So here is an interesting one. So I still have me trusty X10 that I used for testing and backup. I also have a sim that floats from the X10 for testing to a Streak7 for play, with all my other off contract old school priced ATT services. With all of the extra devices traveling with the family, I am thinking of using the X10 as a dedicated hotspot of sorts, being that it would be significantly cheaper than a dedicated one, has unlimited data, and won't trip off the must have tethering features if I used a unlocked novatel.
SO my question you ask? Any suggestions on maybe optimizing a build for more specialized use? It would be interesting to even build a HotspotOS that would consist of the core Android with zero services other than those needed for the hostspot to run. Let it run fullscreen autostart, and you have yourself an Android Hotspot Appliance...
I will settle for some safe to remove that may eat battery hints. I believe hard throttling the cpu very low with setcpu would gain a good bit, but may impact throughput.
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Just logging my experiences of some crazy data usage on my new phone and what I've done about it.
Backstory => I've had a HTC Hero for a while, Eclair (2.1) never once had over 420Mb Data usage in a month (and never made any attempt to keep it down). That phone was never on WiFi (hero does't support n) so I actually expected data usage to go down (phone averages 12hrs per day on WiFi).
So I opted for a special deal, dirt cheap, 500Mb/Month deal with very expensive charges for extra Mbs on UK Virgin Mobile (which is a reseller of UK T-Mobile).
First two days, 130Mb of the plan gone, maybe 30Mb of which was 'my' usage. At that rate my excess data charges for month 1 > entire 2 year contract price....
I've been using Onavo and Traffic Monitor (both Market) to try to track down the usage, both are useful but have thier problems. Also because I have had to get the usage down to the point were I can get through the month some of the guestimates of daily data use may be off. If there is interest I can always do some formal experimentation when my month resets.
For reference i have a SK17i on 2.3.3, f/w 4.0.A.2.335 (old but best I can get without unlocking phone). If anyone explicitly knows a firmware upgrape fixes these issues please let me know. This is limited to things that use data that really, IMHO, should not
Format is:
APK name;Longname;Onavo Stats; Traffic Monitor Stats;My Guestimate of real daily usage; What it does; notes
Stuff I've Already Gotten rid of
SemcCrashMonitor.apk;com.sonyericsson.crashmonitor;CrashMonitor - 10mb/day;??; 10mb/day; Listed as debugger in sources, no issues usage was with setting to send usage to SE turned off
SEMCSetupWizard.apk;com.sonyericsson.setupwizard; 6mb/Day;??; 6mb/day;Getting started wizard; Ensured i'd let it finish etc, why does it even run?
UpdateCenter.apk;com.sonyericsson.update center;3mb one day, 400kb the next;??;??;Might possibly be legit usage?;
SemcSnpStore.apk;com.sonyericsson.android.snp;Video Unlimited 3mb / Day;??;3mb/day; Qrocity video store; Again no legit reason for this to background data
there's more but they are far smaller usage
Stuff that I haven't had the guts to get rid off yet
if you know these are safe to drop let me know:
PMSservice.apk;com.sonyericsson.providers.protected.media; 3-6Mb per day, is either double counting this with Keypad or splitting usage wrongly across them; android.uid.phone ~ 3mb per day, presume thats must be this; 3mb/day; cant find any info on this anywere online; missing for several 'full xperia software lists
enhancedusbus.apk;com.sonyericsson.usbux;4mb/day;this is bucketed in com.android.system < 2mb per day;??; Its presumable the PC Connector etc addon; if it is using the data it genuinely has NO excuse
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i am suffering from same problem. i used internet on java phones before. (had x10 mini pro but never used internet on it)
my usage on java phones was approx. 1200 MB @ 8 kbps data rate EDGE connection. now I switched to xperia mini. I use 3G @ 14 kbps 3G and you wont believe it boosted to 5 GB per month.
sort of nice to know it isn't just me, 5gb is about what i would have gotten if i'd not noticed it i believe (was on some heavy rss feeds in addition to above). That would have been a crazy bill.
Hopefully some of this is actually fixable, might try to raise some stuff officailly with SE once I get more data.
Have a data usage horror story, let me know!
My analysis of my stock SE, HTC & Samsung handsets is that it is the refresh rates set default by these companies of twitter, rss and such that causes the insane amounts of data. Not mentioning the obvious if using streaming services such as YouTube, notify et al ;-)
Change updates to manual or every 4 hours keeps me below one GB per month for all handsets.
