see online on fnac.com or directly in stores.
en français: tablette HP TouchPad vendue à la FNAC à 99EUR pour la version 16g et 129EUR pour la version 32g, à partir de ce soir.
Enjoy!
Just ordered one with 32 GB online. Wait and see if I get it really as the availability is not guaranteed anymore.
Hehe, gonna grab mine tomorrow morning at 9am.
I wanna be one of the 1st to get there
Edit: Should i get 16 or 32G?
I ordered mine (32GB version) online, I hope I get it. It's a real steal for the money.
cant be shipped to germany :/
Only to France?
icecreammm said:
I ordered mine (32GB version) online, I hope I get it. It's a real steal for the money.
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Aren't you from Belgium? Do they ship internationally?
I just ordered mine to Czech Republic without issues. 13Euro shipping. And now it's in "Commande en préparation" state...which is something like "being prepared"?
I tried to order to Holland, shipping is only 12e, but it doesn't take debit card or paypal without a CC. So I get to suck it...
Damn it, i have no credit card, and no money on my paypal account
99€ TouchPad - Any hope for Germany or Austria ?
For about 6 hours im searching for online shops which are selling the Touchpad 16GB or 32GB in Germany or Austria.
And I found almost nothing - the HP Online Shop website is n/a and all other online shops are listing the Items with the original price of 399€+
Does someone know where I can get one or two of these Tablets in Austria or Germany for 99/129€?
+1, either DE/AT would be fine for me.... or even NL???
ordered it a few mins ago from Fnac.com to vienna ....worked well. now waiting.
My french is not that good. Can anybody help?
neither mine. just fill in the fields like any other amazon-like fields and try to guess the 1 or two u dont understand.
in my specific confirmation order its said:
dear "madame" - and well- im a sir
I'm almost done, thanks to google translator. The question is, will they ship to austria and what will the shipping cost ?
They are saying that the products may be shipped within 4 to 12 days.
Edit ...
well after confirming the shipping cost of 22€ for DHL - they kicked me out and said that there are no more products available ...
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My french is not that good. Can anybody help?
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Install google chrome and that will translate the whole page. Or you can copy paste into google translate in a separate window.
Apparently HP are deciding tonight what retailers get what stock and the prices will be amended tomorrow for most retailers.
Only one retailer in Ireland sold at the new price today. Sold out very fast!
Ordered one 16GB to Holland , hope they have enough
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I'm almost done, thanks to google translator. The question is, will they ship to austria and what will the shipping cost ?
They are saying that the products may be shipped within 4 to 12 days.
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Cost €12 to Ireland. Order SUBJECT TO STOCK LEVELS, they may not get the stock.
i tried and tried and now they have changed the price back to 451,54 €
Related
no local phone companys are offering the XDA /qtek..... phones
with a phone subscription which always lower the price of the phone
but i can buy the qtek 1010 64MB without a phone subscription but with sales tax (25%) it's 589.662 £ / 827.496 euRO
which is pretty high imho
are there anywhere in UK or germany or something like that where you can buy the XDA without a subscription much cheaper then that ?
(and are these places where they ship to other EU countries ?)
thanks for any help
Rudegar
How would £464 suit ya. This is a pretty good company I have bought lots from: Epansys.. has a warehouse in manchester.
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=XDA_SIMFREE
is the 464 with vat ?
and would the percel be a 0.5 or 1kg ?
check the webisite.. all the info is there..
it says 464 inc vat but as for delivery..not got a clue mate
ok are not too familier with the UK way to differing between with VAT and without VAT
European Union - FedEx Int. Priority
15.00 .5kg
24.02 1.0kg
25.66 1.5kg
27.25 2.0kg
28.85 2.5kg
Next day - 2 Days
anybody got any idea what it would weigh when sendt and it being bulk and all ?
thanks for the help btw
I managed to pick up a 32MB XDA for £150 from carphone warehouse - no plan either. Ex demo model which was as good as new. The SKU is XDAXDEMOSILVER if you want to check with your local CPW to see if they have any in stock.
