So I've read a bunch on this from all sorts of sites. I believe this to be possible, but need some help with the technical aspect of this.
I posted in the Thunderbolt section because it is probably closest to the Evo 3d, from a hardware standpoint, and need info on how the thunderbolt is configured.
I can get it activated that is not an issue.
A few questions:
1) How to get the phone talking to the network?
I've updated to the verizon prl, and when I *228 I get the verizon programming prompts, but It won't update programming due to not being activated.
2)Do you think the Thunderbolt radio will work with the Evo 3d?
2a) If not, would it be possible to merge the T-bolt radio code with the Evo radio code to create a hybrid?
3)Settings, would any know the ##3282# settings for the verizon network.
If you could post the non-personal info that would really help. Please exclude MEIDs, phone numbers, etc.
I understand this is difficult, I've also read the posts, "Why not just go to sprint?", I'm not interested in those responses. This is a challenge, and I'd like to complete it.
Dev's what do you know?
The sprint 4g network isn't compatible with Verizon's as sprint uses wimax and verizon uses lte so the radios would be completely different hardware.
In theory since sprint and verizon phone are both capable of useing the same cdma frequencies 1900mhz and 800mhz you should be able to get 3g working
The question becomes why would you want to use verizon if you cant take advantage of the 4g. And also why would you come here insted of just googleing your question
Search this
Activate Sprint phone on Verizon, Altell, etc... Network. - PPCGeeks and it might help
And why wouldn't you post it in Q&A where it belongs or in the EVO 3D forum? I predict a short life for this thread.....
I did post in evo 3d, and it was moved to Q+A. Apparently the dev forums are to advertise Rom, kernals, etc. for the devs. Not actual development.
nutrulz said:
I did post in evo 3d, and it was moved to Q+A. Apparently the dev forums are to advertise Rom, kernals, etc. for the devs. Not actual development.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, they are to post development. What you're asking is definitely Q&A. Devs do spend time at Q&A. I see them answer questions regularly. What do you think the EVO 3D has in common with a Tbolt?
Aren't they basically the same phone, just with a second camera? Same form factor, processor, memory, etc?
SubliminalME said:
Aren't they basically the same phone, just with a second camera? Same form factor, processor, memory, etc?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nope. Totally different CPU. It's running a Snapdragon S3, as opposed the the Tbolt's S2. The memory is the same. More advanced GPU. Faster USB. The screen is a bit different because of the linticular 3D feature. The CDMA radio might be similar. If my understanding is right, he's gonna need to find a ROM from the Tbolt that's been ported to the EVO 3D so that the data will work since Sprint and Verizon use different device authentication for data service. I'm not even sure that's possible since the devices are so very different. If what they say is true, and the Tbolt replacement more closely matches EVO 3D specs, I think finding a ROM ported to the 3D will be easier, or possibly the tools to make it work across networks. As it stands, they just don't have a lot in common.
Well it can be done, just follow these steps:
1. Switch to Sprint
2. Load a Verizon PRL onto the Evo 3D
3. Enjoy until they kick you off in a few months for roaming too much.
Other than that, the only other possible way would be if Verizon added the ESN to their phone list, and the chances of that happening are..... well, zero.
Unfortunately, they do this so you can only get the equipment from either them, or by private seller (ebay,CL) and they can put more cash in their pockets. It may be possible to do this in about 10 years when everything is LTE, as (please correct me if i'm incorrect) the net neutrality laws do not allow carriers to limit the types of phones accepted on the network, and you can potentially switch 4GLTE sim cards between phones of different networks. Unfortunately (again), it seems that AT&T and Verizon are going to be using different frequencies for their LTE networks, so it seems that this idea won't work either. Looks like they win again.
Topher227 said:
Well it can be done, just follow these steps:
1. Switch to Sprint
2. Load a Verizon PRL onto the Evo 3D
3. Enjoy until they kick you off in a few months for roaming too much.
Other than that, the only other possible way would be if Verizon added the ESN to their phone list, and the chances of that happening are..... well, zero.
