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It's hard to recognize it, but the sunset of our loved TG01 is coming....
I have a pair of TG01 and I love them, are the state of the art with WM. But WM is dead: all new software is for Iphone or Android. So, sooner or later, I'll jump to another device.
My problem is that I'm a Windows Mobile user since 2005 and absolutely ignorant regarding other operating systems.
I suppose that I'm not the only in this situation, and I'd like to know your opinions as you have already moved to other devices, from the point of view of a former WM 6.x user.
My son has a Iphone 4 and , jailbreaked, and it's impressive. On the other part, i love the specs of the last Android's Samsung Galaxy SII, specially after knowing that Host USB is possible on it.
Please contribute with your opinions , personal reviews, useful links, and specially, I'd like to create a table of programs on Android and Iphone OS, able to replace the hundred of WM programs (more or less) that I've got in my TG01.
Waiting your comments.
Thank you!
Hi Pere,
I am an Android user of Galaxy S (not SII) since May 2010 and i love the way it feels that SO!
I bought two weeks ago TG01 because I liked from the begining and I can compare it for you!
The first thing is that with Android you are better connected with the internet, the internet browser load everything, play flash ... (its like having a real computer with Crome installed as a browser )
The second thing is that you have Android Market (200.000 apps and the number grow). All the apps have a free of charge use(contains comercials but that doesn't bothered)
The third but not least is the optimization of the SO for finger use! Win Mob SO it was designed for stylus use not for finger and it shows!
Android, i have samsung galaxsy s II and comparing to other phones GOD, there is no better phone. to be honest same price as iphone 4 and twice better, well you could wait for iphone 5G but the camera and screen are the best spots on sgs2.
Nice to met you here! Your opinion is very valuable to me as expert TG01 user.
USB Host is a must for me (My previous XDA Flame has it and was the reason to choose TG01 two years ago) but it seems to be a rarity in today's market.
Have you tested it?
And what about apps?
Thank you for explain us your experiences....
I have just moved to a Dell Streak, the huge 5" screen being the thing i really wanted.
I still have my TG01 right now and can compare them quite well as they both run on a snapdragon 1Ghz cpu.
Screen size aside, Android is so much faster on the hardware, WM seems quite slow in comparison, the user interface of Froyo just seems so fast.
Dell Streak can support USB host i think, and i have it overclocked to 1.19ghz for a little extra speed.
The process of flashing roms was a bit of a learning curve, but it was the same when i got my TG01 having come from a few Symbian devices before that, but its always the same when you change phone os.
I think if you are starting to consider the move to android, your time is pretty much now, becuase WM is starting to look quite old, and performance on the same hardware is just so far removed.
Apps are a plenty, lots of good free apps out there, for instance, there is a free app called AdFree which can block ads by installing a hosts file containing the addresses of ad servers. Lots of customization options including many different homescreen/launchers and you can have animated wallpaper if you want, the homescreen/today screen supports widgets, so you can have a htc style clock with weather, and lots of other widgets far too many to mention.
Samsung Galaxsy S II
Pere said:
Nice to met you here! Your opinion is very valuable to me as expert TG01 user.
USB Host is a must for me (My previous XDA Flame has it and was the reason to choose TG01 two years ago) but it seems to be a rarity in today's market.
Have you tested it?
And what about apps?
Thank you for explain us your experiences....
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USB Host is working tested with Nokia HDMI to usb host cable, mouse, and external HDD 500 Gb, they will try to make the cable connection to LCD TV and charger at same time, mouse bluetooth connection and you just need to run ubuntu that i personaly tested . SGS2 AMAZING PHONE!!!! I will try to test that multy connection mode too, but i don't think it will be problem to a 1,6 GHz machine. Apps all working SPB shell best thing i saw ever, all HD games...
i have been using all kinda os's but android is still not my favourite one, iOS is but i don't like the Apple brand so overtook it i mean that OS on sgs2 best thing ever. So Pere it's all on you, just take iphone 4 and sgs2 i hands and it will be all clear to you, brand vs. power
(InsertNameHere) said:
I have just moved to a Dell Streak, the huge 5" screen being the thing i really wanted........Dell Streak can support USB host i think, and i have it overclocked to 1.19ghz for a little extra speed.
The process of flashing roms was a bit of a learning curve, but it was the same when i got my TG01 having come from a few Symbian devices before that, but its always the same when you change phone os.....
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Thanks, very interesting. Is a pity that Streak 5 is no longer available. It seems that 5" is too big for present market....
And what about apps? I mean, for instance, with program Android users prefer to watch videos or listen to the music?
Pere said:
Thanks, very interesting. Is a pity that Streak 5 is no longer available. It seems that 5" is too big for present market....
And what about apps? I mean, for instance, with program Android users prefer to watch videos or listen to the music?
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Dell Streak 5 is still available in europe, but if you don't need the 5" screen then obviously there is much better out there. MoboPlayer is a very good constantly updated video player, and there are loads of good audio players, PowerAMP and Winamp being examples. WinMo probably has better mp3 players but thats subjective.
Table to relate WM/Android/IOS apps
I've started this table to relate apps. The aim is to help me to find the "must" apps (from my point of view, of course) able to replace the ones that I use in my loved TG01
The first one is the Pocket Controller, is there any like it on Android and IOS??
The second one: BEst Epub reader? I use Freda
Thank you guys!
http://bit.ly/nVOJok
I still have TG01 and still holding out hope of something special coming soon. Every day I check google hoping to see media breaking news headline such as:
TG01 now running linux/android SUCCESSFULLY
But, now I'm starting to lose hope and thinking of moving on and upgrading to a new device. It really does seem like development is dying, or already dead.
Pere said:
I've started this table to relate apps. The aim is to help me to find the "must" apps (from my point of view, of course) able to replace the ones that I use in my loved TG01
The first one is the Pocket Controller, is there any like it on Android and IOS??
The second one: BEst Epub reader? I use Freda
Thank you guys!
http://bit.ly/nVOJok
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There is a similar app to Pocket Controller that is based on java, it is called Android Screencast
Also Droid Explorer can do a similar thing
As for a epub reader, there is Nook, Kindle and these
Yes, I agree with you...sad to say
(InsertNameHere) said:
There is a similar app to Pocket Controller that is based on java, it is called Android Screencast
Also Droid Explorer can do a similar thing
As for a epub reader, there is Nook, Kindle and these
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Thank you!. Did you test it? Some review say that it's a bit laggy...
Pere said:
Thanks, very interesting. Is a pity that Streak 5 is no longer available. It seems that 5" is too big for present market....
And what about apps? I mean, for instance, with program Android users prefer to watch videos or listen to the music?
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Who said that 5" is big enough?? Have you seen the new Samsung Galaxy Note???
5,3" 1280x800 pixels 1,4 GHz...... I think that I fall in love....
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Thank you!. Did you test it? Some review say that it's a bit laggy...
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I haven't tested any of the software mentioned yet, but i am guessing it depends on the device the software is used with.
Pere said:
Who said that 5" is big enough?? Have you seen the new Samsung Galaxy Note???
5,3" 1280x800 pixels 1,4 GHz...... I think that I fall in love....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bfMmMrUwRnI#t=7s
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Yes its a beautiful device, but is going to be expensive on release, you can get Dell Streaks quite cheap even new now, especially on Fleebay, you can buy new with warranty at quite a reasonable price.
Pere said:
http://bit.ly/nVOJok
It's hard to recognize it, but the sunset of our loved TG01 is coming....
I have a pair of TG01 and I love them, are the state of the art with WM. But WM is dead: all new software is for Iphone or Android. So, sooner or later, I'll jump to another device.
My problem is that I'm a Windows Mobile user since 2005 and absolutely ignorant regarding other operating systems.
I suppose that I'm not the only in this situation, and I'd like to know your opinions as you have already moved to other devices, from the point of view of a former WM 6.x user.
My son has a Iphone 4 and , jailbreaked, and it's impressive. On the other part, i love the specs of the last Android's Samsung Galaxy SII, specially after knowing that Host USB is possible on it.
Please contribute with your opinions , personal reviews, useful links, and specially, I'd like to create a table of programs on Android and Iphone OS, able to replace the hundred of WM programs (more or less) that I've got in my TG01.
Waiting your comments.
Thank you!
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Pere, I was also a hardcore wm fan. But I moved on to android, and never looked back!
Android is so promising and as statistics show, the best in the market!!
The S
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olyloh6696 said:
Pere, I was also a hardcore wm fan. But I moved on to android, and never looked back!
Android is so promising and as statistics show, the best in the market!!
