Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
Specs is one thing. What's important is real life performance and if there's any other possible flaw. Gtab actually looks not bad, but the software performance bogged it down. I'd by the time the Toshiba tablet is released, icecream sandwich may be released or close to be released. So unless the performance of the Toshiba tab is another class higher than grab, I see no point thinking too much about it.
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Looks almost identical to the Gtab! same resolution display too.... Won't be long before Apple will be taking Toshiba to the courts over this!! (or maybe Samsung will!??)
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Serious_Beans said:
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
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I looked at the Engadget review and the tablet looked pretty slow to me, I might be wrong. I'm very happy with my P7510 running on a vanilla 3.1 Honeycomb (soon to run on PhantomHacker's 3.2 vanilla ROM) and I'm looking forward to see Ice Cream on it.
The thing is, we will never purchase a tablet if we wait for the next "big one" to come out. Technology changes so fast that is not worth to trouble yourself. Just enjoy the tablet and use it to death, I personally think that my Tab 10.1 is an excellent product.
Well, I am not waiting for the next big one but just for one that does not have Tegra2 inside, looks OK, has I/O's I want and 3G connectivity.
So, just to have something for now I bought iPad 1 3G few weeks ago. As it is very limited device I was waiting for it to get right price. $350 for new one on warranty is OK. Now I can wait till end of the year to get Excite or Holiday or TF2 or Xoom2.... Will see.
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
The Tosh looks very nice, another weapon in the Android armoury. I'm still very happy with my Samsung 16Gb Wifi.
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If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
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It would be all true if folks like me could actually get it.
IMHO if you want (especially 3G) tablet now, good one, for reasonable price, just to keep you going till the one you really want is out iPad1 seems like a great deal.
Does most of the stuff Tegra 2 tablets do, has 3G and new one can still be found pretty cheap (half of the zoom price for example). And form me video capabilities all almost the same.
There will be always something new and better than what's available currently in the market. By the time Toshiba excite gets released to the market, even more better tablet with awesome specs will be shown at a new tech show taking place anywhere on this planet Earth.
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galtom said:
Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
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I'm feeling exactly the same as you. The size and weight of the GT 10.1 was perfect but the poor video decoding performance of the Tegra 2 and lack of MicroSD card slot was a real let down. The AT200 seems like it will be perfect for me (assuming the OMAP proc is a lot better for video decoding). I just hope it comes out real soon to the UK market. If they delay it too long then I may be put off with official specs of ICS tablets.
It is the same SOC as in new Archos G9 series (like them but they look "cheap") and they say it will "Play" anything and everything. ;-)
Dont even think about getting the tab 10.
The Ti OMAP4 4430 in the toshiba is far superior to Tegra 2.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has A9 cores with Neon processing. Tergra 2 does not have the Neon processing and will be much slower when running apps which use Neon code and alot of apps are starting to use it.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has DUAL channel memory controller. Tegra 2 only has a single channel. Since video memory is shared, dual channel will give double the memory bandwidth which is highly needed since video memory is shared from system memory.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has SUPERIOR video decoding hardware compared to tegra 2. You can finally play real HD 1080p video. Tegra 2 decoder is so slow it cant decode main and high HD profiles which is what everyone uses.
For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
mankoorb said:
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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Full specs have been released.
Does it have an amazing screen like the Samsung SPLS? Screen quality along with weight is what made my decision. However im disappointed in the current state of honeycomb/tablet apps. I would expect apps like Google+ to have the hangout video support. Lack of skype video is also a huge downer. My older samsung galaxy 7 also had way better video playing support.
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For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
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This is a false statement. Never ever have I contradicted myself. Never.
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On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
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No, but don't worry, I do not think Europe has one either .
And two facts:
1. OMAP is a definitely better SOC than Tegra 2 - no arguing here. The only thing at which Tegra 2 might be better (we will have to wait and see, but I doubt it myself) is energy management.
I am worried about battery life of a tablet with 1,2 - 1,5 Ghz clock.
