is it true android is emulated inside webtop and that is why their is a big performance hit? i don't know if this should go in development, but are any devs/cyan atrix/cyan dev team working on anything to make android natively run? i would think android over hdmi would be better suited than webtop over hdmi. webtop is really limited but works for what it is. but to use android, there are enough apps and browsers that accomplish stuff better, you still can use a mouse inside android, you wouldn't lose performance watching videos or using emulators and i'm sure there's a lot more pros to just having android run natively over hdmi. any thought? requests? input? links to work being done?
Mobile View inside Ubuntu is just a video pipe-through of the Android OS running. The performance hit comes because you are running two operating systems on one device. Android is not "emulated" on Webtop.
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I've read a couple articles that say it is. I don't know. That's why i was asking. I hope hdmi mirroring gets going. I think i would rather run android by itself most of the time. And get the performance hit back when running emulators.
I voided my warranty.
They are confusing "virtualised" with "emulated". Modern processors of many sorts let a computer run multiple operating systems concurrently.
I agree that mirroring would be stellar because I don't want to always run Webtop to get fullscreen with keyboard/mouse.
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Nonetheless, its still taking a performance hit. Virtualised still takes up resources whereas mirroring android would take very little.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
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Mobile View inside Ubuntu is just a video pipe-through of the Android OS running. The performance hit comes because you are running two operating systems on one device. Android is not "emulated" on Webtop.
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Actually, you are not running two operating systems. You are running one. Both the webtop and android environments run under a single linux kernel. The webtop apps run natively on the processor, with a standard unix X windowing server handling display and input. The android apps run in the same dalvik virtual machine they do when you are not using webtop. You can easily see this if you do a 'ps -ef' from the command line in lxterminal under webtop. The Mobile View thing is just a native linux app that mirrors the phone's normal screen, sort of like vnc (or rdp for you windows people).
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I was thinking, that if we used chroot ubuntu and installed chromium (example here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iitOdmb6yvM)
And then installed the netflix plugin in the chrome store (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...earch&hcp=main) which lets you run netflix in any chrome browser then...
Shouldn't we potentially be able to get netflix to play on the Touchpad? I havent even gotten mine yet, so i cant test this theory but it should work as far as i can tell.
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That is just a wrapper for the site and does not allow Netflix to work in Linux.
Yeah, still does not deal with the fact that no one has compiled moonlight (silverlight for linux) for ARM yet. That may be possible, but it looks like a pain in the butt. That's what really needs done, not the browser.
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Yeah, still does not deal with the fact that no one has compiled moonlight (silverlight for linux) for ARM yet. That may be possible, but it looks like a pain in the butt. That's what really needs done, not the browser.
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Well thats probably easier than porting all of android over, which is really the only reason i'd even want android on a touchpad
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Well thats probably easier than porting all of android over, which is really the only reason i'd even want android on a touchpad
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Seeing as Moonlight doesn't even play Netflix now in Linux on x86 machines, I would say Android is the easier way.
I use PlayOn to stream Netflix & Hulu and they both work fine on the Touchpad. I know it is an additional expense for some but I already subscribed so it was basically free for me.
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Seeing as Moonlight doesn't even play Netflix now in Linux on x86 machines, I would say Android is the easier way.
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The touchpad would probably be easier to port android however the compatibility for the Netflix app is pretty awful on android, so it's not even guarenteed that Netflix will work. We still might have to find a workaround of sorts.
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The touchpad would probably be easier to port android however the compatibility for the Netflix app is pretty awful on android, so it's not even guarenteed that Netflix will work. We still might have to find a workaround of sorts.
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Netflix works on plenty of devices. You can side load it onto most and use it just fine. If not, there is plenty a hacked one around.
So I got my dock today and I've begun sampling remote desktop solutions including several RDP clients, VNC clients and Splashtop HD.
So far Splashtop seems to be the clear winner in terms of video performance, which is important to me as I'd like to at least be able to do simple things in games with high video demands (check the auction house in MMOs for example). The problem is that when I plug in a USB mouse or use the touchpad with Splashtop HD, there is no right click support- right click seems to be bound at some level to back in Android. I have not pulled the trigger yet on Remote RDP (paid) because I already own splashtop, so any comparison between the video on the two would be great, also.
So, questions:
How might it be possible to change the way android sees a right click from the mouse? If it were possible to make android see a right click as a random rarely used character like ` (tilde), there are ways to tell your desktop to interpret such a key as a right click (mousefighter comes to mind).
If the above proves impossible or unwieldy, is anything comparable in terms of video to splashtop?
I agree splashtop is pretty incredible from a video standpoint. You might try gotomypc? I believe they have an android app.