The S2 is an great phone, but if I were you wait for the release of iPhone 5 first (just a few days time) to see which is best to upgrade from
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I'm still sticking with my TG01 for the time being, as I'm out of work and can't afford anything else. After installing S2U2 and iPhoneToday (both free from XDA) it feels like a brand new device with lots of life left in it.
Eventually I will move on to Android, probably either a top-end HTC or Samsung Galaxy variant.
R.I.P. Windows Mobile!
My MUST:
Screen bigger than TG01
Full Host USB
TV HD out
Two target:
Samsung Note;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AKk9RZLmoBw
Samsung Nexus one
http://youtu.be/paDABBppckk
If you are chosing one of those two Galaxsy Note is my pick but I prefer Samsung Galaxsy Nexsus Prime! That is a phone for you my friend
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So,
I've read reviews and tech specs and on paper at least the flyer seems to outwit the galaxy tab, which is the only other real contender.
So as my sig says, I've had a desire for ages now and think its the best thing since latex! So I am heavily bias towards getting another HTC.
BUT .....................
With a lack of Dev interest, and still tentatively waiting on any kind of official HTC unlocking of bootloaders, is it still a better choice to go with than the well established dev community for the galaxy tab?
An a few questions for peeps already using the flyer, is it possible at all to do HDMI mirroring or at least HDMI video playback? An can you access the internal memory as a flash drive as you would with the desire?
Many thanks in advance.
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There is a Flyer versus Galaxy Tab 10.1 thread in this subforum, so you should check that out. Although the GT 10.1 is a much larger form factor, and running Honeycomb. So not quite the same comparison you are talking about, with the 1st gen Galaxy Tab's 7-inch form factor and existing developer community.
I too am a strong supporter of HTC (on my 3rd HTC phone), and that is one of the main reasons I got the Flyer. I haven't checked out what the Gingerbread update for the 1st gen Galaxy Tab is like, or custom ROMs. But the stock Flyer experience is much more polished than the GT stock Froyo ROM. Plus, the Flyer has higher CPU and memory specs.
I'm a bit concerned about developer interest as well. Hopefully, things will ramp up, the device is still very new. Not sure if its the locked bootloader, HTC's stronger protections against rooting on more recent products, or an increasingly crowded tablet market, that is slowing up developer interest. But I'm still keeping my fingers crossed . . .
Why not wait a couple of months for the 10" HTC tablet, the bigger brother of the Flyer?
7" tablets are for different use than the 10" devices, just like the difference between netbook and 15" laptop.
for HDMI you will need to purchase an additional cable http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=209996
I have bee fooling around with the Flyer since monday and I am extremely happy with it. The thre main uses are: reading while commuting - most time in Pulse/Reader, using the Notes and Email app in meetings at work and reading and media consumption back home.
The 7 inch form factor is real win for most uses except for couch surfing. Sitting the tablet on my lap I would not mind the extra realestate of the 10 inch tablet. Sense makes me pretty much forget I am not using Honeycomb specific apps.
I wouldn't mind the Flyer being a bit lighter.
Overall I give the Flyer a big thumbs up. And I still consider the flyer a novelty that will attract the developer crowd eventually.
nxtwrld said:
for HDMI
Overall I give the Flyer a big thumbs up. And I still consider the flyer a novelty that will attract the developer crowd eventually.
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I totally agree with you ! a 7" tablets is the best choice for mobility, and Flyer is the one!
I have been trying all the tablets, but at the end of the day, if you are on the move and need portability, the flyer is the way to go. If you are just couch surfing, then get a 10".
I have been using my flyer for everything from couch surfing, to taking notes in meetings. It works very well, and is very reliable. It's my favorite tablet, and a keeper.
x5starguerillaa said:
So,
I've read reviews and tech specs and on paper at least the flyer seems to outwit the galaxy tab, which is the only other real contender.
So as my sig says, I've had a desire for ages now and think its the best thing since latex! So I am heavily bias towards getting another HTC.
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One thing to consider is that the 7" Tab is not likely to see much updating from Samsung in the future, my guess is that in their eyes it's EOL. They have new machines to support.
However there is a strong dev community for it and they will likely make improvements for a long time. That being said, it may never make the jump to Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich.
The Flyer, being new, is just starting it's vendor support life cycle and they SAY it will be upgraded to at least Honeycomb (no firm date, but at least they are saying it will be).
If they do unlock the boot-loader, which would most likely happen during a major update I would think (keep it locked until the HC upgrade to make it easier on tech support maybe?), the Flyer may end up being a highly supported device, just because it's one of the few 7" machines out there.
I very much considered the Tab, even had it in my Amazon cart for a while before deciding that I wanted to buy the Flyer. Would have preferred to spend less, but I'll likely use it for a number of years so $500 vs $350 isn't much of a problem. I needed a 7" screen for portability and I've been very happy with it so far.
Several reasons for Flyer over GT 7. Better processor, Better Screen (Super LCD vs TFT), Sense, Pen integration (don't spend $80, get a Fujitsu one for $30.) It is flat out faster in use. Better Rear camera. Stronger case. Longer support life. Def worth the $150 difference.
I have a Flyer but it is going back. I've enjoyed it for a week now but it's not satisfying me 100%.
Coming from a Galaxy S phone with much better codec support out of the box, the Flyer is disappointing. At least there's Mobo player.
No way to Bluetooth tether since Android hates adhoc networks, annoying (even though the Transformer apparently does BT tether).
Very nice device and the form factor is nice, nearly perfect, but at $500 plus tax I expected a bit more satisfaction.
So far the only thing I am missing is the phone.
Is it possible to add the HTC Phone into the Flyer by an firmware upgrade ?
I also am considering the Flyer just waiting for a price drop or if I can save enough for it. Few questions however:
1. Does the flyer do hdmi mirroring or just video playback?
2. Are the games user friendly from onlive ?
3. What type of movies aren't playing well? I really don't need the highest quality movies as long as its decent quality I'm ok with that?
4. Also is the notes app well developed im an engineer student so the idea of taking notes during a class like dynamics or controls writing hints and drawing diagrams on slides
Sounds very appealing. How well would that notes app work if I'm constantly writing?
I was looking at the galaxy tab but it seems to lack external ports such as usb microsd slot and hdmi. I'm a big hdmi user so thar automatically cancels any tablet for me if I can't use hdmi mirroring.
So I'm also curious about the Ee pad memo and the webos touchpad. Does anyone know if the touchpad and eepad memo will have hdmi mirroring thru cable or will an external port be needed?
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Personally... if the Flyer was released @ the same time as the Desire HD I'd have picked it up in a heart beat.
But with Dual Core comming up....
I'd say wait till HTC nxt offering.
I recently bought the Flyer along with the Playbook and iPad 2. Having them together was the easiest way to compare for me. The Playbook killed the Flyer in all categories for me with the exception of app selection and quality. I literally only found 5 apps that I wanted to download. The Flyer performed pretty well with the exception of many FC. HTC Watch adds a cool way to purchase content. The cam and especially video recording was not nearly as good as the PB, but better than the iPad in that dept.
In the end I kept the iPad 2. For me it was the biggest bang for the same money. There's a crazy amount of high quality apps like Hulu, Netflix and tons of solid games. I use my tablets at home for web browsing and at work for watching videos and listening to podcasts on my breaks. The larger screen is much better for me, but there is something to be said for the portable nature of the smaller screen. If the price was lower on the Flyer and included the pen for the wifi only version I'd recommend it highly, but the pricing with the pen is seriously too high. Sense 3.0 is pretty fantastic, but reminds me of a bigger version of my Evo.
I'm an Android phone user/lover but I have yet to find an Android tablet that does it for me.
waltah! said:
I recently bought the Flyer along with the Playbook and iPad 2. Having them together was the easiest way to compare for me. The Playbook killed the Flyer in all categories for me with the exception of app selection and quality. I literally only found 5 apps that I wanted to download. The Flyer performed pretty well with the exception of many FC. HTC Watch adds a cool way to purchase content. The cam and especially video recording was not nearly as good as the PB, but better than the iPad in that dept.
In the end I kept the iPad 2. For me it was the biggest bang for the same money. There's a crazy amount of high quality apps like Hulu, Netflix and tons of solid games. I use my tablets at home for web browsing and at work for watching videos and listening to podcasts on my breaks. The larger screen is much better for me, but there is something to be said for the portable nature of the smaller screen. If the price was lower on the Flyer and included the pen for the wifi only version I'd recommend it highly, but the pricing with the pen is seriously too high. Sense 3.0 is pretty fantastic, but reminds me of a bigger version of my Evo.
I'm an Android phone user/lover but I have yet to find an Android tablet that does it for me.