Unfortunately, they do this so you can only get the equipment from either them, or by private seller (ebay,CL) and they can put more cash in their pockets. It may be possible to do this in about 10 years when everything is LTE, as (please correct me if i'm incorrect) the net neutrality laws do not allow carriers to limit the types of phones accepted on the network, and you can potentially switch 4GLTE sim cards between phones of different networks. Unfortunately (again), it seems that AT&T and Verizon are going to be using different frequencies for their LTE networks, so it seems that this idea won't work either. Looks like they win again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
GSM SIM cards aren't frequency specific. So long as the handset functions on those bands it should work. In Europe, Mecha of GSM, carriers cannot sell contract-subsidized phones so the SIM must work regardless of the band the carrier uses. LTE is a subset of GSM, and if the same rules apply, there shouldn't be an issue.
Yes it can be done, but the wimax would be completely worthless and it would require a ESN/MEID clone/donor device which is technically illegal other than a few remote clauses that are often read WAAAAY to loosely. In short, just wait for the device on verizon or switch. IF you really want to do it, there are folks that can step you through it if you google enough.
loonatik78 said:
Nope. Totally different CPU. It's running a Snapdragon S3, as opposed the the Tbolt's S2. The memory is the same. More advanced GPU. Faster USB. The screen is a bit different because of the linticular 3D feature. The CDMA radio might be similar. If my understanding is right, he's gonna need to find a ROM from the Tbolt that's been ported to the EVO 3D so that the data will work since Sprint and Verizon use different device authentication for data service. I'm not even sure that's possible since the devices are so very different. If what they say is true, and the Tbolt replacement more closely matches EVO 3D specs, I think finding a ROM ported to the 3D will be easier, or possibly the tools to make it work across networks. As it stands, they just don't have a lot in common.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm really looking for a solution to the connectivity issue. I'm not worried about WiMax, just the 3g capabilities. I know I can get it added to the verizon db, and I already have Verizon service. I'm looking for real solutions, not "switch to Sprint".
Loonatik is on the track I'm thinking of. I know I need settings changes that I can make, but don't have the info for.
I'm NOT going to do a ESN/MEID swap, not worth the risk.
Topher227 said:
Well it can be done, just follow these steps:
1. Switch to Sprint
2. Load a Verizon PRL onto the Evo 3D
3. Enjoy until they kick you off in a few months for roaming too much.
Other than that, the only other possible way would be if Verizon added the ESN to their phone list, and the chances of that happening are..... well, zero.
Unfortunately, they do this so you can only get the equipment from either them, or by private seller (ebay,CL) and they can put more cash in their pockets. It may be possible to do this in about 10 years when everything is LTE, as (please correct me if i'm incorrect) the net neutrality laws do not allow carriers to limit the types of phones accepted on the network, and you can potentially switch 4GLTE sim cards between phones of different networks. Unfortunately (again), it seems that AT&T and Verizon are going to be using different frequencies for their LTE networks, so it seems that this idea won't work either. Looks like they win again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually, it is possible but not with a phone that uses a SIM to store all the configuration. It uses a different registration method than the phones that do not require a SIM. Besides, any phone not specifically designed for LTE won't support the 4G data anyway.
Related
How possible is[nt] this?
Anyone got a clue? I would love t move, BUT I don't have $350 for a new mogul [vx6800]
I gather this isn't legally possible without having Sprint unlock your phone (which they said they'll start doing, AFTER contracts run out), and then having Verizon permit your unlocked phone onto their network.
There are probably ways of doing it yourself, but they're not legal. And they require more intimate knowledge of the phone networks than I possess.
Yes and no
Greetings,
It would work as the devices are pretty much the same, major diff is the MSL. Sprint uses an algorithm to compute this code based on ESN, where Verizon just uses 000000 on all units. This could be changed easily and you could even have a ROM cooked up that would load the VZW applications loaded up. Where you run into a problem is that both carriers look at the ESN range that your unit falls in and will deny you just simply based on that alone. It is a rule of the carrier as opposed it not working. Maybe they will open the rules one day, as they actually do use the same CDMA network, as a consultant I work on Sprint, VZW, Alltel, and many others systems.
The way I see it, if sprint is allowing the phones to go global, then it should work. I remember in the days when i was in love with the e815 for vzw. The e816 came out, which is a black version, but it was only for amped mobile. I was able to swap out the rom and then use the e816 on verizons network. I'm not sure if its the same for sprint, but maybe since they're all cdma phones anyway.
I'm tempted to try a VZW ROM on my phone and see what happens... I got as friend with VZW I could call in and try to activate under her account... Maybe I'll try it.