I didn't know about this right click issue, I've been using splashtop but I don't have my dock yet.
I'm sure there is a workaround...
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i use pocketcloud. The free version only allows one config but i just reconfig when i need to. It has a nice mechism for different mouse and keyboard functions but i have not tried an actual mouse with it. Not sure how good video and stuff is since i just use it to admin servers. It does pass windows sounds though.
Plz post in the Q & A forum..
Pocketcloud Free does support right click from an external mouse Sadly, de paid pro doesn't I hope they will upgrade soon.
I don't know if this would theoretically help, but in ICS there's a setting to change the touchpad right-click to long press rather than back. Doesn't seem to work for me though...
I'm wanting to have the Android OS on my Desktop computer. For a media center, as the android market has HBO, Netflix, Showtime, ect. I have a Dell Vostro 410 Desktop Computer. How do I get started, I'm using a Ethernet in order to get internet. Cause the main purpose is for media.
It's possible, take a look at android-x86.org
But you will run into problems with those types of apps complaining about your device being rooted or otherwise unsupported. Also, since your device is not supported by Google, Google Play Store won't work.
Really you would be better sticking to a more supported Desktop OS.
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It's possible, take a look at android-x86.org
But you will run into problems with those types of apps complaining about your device being rooted or otherwise unsupported. Also, since your device is not supported by Google, Google Play Store won't work.
Really you would be better sticking to a more supported Desktop OS.
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I agree that it seems an unusual choice but you can get round the market restrictions using the patched version of play store app which is available in one of the forums here at xda I think.
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There is android for computer try the liveCd Google it and burn it on a CD using roxio or Nero and you can boot android anytime you like
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from my understanding the Android SDK has a built in emulation for android, so i guess you could try it. Dont think you can Root the thing tho.
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I agree that it seems an unusual choice but you can get round the market restrictions using the patched version of play store app which is available in one of the forums here at xda I think.
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The main reason why I want my desktop computer to run on Android, is to make a Entertainment computer. A computer that connects to my TV and can watch HBO GO, Netflix, Showtime, Youtube, Ect.
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from my understanding the Android SDK has a built in emulation for android, so i guess you could try it. Dont think you can Root the thing tho.
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It has an option to make the system file read and write. So Root is usable, but I want to make a recovery on the computer, like I want to go into clockworkmod onto the computer.
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The main reason why I want my desktop computer to run on Android, is to make a Entertainment computer. A computer that connects to my TV and can watch HBO GO, Netflix, Showtime, Youtube, Ect.
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Would it not be easier to use windows and the variety of free software for it to do so? You can hook pc up to tv and get a remote control so you could control pc with it, there are programs out there designed for such purposes, I used one years ago when I built a mame arcade cabinet that could also record tv and stream videos etc.
Get the x86 android release and if it does not work maybe try using windows as its unlikely android will be smooth enough on your pc because it won't have optimised drivers for your hardware.
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Well I try using Boxeee But They don't have Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Ect.
Eller200 said:
Well I try using Boxeee But They don't have Netflix, Pandora, Vudu, Ect.
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I agree to others stating to use an actual computer OS. Have you looked into the wonderous works of Linux? There are endless builds out there. Plus with IE9 i know you can make custom shortcuts, like desktop icons, that when you launch them it will take you directly to netflix and log you in.
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I agree to others stating to use an actual computer OS. Have you looked into the wonderous works of Linux? There are endless builds out there. Plus with IE9 i know you can make custom shortcuts, like desktop icons, that when you launch them it will take you directly to netflix and log you in.
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I suppose the simplest approach would be to set windows up so desktop icons can be opened with one click. Then if you had a remote control you could use it to start the different things you want by using it to click on saved desktop shortcuts. Elesbb is right that it is a solution you could try.
Alternatively you could try media server which does have a netflix plugin.
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This is Right Android on Computer ???
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This is Right Android on Computer ???
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Yes, it is possible
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Yes, it is possible
Dave
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waow this is good i think
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Would it not be easier to use windows and the variety of free software for it to do so? You can hook pc up to tv and get a remote control so you could control pc with it, there are programs out there designed for such purposes, I used one years ago when I built a mame arcade cabinet that could also record tv and stream videos etc.
Get the x86 android release and if it does not work maybe try using windows as its unlikely android will be smooth enough on your pc because it won't have optimised drivers for your hardware.
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I have to agree. I think a windows box with a good media remote would be the best solution. That way it can be easily upgraded and drivers, drm, etc won't be an issue. Windows 8 is pretty touch oriented and might look nice as a media center.