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Actually, it's Sense 2.1, not 3.0.
I have now had the flyer for 4 days now and I owned every tablet on the market, and the Flyer is bar-none the best I have used.
I wouldn't sell this things for a $1000, I love the Flyer. Is very underrated in every way, plus the performance wipes other tablets *** thus far.
darkknight1114 said:
I have now had the flyer for 4 days now and I owned every tablet on the market, and the Flyer is bar-none the best I have used.
I wouldn't sell this things for a $1000, I love the Flyer. Is very underrated in every way, plus the performance wipes other tablets *** thus far.
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Only if it had the phone dialer it couldn't be any perfecter....
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Actually, it's Sense 2.1, not 3.0.
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Sense 3.0 has the "ring" multi-function lock screen, HTC Trace on the keyboard, and new weather app.
Or does the Flyer have Sense 2.1 with some 3.0 features?
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I recently bought the Flyer along with the Playbook and iPad 2. Having them together was the easiest way to compare for me. The Playbook killed the Flyer in all categories for me with the exception of app selection and quality. I literally only found 5 apps that I wanted to download. The Flyer performed pretty well with the exception of many FC. HTC Watch adds a cool way to purchase content. The cam and especially video recording was not nearly as good as the PB, but better than the iPad in that dept.
In the end I kept the iPad 2. For me it was the biggest bang for the same money. There's a crazy amount of high quality apps like Hulu, Netflix and tons of solid games. I use my tablets at home for web browsing and at work for watching videos and listening to podcasts on my breaks. The larger screen is much better for me, but there is something to be said for the portable nature of the smaller screen. If the price was lower on the Flyer and included the pen for the wifi only version I'd recommend it highly, but the pricing with the pen is seriously too high. Sense 3.0 is pretty fantastic, but reminds me of a bigger version of my Evo.
I'm an Android phone user/lover but I have yet to find an Android tablet that does it for me.
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sorry but the playbook can't touch the Flyer, everything about the playbook is lame. Also the Flyer out performers the playbook as the Flyer is much snappier and faster even On a single core.
compared my flyer to a co-workers playbook today.
A little off topic but I didn't want to create a new thread....will this sub-forum be used for the EVO View 4G when it's released? It's the same tablet but with wimax.
I thought the question would've been posed already. To be honest i'm thinking the GS2 will be faster than the Galaxy Nexus with ICS. What do you owners of the GS2 think? Anyone jumping ship?
Doesn't the galaxy nexus have hardware acceleration built into the UI?
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I weighed this decision heavily for a few days before getting my SGS2.
The Nexus has a weaker GPU, no MicroSD slot, and a 720p screen, but it's a pentile screen. More info on that that means: http://www.tested.com/news/pentile-vs-real-stripe-amoled-displays-whats-different/1868/
It will also likely cost more, even on contract, but that's my speculation.
Ultimately, I wasn't willing to lose storage expansion and GPU power to gain higher resolution. The usable area of the screen isn't bigger because of the onscreen home keys.
Plus, we have MikeyMike01's ROM here.
SGS2, like the Captivate before it, just seems like the sweet spot.
Robstunner the galaxy nexus has hardware acceleration with ics. As much as the gn will be awesome besides the larger qhd screen I am probably going to stuck with the sgs2 as the specs compared to the gn is not that much different to warrant the change over. Just my opinion.
Hth,
Charlie
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5000/galaxy-nexus-pentile-discussion-confirmed
Read that about the pixel per inch controversy.
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Yea I'm sticking with my sgs2...
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I'm glad to see everyone is excited about their GS2. You guys are making my decision easy. I have a Sensation and i'm on tmobile but I'm going to terminate early. Thank God for the prorating of the early termination
GN is kinda meh... This nexus is blah this time around. 720p screen is nice but me personally, if i need a screen to watch something, I'll watch it on my 52" 1080p lcd, thank you.
I'll stay with my "superphone" the sgs2.
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Not for Galaxy nexus. IPHONE 5/6 maybe but have to be at least 4.3" screen.
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I'm sorry but someone would honestly have to pay me to get an iPhone and to keep it. I just can't follow the sheep in front of me. CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE....
"Dare to be different"
The GS2 has sold 10 million units. Guess who will have the most ROMs....
Ill get it if its made of metal and has a nicely contoured back. As much as I like this phone I hate Samsung plastic and flat backs. Imo my inspire was perfect ergonomically
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I'm sorry but someone would honestly have to pay me to get an iPhone and to keep it. I just can't follow the sheep in front of me. CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE CUSTOMIZE....
"Dare to be different"
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*Takes in a long breath*
You can customize the look and feel of an iPhone heavily and IMO it is hands down the best mobile device ever invented, in fact it was so successful that it spawned the iPod touch and the iPad. all 3 are essentially the same device and apple knows this and has forced/convinced consumers the world over that they need these products in their lives, some people own all 3 in fact, as well as other apple products. *I myself am one of them.*
For me I see android as a great mobile platform with a ton of tweaking and customizing fun to be had and enjoyed. The iPhone excels at music/media playback and has an amazing battery. The device is dependable and refined and will never let you down. Android phones however. *Doesn't matter which....* are usually faster over all performers and have more settings and tweaks than iPhone's do natively.
I had a G1, then went to an iPhone 3GS, then the iPhone 4. I was all ready to get an iphone 5 as I had gotten an iPad2 and was bored with having the same device twice and wanted something different/better.
Then I saw the 4s and was severely disappointed. I got a Galaxy S II because it had a better camera than my iPhone 4. A larger Screen, upgradeable/removable storage, a removable battery, and a faster cpu/gpu with more ram.
I love apple products. They just work, and work well. They're very reliable, and they do have a high buy-in price. However I personally, as do many other users feel its worth it.
I love everything about my G S II, and I think android is a solid and ever evolving mobile platform/OS. I want to see it succeed as I envision it doing so. Although I hate the music app on this phone and it has me missing my iPod, its not enough to take away from how amazing the S II is.
dont forget the 5mp cam too
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You can customize the look and feel of an iPhone heavily and IMO it is hands down the best mobile device ever invented, in fact it was so successful that it spawned the iPod touch and the iPad. all 3 are essentially the same device and apple knows this and has forced/convinced consumers the world over that they need these products in their lives, some people own all 3 in fact, as well as other apple products. *I myself am one of them.*
For me I see android as a great mobile platform with a ton of tweaking and customizing fun to be had and enjoyed. The iPhone excels at music/media playback and has an amazing battery. The device is dependable and refined and will never let you down. Android phones however. *Doesn't matter which....* are usually faster over all performers and have more settings and tweaks than iPhone's do natively.
I had a G1, then went to an iPhone 3GS, then the iPhone 4. I was all ready to get an iphone 5 as I had gotten an iPad2 and was bored with having the same device twice and wanted something different/better.
Then I saw the 4s and was severely disappointed. I got a Galaxy S II because it had a better camera than my iPhone 4. A larger Screen, upgradeable/removable storage, a removable battery, and a faster cpu/gpu with more ram.
I love apple products. They just work, and work well. They're very reliable, and they do have a high buy-in price. However I personally, as do many other users feel its worth it.
I love everything about my G S II, and I think android is a solid and ever evolving mobile platform/OS. I want to see it succeed as I envision it doing so. Although I hate the music app on this phone and it has me missing my iPod, its not enough to take away from how amazing the S II is.
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I'm going to have to disagree on all accounts. iOS is NOT heavily customizable and it is far from the best device created. I will agree that it is the easiest phone to use but that is about it.
Changing wallpaper is not my idea of customization. I know you can hack the crap out of the iphone and do a bunch of stuff after a jailbreak but its no android phone. I don't agree that iphone excels at music/media playback and that is the iPhone not third party applications. Yea you can sync with itunes (which is crap) and your videos are converted and transferred automatically, which again leads to it being the simipliest device, but that does not make it a multimedia powerhouse. Android devices come with HDMI out (not the SGS2).
Basically the iPhone has its place but its not with techies. Its a great "dumb" phone but not the best and it may never be. That is up to Apple.
I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... I will not get into an iOS vs android rant ... okay, that's better
I agree the music implementation in android is great. I like what Samsung has done with the player controls on the lock screen and notification shade. I use Pandora mostly, and its the same on both. I always felt one of the best commercials for android would have been: "If you don't have an iPhone, you don't have iTunes ... you're welcome." I was excited to stop the weekly 80MB iTunes updates when I got my Captivate. Joyous beyond measure I could drag and drop my music and movies myself. Plus, I can share everything I have with others without having to get floola, or iTunes, just send it or plug in.