2. It will be cheaper in US than in EU - fact.
Now, one more "issue" we might encounter by the time it is in the shops. What will be a better choice - tablet with Omap4 or Tegra3/Kal-El with 4 cores and new architecture? (unless nvidia made an intel trick or the one they do with graphic cards - Tegra 3 is two Tegra 2 cpu's on a single chip - this would suck I think)
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OK so listen here, I have owned the following device listed below, yes I know I'm crazy LOL, I'm a tech guy and I love to try out everything.
Items owned within the last 2 months.
Ipad
Ipad2
Motorola xoom
Asus Transformer and Dock
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 I/O edition
Nook Color rooted with CM7....
Ok now, I did like every device I did own but something just seemed missing from them all. Out of all if them I will say the Transformer was the best, accept for the sound.
Now on to me owing the HTC Flyer with nice white case and magic Pen, and I will go all out now and say that its the best damn android tablet I have now owned. I love everything about the Flyer, The screen is right up there with the best of them and I think it even looks better then the Ipad2 and transformer screens, viewing angles are tops. The text is so clear and perfect.
Now I have read reviews about the HTC Flyer sounds lacking, honestly I have no Idea what the reviewers are talking about the HTC flyer sounds is amazingly loud and freaking clear sound. So don't read the review about the sound not being good, the HTC flyer sound blows the Transformer speakers out of the water.
Now lets talk about speed, yes speed, With just a single 1.5 ghz core processor this thing seems so much faster the dual core processors, you say how, well do a test for your self,m the web browser has been the best experience out of all the Tablets I have owned. Crazy as it sounds but its super fast.
Now the Pen, yes it may sound like a gimmick but its not and its fun and useful to you in its own right.
Anyway, I hear honeycomb is going to be released for the Flyer, and I will say there's really no need fcor it, I love the Flyer as is, I Give big Kudos to HTC on making and sweet like mobile Tablets, in the end people that's all I wanted was a nice mobile device and The Flyer takes the cake.
I give it a 9 oput of 10.
Don't listen to the reviews, this tab is way underrated.
i 100% agree thing is sooo nice...i barely use my laptop anymore
I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
JOHNGAETANO said:
I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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I love 7" tablets, and this isby far the best I have used. The web browsing is just amazingly fast, can't get enough of the Flyer.
It's nice but I still would take a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the Limited Edition over it.
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I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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That's why I sold my Tegra 2 tablet and still have my flyer.
about the processor
A 1.5 ghz single core processor will always blow away a 1 ghz dual core processor until applications are optimized for dual core processors. If an application wasn't designed with multi core processors in mind then it is basically 1.5 ghz single core vs. a 1 ghz dual core that will only run on 1 core. Right now there are relatively few applications out there that are actually optimized for the dual core processors, so you rarely see the increase in speed from the tegra2 processor that other tablets have.
I love my HTC Flyer and its wimpy 1.5 ghz processor that I've been reading about in all the reviews that are written by people who don't know what they are talking about ha.
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It's nice but I still would take a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the Limited Edition over it.
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Its hype don't do it. I owned the tab 10.1 limited sold it bought the flyer returned the flyer bought another limited sold it bought the flyer again. The tab is a nice piece of hardware honeycomb is lacking right now. The flyer is amazing and will develop a cult like following. I prefer it over all tablets right now. Its the small things such as the propriety cable that also takes micro USB, the beaitful screen, pen is really useful, size and weight are prefect, and it takes a micro sd cards to expand storage. I have a 32gb SD card and its awesome.
I don't want honeycomb on it unless its just as functuional as it is now.
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Now lets talk about speed, yes speed, With just a single 1.5 ghz core processor this thing seems so much faster the dual core processors, you say how, well do a test for your self [...]
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I agree with all you wrote about the Flyer. Before I buy my, I also read the reviews and was afraid that it was a little bit slow, because every review note the single core CPU and that it is slower than the dual core tablets.
