Be warned, unlock with htc method!!! - HTC EVO 3D

Be warned, if you unlock with HTC's method and you don't have s-off already, you will be able to load roms but NOT KERNELS at all.

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What kernels have you tried? Maybe it just won't work all custom ones are currently based on the old kernel (ie not downgrade). Have you tried flashing freeza's 2.3.4 kernel with ciq removed?

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novanosis85 said:
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LMAO too funny.

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mwalt2 said:
What kernels have you tried? Maybe it just won't work all custom ones are currently based on the old kernel (ie not downgrade). Have you tried flashing freeza's 2.3.4 kernel with ciq removed?
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I tried freeza's kernel on a phone that was unlocked via HTC unlock. Doesnt take.. And you know how when you flash kernels it usually takes like 10 seconds to flash? It takes a couple of minutes to flash. Even if you install a rom when it gets to install the boot.img it hangs longer than it takes to install /system
Same thing that is happening with the recoveries(except that one older version on cwm) they appear to flash fine but the changes do not really take

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graffixnyc said:
I tried freeza's kernel on a phone that was unlocked via HTC unlock. Doesnt take.. And you know how when you flash kernels it usually takes like 10 seconds to flash? It takes a couple of minutes to flash. Even if you install a rom when it gets to install the boot.img it hangs longer than it takes to install /system
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Who in their right mind would choose HTC's unlock method, over Revolutionary? If they did choose HTC's unlocking method, then their pretty stupid and they shouldn't be flashing roms in the first place.
I mean, come-on. Revolutionary gave us an exploit to get s-off and root with the users in mind. HTC gave us the unlocking method with HTC in mind. So if you chose HTC, when we have Revolutionary, you deserve whatever you get. IMHO
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sniperkill said:
Who in their right mind would choose HTC's unlock method, over Revolutionary? If they did choose HTC's unlocking method, then their pretty stupid and they shouldn't be flashing roms in the first place.
I mean, come-on. Revolutionary gave us an exploit to get s-off and root with the users in mind. HTC gave us the unlocking method with HTC in mind. So if you chose HTC, when we have Revolutionary, you deserve whatever you get. IMHO
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I did the HTC unlock on my buddy's phone Just to be the guinea pig Plus he doesnt have a clue about flashing or anything like that (that's why he gave his phone to me to set up for) My phone thank god was s-offed using revolutionary.
I'm going to try to hold on to his phone for as long as I can because me and Haus_ have been trying to figure out what we can do to unlock it. We've also been bouncing ideas around with IEF..

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sniperkill said:
Who in their right mind would choose HTC's unlock method, over Revolutionary? If they did choose HTC's unlocking method, then their pretty stupid and they shouldn't be flashing roms in the first place.
I mean, come-on. Revolutionary gave us an exploit to get s-off and root with the users in mind. HTC gave us the unlocking method with HTC in mind. So if you chose HTC, when we have Revolutionary, you deserve whatever you get. IMHO
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Class A **** response there.
There many reasons to go through it. One being if you didn't have the choice and ur phone had the OTA already applied. The other being for dev purposes and to see what all it actually does so we can get a idea about it.

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sgt. slaughter said:
Class A **** response there.
There many reasons to go through it. One being if you didn't have the choice and ur phone had the OTA already applied. The other being for dev purposes and to see what all it actually does so we can get a idea about it.
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Well said
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Someone please delete this thread as what is stated in the original post is totally false. The stock kernal with CIQ removed does indeed work, no other custom 2.3.3 Kernals will work with 2.3.4 because the framework is different.
Edit: Not to mention once an unofficial exploit is available, I am positive it can be ran on top of the HTC Unlock to give you S-OFF.
My EVO 3D is HTC Unlocked.

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novanosis85 said:
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Rem3Dy said:
Well said
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Correcto mundo on the **** answer.
And yes, I'm new here, but it doesn't mean I did my search. Read many guides how to use HTC unlock here, and all of there where "so revolutionary isn't needed anymore" "you can install roms with htc method" bla bla bla, but none of them say you can't install kernels. So I just posted this as a warning for other newbies.
And yes, as the other guy, I did try the stock modified new kernel, and nope, doesn't take it. Appears HTC has put some kind of lock to the kernel.

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Yup... I can confirm this too. I updated my phone via ota, then proceeded to the htc unlock page. (should have read xda first) Bootloader unlock was very easy, and cwm installed fine. after cwm installed I noticed wifi reads error after you try to turn on. Nothing besides the initial cwm flashed via bootloader, and kernels do not flash in cwm. Now im pissed, n feel like a dumbass. Thanks HTC. Well... Im gonna try to get the phone covered under an insurance claim. With a new phone, I cant say I will make the same mistake twice...

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Cant you just relock the phone via the HTC method and use a revolutionary method once its relocked?