But, I have never purchased an iProduct before or since my iPhone. I was a Zune user, and loved letting my iPod owning friends play with it, waiting for them to drop their jaw and comment on built in FM, WiFi, twice the screen size, and a user interface that a newbie can use. When I used their ipods I always gave up trying to navigate those menus.
Back to the task at hand ... yes Galaxy Nexus is a hardware dissapointment. I liken it to the iPhone 4S "upgrade" that took 16 months to come out. Like the iPhone event was really about Siri, the Nexus event was really about ICS. I think we'll have all the ICS goodness soon.
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To each their own I guess... just voicing my opinion. Android is a stronger platform than iOS with more functionality and tweakability, but iOS does work easier and in some places better I think. I'm not hating on one or the other, just stating my opinion. I really wish the music app in android was handled better. I miss my genius playlist abilities and smart shuffle.
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Why switch to a new phone which only has a 5MP camera compared to
our phone which has an 8MP camera?
Also why would it be an advantage to give up our external sdcard slot?
Under the hood both have just about the same "horse power" with
Dual-core 1.2 GHz processors and an excellent GPU chipset.
Both having 1GB of ram as well.
Also you will find that even though the Samsung Galaxy Nexus has higher
resolution and a larger screen than our SGS2 has, if you put the two side
by side our Samsung SGS2 has noticeably larger default text fonts making
it by far easier to read.
I know we can change the text font sizes, however most if not all the apps
and games available for our phones are designed to use the default fonts
not only performance, but also for the very best appearance that's possible.
Not only is the text larger on our phones but anything and everything on the
screen is larger.
As far as game play goes, most games are designed to look and work best in a
more standardized resolution like our phones have.
Just my personal opinion
I thought the topic was gn vs gs2? Where is apple in there?
I was drooling watching the nexus event but the truth is my gs2 should run ics without issue and hopefully we aren't waiting too long for official ics update.
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Misterjunky said:
Why switch to a new phone which only has a 5MP camera compared to our phone which has an 8MP camera?
Also why would it be an advantage to give up our external sdcard slot?
Under the hood both have just about the same "horse power" with
Dual-core 1.2 GHz processors and an excellent GPU chipset.
Both having 1GB of ram as well.
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after seeing the unveiling, these were the exact things i was thinking of... a "worse" camera, and the same specs under the hood... pretty underwhelming if you ask me.
I just wanted to share my experiences with the ASUS Transformer Prime after 7 days of owning one...
So when the Prime was first announced, I immediately decided that was going to the first and only Android tablet I get.
It had the specs. It had the looks. It had the good initial reviews.
Then when the Prime was released in the US, the first rumblings started to come out that the Prime was not as perfect as it seemed.
I was determined not to pay too much attention to the issues that people were having and wait to get mine to make my own mind up.
So on 2nd Feb, bought my Prime. And the first 48 hours were great; the tab had excellent build quality, the OS was nippy and there was the added novelty of the keyboard dock.
Boredom set in; there are not a lot of Android tablet apps out there; the apps that were updated to work with ICS scaled up beautifully, but are still very limited. The few optimised apps I could find were just OK, not great.
Also really dumb things began to irk me within the OS; setting something as simple as wallpaper was hit and miss. Sometimes the display would refuse to show icons or widgets without a reboot.
Then the bottom segment of the display would glitch and flash.
Talking of Flash, once I installed Flash 11 on the Prime, the performance took a bit of a hit; the browser was sluggish and wouldn't render properly;
I also had issues with DLNA; the devices in my house (Xbox, PS3, iPhone, Mac) can all see the folders on my Buffalo NAS with no issues. The Prime refused to see anything but the Music folder.
Bad.
Then we had the hardware issues.
The issue with GPS is well known; no lock whatsoever indoors…Outside, 5 MINS to get a lock on ONE satellite.
I thought "meh, it's not like I'm gonna use it…"
- Wi-fi signal would drop even when I was close to the router and even on a clear channel
- Camera quality for an 8MP camera was not as good as the iPhone 4S
- Light bleed on the right side of the display was bad as well…
- Battery was lasting 6-8hrs max;
It was at this point, I started thinking: This has just cost me £500.
It was something that I had been looking forward for weeks, had saved and sacrificed for… and I'm disappointed with it…
£500 is a lot of money for a device with so many flaws; it felt like a beta product.
It also didn't help that ASUS decided to announce an upgraded model with a fix for the GPS issues and that will probably have a better QA process.
Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
In hindsight, it was probably too early for me to get an Android tablet. As much as I like to tinker, at the same time I need something that is functional and just works.
I returned the Prime today; gutted I had to, but there too many issues and niggles that would have prevented me from justifying spending £500 on something that's not ready for primetime (excuse the pun).
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There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
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Attacking the Prime gets you flamed. Attacking Android gets you incinerated. Be prepared.
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Attacking the Prime gets you flamed. Attacking Android gets you incinerated. Be prepared.
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It's not an attack, thank you.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S2 and it's brilliant; I've had no issues with it in nearly a year and it's been rooted and all sorts.
Android is a great platform, but the critical mass is not there for apps yet.
The Prime is a cracking bit of kit; ASUS kinda screwed up by releasing a hyped product with so many issues, then made it worse by announcing an better version within days of the retail launch.
The point was to share experience, not start a flame war. Your post doesn't help.
Just return and it wait for a tablet that works properly. This forum is full of people trying to justify their 600 dollar purchase with blind fanboy logic. Any idiot can see this tablet has severe issues, some of which no software update will ever fix.
So let me save people the time and I will post the responses you are likely to hear.
"Mine works just fine.. sucks for you"
"Must be user error".
"My wifi works great"( manyof these people are clueless on how to even test wifi signal)
And the ever popular "cool story bro"
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I actually thik the opposite. IMO, iOS sucks. Apple was never a cloud company and it is still a cloud wannabe. Google has always been a cloud company. Gmail, Docs, Chrome, great stuff. I am quite content with the apps available for Android. I even found QGET for my QNAP, was surprised to see that. More will come.
Good decision imho. It didnt do what you bought it for (what ever that was, not clear to me from your post).
I'm still very happy with it. No issues. Yeah software could (and will) be better. But this thing does everything i need and it does it good. Watching full high quality flash in the browser is a huge plus for me.
One thing though, i never had an ipad - so i guess i dont know how it is when you have dozes of "tablet" apps.
What is different about those compared to apps on android tablets? The layout of them? The features? I really like the idea behind ICS and the unification of apps for phones/tablets. Only problem it was just released^^ Think about the first 6 months the ipad was out.
But still i have a nice looking "tablet" app for everything i need. Great pdf reader&book reader, very nice newspaper app was already installed offering local newspapers. The music app is stunning and feels just so good, Gmail, Polaris office, many very good choices on browsers, video player software and keyboards. Stuff like Titanium Backup? Not even windows has such a good backup system.
The simple and accessible file system android has... I dont know iOS just has absolutely no chance on a tablet compared to android. IMHO. I'm sounding like a fanboy but plz show me why iOS is so much better on a tablet? There must be some really freakin awesome apps^^
[e] just had an important thought:
I think there is a big difference. Jobs once said today its all about apps on mobile devices. People want to use an app for everything instead of using the "internet". At least thats what apple advertises... But for me that isnt true at all. When i read news, i use the browser and if I want to watch starcraft games or TV i use websites for that as well. Google is a total browser company, chrome alone shows that. And i guess thats why ios will never be better for what i'm looking for.
i cant see apple last forever. Android is individuality. iOS is conformity. Now think about what modern society is and how people are today.
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There just simply are not enough decent quality or killer apps for Android tablet at the moment. Specs mean nothing without content to take advantage of them.
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Although I love Android and my Prime, I completely agree with this statement 100%. That's what I've been telling people when they try to be like oh there's a new model tf-700 coming out, or new Lenovo crap tablet, or Samsung Ipad wannabe tablet, or whatever with higher specs. Higher specs don't mean jack of we don't have the software to fully utilize it. Its no secret that Android tablets are more powerful spec wise than Ipad or ipad2. Thing apple has downpacked is they make the most with what they have. Apps are 100% optimized for the spec on IOS devices. Just like at the beginning here, when people were crying about 1Gb of rAM not being enough to succeed. Well tell that to the sales figures of ipad1 and ipad2. My ipad1 only has 256mb of RAM. Ipad2 only has 512mb of RAM. Yet they own majority of tablet market n sell the most. The software and hardware apple brings mesh very well. I got tired of being locked down to Apples rules and very glad I got my Android tablet. My Prime kills ipad1 or 2 n looks or power or whatever. BUT they still have advantage of having wayyyy more tablet only optimized apps. There's no denying it. App store has a huge section dedicated to just tablet apps only. Makes it easier for people to distinguish between phone n tablet optimized apps.