I'm a noob here, but other places i'm not. I have read VERY many posts and the gist of owning a thunderbolt is that it only work(ed) on CDMA VZ so it is not compatible with GSM although it has a SIM card because its is/was locked to VZ only frequencies.
Just to make sure, I called VZ to attempt to get an unlock code saying I was going on a trip overseas and needed my phone to work. I was told that if I upgraded via the OTA to ICS, my device would then be compatible with GSM and I could simply use any SIM card in my phone and get it to work.
What I am trying to do is move over to straightalk away from VZ.
Instead of unrooting, I flashed the radios and ROM available on this site and ICS is up and running.
So has anyone tried straight talk yet on ICS?
That doesn't sound right to me but I would be interested in finding out whether or not it works. From what I understood about the antenna in this phone is that it is locked in on the 700mhz band at a hardware level. Also there are no settings to change to GSM in the network settings.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
Hmmm. Don't know why tech support would lie though -- especially when I waited online for about 30 minutes throughout the conversation. I've been a customer since 1997. He even said, after I switched to ICS, simply insert new SIM and I'm ready to go.
disconnecktie said:
That doesn't sound right to me but I would be interested in finding out whether or not it works. From what I understood about the antenna in this phone is that it is locked in on the 700mhz band at a hardware level. Also there are no settings to change to GSM in the network settings.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They may not be lying but rather don't know what they are talking about lol. They are wrong all the time. Just because we have a sim doesn't mean that putting a gsm sim in makes it possible to use on other networks. Give it a try maybe they finally did make it possible. Like I said I thought at a hardware level this phone was permitted from using gsm bands.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
RE: Thunderbolt to straight talk
Granted, they may be wrong. But, all the many hours of reading I have done, says that CDMA only phones don't have SIM cards and my TB does. And per another posts GSM in the USA operates on more frequencies than abroad. Why would HTC create a phone with a SIM card if there was no reason because it was only CDMA?
Regardless, I purchased a ST SIM and an unlimited plan to try out. I'll post back after I see if I wasted my $$$ or not.
The LTE frequency Verizon uses is actually a GSM which is one reason. Verizon owns the upper c block of the 700mhz spectrum. Also, because Verizon is originally a CDMA carrier they had to use another antenna in all LTE phones in order for them to function. The LTE antenna uses data only. It is not equipped to make phone calls unless a phone call is already in progress in which case the phone is routed through the LTE antenna and is then made over the data connection much like VoIP.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
disconnecktie is right, the Thunderbolt can not connect to GSM services. The sim card is not a GSM sim card, its is a 4g LTE sim card. Just because its called a sim and looks similar, does not mean they are the same. The guy you spoke with on the phone probably knew nothing about the Thunderbolt and just assumed that because it has a sim card it would connect to GSM networks.
understandably.
Milimbar said:
disconnecktie is right, the Thunderbolt can not connect to GSM services. The sim card is not a GSM sim card, its is a 4g LTE sim card. Just because its called a sim and looks similar, does not mean they are the same. The guy you spoke with on the phone probably knew nothing about the Thunderbolt and just assumed that because it has a sim card it would connect to GSM networks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
"The LTE antenna uses data only. It is not equipped to make phone calls unless a phone call is already in progress in which case the phone is routed through the LTE antenna and is then made over the data connection much like VoIP."
So theoretically, if there is an LTE only antenna....how does a call get routed regularly when LTE networks (such as 1G and 3G) occur when LTE network isn't available to pass the information over the data connection? More than one antenna?
I'm not expecting this card to work in and of itself. I'm going to swap out another GSM to see if after ICS upgrade, it is actually opened as promised. Now if it doesn't have the requisite antenna, that's understandable, but in that case, why theoretically couldn't I just get a GSM antenna and swap it out for the CDMA one? Can't be any worse than replacing a wireless card in a laptop?
Based upon the "answer" given to me by VZ tech support, I have to wonder if there really is a different antenna or simply the "sim" card installed locks it into the frequency -- and the OS lock(ed) into the sim card previously. A SIm card is essentially what allows you to communicate with a carrier afterall.