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Wird with the data usage. This month I have only used 420mb on my mini pro (newest fw) and done nothing to limit my data use except for using wifi a bit.
I have not been over 1.5 gb in a month with heavy YouTube and stuff like that.
for me, its not a problem
just use the unlimited internet package...
Hi.
I am totally new to the Android phone tweaking phenomenon. Been reading and testing many of the tips, tricks and such on the forum here. I must say, I was about to ditch the trusty Atrix 4g when I came upon this forum. I can't thank XDA enough for being the informative and authoritative website that it is.
On another forum I saw someone ask if they should upgrade to a SG3 or unlock/root their Atrix 4g. I though about it a bit. My "answer" was simple: I am a cheapskate. Forking out $200 for a new SG3 (my phone of choice right now to be honest) is a bit rough on my pocket. Unlocking/rooting is for free. Try unlocking/rooting "responsibly" first. If it doesn't work out to my satisfaction, then upgrade the phone. At least you make sure you are squeezing the max out of your Atrix 4G, right?
I unlocked... rooted... and I could not be happier. Only problem now is that I want more! I OC PC's for a hobby so squeezing more is second nature to me right now. Cell phones are way different to PC's though. Quickly saw you can't water cool then effectively and retain its mobile nature. Now my phone has a new life in it that I think could be improved even more. Therefore, I pose two simple questions here now:
1) Extended battery... worth the investment or not? I rooted to MROM and find I have excellent battery life in comparison to before but I wouldn't mind extra life via the battery itself. Investment would be around $20 tops for a 2800 mAh battery. That's about 33% more mAh if that's the correct way of looking at this...
2) If I were to get the extended battery, I was thinking of upgrading my kernel to the Faux123 1.3 ghz version. Would I "really" notice the difference in terms of performance? (am presently running the MROM ver. 43 SV kernel which is 1.0 ghz - "sv" means software voltage "tweaked" for better battery life if I am not mistaken)
Thoughts?
Signed,
Uncle Kah
1.) If you really want the extended battery it is only worth it if you can handle the extra bulk. Buy only what feels comfortable to you. (And that's the only thing that you should be considering on this subject)
2.) Depends a lot on what you're doing. The things that are already running fairly fast and feel snappy probably won't feel much different, but you will see an improvement on things that are/feel a little sluggish at times.
Right now we're on a turning point as far as development goes, since the new leak has been released there will be a slew of new builds coming our way very soon (I am hoping within the next few days), so sit tight and watch (maybe help test too?) closely, because even the current incomplete ICS/JB builds are, in my opinion, superior to any other Gingerbread build.
littleemp said:
1.) If you really want the extended battery it is only worth it if you can handle the extra bulk. Buy only what feels comfortable to you. (And that's the only thing that you should be considering on this subject)
2.) Depends a lot on what you're doing. The things that are already running fairly fast and feel snappy probably won't feel much different, but you will see an improvement on things that are/feel a little sluggish at times.
Right now we're on a turning point as far as development goes, since the new leak has been released there will be a slew of new builds coming our way very soon (I am hoping within the next few days), so sit tight and watch (maybe help test too?) closely, because even the current incomplete ICS/JB builds are, in my opinion, superior to any other Gingerbread build.
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I agree on the battery thing being more a matter of bulk. That's why I was looking at the 2800 mAh battery instead of the 3500+ mAh. I believe the bulk should be less. I have big hands anyways so it shouldn't be much of an issue BUT, if I need to put the phone on a pocket fort example, that might be an issue.
I see your point on the sluggishness of apps and such. I really can't complain that much of anything being slow or stuttery. Netflix works just fine. I don;'t game on my phone. I mainly surf, email and chat. Those functions are doing just fine. In essence, it's much like a computer. You can reach 4.5 ghz overclock and taking it up to lets say 4.7 may not be noticeable in any way other than bench marking and such and we are not doing that continuously as it is.
Interesting point on the leak and the possibility of new ROM's hitting the threads soon. Not used to how those innovations work in the cell phone world. If that's the case, then I feel that I should wait a bit and then play around with the new ROM's that are soon to be born.
Thanks for the insight...
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I agree on the battery thing being more a matter of bulk. That's why I was looking at the 2800 mAh battery instead of the 3500+ mAh. I believe the bulk should be less. I have big hands anyways so it shouldn't be much of an issue BUT, if I need to put the phone on a pocket fort example, that might be an issue.