Like I've always debated before, software is the key to Android success. Not constantly throwing hardware or higher specs at the issue. What good is a 3Ghz speed(example) new Android tablet, if its pushing the same on crap like Joe schmoe is on his cheap android phone? That's all I've been trying to say. ANDROID needs to concentrate more on the OS optimizing and the software or we will always be behind. As far as app quality goes. ANDROID is getting there though. But needs to pick up the pace fast. Especially with windows trying to jump back into the scene. Remember before there was every an android or IOS, Microsoft n windows ruled mobile. Like from my Kaiser(Tilt) n Rhodium(tilt2) days. I remember thinkn those phones were so high tech n could do so much. It was the ending of an era that brought way to IOS n Android. They were fresh n new n had killer features also. Real touch screens. Capacitive. Not that resistive touch screen crap that my old phones had. I even had a Motorola original Razed back in the day. Very high tech for its time. AS we see times are changing. It takes alot more to please people now. Just having higher specs won't do it anymore. ANDROID HAS to come with more than that. We have soon much untapped potential with Android. But like they say, Potential don't mean sh#! If its not put to use properly I have faith n Android believe it will eventually get to where it should be.
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clouds5 said:
Good decision imho. It didnt do what you bought it for (what ever that was, not clear to me from your post).
I'm still very happy with it. No issues. Yeah software could (and will) be better. But this thing does everything i need and it does it good. Watching full high quality flash in the browser is a huge plus for me.
One thing though, i never had an ipad - so i guess i dont know how it is when you have dozes of "tablet" apps.
What is different about those compared to apps on android tablets? The layout of them? The features? I really like the idea behind ICS and the unification of apps for phones/tablets. Only problem it was just released^^ Think about the first 6 months the ipad was out.
But still i have a nice looking "tablet" app for everything i need. Great pdf reader&book reader, very nice newspaper app was already installed offering local newspapers. The music app is stunning and feels just so good, Gmail, Polaris office, many very good choices on browsers, video player software and keyboards. Stuff like Titanium Backup? Not even windows has such a good backup system.
The simple and accessible file system android has... I dont know iOS just has absolutely no chance on a tablet compared to android. IMHO. I'm sounding like a fanboy but plz show me why iOS is so much better on a tablet? There must be some really freakin awesome apps^^
[e] just had an important thought:
I think there is a big difference. Jobs once said today its all about apps on mobile devices. People want to use an app for everything instead of using the "internet". At least thats what apple advertises... But for me that isnt true at all. When i read news, i use the browser and if I want to watch starcraft games or TV i use websites for that as well. Google is a total browser company, chrome alone shows that. And i guess thats why ios will never be better for what i'm looking for.
i cant see apple last forever. Android is individuality. iOS is conformity. Now think about what modern society is and how people are today.
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I Approve this message great points
Thanks for the responses!
It was a real wretch giving the tablet back; I love the flexibility of Android and it will get there in time...
I might even get the Prime again in a 6-12 months time... which is an ages when it comes to technology
I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed on lol, wake up and look at all the complaints on the forums the man is correct. And we all know android has potential but if the development is not there now then android is not there . That simple stop crying about how android is better
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I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed on lol, wake up and look at all the complaints on the forums the man is correct. And we all know android has potential but if the development is not there now then android is not there . That simple stop crying about how android is better
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All I said was bye
FluidDynamic said:
Thanks for the responses!
It was a real wretch giving the tablet back; I love the flexibility of Android and it will get there in time...
I might even get the Prime again in a 6-12 months time... which is an ages when it comes to technology
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Yeah...its just so messed up how Asus tainted this Prime launch. Prime is an excellent device when you have a good working one. Like me I wouldn't trade my prime for any other tablet. It works so great for me. SERIOUSLY. BUT I KNOW there are defective ones out there so it messes up the experience for that person. For me this 5 core tegra3 device kicks ass. For others with defective devices, they are really disappointed n I can understand the anger behind it. But not all are that way though. The ones that aren't will always speak up n support it because of how much we enjoy it. Good luck on future tablet.
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All I said was bye
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Shouldn't you be gone then? xD
He's not talking about you specifically. People need to know the difference between generalisation/blanket statements and the particulars, like my teacher always says. :3
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Shouldn't you be gone then? xD
He's not talking about you specifically. People need to know the difference between generalisation/blanket statements and the particulars, like my teacher always says. :3
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No, no, no, I was telling him bye (very coolly I thought), I wasn't leaving. I was one of the lucky ones with the prime from 01/27 plus I got a year ADH from BB so if they fix the GPS then I will replace it based on the GPS listed on the box. Besides look at my sig.
Just realized there is a whole cool story bro world out there. Okay to the OP I gonna post one that maybe you haven't seen to cheer you up, I think he is from across the pond. BTW I bought my first OG transfomer in Oct fully 7 months after original release so that should work out for you
Later 2 I sold mine on eBay for a good deal, as I am happy and my customer is happy. I'm waiting about 10 more days for the Samsung Galaxy Note. I'm still interested in where the android technology goes in 2012. If they can't make things stronger this year they may lose their chance to be the 'best other option' with the windows tablets coming out. I believe they will be good as well.
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I think its sad that someone leave a honest review gets flamed.
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From years on forums discussing mobile devices, here's some etiquette type things I've learned.
1) Android vs. iOS - It's like comparing a diesel car to a hybrid. They both achieve the same result but totally differently. Owners of both will vigorously defend their choice. They don't need to be repeated here, but both Android and iOS have their own unique strengths and weaknesses. Saying iOS is "better" (which is subjective anyway) is a sure way of starting a flame war. Same thing applies in reverse on an Apple forum. Detente is the best anyone can hope for.
2) The "Grand Farewell" - If someone's leaving a device over issues, chances are there's already a thread open on said issues. If saying good-bye to people you don't know who really don't care what device you're leaving for or why is important to you, say it in that thread. Addressing an entire forum's audience on the front page announcing your plans is a bit self-indulgent.
3) The "I Just Got My Device" - Unless there's something unique about your particular unit, no one really cares. Theoretically they should all be the same and thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people preceded you. If you need validation, find another "I Just Got My Device" thread and bump that one with a hearty “Me Too!”
4) "My "X" Device is Better Than This Forum's "Y" Device - It's like going over to someone's house for dinner and calling them ugly. If there's a comparison thread, fine, it's open season. To jump in to a thread discussing the host forum's device and say "I don't have any issues with my ’X’" adds no value and just pisses people off; especially if they’re working through an issue. Chances are the "X" device may not have said issue but has its own which might even be worse. No one needs a “device pissing match” in the middle of an issue thread.
Just something to think about...
Now this is a proper way to share your experience and say farewell. I really appreciate that you did not disrespect the users, and stayed on topic and provided proper, no-rage fueled reasoning. Really sorry that you were not satisfied with your purchase, and it is your every right to switch to another gadget.
Would love to see you back when ICS ages a bit and Prime gets its issues solved. Me on the other hand, I am very happy with the prime.
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Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
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Keeping it constructive - Sky Go app coming very soon for Android Tablets (End of Feb), iPlayer works like a charm, you have to request the desktop site from the browser, BBCHD videos are smooth as silk.
Looking forward to my flight from the UK to Australia in a couple of weeks with my Prime in tow, portable HDD connected to the USB port on the dock with 300GB of movies, this is my in flight entertainment!!
I have lightbleed, doesn't bother me, GPS is cack also, again it's what you want the tablet for and are willing to put up with - yes it's not perfect, but what is? I had an iPad2 and it kept slipping out of my hands as it was so heavy and the aluminium case was so slippy, had a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but sold it due to Tegra2 being rubbish and not wanting to convert all my movies to a format IT was happy with
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I also had issues with DLNA; the devices in my house (Xbox, PS3, iPhone, Mac) can all see the folders on my Buffalo NAS with no issues. The Prime refused to see anything but the Music folder.
Bad.
Software-wise, Android has momentum… but it's not there yet.
I wanted to use BBC iPlayer; there is no app for tablets available and you can't even use the website because it's not supported; it's the same with Sky Go.
Both of these services have fully functional iPad apps, by the way.
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In hindsight, it was probably too early for me to get an Android tablet. As much as I like to tinker, at the same time I need something that is functional and just works.
I returned the Prime today; gutted I had to, but there too many issues and niggles that would have prevented me from justifying spending £500 on something that's not ready for primetime (excuse the pun).
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seriously why didn't you buy an ipad or any stuff apple sells to people think like you?