Definitely interested if this works, thanks for attempting this
Sent from my ADR6400L using xda premium
All the LTE sim does is authenticate your phone on the network. That is the reason *228 is no longer needed.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
The thunderbolt does not support GSM. It has 3 radios, two 3g cdma which enables svdo or simultaneously voice and data over 3g. FYI some new 4g phones won't do this. The LTE is data only and no phone calls are placed over LTE on any phone for vzw. VZW is not setup for voip yet and that won't start until at least 2014. The thunderbolt is not global ready even with ics. There is no apn info to edit. This all has been discussed many times over the last two years.
Sent from my A100 using Tapatalk 2
Just to clarify I wasn't saying the thunderbolt uses VoIP but that svdo is similar is all.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
disconnecktie said:
Just to clarify I wasn't saying the thunderbolt uses VoIP but that svdo is similar is all.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm no cell tech and I get what you were trying to say. I apologize the last part of my post was a little rude. I don’t think voip and svdo are even close, I admit I could be wrong. Voip uses a data connection to place calls while svdo uses the cellular connection for calls and data. If you place the phone into airplane mode, connect to wifi you would not be able to place a call. If you had voip you'd be able to place a call. I know many carriers offer some sort of 3g to network extender that creates a similar type of connection.
Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
Svdo also makes it so that calls can be placed over 4g when it is present which is like VoIP. Either way I know it isn't exactly the same but was merely using VoIP for a comparison.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
disconnecktie said:
Svdo also makes it so that calls can be placed over 4g when it is present which is like VoIP. Either way I know it isn't exactly the same but was merely using VoIP for a comparison.
Sent from my ADR6400L using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In my original post above I incorrectly used VoIP when I should have used VoLTE, I knew what i wanted to say, but used the wrong terms which can lead to confusion and this is all to the best of my understanding
The Thunderbolt as with all 3G cell phones make phones calls over 1x voice network while data is handled by 3G network. The thunderbolt does not make any phone calls over 3G or LTE, it has multiple radios which allow SVDO, a 1x for voice calls, a 3G radio, and a LTE radio. Calls are placed over 1x and data is handled by 3G or LTE whichever is available.
The link below has a good discussion and more clarification on the Thunderbolt when it was first released.
http://androidforums.com/htc-thunde...ort-voice-over-lte-when-verizon-launches.html
revisited
dms76 said:
The thunderbolt does not support GSM. It has 3 radios, two 3g cdma which enables svdo or simultaneously voice and data over 3g. FYI some new 4g phones won't do this. The LTE is data only and no phone calls are placed over LTE on any phone for vzw. VZW is not setup for voip yet and that won't start until at least 2014. The thunderbolt is not global ready even with ics. There is no apn info to edit. This all has been discussed many times over the last two years.
Sent from my A100 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I realize that it has been "talked" about. But based upon conversations with VZ support perhaps it was time to rehash it based upon what I was told.
As far as the APN to edit -- after ICS update (non over the air -- the one provided here). See screenshot. There is even a folder created on the SD called APN Backup restore.
My phone is rooted using revolutionary and running the ICS deodexed, etc. found on xda-developers.
Based upon what I was told by VZ tech support, I purchased a ST test SIM with unlimited service. I installed it today and get SIM card is from an unknown source. I googled that and it appears to be locked. I thought I was unlocked and rooted using revolutionary. But now I question that. So am I truly unlocked like I thought I was? I then tried getting the unlock code using fastboot as per instructions on HTC's development site using oem get_identifier_token waiting for device, and I get stuck at "waiting for device" with no information ever coming up. The only way I appear to be able to communicate w device using ADB is by letting the phone boot then connecting it via usb using debugging mode, and always awake, then it appears as a device, but that's where I get that waiting for device message.
Meanwhile, with the ST card in it's downloading email. I just cannot send.
wrkrbee said:
I realize that it has been "talked" about. But based upon conversations with VZ support perhaps it was time to rehash it based upon what I was told.
As far as the APN to edit -- after ICS update (non over the air -- the one provided here). See screenshot. There is even a folder created on the SD called APN Backup restore.
My phone is rooted using revolutionary and running the ICS deodexed, etc. found on xda-developers.