That way when you want to upgrade hardware or OS you won't be stuck waiting for full driver support or patches and rewrites. I would also think it would be more powerful/feature-full for recording live TV etc.
Anything is possible though, and the Android x86 project would definitely be the place to start if you must go the Android route. Why not buy a high end Android tablet and run hdmi and then remote control that. I know that most peripherals exist in USB form, but I'm not sure how Android would handle, say, a USB TV tuner...
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There is one problem with your request. The Netflix APK is specifically designed for ARM and not x86 and as of right now there are no known x86 Netflix ports. So, Netflix will not work.
While Android x86 is smooth its hit or miss on some machines. I am running ICS from a live boot usb drive on my old Toshiba A135 S4467. It is by far faster to surf the internet and check emails and such with Android than my Windows install. The volume however is extremely low and only works through headphones on my laptop. Auto rotate can be an issue.
I would strongly recommend looking into XBMC for Windows instead, it is a very highly regarded media centre software, and has plugins for most Internet content sources e.g. Netflix etc. Much more workable than an Android emu.
If you have $49 spare VIA have just announced a nice Android PC which might be of interest rather than try to make your current PC an Android one. It has 720p H264 video playback, comes pre installed with Gingerbread with 2 gigabytes internal memory and 512 mb ram.
I wrote it about on my blog (Google Current link is in my signature), you can find out more in my blog or direct from VIA.
Dave
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Hey everyone,
I just got an atrix and I'm curious about the whole web top thing. Just a few quick questions, if someone has the time.
1. does web top only work with stock based Roms? I'm running th3bill's aokp milestone 6. If no, will the official ice release open 4.x roms?
2. Do the modified webtop packages, ie ubuntutop, improve the experience in terms of speed and versatility?
3. Lap dock or media dock?
4. Do any of you actually find yourselves using t regularly?
I currently have my Mac mini hooked up to my TV for movie watching, music listening, and web browsing. I'm looking to substitute it with probably the media dock.
Thanks everyone!
Thanks guys
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Hey everyone,
I just got an atrix and I'm curious about the whole web top thing. Just a few quick questions, if someone has the time.
1. does web top only work with stock based Roms? I'm running th3bill's aokp milestone 6. If no, will the official ice release open 4.x roms?
2. Do the modified webtop packages, ie ubuntutop, improve the experience in terms of speed and versatility?
3. Lap dock or media dock?
4. Do any of you actually find yourselves using t regularly?
I currently have my Mac mini hooked up to my TV for movie watching, music listening, and web browsing. I'm looking to substitute it with probably the media dock.
Thanks everyone!
Thanks guys
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Hi there and welcome aboard!
To answer your questions:
1) Yep. Webtop only works with stock based roms, aka Blur roms. Yes, when official ICS comes out, it will have 4.0 weptop support.
2) Indeed, they improve the experience. I was using Ubuntop and it was pretty nice.
3) I have a lapdock. I think is better than the media dock. If you want to use the media stuff, you just need to connect the phone via HDMI to the TV, and use the media interface to use your stuff.
4) Actually, right now im not using it much, mostly because i hate being in GB, and im using JB roms for now. Never the less, i still use it morriring my phone screen to the lapdock. It works pretty nice too.
Hmm...my guess is that your Mac Mini is going to work better than your phone phone. You can install an app to control your Mac mini from your phone tough. Mobile Mouse Pro is the name of it.
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Hi there and welcome aboard!
To answer your questions:
1) Yep. Webtop only works with stock based roms, aka Blur roms. Yes, when official ICS comes out, it will have 4.0 weptop support.
2) Indeed, they improve the experience. I was using Ubuntop and it was pretty nice.
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Awesome
3) I have a lapdock. I think is better than the media dock. If you want to use the media stuff, you just need to connect the phone via HDMI to the TV, and use the media interface to use your stuff.
4) Actually, right now im not using it much, mostly because i hate being in GB, and im using JB roms for now. Never the less, i still use it morriring my phone screen to the lapdock. It works pretty nice too.
Hmm...my guess is that your Mac Mini is going to work better than your phone phone. You can install an app to control your Mac mini from your phone tough. Mobile Mouse Pro is the name of it.
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I am currently using a wireless (usb) and mouse (bt) wih the mac mini. I was hoping I could get a usb wireless kb and mouse for the media dock and just plug in my phone and keep doing what I'm doing now.
Anyway, thanks a bunch for the info. I found out the media dock is like $25 on Amazon and the lapdock is selling for like $60 on some website! I should just get both haha
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I was thinking of the coolness factor of just having one device, a phone, to which you could connect an external display and have an extended desktop. I am not finding any reference to this on Android (only the MS Surface). From what I have been reading, and remember/understand (may be confused), Jelly Bean brought the ability for windowing apps. However, the apps have to be coded for the capability, unless you root your phone and installed an app that provided windowing for all apps. Also, I have not heard of the possibility of having an extended desktop in Android.