Hi
I am sure you guys will know- eBay UK is a good cheap source for xdas and I got mine (64mb version) brand new for £290; no vat. You got to play safe and check out the seller; for me I got his number, send a cheque to a proper address with the cheque crossed so that it HAS to go into a bank account and made him send me a proper receipt. You can also use one of those escrow service which only pay the guy after you have received the set in good order. Right now this minute, there are 32 mb brand new phones advertised for £250. Most of these guys selling the new phones are folks who have contracts with O2 and doesn't need the upgrade xda and tried to make some money out of it. If you bid for one, I figure the 64mb version would be worth around £300 ish and the 32 mb version is about £200 ish. This is from observations over the last 3 months or so and of course there is an element of luck as to how many people were interested in your same bid.
Good luck :lol:
Vic
XDA for sale in Italy
XDA is coming for sale in Italy in July/August as Qtek 1010 from 3 operators.
Vodafone: will sell it only through their business channel at first, later in stores as Vodafone PDA. You can check www.190.it
WIND & TIM: both operators should go commercial very soon, I guess September.
Good thing is in Italy non of the operators lock the phones. Therefore you can go into ANY store and buy the device without a contract or so on
Daniele
Hi I am an Ipad user who is eager to move to the transformer Prime.
I would appreciate any advice regarding the following doubt I have.
You must be aware of the increase in price when asus "converts" the USD to Euros or Pounds. So I have been considering the option to buy the pad in the US and wait for the Spanish keyboard.
I have contacted several official sellers and they can mail me the tablet all right. However they do not provide many details regarding, how much the official taxes will be.
I also know that companies, like "Unibox" for sudamerica, are available to receive your product in the US and mail it to you for a price.
I wonder if anyone who has bought a phone or tablet in the US from Europe could share their experience with us.
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Hi I am an Ipad user who is eager to move to the transformer Prime.
I would appreciate any advice regarding the following doubt I have.
You must be aware of the increase in price when asus "converts" the USD to Euros or Pounds. So I have been considering the option to buy the pad in the US and wait for the Spanish keyboard.
I have contacted several official sellers and they can mail me the tablet all right. However they do not provide many details regarding, how much the official taxes will be.
I also know that companies, like "Unibox" for sudamerica, are available to receive your product in the US and mail it to you for a price.
I wonder if anyone who has bought a phone or tablet in the US from Europe could share their experience with us.
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I'm spanish and have bought the prime from amazon.de (i know german). Just the tablet, and will wait for the spanish dock to be on sale, because after contacting every retailer i know in spain, everyone has said "no info/not allowed to say" or "late january or even february" about spanish prime release date. For waiting the same time to get tablet + dock, without knowing where i will be able to buy, or what versions, i already ordered the german tablet and will wait with the tablet in my hands for the spanish dock, which should be in almost every retailer by the time it comes out.
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In my country:
599 USD = 2040 PLN + 23% VAT = 2512PLN
The price is said by ASUS Polska to be 2699 PLN. So it's quite close. Shops will sell it for 2499 in a few weeks.
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I'm spanish and have bought the prime from amazon.de (i know german). Just the tablet, and will wait for the spanish dock to be on sale, because after contacting every retailer i know in spain, everyone has said "no info/not allowed to say" or "late january or even february" about spanish prime release date. For waiting the same time to get tablet + dock, without knowing where i will be able to buy, or what versions, i already ordered the german tablet and will wait with the tablet in my hands for the spanish dock, which should be in almost every retailer by the time it comes out.
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Gracias
I guess I now have two reasons to buy it from another country...
Magnesus said:
In my country:
599 USD = 2040 PLN + 23% VAT = 2512PLN
The price is said by ASUS Polska to be 2699 PLN. So it's quite close. Shops will sell it for 2499 in a few weeks.
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That is very a interesting thing to know... I am glad to hear that in Poland you do not let international companies steal from you
The price in Sweden will initially be ~888USD including tax for 32gb champange with dock. (Only model that will be released in january)
Hello
I've been looking at getting a tablet, and my choice has fallen upon this beauty, the Transformer Prime.