I see your point on the sluggishness of apps and such. I really can't complain that much of anything being slow or stuttery. Netflix works just fine. I don;'t game on my phone. I mainly surf, email and chat. Those functions are doing just fine. In essence, it's much like a computer. You can reach 4.5 ghz overclock and taking it up to lets say 4.7 may not be noticeable in any way other than bench marking and such and we are not doing that continuously as it is.
Interesting point on the leak and the possibility of new ROM's hitting the threads soon. Not used to how those innovations work in the cell phone world. If that's the case, then I feel that I should wait a bit and then play around with the new ROM's that are soon to be born.
Thanks for the insight...
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I actually think the overall feel of GB to be slow and the browser in particular sluggish at times when compared to other devices (not necessarily with better hardware, just with newer software). I guess it comes with territory after tinkering with fully working JB builds on other devices. To be fair, I didn't see it as much until I tried it out... It's kinda like giving a blind man a brand new pair of eyes.
On the overclock thing, 4.5 to even 5 Ghz the difference is very negligible as you say, but a 1Ghz to 1.3 or 1.5 GHz jump is very noticeable. Remember we're talking an extra 30-50% in CPU cycles.
Hi, I heard MIUI reserves 1GB+ for itself. Can any of non-Pro version owners report 2GB RAM sufficiency for common operation (multitasking, running user apps in background etc.). How much complexity the present memory allows? Is killing apps in background frequent? How about lagging?
Is there any real performance comparison between Pro and non-Pro configuration?
And finally is it worth to drop ~$30 more for Pro version (as about phone smooth performance and fingerprint scanner)
Haven't got the phone, but from research i'm doing, it seem like a big annoying issue.
Hi, I have the 2GB version, but I also have a similar phone with stock Android, so I'm going to compare these two.
Multitasking in MIUI is very tight, don't expect to keep switching to more than 2 apps instantly, there will be lags and loading animation. Yes killing in background is frequent, there is a page on Security app called Autostart that is listing apps that are actually running, and I have never seen more than 4-5 apps tagged as running, assuming you keep autostart off. However, if you tag an app as autostart enabled, even if they're killed they will start again in background, so you won't have problems with notification, at the expense of a little battery life. This is kinda complicated but offers for more control. Notice that app that isn't tagged as running and not autostart enabled is dead dead, no notification, no background process, no battery drain.
I don't think there'll be much different for Pro version in multitasking, I have seen the same thing on Mi 5, it's just the way MIUI works. But yes the $30 is definitely worth it for double the storage, 150% RAM, and fingerprint.
Note that you can disable the background killing in developer options, disable MIUI battery optimization, and tag all apps as autostart enabled, to get better multitasking experience as good as stock Android, but apparently this is not a good idea if the phone is only having 2GB of RAM, the lag is becoming too much in my opinion, because MIUI does keeping around 1GB for itself in this phone. Hope that helps.
I'll keep this short and sweet. Am on latest xiaomi.eu's 6.5.26 dev build for my ido and dare I say it's the best representation of how it should be done for MIUI global rels. Most crufts removed and loose ends tightened. That being said and not that I blame xiaomi.eu's team in any shape or form, they have to work with what they got so suffice to say that MIUI by default could seriously use way better RAM management chops.
If it's just $30 more for Pro and you don't care about a larger screen estate (kenzo), then go for it bro double time.
I have a Galaxy S5 but I think this is a general question. I've modded and tweaked my cell phones for several years, but I know next to nothing about what I'm doing. That's why I do a LOT of research BEFORE doing anything. There's a lot of bloatware and unnecessary stuff floating around in the android system. I'm trying to reduce battery drain and speed up boot and processing speed.
The first problem I run into is trying to find anything about different software, components, and processes. I don't want to remove something and brick my phone or make it worse.
I'm running ROM Toolbox Lite using the Auto Start Manager.
Question: What is the relationship of app receivers and processing speed and battery life?
I'm considering turning off all receivers that start with bootup on programs I seldom use and don't want active until I start them.
1. Will those receivers ALL turn on when I decide to start a specific app? (That's what I'm hoping for)
2. How will this affect my speed, memory usage, and boot time?
From others experiences is it worth getting the PRO version?
I recently went from a oneplus 5 to the nord 200 when I switched to t-mobile because of the free promotion. Before I got it I did a little bit of research on the processor and storage speed and didn't expect much of a difference in performance because the snapdragon 480 seems to be fairly powerful and the nord has the same UFS 2.1 storage as my old phone.