Based upon what I was told by VZ tech support, I purchased a ST test SIM with unlimited service. I installed it today and get SIM card is from an unknown source. I googled that and it appears to be locked. I thought I was unlocked and rooted using revolutionary. But now I question that. So am I truly unlocked like I thought I was? I then tried getting the unlock code using fastboot as per instructions on HTC's development site using oem get_identifier_token waiting for device, and I get stuck at "waiting for device" with no information ever coming up. The only way I appear to be able to communicate w device using ADB is by letting the phone boot then connecting it via usb using debugging mode, and always awake, then it appears as a device, but that's where I get that waiting for device message.
Meanwhile, with the ST card in it's downloading email. I just cannot send.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your phone is S-off, and rooted, unlocked is totally different. Unlocked means that verizon has allowed that phone to be used on other networks and carriers. You should really do some research, you will find that the thunderbolt will somewhat work on straight talk for a little while, then they will kick you off the network. Just google it instead of questioning everything people say here as they are just trying to help you and you seem to want to do nothing but argue anything that is said.
Milimbar said:
Your phone is S-off, and rooted, unlocked is totally different. Unlocked means that verizon has allowed that phone to be used on other networks and carriers. You should really do some research, you will find that the thunderbolt will somewhat work on straight talk for a little while, then they will kick you off the network. Just google it instead of questioning everything people say here as they are just trying to help you and you seem to want to do nothing but argue anything that is said.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
First off, I'm not trying to "argue" with anyone. If these forums are not to ask questions, then what are they for? With that said, as I previously stated, I have spent HOURS which have amounted to DAYS reading not only the forums here and elsewhere and the information conflicts -- and I may have updated information who the heck knows. You never know when there is false information out there floating around and when it becomes outdated -- and the only way to update that information is by sharing upon these types of forums, I would think. You take your car to an automechanic and he tells you the entire transmission needs to be changed, do you just say ok or do you ask questions until you can fully understand the scope, do you do research, and if that research conflicts, do you ask for a second opinion or simply tell him, ok, go ahead and change it?
Milimbar said:
Your phone is S-off, and rooted, unlocked is totally different. Unlocked means that verizon has allowed that phone to be used on other networks and carriers.
And as far as unlocked by Verizon, I followed a post until I reached an HTC forum indicating it can be unlocked for all carriers....by replacing the carrier OEM identifier token with an unlock code in binary format from HTC. See what I have pritned and attached.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think your issue is you read too much into this. Yes, your phone cane be unlocked, it can run on other carriers and networks.
Your phone can however only use CDMA carriers and networks. Just because it can be unlocked does not mean it can be used on networks that do not support the hardware your phone was made with. nothing can be done with software to change that.
Your second problem is, you are misunderstanding terms, and HTC them self are not helping this. The PDF files you linked say unlocking, they refer to unlocking the bootloader, meaning you gain S-off (you can flash files) The unlocking you are questioning here is to get your phone working on another network.
Those 2 things are entirely different.
A phone is designed to work on specific frequencies when it is designed. Some phones are CDMA phones, some are GSM phones, and some are global (they use both). This is a hardware thing. Nothing changes this once the phone has been made. Our Thunderbolts are CDMA phones, unfortunately we can not just up and go to AT&T or anywhere we want with this phone.
I am sorry for being argumentative with my last post, you are right this is a place to discuss issues like this.
If you search for StraightTalk you'll find that it may be both CDMA and GSM supported depending on where you live. If you search for Thunderbolt other carrier you'll find that some people have had limited success with missing functions getting it to work on other carriers.
If Your switching to another carrier, buy a phone for that carrier or a global phone. It's a lot of work getting a phone to work on another carrier and you can get a smartphone better than your thunderbolt for a low price on a MNVO. If your dead serous on taking your thunderbolt to another carrier it loks like Page plus is going to be your best bet. USE EXTREME CAUTION when flashing your phone as you could brick it and it would do you no good at all.
I've never flashed a phone to a different CDMA provider so I thought I'd ask here first and see if anyone had knowledge of how to do this? Or point me in the right direction to somewhere to learn how to? I've unlocked the GSM radio for use on att already and I'm sure it's a similar procedure, but I followed a guide to do this and have little experience with it. Thanks in advance to anyone that has information on this.
