed when I was on a leaked radio it would tell me that the update service was unavailable and to check back. When I returned to the stock radio it said there were no updates available. Tia!
P.S. I am currently on the stock rom and radio. I am aware that any official OTA updates may wipe my root and my ability to reroot.
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I'm also willing to answer PM's if anyone has personal or relationship problems they'd like to discuss.
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Thank you for this thread! I am rooted and have tried several roms and radios. My question is this: Is the check for updates function in phone settings a reliable way to determine if your phone is capable of receiving OTA updates? I noticed when I was on a leaked radio it would tell me that the update service was unavailable and to check back. When I returned to the stock radio it said there were no updates available. Tia!
P.S. I am currently on the stock rom and radio. I am aware that any official OTA updates may wipe my root and my ability to reroot.
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In the past, if you did not have all of the bloatware, etc. that came on the phone (i.e. if you were not completely stock) you would have issues getting the OTA. Since you are back to stock, you should not have any issues, but I wouldn't necessarily say that "check for updates" is the best way to determine that. If you are completely stock, you will get the OTA, but I wouldn't say that check for updates is all that reliable if you have changed something.
HawkStream said:
I have had my TB for a week now... Can you please tell me how to turn it on and make a call? I have tried pressing on the screen hard and holding it that way for 10 seconds but it still doesn’t turn on. I would call Verizon for help but I can’t because my phone won’t turn on....
Thanks!
P.S. after I get it on can you tell me how to locate fried chicken restaurants near me using the GPS?
Thanks again!
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Lambo... See one in every bunch. Ignore them, Keep up the work guys.
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In the past, if you did not have all of the bloatware, etc. that came on the phone (i.e. if you were not completely stock) you would have issues getting the OTA. Since you are back to stock, you should not have any issues, but I wouldn't necessarily say that "check for updates" is the best way to determine that. If you are completely stock, you will get the OTA, but I wouldn't say that check for updates is all that reliable if you have changed something.
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I am completely stock with the exception of root at the moment. Just curious if I will be able to deny OTA updates or they will automatically update my phone. With the OG Droid I was asked if I wanted to update or not. I don't want to lose root with no going back. Thanks.
I would assume so (that you can deny). I jumped on the Droid train a bit later but have always been asked (when I was all stock) to update.
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I always hear the warnings "rooting can brick your phone" but I was wondering how many have reported truly "Bricking" their phones trying to root?? I have a new GS2 and naturally a bit reluctant to root since it will void my warranty, but I am not a stranger to modding, I had a LG VU and with the help of guys from the LGVU forum I totally modded that phone to do be either a iPhone, Android or Storm looking/acting phone.. It took replacing system files and so on but I always backed up the originals so after 2 years of modding I was able to get the phone back to it factory state easily... The only "Bricking" resulted with LG VU members was due to having little tech sense or reading instructions on the correct procedures when modding..
That said, I felt the risk with the VU was minimal since I purchased it on ebay so there wasn't a warranty issue and more importantly it would have only cost me $100-150 to replace compared to this $500+ phone
My main reason for rooting is to get rid of the AT&T bloat and increase my battery life, a very knowledgeable member from the AT&T forum is also a Senior member/adviser here at XDA and reported increasing his battery life BIGTIME after rooting and making some changes post root.. TIA
If you do it perfectly, back up things you have to and flash kernels safely and absolutely by-the-book, nothing SHOULD happen. I've bricked an old GalaxyS1 by flashing a kernel but if you be extra careful and only get kernels that have been tested and generally, not f**k around, you'll be safe.
READ, READ, and READ some more. The best way to determine if something is safe or not is to really understand *what* you're doing.
What is "rooting" actually doing to your phone? How is it doing it? Answer that and you'll know if it's safe or not.
Spoiler Alert: If you don't do anything stupid, and aren't unlucky, it's perfectly safe.
its actually kinda hard to brick these phones by just attempting to root it. As long as you stay away from bootloaders, you'll be fine.
Buy a jig and go wild.
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its actually kinda hard to brick these phones by just attempting to root it. As long as you stay away from bootloaders, you'll be fine.
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Yup, the most important thing is:
Do NOT flash anything meant for the I9100. If the package includes bootloaders (many do), it will likely hose your device. Similarly, don't flash the UCKJ1 leak unless designgears has put up a "bootloader-free" version. While it won't brick you, it does eliminate the ability to use a jig to reset your "custom binary count" counter.
Other than that - anything linked to from the first post of a thread in the dev forum should be safe. (although some stuff, such as netchip's kernels, will result in you getting some experience with un-hosing your device with Odin/Heimdall.)
It's next to impossible to brick most Samsung phones, including ours, unless you mess with bootloaders. If you see the files boot.bin or Sbl.bin in a flash package, be VERY wary.