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ssconceptz said:
Someone please delete this thread as what is stated in the original post is totally false. The stock kernal with CIQ removed does indeed work, no other custom 2.3.3 Kernals will work with 2.3.4 because the framework is different.
Edit: Not to mention once an unofficial exploit is available, I am positive it can be ran on top of the HTC Unlock to give you S-OFF.
My EVO 3D is HTC Unlocked.
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Can you post screen shots of you settings kernel version before and after you flashed the kernel? Or are you just saying it worked because you flashed it and nothing broke? I flashed freeza's kernel and my kernel version didn't change at all. Not even the date SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 5
Plus some of the things it claimed to do at boot didn't happen
I still had data in these after I flashed and booted:
Removes files from /data/system/dropbox ()
-Removes files from /data/system/appusagestats
-Removes files from /data/system/usagestats
These were still all read write:
-Modifies permissions on /data/system/dropbox to read-only
-Modifies permissions on /data/system/appusagestats to read-only
-Modifies permissions on /data/system/usagestats to read-only
All Still had full permissions:
-Removes permissions on /data/system/userbehavior.db
-Removes permissions on /data/system/userbehavior.db
-Removes permissions on /data/system/userbehavior.db-shm
-Removes permissions on /data/system/userbehavior.db-wal
-Removes permissions on /data/system/userbehavior.xml
Plus the fact the kernel takes a few minutes to flash when it should only take the most a few seconds tells you something isnt right. Have you guys tried flashing a kernel by it self? Do you notice it takes a long time to flash? Or when you're flashing a rom watch the progress. Does it hang and take longer to flash the boot image than the system image? that shouldnt be. Something is for sure not taking. I flashed his kernel and nothing broke, but none of his changes he made to it stuck

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SPreston2001 said:
Cant you just relock the phone via the HTC method and use a revolutionary method once its relocked?
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No, you cannot. Revolutionary doesnt support the 1.50 bootloader. In the past we could solve this by downgrading the bootloader. But now HTC built in a bootloader version check. It wont allow you to flash a bootloader with an older version of the current bootloader. We tried changing the mainver in the misc partition and that's how we found that out. Then we tried to flash the RUU with the older 1.40 bootloader we got a "bootloader is older version" IEF from alpharev/revolutionary said "That's a new one" Him and I were on irc the other night trying to figure it out. At first we couldnt even get a RUU to run. That's when I discovered to get a RUU to run you first have to relock the phone(which you could unlock again after)

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graffixnyc said:
No, you cannot. Revolutionary doesnt support the 1.50 bootloader. In the past we could solve this by downgrading the bootloader. But now HTC built in a bootloader version check. It wont allow you to flash a bootloader with an older version of the current bootloader. We tried changing the mainver in the misc partition and that's how we found that out. Then we tried to flash the RUU with the older 1.40 bootloader we got a "bootloader is older version" IEF from alpharev/revolutionary said "That's a new one" Him and I were on irc the other night trying to figure it out. At first we couldnt even get a RUU to run. That's when I discovered to get a RUU to run you first have to relock the phone(which you could unlock again after)
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Ok so would it be best if anyone who used the HTC unlock method to relock the phone via HTC and wait for you guys to come up with a exploit for the 1.50 hboot?

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SPreston2001 said:
Ok so would it be best if anyone who used the HTC unlock method to relock the phone via HTC and wait for you guys to come up with a exploit for the 1.50 hboot?
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you dont have to relock. Just the best bet is to hold off until revolutionary get's it working with the hboot 1.50. Hopefully soon they will figure it out. Or HTC gives us another update that fully unlocks us. I called HTC and started a case about this not fully unlocked nonsense. I told them if I void my warranty I should be able to flash whatever I want on my phone. the rep even did say "well even if you dont, it's your phone you should be able to do what you want with it" He logged my complaint and said they are actually looking for feedback on the bootloader unlock and said he will log the call and escalate it to them. I did ask if this was just a first step and if there would be a further update later and he said it was possible. Since this is the first time they are doing this they will most likely gather the feedback from the users and make the process better. How good my call did? probably not good at all. But I just kept telling the guy.. If I void my warranty I should be able to try to flash whatever I want to my phone, even if melted it and blew it into pieces. The rep for sure agreed with me.

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graffixnyc said:
you dont have to relock. Just the best bet is to hold off until revolutionary get's it working with the hboot 1.50. Hopefully soon they will figure it out. Or HTC gives us another update that fully unlocks us. I called HTC and started a case about this not fully unlocked nonsense. I told them if I void my warranty I should be able to flash whatever I want on my phone. the rep even did say "well even if you dont, it's your phone you should be able to do what you want with it" He logged my complaint and said they are actually looking for feedback on the bootloader unlock and said he will log the call and escalate it to them. I did ask if this was just a first step and if there would be a further update later and he said it was possible. Since this is the first time they are doing this they will most likely gather the feedback from the users and make the process better. How good my call did? probably not good at all. But I just kept telling the guy.. If I void my warranty I should be able to try to flash whatever I want to my phone, even if melted it and blew it into pieces. The rep for sure agreed with me.
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Ok thanks!! I helped my cousin unlock his phone via the HTC method because he didnt feel comfortable doing it alone. We were both surprised to learn that after unlocking the bootloader the phone still had S-On! Now can he still flash a custom rom and become rooted with S-On? Everytime we go into the bootloader and try to go into recovery we get a red triangle with a exclamation point in the middle. Im not sure if something went wrong in the unlocking process but now he just has a unlocked phone thats still not rooted.

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SPreston2001 said:
Ok thanks!! I helped my cousin unlock his phone via the HTC method because he didnt feel comfortable doing it alone. We were both surprised to learn that after unlocking the bootloader the phone still had S-On! Now can he still flash a custom rom and become rooted with S-On? Everytime we go into the bootloader and try to go into recovery we get a red triangle with a exclamation point in the middle. Im not sure if something went wrong in the unlocking process but now he just has a unlocked phone thats still not rooted.
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After you unlock you have to flash recovery. Then you'll be able to flash roms/root. But you can only flash 2.3.4 roms because of the kernel issue

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graffixnyc said:
After you unlock you have to flash recovery. Then you'll be able to flash roms/root. But you can only flash 2.3.4 roms because of the kernel issue
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From what I saw if you use there bootloader unlock you can then use an older RUU image to move back to an old hboot version then you can revolutionary it and get true s-off alot of hoops but you get there
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