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
*BUMP*
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
Corutesy bump for wanting to switch the rezound I'm getting soon to Virgin Mobile.
sent from GSN2 using Tapatalk 4
---------- Post added at 04:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:44 AM ----------
Also, how did you go about unlocking your phone? If you unlocked the gsm attenna. I assume that the phone is fully unlocked and you should just be able to switch it over. As long as it isn't on another account I.e. Verizon.
sent from GSN2 using Tapatalk 4
anubis2k3 said:
I've never flashed a phone to a different CDMA provider so I thought I'd ask here first and see if anyone had knowledge of how to do this? Or point me in the right direction to somewhere to learn how to? I've unlocked the GSM radio for use on att already and I'm sure it's a similar procedure, but I followed a guide to do this and have little experience with it. Thanks in advance to anyone that has information on this.
Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The CDMA providers blacklist phones from being used on other CDMA providers networks. "Flashing" in this sense is stealing and ESN/IMEI from an existing phone and cloning it to your phone. Not only is it extremely risky for your hardware, it is extremely against the law and cannot be discussed on these forums.
Certain phones like the Rezound and the Dinc4G have additional feature of GSM radios added for compatibility with oversea networks, you aren't really flashing anything so much as the phone reconfigures itself for GSM or CDMA depending on what kind of SIM card it finds.
Insertnamehere12 said:
The CDMA providers blacklist phones from being used on other CDMA providers networks. "Flashing" in this sense is stealing and ESN/IMEI from an existing phone and cloning it to your phone. Not only is it extremely risky for your hardware, it is extremely against the law and cannot be discussed on these forums.
Certain phones like the Rezound and the Dinc4G have additional feature of GSM radios added for compatibility with oversea networks, you aren't really flashing anything so much as the phone reconfigures itself for GSM or CDMA depending on what kind of SIM card it finds.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Umm. Not true at all actually. I had a P+ dealer switch over my phone with a bad esn (mother in law didnt pah her bill) and they didn't use a "friend" phone. It doesn't require stealing a phones imei or anything it requires a lot of work to port it to a different carrier, but doesn't require anything illegal. Not to mention what you're talking about is also based on the staye you are in. In the states it js legal as long as you aren't copying two have two phones on one service and is completely legal ( state dependant) if you own both phones. Check your facts.
sent from a small tablet aka N2
jameyscott said:
Corutesy bump for wanting to switch the rezound I'm getting soon to Virgin Mobile.
sent from GSN2 using Tapatalk 4
---------- Post added at 04:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:44 AM ----------
Also, how did you go about unlocking your phone? If you unlocked the gsm attenna. I assume that the phone is fully unlocked and you should just be able to switch it over. As long as it isn't on another account I.e. Verizon.
sent from GSN2 using Tapatalk 4
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
as far as using it on gsm networks, yeah its possible you just need to either do some things (I could dig up a link if you want) on stock and have it kinda work, or find a rom that supports it and flash that (recommended, what i'm gonna be doing). and flashing phones to other networks i am pretty sure is illegal, i know from experience, i tried to work that out on xda and they sent me away saying this isnt a topic allowed of these forums, so if you still want to know about carrier flashing i suggest another forum
but anyways just making sure i am following you right, you want to gsm unlock but want to use it on virgin mobile (a CDMA network?)
blu422 said:
as far as using it on gsm networks, yeah its possible you just need to either do some things (I could dig up a link if you want) on stock and have it kinda work, or find a rom that supports it and flash that (recommended, what i'm gonna be doing). and flashing phones to other networks i am pretty sure is illegal, i know from experience, i tried to work that out on xda and they sent me away saying this isnt a topic allowed of these forums, so if you still want to know about carrier flashing i suggest another forum
but anyways just making sure i am following you right, you want to gsm unlock but want to use it on virgin mobile (a CDMA network?)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK. Well it makes sense now why I'm not getting much help on this topic. Anyone know of a forum for this kind of stuff?
Sent from my Galaxy...far...far...away...
It should be possible, I've gotten as far as getting the NV values on both radios, but it seems as the 9k wants to search for signal on 800mhz only, at least according to DFS.
The Thunderbolt is able to get 3g working on Boost/VM/etc. at least from what I've seen. Considering the similarity between it and the Rezound I was hoping it would be easier...