I have a two year old son that loves to play eith my S2 and S3's phones.Im looking to get a tab and its ether gonna be Nexus or Ipad 4.If it was for me alone it would be a Nexus without a question.But i want my son to use it and as everyone knows that android really lacks good apps for children(i have tryed almost all of them),and ipad has way better apps for children.
But im going to be using it too to play emulators and movies.My question is how much worse is ipad compared to Nexus?I dont want to dish out $500 for a piece of crap that is only good for children's apps.I know there is no roms for ipad but is there any custimization like themes and deleting system apk's?
Ok to make it short,anyone here that owned both and can tell me is ipad actually that much worse the Nexus or other android tabs?
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I have a two year old son that loves to play eith my S2 and S3's phones.Im looking to get a tab and its ether gonna be Nexus or Ipad 4.If it was for me alone it would be a Nexus without a question.But i want my son to use it and as everyone knows that android really lacks good apps for children(i have tryed almost all of them),and ipad has way better apps for children.
But im going to be using it too to play emulators and movies.My question is how much worse is ipad compared to Nexus?I dont want to dish out $500 for a piece of crap that is only good for children's apps.I know there is no roms for ipad but is there any custimization like themes and deleting system apk's?
Ok to make it short,anyone here that owned both and can tell me is ipad actually that much worse the Nexus or other android tabs?
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We are an Android (me) and Apple (husband) household. We have a 4 year old gadget lover. As much as it pains me to say it, there are WAY more children's apps in the Apple world Some really very nice ones. So he uses my husband's old Ipad 1 and an iPod Touch. Having said that, there is one cool thing about Android and kids. You can get some nice apps that create a sandbox on your device that keeps them in a very kidsafe environment with access to only the apps you want them to play with. No access to system settings, etc. Famigo, Kid Mode by Zoodles. iPad doesn't let you use apps like that. And with the new multi-user logins with 4.2 it makes it even easier to keep your stuff separate from kid's stuff.
I have no experience with the emulators, can't help you there. Playing movies should be fine on either device. iPad is a good piece of hardware. Very stable. If you jailbreak them you can do more customization with them, but I think there is still no jailbreak for the latest version of ios on the new iPads? I might be a touch out of date on that.
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We are an Android (me) and Apple (husband) household. We have a 4 year old gadget lover. As much as it pains me to say it, there are WAY more children's apps in the Apple world Some really very nice ones. So he uses my husband's old Ipad 1 and an iPod Touch. Having said that, there is one cool thing about Android and kids. You can get some nice apps that create a sandbox on your device that keeps them in a very kidsafe environment with access to only the apps you want them to play with. No access to system settings, etc. Famigo, Kid Mode by Zoodles. iPad doesn't let you use apps like that. And with the new multi-user logins with 4.2 it makes it even easier to keep your stuff separate from kid's stuff.
I have no experience with the emulators, can't help you there. Playing movies should be fine on either device. iPad is a good piece of hardware. Very stable. If you jailbreak them you can do more customization with them, but I think there is still no jailbreak for the latest version of ios on the new iPads? I might be a touch out of date on that. My husband is the Apple fan in this household.
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Thanx,i think im gonna sacrifice and get Ipad for my son,who knows maybe i end up liking it.Im a android fan and owned iphone 3g and 3gs it seems like they did not ipmrove much on the software side only the hardware.
lviv73 said:
Thanx,i think im gonna sacrifice and get Ipad for my son,who knows maybe i end up liking it.Im a android fan and owned iphone 3g and 3gs it seems like they did not ipmrove much on the software side only the hardware.
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That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated. Even my husband is starting to make "Android is looking good" noises and has been using my old Nexus 7 more and more it seems. But, it works. It's stable.
to be honest, once the ipad is jailbroken, it's a real beast with lots of awesome tweaks, and ROm does not exist in the iOS world. also way more cool apps on the ipad. if you're new to the ipad, you will love it. But to me, the UI is extremely boring since it doesn't change at all. I favor the nexus 10.
have you considered picking up an older ipad for your son? Like an ipad2? I'm not sure how much they are going for right now, so no idea if that's reasonable. But then you could still get your Nexus Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
>That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated.
That's the main beef against iOS, being stale. Now that Forstall (iOS ex-chief dude) got the axe and Ive bud taking over, things should get lively again. With Android's market-share munching this was inevitable anyway, with or without regime change.
@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle. Or Nexus 7. Frankly, for 2-yr munchkin I'd go for a cheapie like a Nook Color, slap CM on it and find some freeware doo-dads for babysit function. Handing a $500 device to somebody not even potty-trained doesn't strike me as good sense. Then again, my opinion of 2-yr bio-bombs is probably not as high as the respective parents'. Must...give...him...best...means...to...unleash...his...creative...genius. Yeah, OK.
>Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
Don't look now, but...
Oh yeah! I spaced on the Mini. That would be perfect. Kinda want to get one of those for my son for Christmas... but since hubby will want an iPad 4 sometime soon... I guess he'll just get the iPad 3 hand me down eventually.
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@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle.
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I think it depeds on the type of kid...
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>That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated.
That's the main beef against iOS, being stale. Now that Forstall (iOS ex-chief dude) got the axe and Ive bud taking over, things should get lively again. With Android's market-share munching this was inevitable anyway, with or without regime change.
@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle. Or Nexus 7. Frankly, for 2-yr munchkin I'd go for a cheapie like a Nook Color, slap CM on it and find some freeware doo-dads for babysit function. Handing a $500 device to somebody not even potty-trained doesn't strike me as good sense. Then again, my opinion of 2-yr bio-bombs is probably not as high as the respective parents'. Must...give...him...best...means...to...unleash...his...creative...genius. Yeah, OK.
>Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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and age really. I agree about the 2 year old... but if u have an older creative, science loving kid I can see android being the only way to go. Oh and ur avatar is pretty cool :^}
cwoodard73 said:
have you considered picking up an older ipad for your son? Like an ipad2? I'm not sure how much they are going for right now, so no idea if that's reasonable. But then you could still get your Nexus Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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Yes i did considered ipad2 and ipad3 but they are so expansive that i might as well add $150-200 dollars and get a new one.Apple crap stays expansive eve after 2-3 years,lol.
e.mote said:
>That is my impression of ios. It feels old, outdated.
That's the main beef against iOS, being stale. Now that Forstall (iOS ex-chief dude) got the axe and Ive bud taking over, things should get lively again. With Android's market-share munching this was inevitable anyway, with or without regime change.
@OP, why not the Mini for kiddie tyke? Cheaper, and much easier for toddler types to handle. Or Nexus 7. Frankly, for 2-yr munchkin I'd go for a cheapie like a Nook Color, slap CM on it and find some freeware doo-dads for babysit function. Handing a $500 device to somebody not even potty-trained doesn't strike me as good sense. Then again, my opinion of 2-yr bio-bombs is probably not as high as the respective parents'. Must...give...him...best...means...to...unleash...his...creative...genius. Yeah, OK.
>Or just get him an iPod Touch for now? Those aren't that expensive.
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He currently has Epic Touch 4g that i gave him after he threw it in a toilet about 6 moths ago(he past that stage now),i took it apart,dryed it out,cleaned it with alcohol and it still worked!!It worked except one minor thing,the power button does not work.I can use the power button only to turn on the phone but after that it does not work,only way to unlock the screen is to plug it in,receive a call or battery pull and restart.All this made it useless as a phone but its still good as a toy because it just stays on all the time.
He just got borred with all these childrens apps on android because they are not that good.
And im not spending $500 on a tab just for him,you better believe that im gonna be using it more then him,lol.I just call it asacrifice because if it was justbfor me then i would get an android tab.Ipad has VLC and that all that matters,i just wish it had 16:9 ratio,why apple got 4.3 ratio?idk.
I guess i will get the ipad for now and wait to get an android tab until Amoled tabs become cheaper.Im a huge fan of Amoled and own Epic,Epic Touch and two GS3's-i refuse to buy a phone without amoled screen.I thought about Toshiba Excite 7.7 but the devolopment for it on xda is nonexistent.
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to be honest, once the ipad is jailbroken, it's a real beast with lots of awesome tweaks, and ROm does not exist in the iOS world. also way more cool apps on the ipad. if you're new to the ipad, you will love it. But to me, the UI is extremely boring since it doesn't change at all. I favor the nexus 10.
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Agreed back in my days of ingnorance when i owned iphone 3gs,there are some things you can do to speed up ios and improve the battery life like removing about 1GB of unused languges,some libraries and more.
Now that i got some theeming expirience im gonna try to theme ios.There is proboly alot of things you can do with ios like theeming but the iphone crowd probably is not tech knowledgeble enough or just dont care about things like that.