I only have 1 problem at the moment, and that is obtaining it.
I live in Denmark, where it's not for sale yet (earlier pre orders are mid April, and i don't want to wait 3 weeks to perhaps get a chance to get one before they're sold out). So I've tried looking elsewhere to purchase one.
I'm mainly interested in the 32gb version (or 64 if possible), preferably gold colored and of course including the dock keyboard
I've found this one so far:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-EeePad...2ME4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332691285&sr=8-1
But was wondering if anyone else has some ideas where to find it cheaper / closer / better ?
If all goes well, I'm going to be ordering it one of the next few days
- Moon
You don't! Get it from Germany! Since this forum has a retarded post prevention I can't post any links, but google "preisvergleich" and look from there.
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You don't! Get it from Germany! Since this forum has a retarded post prevention I can't post any links, but google "preisvergleich" and look from there.
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I found this:
http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich...eee-pad-transformer-prime-32gb-grau-asus.html
But it's only about 100 danish kroner cheaper than the one from the UK (4550 from UK, 4450 from germany), and the one from the UK is from Amazon, and this one is from some german website i haven't heard of before :/
If that is even the one you meant? I tried googling the word you linked and that was the first website on google, and i went from there.
Ty for the try though, very much appreciated
You can post links even if you don't have the post, you'll just have to add some spaces in the link and use stuff like "[DOT]" instead of "."
Last time i checked computercity.dk they where in stock there.. So maybe u should check them out.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
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Last time i checked computercity.dk they where in stock there.. So maybe u should check them out.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
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They are indeed in stock on computercity.dk, only in Odense though, and its 500 kr more expensive than the one off Amazon.. But it would be a lot better if I bought it from a Danish company, in case it breaks or has flaws.. Hard choice tbh :/
Ty a lot for the tip
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D GSM using XDA
Hejsa
It has been for sale several places in denmark already.
I bought one from Føniks (fcomputers.dk) on the 29 february. But i dropped that one and broke it But thank god for insurance
And i ordered a new one from wupti.dk on Monday and i got that Wednesday.
You should just check Edbpriser.dk a few times a day to see if somebody get it in stock..
Hilsen Kenneth fra Danmark.
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Hejsa
It has been for sale several places in denmark already.
I bought one from Føniks (fcomputers.dk) on the 29 february. But i dropped that one and broke it But thank god for insurance
And i ordered a new one from wupti.dk on Monday and i got that Wednesday.
You should just check Edbpriser.dk a few times a day to see if somebody get it in stock..
Hilsen Kenneth fra Danmark.
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I've checked fcomputer.dk & wupti.dk. Neither of them even have the Transformer Prime on their website, anywhere.
I also check edbpriser.dk regularly, and all the ones that are listed are out of stock and wont come untill at the earliest 2nd april, some even near the end of april.
As predicted, I got paid today so I'm going to be ordering this baby some time either today or tomorrow
I bought mine at Amazon DE, you have 30 days to see if you like it or not.
Be aware that the dock/keyboard is German, meaning that some letters are not placed in same "position" as in the UK one.
If I was you, I would buy it at Amazon UK.
You do not pay shipping cost for the Prime.
I did not do that because at that time, Amazon DE was the first to have it in stock.
bimbobo said:
I bought mine at Amazon DE, you have 30 days to see if you like it or not.
Be aware that the dock/keyboard is German, meaning that some letters are not placed in same "position" as in the UK one.
If I was you, I would buy it at Amazon UK.
You do not pay shipping cost for the Prime.
I did not do that because at that time, Amazon DE was the first to have it in stock.
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I was looking at Amazon DE aswell, but also saw they were using QWERTZ keyboard setup (I think that's the one?) instead of QWERTY as normal english (and also danish) keyboards.