-- Starfox
blu422 said:
as far as using it on gsm networks, yeah its possible you just need to either do some things (I could dig up a link if you want) on stock and have it kinda work, or find a rom that supports it and flash that (recommended, what i'm gonna be doing). and flashing phones to other networks i am pretty sure is illegal, i know from experience, i tried to work that out on xda and they sent me away saying this isnt a topic allowed of these forums, so if you still want to know about carrier flashing i suggest another forum
but anyways just making sure i am following you right, you want to gsm unlock but want to use it on virgin mobile (a CDMA network?)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Flashing phones to different networks aren't illegal. It is a state dependant thing. I went and had my note 2 flashed over at a business in the middle of a bestbuy, guitar center, more big businesses. (Aka, big businesses near ~ not a shady place)
Yes, I know that Virgin Mobile is CDMA. I wanted to know how to unlock the GSM antenna purely for education purposes.
sent from a small tablet aka N2
jameyscott said:
Flashing phones to different networks aren't illegal. It is a state dependant thing. I went and had my note 2 flashed over at a business in the middle of a bestbuy, guitar center, more big businesses. (Aka, big businesses near ~ not a shady place)
Yes, I know that Virgin Mobile is CDMA. I wanted to know how to unlock the GSM antenna purely for education purposes.
sent from a small tablet aka N2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well if it is by the carrier or carrier certified reps it isn't. and what that other guy said it works with DFS CDMAtool or I've heard of cdma workshop working good take a look here
Starfox said:
It should be possible, I've gotten as far as getting the NV values on both radios, but it seems as the 9k wants to search for signal on 800mhz only, at least according to DFS.
The Thunderbolt is able to get 3g working on Boost/VM/etc. at least from what I've seen. Considering the similarity between it and the Rezound I was hoping it would be easier...
-- Starfox
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is easy, but only to people that already know how to do it. The process is similar for most phones and doesn't require a lot, but most that try to do it dont know what they're doing and it takes them forever. What we need is a good electrical engineer.
Sent from my GT-P3113 using Tapatalk 2
Quick update:
The Rezound can work on Sprint-based towers, at least with leaked global (4.03) and stock global (4.05) radios. It took me couple of days of fidding via DFS, but right now I do have 3G working, albeit with the stock ROM complaining that mobile data isn't working. Trying out couple of ROMs to see which ones is usable.
Most important thing is that the 8K radio needs to be set to NV_ONLY but that 9K can be set to RUIM preferred. Also, flashing the firmware (from the recent 4.05 global update) will reset the 8K radio to RUIM, which is a good thing/bad thing. Good thing is that if you ever want to NV reset (since hard resets do not seem to wipe NV), flashing the latest firmware/radio should get you back to RUIM/stock PRL/blanked #. Bad thing is you need to fiddle with some of the settings in DFS again, but at least it's only for the 8K radio so far.
Another thing that probably made it work was to use the same PRL from the phone Sprint thinks you are using. For me this was the 61009 PRL. Profile info only needs to get stuck into the 9K radio and I don't think you really need to bother with the NAM2 stuff. But again, I've done too many fiddling to be able to say for certain.
-- Starfox
Hi there,
I just got a FreedomPop phone (HTC Evo Design 4G), and while $0/month is great, and it technically works, the phone itself is very slow an clunky (music player crashes, the RAM is actually downgraded from 768 to 512, general lag). Now, I have a perfectly decent Droid Razr M, which I would love to get working with the FreedomPop service.
Here is what I found so far:
* The FreedomPop phone has no SIM card. It's all software.
* I did a Titanium Backup, and found two packages of notice:
vDM Client (com.redbend.vdmc) - seems to be responsible for some kind of cellular data transfer.
Sprint DSA (com.sprint.dsa) - sprint network authentication.
There might be more, but I'm assuming it's these two that are responsible for authenticating me onto the network.
I did a Titanium Backup on the EVO, and restored it on the RAZR, but I get the permissions errors like the one below because the programs are not "signed":
10-29 16:06:22.029 W/PackageManager(699): Not granting permission android.permission.DEVICE_POWER to package com.redbend.vdmc (protectionLevel=2 flags=0x8be45)
It seems like this should be possible to figure out. I would very much appreciate any help.
Freedompop's Evo Design 4g does have a sim port and is a world phone. This is probably wrong forum to discuss, but since XDA has elected not to make one for said device, I'll continue. Main thing is: your Droid... is Verizon and Freedompop is a Sprint mvno. If I were to try such, I'd scout old phone forums [recommend droid eris]. Some got those kind of working across the cdma band differences, and you'd need to do similarly. My experience w/ moto manufactured smartphones is limited; so, no guide forthcoming from me. Hope that helps somewhat though.