>And im not spending $500 on a tab just for him,you better believe that im gonna be using it more then him,lol.
No I get ya. It's a bonding thing, doing some common activities with kiddie tyke. Familial stuff. Back in the day, we'd get one of these and be happy with it. But times have changed I guess.
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Call me counter-culture, but I would not give a tablet to a kid in the formative stage. People care so much about getting their kids' attention that they inadvertently help to make it worse, by exposing the kid to more and more distractive things. Before we have the boob tube. Now it's a portable (and interactive) boob tube, aka tablet. The Internet is a great learning tool, but it's also the worst in destroying people's ability to maintain focus. For toddlers, it's akin to handing them an MP3 player with the volume on full blast. You're helping your kid to get ADD.
OK, just one person's opinion. Why worry about some crank on the net, when we can rely on conventional wisdom, eh? I'm sure an iPad (or some tablet) is a fine learning tool. Lots of people are giving kids tablets nowaday as Xmas presents. Hey, if everybody is doing it, it must be OK, right?
But you must realize what his first online achievement will be, right? Sure, give him a couple more years, but dollars to donuts that the first thing kiddie learns will be to find a pron site. Yep, nekkid wymun is the Holy Grail. That hasn't changed, I don't think?
Yes, this crank would probably get kiddo a tablet, an Etch a Sketch. It'll teach him patience along with hand-eye coordination. And if he turns out to be the next artist extraordinaire, then he can give an indication with something like the below.
get an ipad mini for your son and a nexus 10 for you
I have the Nexus 10. You'll be bored of it, even with custom ROMs. I'm giving it to my brother and getting the iPad 4. Nexus 10 is nice and all, but just isn't there for me as a tablet.
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I had an iPad 3 and loved it, but I just can't support them really. $499 tablet and 100 billion in the bank and still suing people. They could do a lot more for customers like giving us better prices but they don't and price the outdated iPad mini at 329.
No comparison. Even the thew iPad4 with iOS 6.0.1 is a dumbpad. Tried using it but it's limited and restrictive like trying to draw with an etch a sketch. Wanted to throw it against the wall.
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I had an iPad 3 and loved it, but I just can't support them really. $499 tablet and 100 billion in the bank and still suing people. They could do a lot more for customers like giving us better prices but they don't and price the outdated iPad mini at 329.
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Im with you on this.Im a fan of OSX(probably only good thing they have) and wanted Mac Mini for my htpc but all this suing and the fact that i waited for them to beef up GPU to at least 512mb so i could play Civilization 4,what did they do instead?Gave us a new mac mini without a dedicated gpu option at all.
Even the osx is not that great anymore sinse Lion,SN Leopard was solid and other osx's was good.But Lion ui looks bland and grey and they are making it more like ios.Im gonna go with windows 8,because i dont want to support them and they lack good products.
I will still get the ipad though because educational apps for my son outweigh my person needs,im sure i will have some fun with it too and see if i can at least theme ios or change ui colors.
mi7chy said:
No comparison. Even the thew iPad4 with iOS 6.0.1 is a dumbpad. Tried using it but it's limited and restrictive like trying to draw with an etch a sketch. Wanted to throw it against the wall.
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Thats why its good for two year olds,lol.
What is even better for two year olds is not buying them apple junk. At best they will think you are financially irresponsible and not to be trusted with money matters. At worst you are giving them a giant head start into hipsterville. Apple products for children should be classified as a form of child abuse
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How are you?
I decided I'd share my story and give my insights about the Nexus 10. First a little background...
I have been an OSX user for some years. From Macbook, to Macbook Pro, to iMac, I have long ditched windows for my personal computing needs.
In the gadget front, I have always been an android user. Despite having thought about getting an iPad on some occasions, or even an iPhone, I never actually pulled the trigger.
Since my first smartphone, I have always used android phones, from 2.1, to froyo, to Ginger Bread, ICS and now Jelly bean.
After having several phones I settled for the galaxy nexus. I really like Google Web Services and the way they all just work with android and sync flawlessly.
I also love the Nexus pure android and timely updates.
Because I was so happy with my phone, when the nexus 7 came out, I bought a 16gb wifi unit. It was not my first android tablet. About a year ago I bought an HTC Flyer that a few months later I gave to my wife. At the time I had a Galaxy note and didn't use the tablet that much... But anyway...
I liked the Nexus 7. It is fast, good size, good portability. The device is not ideal for web browsing, but because of it's screen size, it is great to use phone apps to do things, like ebay app, paypal app, tapatalk, and such...
Then, after the confusion of the 13 November nexus 4 and nexus 10 launches, I ended up not getting any. Last week, I was finally able to order a Nexus 10 from the playstore and it was delivered this monday morning...
Unboxed it:
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Beautiful device. Great specs. It was light, well built and with a good feel.
Loved the screen... Beautiful piece of kit.
The front facing speakers were great...
It ran fast as hell... Synced everything with my nexus 7 and galaxy nexus beautifully!
It was a dream of a device... Until I actually started using it...
There were not too many apps for the bigger and higher res screen...
But that is ok. It is not like I use apps for facebook, ebay or forums on my laptop or desktop... I just use the web browser...
So, went and used it on the nexus 10... And that was the disappointment...
The 16:10 screen which becomes 16:9 when in use thanks to the soft buttons is horrible.
Text is crisp as hell, and I see no pixels, but I also see no content...
The tablet is just to short in height to use in landscape mode. I have to scroll and scroll and scroll to use any site... The way the sites scale on chrome, even fully zoomed out, just don't allow enough content on screen...
So, portrait, no problem...
Well, terrible...
It felt like holding a wooden board... The tablet is just too long and becomes too top heavy to use comfortably in portrait... Also, because the screen is narrow, the web sites don't look natural...
After trying to like the Nexus 10, I just couldn't...
Ended up selling it yesterday. Thanks to the high demand and low supply, I still made a tiny profit with it.
And today I ordered an Ipad 4.
I just realised that at the end of the day, it is not specs, or GPU or CPU or Ram or PPI that make a device...
When a company thinks about usability and ergonomics of a device, that just shows in the way it becomes natural and comfortable to use said device.
I just didn't find the Nexus 10 comfortable or natural for what I wanted to use it for, and that was web browsing mainly.
Maybe that will change in the future when android gets really multi tasking with resizable windows. Thanks maybe the 16:10 will be a plus.
But in the current state of tablet operating systems, for me the 4:3 is more natural and better.
So, this is my experience. I must thought I'd share.
At the end of the day this is just my impressions and my opinions and my feelings towards tablets. I am not an apple fanboy or android fanboy. I am a big nerd and a fan of technology.
It is how you feel about what you use and how what you use gets what you need done that matters. In the end of the day, tablets, phones, laptops, are either tools or toys or a bit of both, but they are not what's most important.
Best regards.
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If you're looking for an Android device with a 4:3 aspect ratio, consider buying a Nook HD+. It's probably the lightest small tablet around, and hopefully they'll port CM to it soon.
Well having a tablet, you need buttons. Most go with onscreen buttons, otherwise those cheap brands with buttons that break in a couple clicks.
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I just don't see this topic as being of any use to the community. This adds nothing. If you don't like it fine, return it sell it. But creating a topic? I never understood this other then trying tto get attention.
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Too each their own I suppose. To me the aspect ratio seems like a silly reason to sell it. I too dislike the wasted real-estate of the nav buttons, but with Android you have the choice to get rid of them.
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I just don't see this topic as being of any use to the community. This adds nothing. If you don't like it fine, return it sell it. But creating a topic? I never understood this other then trying tto get attention.
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Are reviews by tech sites useful? Are unboxing pictures and videos useful?
That is always debatable.
As is the usefulness of my topic. It might not be useful to you, it might me to someone else.
I respect that.
This is just my user reviews as someone you bought the device and had a user experience and an impression about it.
Best regards.
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That is funny...
I an called an iTroll, a simple troll, and invited to get out of here with my ipad...
But yet I think I wrote nothing offensive or provocative.
Yet, in here seems android has fanboys like apple is said to have...
People you are narrow minded and don't have tolerance to different opinions from their own.
I am not an apple fanboy, nor an android fanboy.
I own an imac, a lenovo windows laptop, a nexus 7 and a galaxy nexus. If I could afford it I would also have a Lumia 920, a surface tablet, a Macbook retina, and so on.
Because I like technology and I like to try out technology to find the one that suits me best.
I don't need to buy and sell nexus 10s to make a living... If I needed, I would not have bought one, but 20...