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Yup, the most important thing is:
Do NOT flash anything meant for the I9100. If the package includes bootloaders (many do), it will likely hose your device. Similarly, don't flash the UCKJ1 leak unless designgears has put up a "bootloader-free"
It's next to impossible to brick most Samsung phones, including ours, unless you mess with bootloaders. If you see the files boot.bin or Sbl.bin in a flash package, be VERY wary.
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thanks guys, not sure what bootloaders are yet but I now know I don't want them lol.. I've got lots of reading to do, I never jump into anything halfcocked.. Can you please tell me how rooting will greatly improve my battery life?? is it the rooting itself or things I can or should adjust or eliminate that helps increase battery life??
ALSO:will it help with the slight lag experienced with Gingerbread??
Captpt said:
thanks guys, not sure what bootloaders are yet but I now know I don't want them lol.. I've got lots of reading to do, I never jump into anything halfcocked.. Can you please tell me how rooting will greatly improve my battery life?? is it the rooting itself or things I can or should adjust or eliminate that helps increase battery life??
ALSO:will it help with the slight lag experienced with Gingerbread??
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http://androidcommunity.com/android-101-bootloaders-20110527/
info about bootloaders
Captpt said:
thanks guys, not sure what bootloaders are yet but I now know I don't want them lol.. I've got lots of reading to do, I never jump into anything halfcocked.. Can you please tell me how rooting will greatly improve my battery life?? is it the rooting itself or things I can or should adjust or eliminate that helps increase battery life??
ALSO:will it help with the slight lag experienced with Gingerbread??
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Rooting itself alone won't do anything.
A more aggressive debloating than what AT&T lets you do likely will.
Can't anything be fixed with Odin?
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Can't anything be fixed with Odin?
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anything, like what?
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anything, like what?
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Literally flashing a rom from another device with a different bootloader. Can't Odin just completely reflash all stock stuff?
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Literally flashing a rom from another device with a different bootloader. Can't Odin just completely reflash all stock stuff?
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The bootloader is the phone side of download mode. Break it, you break Odin.
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The bootloader is the phone side of download mode. Break it, you break Odin.
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Scary stuff.
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Scary stuff.
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It is along with being all greek at the moment... lots to read and research before doing anything..
As someone who just rooted his sg2 (which I got after getting rid of my iPhone this week), and as someone who had never used an android device previously, rooting was easy as pie.
And by that I mean things will turn out great if you take your time, chose a flavor (research), and follow the recipe (instructions).
I rooted and installed a ROM today. No issues at all. Just don't rush things and be sure to research.
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It is along with being all greek at the moment... lots to read and research before doing anything..
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Its not that hard to actually do the rooting and installing of custom roms. Once you get the hang of it, its nothing. The scary thing is that it becomes so easy that you could easily make a mistake and flash a corrupted bootloader and have a big problem on your hands.
Its almost too easy.
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I've never owned a HTC device to the point where I've needed to root. How hard is it to achieve root once it's out? Would it be easy to brick the device? I've been waiting for the nexus but at the same time this device really looks great. Deal breaker for me would be how easy would it be to root in the future, and how easy it would be to not brick the device.
P.S. Will this phone receive a lot of development? Hoping maybe CM and other ones? I know it's to early to say, but I don't want an option of two roms like I did with my Droid charge.
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The Invredible and Thunderbolt had 1 click root which was very easy to use.
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Once root is achieved, the process is typically pretty easy. Also, changing ROMs has been a breeze with HTC, especially compared to what the Samsung people have had to go through (speaking from experience with my wife's captivate).
I've seen several Incredible 1 and Incredible 2 devs posting in here so I'm expecting some...... Incredible development for this device.
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I've never owned a HTC device to the point where I've needed to root. How hard is it to achieve root once it's out? Would it be easy to brick the device? I've been waiting for the nexus but at the same time this device really looks great. Deal breaker for me would be how easy would it be to root in the future, and how easy it would be to not brick the device.
P.S. Will this phone receive a lot of development? Hoping maybe CM and other ones? I know it's to early to say, but I don't want an option of two roms like I did with my Droid charge.
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There is no guarantee that the phone will be rooted but due to the interest and the people working on it I believe it will happen. Just may take some time. Couple weeks a month, who knows.
As far as bricking your phone it is unlikely but does happen on rare occasions especially when the instructions are not followed to the letter.
I know atleast 3 or 4 devs already have basic ROMs ready to roll when we do get root and I see many of my friends from the Incredible forum in here now so I don't think this phone will be ignored.
I for stock have a stock and de-bloated ROM ready to go and started my typical theme-ing and I expect a lot of good tweaks to any already current Sense base.