Regards,
Rob
Sent from my HTCEVODesign4G using Tapatalk
Thanks for the reply. Yes, Moto is a Verizon while Evo Design is Sprint. The main thing, however, is that there is no sim card and the sprint access is all based on software. So theoretically, if I migrate the software, it could work. The backup-evo->restore-razr doesn't seem to work because of the app certificate issues. I think that's step one. To figure out how to install the software, so it actually works. Then figure out how to allow access to the Sprint network, since both phones are world phones.
lil help
Mr. Pickles said:
Thanks for the reply. Yes, Moto is a Verizon while Evo Design is Sprint. The main thing, however, is that there is no sim card and the sprint access is all based on software. So theoretically, if I migrate the software, it could work. The backup-evo->restore-razr doesn't seem to work because of the app certificate issues. I think that's step one. To figure out how to install the software, so it actually works. Then figure out how to allow access to the Sprint network, since both phones are world phones.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know with HTC phones.. you'd need a copy of QPST, drop down into your root directory and make a "opensesame" folder. This unlocks the NV items. Inside those NV items are keys you'd need to switch out [to work on other bands]. That would have to be done at a minimum [and I don't know where motorola's storage of these lie]. Using a sacrifice phone and changing meid has been suggested by some in past, but changing the meid often changes your ESN [it recalculates]. Technically changing your ESN is a grey area. Some say its illegal; I say its illegal if your intent is to defraud. I am not a lawyer though nor do I play one on TV [nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night]; so, any and all waivers apply . Defraud is a wide grey area iow. To me, that's to discourage those that cloned phones, pirated data and calls, invaded privacy, etc and if you are experimenting on your own sacrificial phone [not to defraud anyone], I don't consider it illegal, but keep it to yourself all the same [if you have to go that route]. That's about all the help I can be on the issue. I've been able to get Sprint phones working on Sprint mvno, but never attempted the long vault [Sprint to Verizon or vice versa].
Regards,
Rob
I think this is a bit daunting of a task than what I first imagined. Thanks for the info, Rob.
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, and if so i haven't been able to find it. This may seem like a stupid question, but I'm still pretty new to unlocking and rooting, ect. Now my question is, since the Sprint Galaxy S5 already has gsm network capabilities, why wouldn't it be possible to just download a different radio, and install that to unlock it for domestic gsm networks? I am asking because i have a Sprint S5 that i would like to use with T-mobile.
It might be that way if such an universal radio existed. But it doesn't. So moot point.
Interestingly, the S5 hardware is almost certainly capable of operating on all GSM and LTE bands. But artificial firmware limitations restrict your handset to only the frequencies that Sprint uses, plus a bare minimum of the most popular roaming bands.
Moreover, the Sprint version of the S5 is arguably the most restrictive variant. It simply isn't going to work on most TMB bands. You might find a NV hack to add a single AWS band. But in practical terms it won't work well on TMB.
Samsung and carriers structure it this way deliberately to discourge you from changing carriers. And to make it more likely that you need to buy a new phone if you do.
.
Ok, I was really mainly just curious, like I said I am new to this kind of thing, thanks for your response. I guess I will just wait to see if someone manages to domestically unlock it and post it, and then Ill give it a shot and see how well it works. I mainly use wifi at home for anything with the internet and downloads, I just need to get it to work for calls and texts.
kyleliamharris said:
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, and if so i haven't been able to find it. This may seem like a stupid question, but I'm still pretty new to unlocking and rooting, ect. Now my question is, since the Sprint Galaxy S5 already has gsm network capabilities, why wouldn't it be possible to just download a different radio, and install that to unlock it for domestic gsm networks? I am asking because i have a Sprint S5 that i would like to use with T-mobile.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It used to be that easy. Things have become quite more difficult with secured bootloaders and verification checks. I think a lot of the international unlock voodoo lies in the NV items for Sprint devices. Unlocking it domestically can be done almost the exact same way as the L720 HOWEVER you will ONLY be domestically unlocked AFTER you internationally unlock it. If you domestic unlock first you'll have wasted your time.
Sent from my SPH-L720 using XDA Free mobile app