I'm in the process of ordering the Prime off Amazon UK, just trying to find a nice case/sleeve for it as well, to protect it
If anyone has any tips on the case/sleeve, feel free to post them
I use the english and the danish... with the tablet undocked.
No problem here is very nice.
I found no problems with "languages" in using the German one in this case.
I am also Italian... so I actually have 3 languages to use.
Looks like Amazon have the Huawei 128gb Nano Memory card up for pre order. It's quite expensive £54.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Huawei-Nan...d=1540543546&sr=8-6&keywords=nano+memory+card
I can't seem to find much other information about it, and it also seems odd that it just popped up on Amazon before anywhere else.
What do we think? Will other card manufacturers start making generics?
Hmmm... Usually sold by Huawei on Amazon US
Thank you for finding that! I'm very interested in getting one of these despite the high price. But I'm concerned about the seller on the Amazon UK sure in that link. Usually always sells their products themselves on the Amazon US site, I agree this sounds a bit odd. Has anyone heard of this seller or use them before?
Any other links to alternative sources that might be a bit more legitimate would be welcome as well
[I'm new so xda dev form is not letting me post a link to the seller's profile, but it's Tienda Siglo XXI]
49 euros in Amazon DE, seller is Amazon.
Thanks! No US delivery tho :-/
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49 euros in Amazon DE, seller is Amazon.
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Aaaaargh! So close and yet so far. Thank you very much for the link, best price I've seen.
Unfortunately they won't deliver that item to US. Following your lead, I saw one other (non Amazon) seller there on Amazon.DE but they won't ship to US either. It will let me add to cart but I get errors when trying to check out that there is no US delivery.
I really appreciate the help... The search continues, and unfortunately may need to resort to a third party eBay thing when that becomes a viable option.
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Aaaaargh! So close and yet so far. Thank you very much for the link, best price I've seen.
Unfortunately they won't deliver that item to US. Following your lead, I saw one other (non Amazon) seller there on Amazon.DE but they won't ship to US either. It will let me add to cart but I get errors when trying to check out that there is no US delivery.
I really appreciate the help... The search continues, and unfortunately may need to resort to a third party eBay thing when that becomes a viable option.
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If the seller is Amazon they will ship to the US regardless of what the site says. Ordered the super car charger last week and it shipped today to the US from the UK even though the site says won't ship to the US.
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If the seller is Amazon they will ship to the US regardless of what the site says. Ordered the super car charger last week and it shipped today to the US from the UK even though the site says won't ship to the US.
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Thanks for heads up and sharing your experience, perhaps it only works for Amazon UK (which unfortunately does not seem to list the NanoMemory card at all), but it doesn't seem to be true for Amazon DE.
Even though the 49EUR NanoMemory card for Mate 20 Pro is sold by Amazon it will not let me check out with a US shipping address (I tried several different US address).
I hey there following message and only the option to delete it from my cart, not purchase:
Huawei NanoMemory 128G Memory Card for Mate20/Mate20 Pro
There was a problem with some of the items in your order (see below for more information):
Sorry, this item can't be sent to your selected address. Learn more. You may either change the delivery address or delete the item from your order.
The quest continues... I messaged all the Mate 20 Pro sellers I could find on eBay and all except one said unambiguously that they will not sell any Mate 20 Pro accessories. That one seller may offer accessories, time will tell if they follow through.
These were in stock a few days ago on Amazon UK.
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These were in stock a few days ago on Amazon UK.
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Currently on backorder with expected stock date of 9th Nov
And the price has dropped a little (well actually % wise quite a bit)
Still twice the price of a regular 128gb micro sd card
who's going to be the first person to try "adapting" a standard SD card to fit ;o)
panman1964 said:
who's going to be the first person to try "adapting" a standard SD card to fit ;o)
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That was my first thought as well
jcrompton said:
That was my first thought as well
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poop
Judging by the info at the link below I suspect that it would be a very big challenge given the difference in size & contact layout
https://www.mymemory.co.uk/blog/the-new-nano-memory-card-included-in-huaweis-mate-20-phones/
I've ordered the one supposedly available on amazon with an expected delivery date of November 12/13th let's see.