If that is a big concern for you then wait and see what phones get root and ROMs then decide based on that.
Well I'm in no rush to have root asap. Just hoping I don't get locked into a device that can't achieve it. How long did it typically take for the TB to get rooted? Is the rezound similarly locked down the way the TB was?
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Well I just ordered mine today after seeing some of my favorite developers from the incredible getting them (joel, nils, newt) Hoping we can achieve s-off soon
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Gja88 said:
Well I'm in no rush to have root asap. Just hoping I don't get locked into a device that can't achieve it. How long did it typically take for the TB to get rooted? Is the rezound similarly locked down the way the TB was?
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Seems like thunderbolt root as day one or close to it.
I believe that was a very lucky circumstance though.
if you look at the CM devices list you will see that most of them are HTC so there is an excellent chance it will be rooted and i have seen from the incredible forums that lots of the devs are going to the Rezound and the incredible had tons of roms
I'm under the impression that S-Off and/or rooting void the warranty, yes? Soft-roots get around it by resetting at each reboot, right?
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Well I'm in no rush to have root asap. Just hoping I don't get locked into a device that can't achieve it. How long did it typically take for the TB to get rooted? Is the rezound similarly locked down the way the TB was?
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TB was extremely fast, HTC left a big hole in their security on that phone and it was a quick exploit. The Incredible is a better comparison in my opinion, it took ~2 months to be unlocked, but it did have perm root more quickly if I remember correctly.
It is possible, though much less so than the Razr, that it will never be unlocked. Its a gamble you either have to take or you might look at waiting for the Nexus. If the Rezound never gets unlocked, I don't think we'll ever see another unlocked phone on Verizon as sad as that is.
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I'm under the impression that S-Off and/or rooting void the warranty, yes? Soft-roots get around it by resetting at each reboot, right?
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Both void the warranty. Usually, it is very easy to roll back and be almost completely untraceable. I've sent multiple rooted and unlocked phones back to Verizon for warranty work (not software) and they never knew.
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Both void the warranty. Usually, it is very easy to roll back and be almost completely untraceable. I've sent multiple rooted and unlocked phones back to Verizon for warranty work (not software) and they never knew.
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Oh, I didn't know that rolling-back was an option. Thanks.
Coming from an s3 I am wondering if this may be true. Toolkit to unlock and root. Then a Odin image to revert to stock if needed
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My 2 cents, for what it's worth. Toolkits should be banned from Android. They just allow people to do stuff that is well over their head, and when they fail, the user has an "OH ****" moment and quite possibly, makes things worse trying to recover. You should learn how to do it manually so you know what you're doing, and doing anything manually also forces you to learn a few things in the process that can save you later.
Also, we already have a method back to stock, so I'm not sure why that's still needed.
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My 2 cents, for what it's worth. Toolkits should be banned from Android. They just allow people to do stuff that is well over their head, and when they fail, the user has an "OH ****" moment and quite possibly, makes things worse trying to recover. You should learn how to do it manually so you know what you're doing, and doing anything manually also forces you to learn a few things in the process that can save you later.
Also, we already have a method back to stock, so I'm not sure why that's still needed.
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Words of wisdom right there!
^ Yup learn it please save me from reading 25 pages of people asking for help on simple mods
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Lol....toolkits and the people that develop them rock!!!!
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imnuts said:
My 2 cents, for what it's worth. Toolkits should be banned from Android. They just allow people to do stuff that is well over their head, and when they fail, the user has an "OH ****" moment and quite possibly, makes things worse trying to recover. You should learn how to do it manually so you know what you're doing, and doing anything manually also forces you to learn a few things in the process that can save you later.
Also, we already have a method back to stock, so I'm not sure why that's still needed.
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This is a really good point.
When I rooted my Thunderbolt, I tried using a toolkit, and it didn't work. I was stuck halfway through the root process with no way back and no idea how to continue.
As it turned out, the download wasn't quite perfect, one of the images I was flashing to get s-off was corrupt. The toolkit never checked. I damn near bricked my phone because I was a noob and used a toolkit.
My advice is, don't do it, not for your first time. Once you understand how to recover if the toolkit fails, then you can use one. But not before.
I rooted my HTC Eris before there was a one click root/unlock app. Imagine a noob who knows nothing about Android setting up SDK and flashing images with adb. This was before you could find noob friendly guides and asking questions almost always got you flamed. I had no idea what I was doing. Once I finally rooted and unlocked I flashed a rom that boot looped. My first ever XDA post was "HELP!! Am I Bricked??".
Moral of the story, I did it the hard way and learned a little along the way. I've rooted/modded every device I've owned since.