I was pretty disappointed to find in my use the phone about 1/2 the time the phone was pretty sluggish in the general user experience and app launch times were significantly longer. May be placebo, but I disabled digital wellbeing, and all the tmobile bloatware and it may have helped a little. I remember reading oneplus heavily throttled some of their phones in recent history. I may switch back to my old phone.
I know the device is relatively new, do you guys think it will get better with software updates or is this just how it is?
I found turning on "Mobile data always active" in the developer options massively improved performance in my apps (at least where online load times and download speeds in-game were concerned)
Did you just get your phone recently? After setting up this phone for the first time, I also noticed the device was extremely slow, with all the app and software updates happening in the background. After all the updates were installed, I turned the phone off for about a day, and performance went to normal. It's not as fast as a flagship and there are minor hiccups here and there, but that's about what I expected from a 400 series SoC.
My original report was the day after I set everything up, I disabled the permissions for the launcher which did improve the responsiveness of the launcher, but application performance and launch times are still slow compared to my old device and not what I would expect from a phone of this spec.
I'm pretty confident this phone is a victim of oneplus' recently reported throttling for battery life. I was curious and compared geekbench scores (which aren't throttled under oneplus' list) and both the nord and my oneplus 5 got fairly similar scores for both cpu and compute. I tried out a browser benchmark motionmark which benches graphics performance. The nord got a 25 and the oneplus 5 got a 189... I ran the test again to make sure but got similar results.
That graphics should be coming from gpu and not cpu though....
I tested cpu and compute on geekbench, compute is a measure of gpu performance. The nord scored a little higher than the 5 in that.
I would assume oneplus' throttling would effect cpu and gpu but even if not, my oneplus 5 scoring almost 8x as high does not seem anywhere near normal
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I recently went from a oneplus 5 to the nord 200 when I switched to t-mobile because of the free promotion. Before I got it I did a little bit of research on the processor and storage speed and didn't expect much of a difference in performance because the snapdragon 480 seems to be fairly powerful and the nord has the same UFS 2.1 storage as my old phone.
I was pretty disappointed to find in my use the phone about 1/2 the time the phone was pretty sluggish in the general user experience and app launch times were significantly longer. May be placebo, but I disabled digital wellbeing, and all the tmobile bloatware and it may have helped a little. I remember reading oneplus heavily throttled some of their phones in recent history. I may switch back to my old phone.
I know the device is relatively new, do you guys think it will get better with software updates or is this just how it is?
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Same experience here, i picked up this phone expecting at least a decent experience but still get bad slow not usable for everyday tasks sometimes.
Im not expecting a flagship performance of course but this is far from decent in my experience.
I hope android 12 will solve many performance issues. Or custom fw
I'm about to throw away this phone into trash. Did not expect so weak dev community activity. The laggy interface is almost unusable if you constantly swap between apps and find them unloaded from RAM. All my text or uploaded content just disappear. It is very frustrating experience. I never had this behaviour with my 2/32 gb xiaomi.
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I'm about to throw away this phone into trash. The laggy interface is almost unusable if you constantly swap between apps and find them unloaded from RAM. All my text or uploaded content just disappear. It is very frustrating experience. I never had this behaviour with my 2/32 gb xiaomi.
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If you're really at your wit's end, have you considered installing a GSI? I've tried Phh's AOSP w/ gapps, and once you register your device with Google, it works flawlessly (except safetynet/drm) and is a million times faster than stock. Or I'd be more than happy to take your device off your hands.
zaooza said:
Did not expect so weak dev community activity.
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You know, custom ROMs don't just appear out of thin air. Someone has to take the time to bring up a device and make it stable, and it's not an easy task. I would say to be patient and just accept the fact that there's no guarantee that this device will get custom ROMs.
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If you're really at your wit's end, have you considered installing a GSI? I've tried Phh's AOSP w/ gapps, and once you register your device with Google, it works flawlessly (except safetynet/drm) and is a million times faster than stock. Or I'd be more than happy to take your device off your hands.
You know, custom ROMs don't just appear out of thin air. Someone has to take the time to bring up a device and make it stable, and it's not an easy task. I would say to be patient and just accept the fact that there's no guarantee that this device will get custom ROMs.
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Any disadvantages with gsi besides safety net drm? Want to try gsi but this is new to me
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Any disadvantages with gsi besides safety net drm? Want to try gsi but this is new to me
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Other than pictures from the camera being degraded compared to stock and having to install apps from the Play Store/changing a few settings in the Settings app, everything seems to work fine