Huawei NanoMemory 128G Memory Card for Mate20/Mate20 Pro https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07JCF56KF/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_g5P2Bb26X94DH
Has anyone found where we can purchase these nano memory cards ?. .
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Has anyone found where we can purchase these nano memory cards ?. .
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I've seen them on ebay.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/253946995276
Available at China:
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?s...d=579884666832&sku_properties=5919063:6536025
Mines out for delivery today. Ordered from DE Amazon to UK.
I also ordered from Amazon DE, original delivery date was 14 November, then last week it changed to 6-8 November. But not yet shipped...
EDIT: now says shipped, delivery on 8 November
Received today form Amazon.co.uk. Fits fine however doesn't come with any kind of adapter to plug into a computer so the only way to put existing stuff onto it is connecting phone to PC via USB lead
Card just received today. Will try and see how it works.
I put in an order for thr 9t with MiGlobalStore on Aliexpress.
And 4 days later, its not shipped and seller doesnt even read any of my messages LOL
Like, wow, is this normal? By normal, i meant, is this the standard on Aliexpress?
Should i have bought it from Gearbest?
I have purchased my Mi 9T 128GB, blue from Gearbest for 310€. The device has been already shipped. Have to wait 10-15 days for arrival. Will report then.
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So its been 6 days, there is no reply from Mi Global Store on Aliexpress (and its still not shipped). Evem after i habe requested to cancel the order and asked Aliexpress customer representative to inform the seller, nothing. LOL
I dont know whats going on and how this store can manage to be alive for this long. But so far the shopping exoereience has been the worst.
Patience, it will arrive don't worry. As i recall correctly when they give you the DHL (or whatever else - if you chose the DHL shipment) tracking number it only goes live once the package leaves china and starts either from the UK (EU orders) or what ever else warehouse in north America.
I'm now torn between either MI global store - Goldway or Xiaomi Mi store. Don't know if there is any difference at all, but all I know is that if you using those Grey market resellers, you can forget any kind of warranty - RMA cases whatsoever.
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Patience, it will arrive don't worry. As i recall correctly when they give you the DHL (or whatever else - if you chose the DHL shipment) tracking number it only goes live once the package leaves china and starts either from the UK (EU orders) or what ever else warehouse in north America.
I'm now torn between either MI global store - Goldway or Xiaomi Mi store. Don't know if there is any difference at all, but all I know is that if you using those Grey market resellers, you can forget any kind of warranty - RMA cases whatsoever.
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Well thats if they give you a DHL tracking number lol They did not give me any info nor respond to my messages lol
I woulf actually try GearBest, if they cancel my order as i requested.
I bought mine on Rakuten site, (Europe, France), from order to arrive in my hands i had wait 6days. 354eur i paid for 128GB, now we can find even for 310eur 128GB
The only thing that's bothering me on rakuten is, that i cannot see anywhere who the seller is. Either it is not writen anywhere or im blind....
Like this for example :
https://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/off...9t-6go-128go-dual-sim-redmi-k20-debloque.html
I see, its a reseller from another site. eglobalcenter
you can see very well that seller is central-FR but it is from china. If you go here https://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/mfp/5849175/xiaomi-mi-9t?pid=3974212410 and scroll down you will find mishopFR 314,38eur
then GTMobe 314,39eur then Kirin 319,99eur,... all this are from europe. all they sell under rakuten site
never_msrp on eBay. Very fast shipping, no problems.
Around $400 for the 128Gb, I didn't realize there was sales tax.
Just for the input and in case anyone in Mexico is reading, I bought it from Doto (a local reseller), they offer warranty over 1 year so that's nice, and it cost me about 45 extra dollars, bit I think it's worth it, they ship it the next 2 days.