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Yep I don't think youre broke in yet unless you've went through a few minute to an hour of sweating bullets thinking you now own a 700 dollar paper weight. First time I rooted was the original adb push method with the bolt. I skipped a step and fouled it up but recovered by just figuring it out. (Mainly cause I didn't want to get flamed) anyway. Always wanting the simple way out is not always the best. Besides it doesn't get a whole lot easier than using casual. Took like 15 minutes and 8 of that was waiting on the first flash. Its literally 3 steps. It would be that with a toolkit.
I know how to do it. Just that doing it over and over again is time cosuming
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G1 took my virginity and then the droid ... both of those phones made me cringe at times lol
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ihavenewnike said:
I know how to do it. Just that doing it over and over again is time cosuming
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Doing it via a toolkit isn't going to save any significant amount of time as you would still need to have the images downloaded and then flash them, both of which are going to be the two longest parts of the process. There also shouldn't be a reason to ever have to unlock again as there are stock restore packages that will retain the unlock status of the phone.
imnuts said:
My 2 cents, for what it's worth. Toolkits should be banned from Android. They just allow people to do stuff that is well over their head, and when they fail, the user has an "OH ****" moment and quite possibly, makes things worse trying to recover. You should learn how to do it manually so you know what you're doing, and doing anything manually also forces you to learn a few things in the process that can save you later.
Also, we already have a method back to stock, so I'm not sure why that's still needed.
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Well said! I used one click methods on my OG Evo when I was a noob and was constantly scared to death every time I got in a boot loop and other scary things for a begginer. I agree! Learn from the bottom up even if its just rooting, unlocking, flashing and backing up.
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Well it would still be nice to have one. I know how to do it personally, but like the galaxy s3 we had the rooting toolkit and the app to unlock. It is a luxury nice to have. Hopefully omeone will make one
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Aint nothing wrong with having a toolkit.As long as ppl check the MD5 they will be fine. I learned to use both ways when i had my thunderbolt and to be honest it is much easier to have the toolkit.Yes should should know how to root / unroot manually. Yes there should be an easy way for those that decide to use the toolkit.Obviosly using both ways you still have ppl that are always asking the same questionie.. Help i bricked my phone or How to do this or that. but guess what thats what makes this forum great. you have options to do it either way.It also makes the person or persons who do the toolkit get thanked!!!! lol well thats all im gonna say about that!
imnuts said:
My 2 cents, for what it's worth. Toolkits should be banned from Android. They just allow people to do stuff that is well over their head, and when they fail, the user has an "OH ****" moment and quite possibly, makes things worse trying to recover. You should learn how to do it manually so you know what you're doing, and doing anything manually also forces you to learn a few things in the process that can save you later.
Also, we already have a method back to stock, so I'm not sure why that's still needed.
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Just because a person chooses an easy method doesn't mean they don't know or can't learn the actual method, and just because s person can follow step by step instructions doesn't mean they actually learned anything.
The first time I rooted an Android device I did it using the command line on my phone, no PC needed.
The second time I used z4root.
we now have a root tool kit... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050297
droidstyle said:
we now have a root tool kit... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050297
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Hellz ya... but no camera..... guess we can call it give and take huh... I do use my camera and supposedly it exploit is only for rooted phones.. if im wrong please let me know but thats what ive read on android authority.
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crazydad said:
Aint nothing wrong with having a toolkit.As long as ppl check the MD5 they will be fine. I learned to use both ways when i had my thunderbolt and to be honest it is much easier to have the toolkit.Yes should should know how to root / unroot manually. Yes there should be an easy way for those that decide to use the toolkit.Obviosly using both ways you still have ppl that are always asking the same questionie.. Help i bricked my phone or How to do this or that. but guess what thats what makes this forum great. you have options to do it either way.It also makes the person or persons who do the toolkit get thanked!!!! lol well thats all im gonna say about that!
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I can agree to this. My wife's tbolt crapped out on her. It's easier to have a toolkit to quickly get the new device unlocked/rooted so I could restore her backup img on the new phone.
Having never used a toolkit for any phone, I can likely root or restore any phone I have just as fast as the toolkit could for someone. You learn how to do everything manually, and you will learn that in most cases, it's easier to do it that way. Also, the toolkit wouldn't work properly anyway as it would need to be able to execute Odin, select a tar, and then flash it. While you could get an application to do this, it would require other pre-requisites to do so. My opinion is that everyone should just stop being lazy, suck it up, and deal with the methods available, and if you can't do that, then learn to love stock. There is nothing hard about rooting, unlocking, reverting to stock, or anything else that I've seen yet.
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Hellz ya... but no camera..... guess we can call it give and take huh... I do use my camera and supposedly it exploit is only for rooted phones.. if im wrong please let me know but thats what ive read on android authority.
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read the post...camera is only broke on the s3 using that method.