I would like to ask WHY? Why not have windowing and the ability for an extended desktop, on an external display? A bluetooth keyboard and mouse just follows. Does google have to play nice with the manufacturers that stand to loose from people only needing one device? Is there a reason I'm not thinking of? Most phones are fast enough for this these days.
At the turn of the century, I was running GPS software Deluo Routis on a Sony Vaio 505 Pentium 200Mhz laptop running Win98. The 2-D graphics were smooth even while playing mp3's through the car speakers. The mapping software showed the map clearly, and effectively gave me navigation. People have lost sight of how much you can do if you give up the bloat and bling.
Also, I am pretty confused with the merging of Android and Chrome. I never liked Java to begin with; my experience with it is in MS Windows, and it runs slow as molasses. I believe my phone would run much faster if they had not chosen Java. I understand this to be because you have an operating system running on top of another operating system. It just makes more sense to me to have less layers and run apps natively, for better performance. I thought maybe they chose Java for its level of security. Is the screening process for Google Play not foolproof enough?
I like the philosophy of Google better than Microsoft**, so if one of them is going to win, I hope it's Google. I'm hoping Google won't end up with a convoluted Android/Chrome operating system because Lawyers forced them to (the idea I get based on the latest news). I don't understand: do they want to keep their OS architecture simple, but are being forced to make the OS complex for different reasons?
**Apple doesn't even want to compete. They have never wanted to dominate, just make huge profits. Unless they break up the marriage of hardware and software, they won't win. Then again, if Samsung keeps dominating, there may not be much hardware diversity?
Oh, and my main question was: "Why not have windowing and the ability for an extended desktop?". Wouldn't that be a big deciding factor for anyone that wanted to simplify and just have one device?
Anybody? Tell me I'm crazy at least. There has to be a strategic reason, that Google does not introduce full windowing and extended desktop support.
Its coming eventually. though you could do it right now. Motorola tried something like this with their atrix lapdocks.
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Its coming eventually. though you could do it right now. Motorola tried something like this with their atrix lapdocks.
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Can you do it right now with any android device having a video port?
Well lets look at how we could achieve this with todays technology.
Input:
Bluetooth Mouse & keyboard.
Output:
Wireless display with support for older displays using something like Chromecast.
Graphical User Interface:
A secondary Launcher/Application (Which could potentially see companies like MS & Canonical developing their own UI's and Charging for them if required).
Home & Office use with one device:
Home would be the default UI, but when your device has used NFC to log into the office it would automatically enable your Office profile/UI for a certain length of time (requiring you to log back in after a set time or manual log out via another NFC tap).
This would be very useful as it would enable you to take your "desktop" environment anywhere with you and connect to any HDTV with Wireless display/Chromecast support.
Applications:
So if like me you are finding your phone to become ever more a better solution to your digital needs and you only require your desktop for apps which work better with larger displays (Videos & certain games) you will find this very useful.
Games:
Now games could become ever more better as they could be controlled using standardised control inputs (game controllers could use standardised input methods allowing you to select any compatible controller to best suit your needs) or even a driving game could allow you to see the game on a HDTV yet be controlled with the accelerometer for steering and the right of the devices touch display would be the accelerator and the left of the display would be the brakes for example.
More Business Solutions:
If you could wirelessly connect to the office display then show a powerpoint style presentation that would be great because the very device which stores the file would also be your controller to move to the next/pevious slides.
Media:
Music could possibly be stored in the cloud so when your on the move you can listen to your music as many of us do now, but when connected to a large display it could utilise the large display and speakers to show a music video too!.
Photos could be viewed on the large screen and the next one to be displayed could be select on the device (allowing the use to avoid showing anyone pictures which they don't want other to see - ie: pitcures of you and your friends whilst your parents/grandparents are in the room...).
The TV Guide:
The TV Guide would become a very interactive thing which allows you to see what is available on other TV channels without other people in the room being limited to viewing the content they are trying to watch in a small box in the corner of the display...
These are just some ideas of what is possible, but I know that you could do so much more with this and with 64-bit technology coming to many mobile devices soon that will make it so much easier for devices to process all of this data at once without any serious lag!.
I would love to see a group of developers on XDA team up on an open desktop (secondary) launcher to run alongside the users primary (phone) launcher. if there was a project like this with an open framework to develop apps for I'd be happy to start developing apps for that or separate UI's to run alongside my current (Phone/Android) apps UI's.