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The iPad is terrible for viewing media with black bars on the top and bottom of the screen.
It is also terrible for listening to music with a mono back-facing speaker compared to the front facing stereo on the Nexus 10.
Web sites with a lot of wide detail can be viewed on the Nexus 10 in landscape without zooming.
Web sites with little wide detail can be viewed in portait allowing more to be seen without scrolling.
So the Nexus 10 can be used in which ever way is best for Web sites.
Apple have already realised how much better the 16:9 format is and changed the iPhone 5 and it won't be long before the iPad follows too.
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There were not too many apps for the bigger and higher res screen...
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I imagine this will change in time, but currently, there isn't too much available.
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So, went and used it on the nexus 10... And that was the disappointment...
The 16:10 screen which becomes 16:9 when in use thanks to the soft buttons is horrible.
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On stock, this is a slight problem. On a custom ROM though, can just expand desktop and hide both bars for the full display.
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It felt like holding a wooden board... The tablet is just too long and becomes too top heavy to use comfortably in portrait... Also, because the screen is narrow, the web sites don't look natural...
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I do agree, not a real fan of using portrait mode on the Nexus 10.
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But yet I think I wrote nothing offensive or provocative.
Yet, in here seems android has fanboys like apple is said to have...
People you are narrow minded and don't have tolerance to different opinions from their own.
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I kind of agree, I actually found your post pretty pleasing to read; nothing deserving of a "iTroll" or any other harsh words...
He is a yellow journalist who got paid to do negative campaign. He dont like change and what he meant is that he is comfortable with the vga screen rather than using the hd because he likes it that way. Well enough its just you who like the outdated 4:3. As far as full screen scaled apps are not there. You have to wait a little for that the full hd screens just came out. Devs need time to scale theur apps. U didnt like the form factor well then stick with ur nexus 7. 10 inch is for those who are replacing their PC with a tablet.
In the end not every device is for everyone. Ppl with money just buy everything thinkingit will be productive. Next time consider ur use and then buy a device.
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qazibasit said:
He is a yellow journalist who got paid to do negative campaign. He dont like change and what he meant is that he is comfortable with the vga screen rather than using the hd because he likes it that way.
Well enough its just you who like the outdated 4:3. As far as full screen scaled apps are not there.
You have to wait a little for that the full hd screens just came out. Devs need time to scale theur apps.
10 inch is for those who are replacing their PC with a tablet.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
I don't get people complaining of landscape mode for web browsing. I have yet to own a tablet and can't wait to use the screen size in landscape mode for web browsing, it is going to be a dream.
But this is coming from a guy who never owned a tablet and browses the web on a 4" Ipod 5 in landscape mode.
I am looking forward to the aspect ratio of this tablet. How big do you need?
I just got my nexus 10. Which Google delayed shipping to me because they ran out of stock on the 8 GB phone (mind you I ordered on day 1 too) oh and they put a bumper in lieu of my actual phone and Google csr tier II is terrible. So not only did I have to wait 2 weeks to get my tablet which they still had plenty of stock they ************ forgot the phone which caused the delay in the first place. †************* great.
So now onto my experience with the tablet. It doesn't feel as smooth as the nexus 4. Video playback is amazing though. The text is not as smooth or crops as compared to the iPad 3 in my house. The book readers are terrible ... I am sorry but iBooks is actually much easier to use and in a twist of irony you can also use manually place your own ebooks into I books but you can't with Google's default reader. I also hate this keyboard which I plan to change.
Sent from my nexus 10 for which I have mixed feelings about and perhaps I'm A TAD BIT colored by my extreme hatred over this Google play fiasco.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
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lol yes VGA stands for Video Graphics Adapter... i think a fair statement would be for working 4:3 is preferred and when playing 16:10 ... keep in mind tho it wasnt so long ago ALL tvs were 4:3 and now its the opposite most tvs are 16:9 etc.. this is off topic but when i play css on my 52" tv i have to play it in 4:3 ( 640x480 ) because the orientation gets out of whack so to speak if i go to 1600x1200 yeah its time for an HDMI video card. but anyways... the reason i replied was the last statement it made me think about it since i have a tablet and a wireless keyboard and mouse to go with it... to use them i cannot be charging at the same time so i guess you are right portability wise... nice thought tho. if i could get a good news reader on it ( dont see any reason why not just havent looked into it yet) and use my powered hub so the hdd, keyboard, and mouse dont kill the battery on the N7 i cannot see why not ? as far as flash games i am kind of tired of those anyways.. and to replace CSS all i need is a good FPS. i already found a great one ( free) that showcases what the GPU is capable of. just need to get it working with the wiimote and im good.
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FYI - HD is anything over 720p (or 1080p depending on what you think), the ipad 4 isn't VGA. oh. and VGA is not a quality of screen, it's an output method, that can output more than 1080p funnily enough. (ok, lets assume that you mean 640x480 anyways, but the ipad still isn't that)
i find that saying 4:3 is outdated is a little silly, as it does allow you to use it in multiple orientations more easily than a 16:10 (but yeah, 16:10 is nice too for other reasons)
you can't replace a PC with a tablet. (well, not completely)
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Mr. I never expected that ur so dumb that u wont get the humor out of the vga thing. Plus vga never support more than 720 p.
Ur criticizing because u are among those who can bear change. Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority now dont say that u use a visual studio or other compilers for programming or maya and other graphic work. For that sort defintely a tablet is useless.
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I also hate this keyboard which I plan to change.
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Are you joking about the keyboard? iOS keyboard is a POS with letters that always show in upper case even when caps lock is off. They place language setting where it's easily changed by accident instead of properly separating it in settings menu. It doesn't have native swype and voice dictation is weaker.
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Are you joking about the keyboard? iOS keyboard is a POS with letters that always show in upper case even when caps lock is off. They place language setting where it's easily changed by accident instead of properly separating it in settings menu. It doesn't have native swype and voice dictation is weaker.
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Well no ****, it goes without saying that voice dictation is weaker on the iOS.
The rest really is just a matter of preference.
I find the nexus 10 keyboard to be unnecessarily cluttered.
I think the iOS keyboard works a lot better on mobile devices.
I also prefer the nexus 4 keyboard over the tablet because it's simpler and intuitive.
I don't use swype typing with two fingers is much faster for me. I've also heard that this native swype is a pos compared to the real swype.
You don't like it, you can probably change it that's the android way.
Well the book readers at still pretty helpless.
I don't get why there's so much... disapproval over the OP's decision. Buying and using a device should probably be personally enjoyable, or else you would of wasted your money right? He listed his reasons why he didn't like the Nexus 10, and purchased an iPad 4, so what? Did he spend your money? Does his decision affect you in any way? Did a car barrel roll for miles across the world killing thousands because of this decision?
Also, I think there is no "master" device or OS. Different people have different tastes and do different things, there is no 1-device/OS-fits-all, and that is a fact
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Mr. I never expected that ur so dumb that u wont get the humor out of the vga thing. Plus vga never support more than 720 p.
Ur criticizing because u are among those who can bear change. Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority now dont say that u use a visual studio or other compilers for programming or maya and other graphic work. For that sort defintely a tablet is useless.
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Firstly, your humour was pretty poor, if that.
Secondly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA "Today, the VGA analog interface is used for high definition video including 1080p and higher."
(W-W-W-W-WIKIPEDIA'D)
Thirdly, while tablets are pretty damn useful at what they do, they aren't nearly powerful enough to take over PCs (hell, they can't even do multi-windowed stuff) so if all you do is browse the web and email your buddies, then sure you can have a tablet replace a PC.
but... "Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority" is an incredibly short sighted and relatively stupid statement.
have fun storing terabytes of data on your tablet.
(p.s. is it really that difficult to structure a decent sentence with decent grammar?)
Fissurez said:
Firstly, your humour was pretty poor, if that.
Secondly, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA "Today, the VGA analog interface is used for high definition video including 1080p and higher."
(W-W-W-W-WIKIPEDIA'D)
Thirdly, while tablets are pretty damn useful at what they do, they aren't nearly powerful enough to take over PCs (hell, they can't even do multi-windowed stuff) so if all you do is browse the web and email your buddies, then sure you can have a tablet replace a PC.
but... "Tablets have almost replaced the PCs atleast for a majority" is an incredibly short sighted and relatively stupid statement.
have fun storing terabytes of data on your tablet.
(p.s. is it really that difficult to structure a decent sentence with decent grammar?)
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1. Proving a point using Wikipedia is... well there's a reason why Wikipedia isn't highly-regarded for 100% factual information
2. You'd be surprised how hard English might be when it's not your native language (not sure if the person's native language is or isn't language, just stating this overall)