Cancel Aliexpress order, because you can get Xiaomi Mi 9T Global version from Gearbest for ~261 euros! Just use this coupon: GBMI9T500
Link to phone: Gearbest
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I bought mine on Rakuten site, (Europe, France), from order to arrive in my hands i had wait 6days. 354eur i paid for 128GB, now we can find even for 310eur 128GB
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Sadly rakuten doesnt ship to canada lol im already used to stores doing this lol
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never_msrp on eBay. Very fast shipping, no problems.
Around $400 for the 128Gb, I didn't realize there was sales tax.
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Yea...thats the other thing, 13% sales tax here lol
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you can see very well that seller is central-FR but it is from china. If you go here https://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/mfp/5849175/xiaomi-mi-9t?pid=3974212410 and scroll down you will find mishopFR 314,38eur
then GTMobe 314,39eur then Kirin 319,99eur,... all this are from Europe. all they sell under rakuten site
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Yep saw it a bit later (edited post). So I basically can order from allix in that case.
meskafonas said:
Cancel Aliexpress order, because you can get Xiaomi Mi 9T Global version from Gearbest for ~261 euros! Just use this coupon: GBMI9T500
Link to phone: Gearbest
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Thats a damn good offer, too bad there is only the black variant.
But here is a link from an Italian store (proven) with a 2 I repeat 2 year warranty.
https://grossoshop.net/products/xiaomi-mi-9t-global?variant=23270107938874
Bought my Mi 9T on trading shenzhen for 380€ and I got my unit after like 2-3 days.
I got mine from there also, it arrived in 3 days.
Pejpi said:
Yep saw it a bit later (edited post). So I basically can order from allix in that case.
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yes you can order from aliexpress, but if from rakuten, and seller from europe, you will not pay extra money for customs or taxes, and very often you can find cupons on rakuten , for example when i order it was 30eur offer for over 300eur shopping.
and if you buy on rakuten you will get points ( if you register as member ), i got 1700points what is 17eur, and after you can buy some other things in value of 17eur on rakuten ( for free, you pay with that points ).
just writing this , not to push you to buy.
Update on MiGlobalStore purchase:
So apparently many peoplr have commented on the store news pages, and they are complaining about how they purchased phones and the seller never respond to message nor ship thier phones. This started near end of June, till now.
Dont know what happened to this store but I am cancelling the order.
According to Aliexpress customer service, only the seller can accept the cancellation, which means if the seller does not respond, my money will be held by aliexpress for 40 days. That is just great. And thats probably what will end up happening, since the MiGlobalStore doesnt seem to care about no sh*t at all LOL
I didnt want to wait so i put in an order drom gearbest, and they shipped it (DHL shipping number provided, at least) right away. Will see how that goes.
For now, my gut feeling is: stay the hell away from MiGlobalStore, no matter if you get what you bought in the end, the overall experience is not gonna be smooth for ya.
You mind posting a link of the store pages?
I'm actually rather interested in the story. But I guarantee you that whatever you order will arrive at your doorstep, some people were waiting for a month. But something like that can be delayed in some many different ways. There is just no possible way that they gonna sell 1k phones and not ship them, that's something even AliX would not let happen.
I suppose they just have a bunch of workers shipping what ever crap they need to all day and all night. And have a "dedicated" chat team just on paper to please the minimum requirements to open a online shop on Alix.
But yeah, all in all who doesn't like that should definitely look elsewhere.
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You mind posting a link of the store pages?
I'm actually rather interested in the story. But I guarantee you that whatever you order will arrive at your doorstep, some people were waiting for a month. But something like that can be delayed in some many different ways. There is just no possible way that they gonna sell 1k phones and not ship them, that's something even AliX would not let happen.
I suppose they just have a bunch of workers shipping what ever crap they need to all day and all night. And have a "dedicated" chat team just on paper to please the minimum requirements to open a online shop on Alix.
But yeah, all in all who doesn't like that should definitely look elsewhere.
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Mi Global Store
https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/bQQcRHbi
Go to the "Feed" tab and open the comments under their (many) posts.
I mean, the price i paid on gearbest is 10 dollars less than this store for the same product, so, with this kinda customer service, to me it is very obvious which to choose lol