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Also remember that this could be utilised in other ways too eg:: connecting your device to your car and your device could deliver your navigation & music to your vehicles display whilst getting important traffic/weather news using your devices network connection!.
Isn't this exactly what the Ubuntu phone intends to do or have I got the wrong idea?
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Yes, but with Android already having a large ecosystem it would make a lot of sense to build upon that.
Chromecast is not "open" to third party apps. http://www.minyanville.com/sectors/...eeds-to-Tread-Lightly-With/8/28/2013/id/51502
Do they have a displayport version of Chromecast? *cough*
quote from: http://www.tested.com/tech/set-top-boxes/457036-testing-google-chromecast/
"Chromecast is also not a particularly good desktop mirroring option, either. It actually can't do full desktop mirroring, and instead works solely with the Chrome browser. In beta right now is Chrome tab streaming, which sends to Chromecast everything that can be rendered in a single Chrome tab, including web pages, flash embeds, and even full-screen MKV video files if you have VLC installed. I like that Chrome tab streaming works independently of what's showing on your laptop or desktop's screen--like with YouTube and Netflix, you can multi-task and switch to other tabs or windows while one tab is being streamed. The only thing that matters is the window size and screen resolution. Chromecast will automatically scale the aspect ratio of your window to fill up your TV screen, adding black bars on the sides to avoid stretching. A full-screen resolution of 1440x900 looked good on a large 1080p TV, but streaming from a 2560x1600 monitor at full-screen made the text unreadable on my 70" TV."
Wow... I thought only displayport was capable of 2560x1600 (edit: hdmi v1.3 brought this). Even if I hook it up to my 2560x1600 monitor, it won't really display anything but entertainment. Chromecast doesn't seem to be a way to have a monitor, to use your Android phone as a PC replacement.
AllCast !!!
http://www.geek.com/android/chromecast-reject-becomes-allcast-public-beta-now-available-1578674/
However, I still need to add some kind of wifi enabled device to my 30" lcd monitor (like with chromecast). Really, I don't mind a cable connection from my phone to my monitor, if that was an option. If Google continues to be closed like this, then I would go for Ubuntu phone.
Displayport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MyDP#SlimPort
Any phones have this besides the Google Nexus 4? Actually, I'm not getting a new phone until I know what the hell will happen with Android / Chrome OS
Quote from: http://www.tested.com/tech/android/457205-mhl-vs-slimport/
"SlimPort's support for the DisplayPort standard--specifically Mobility DisplayPort--means it can output video at the same 4K resolution as MHL, though not via HDMI (yet, anyway). And here SlimPort hasn't really made good on its potential, yet; though it's based on the flexible DisplayPort standard, the only SlimPort adapters currently available are for VGA and HDMI connectors. The upshot is that you won't be plugging a Nexus 7 into a 1440p DisplayPort computer monitor anytime soon." http://www.slimportconnect.com/
Chromecast May Get Screen Mirroring With Android 4.4.1
Evidence in Android 4.4.1 indicates that screen mirroring is coming to Chromecast.
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It could start with mirroring a primary display, but gradually result in mirroring something that a GPU has rendered for a secondary display.
A dock from Samsung Galaxy phones. Has USB ports, HDMI, and audio.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EDD-S20JWEGSTA
mraeryceos said:
A dock from Samsung Galaxy phones. Has USB ports, HDMI, and audio.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EDD-S20JWEGSTA
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I tried that myself with my previous Galaxy S4 (i9500), It was a great dock and when I connected my wireless KB & Mouse USB dongle & connected the HDMI to my PC monitor it was a good experience when doing things like playing GTA3 on the bigger screen (it was better than the windows version in some ways).
But the device just needed a separate home screen UI to be output to the PC screen to look perfect and to work better with the KB & Mouse input type.
It shouldn't be too difficult to make a UI that simply changes the size of some buttons to a smaller size, enabling more widgets to fit on the home screen and if they could simply force the apps to run in either windowed or full screen that would enable better multi-tasking, then the browsers would just need a small update to detect if the device is running in Desktop Mode if so, then simply zoom out of the page a little to emulate the desktop browser experience.
Just a few ideas... If Google's Android team are reading this, I would recommend that you get that dock to experiment with for future Android builds.
Especially now that OS' like Ubuntu Phone are looking at going down this road of the one device fits all computational needs.
Rather than creating a new thread I thought that it would appropriate to bring this topic back up after the recent announcements that several OEM's have made, that they will be releasing desktops with Android as their Primary/Secondary OS.
I hope that this pushes Google into creating a dedicated desktop UI in the future.