I thought the tester not only under impress from the ipad hype but really test and feal it. But it compare the Flyer with many other devices, also the (reported) fast ones like the ipad 2. And in all my tests the Flyer was much faster and react directly.
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A 1.5 ghz single core processor will always blow away a 1 ghz dual core processor until applications are optimized for dual core processors.
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So sure? Okay, mathematical is 2 x 1 bigger then 1.5 and also in applications which make many calculations but a tablet is not a calculator and not use as one but mainly a user interface and here it depends only on the OS and the one for ipad and honeycomb are both optimized. But in an OS you haven't so much use in a dual core system.
Only in some games you will have an advantage. This is the same here as by other devices and PCs where the advantage from a dual core in normal daily use is also limited.
So, don't expect that one day the dual core are much faster...
Mathematically it doesn't matter until the application is written for multi threaded processing. Or parallel processing, whatever you'd like to call it. Once those applications are optimized you will see a speed different in the performance of processing intensive applications. The few that are out right now are mostly games. And if you are in the market for a gaming device, I don't think most people buy a 7 inch tablet that comes with true pen support.
I'm really very happy about this thread. I haven't tried many tablets, so I have little to compare. I have messed with a friend's eee Transformer, and it's ok, but I think the build quality is kind of poor, and the tegra2 processor is slower than my flyer... as mentioned above. In real-world performance, we were both playing back 720p mkvs in Mobo Player... his stuttered occasionally enough to be annoying. The flyer never had a hiccup. I'll take the 1.5ghz proc over the tegra2 any day. The form factor is also really great as well. I do look forward to honeycomb on it, just for Google's Video Chat.
again, what matters to me is the size and performance, and out of all the tablets I mention I owned, the flyer kicks all there butts.
I mean all I hear is about all the other tablets screens, let me tell you the flyer's screen is better the all of them, I know some will say "yeah your saying that because I own the flyer", No really the flyer's screen is flat out no pun intended "Quietly Brilliant". Viewing angles are best I have seen, even better theh the ipad2 and Asus.
The battery is great too. It has lasted much linger then the Xoom I owned and the Transformer. Asus says the transformer has 9.5 hours, I beg to differ, my battery on the Asus tab alone without the dock was dying in just about 6 hours ion full charge.
I'm still learning with the magic pen, well that's what I call it. Ans its just an awesome feature,
I will go on record again and say this, I don't know what some of these guys reviewing are saying about the speakers, the Speaks on the flyer are freaking tops for me. It is right up there with the xoom's speakers which is noticed to be the best. I say the Flyers speakers are one of the best!
I think people just give bad reviews to give them. I'm unbiased and I think the flyer is a complete WIN, best tablet of 2011 bar none, and of course this is all my opinion. I just don't want people passing this thing up until they own one or at least use it for a day, I'm telling you a day with the flyer and all opinions will change.
Bottom Line GREAT JOB HTC...
I think the main problem with people taking a dive with the HTC flyer is the lack of developer support. I was going to pick one up and I heard that there's just too little support for the device . I think that's why people get the galaxy tab 10.1 cause even if it's not a great product out of the box, dev's make it a really great device when they work their magic.
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I think the main problem with people taking a dive with the HTC flyer is the lack of developer support. I was going to pick one up and I heard that there's just too little support for the device . I think that's why people get the galaxy tab 10.1 cause even if it's not a great product out of the box, dev's make it a really great device when they work their magic.
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really, what does the great support does the galaxy tab have.
I'm not paying $500 to $600 for a device with no Micro Sd card support, so IMO galaxt tab =Possible Fail.
darkknight1114 said:
really, what does the great support does the galaxy tab have.
I'm not paying $500 to $600 for a device with no Micro Sd card support, so IMO galaxt tab =Possible Fail.
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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I agree the 8.9 will be a success, but honeycomb still is crap right now.
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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Well the 8.9 will be nice I bet, but with still no SD card support, and it being already confirmed by Samsung that the 8.9 will have cheaper screen, sorry I will still stil with my flyer.
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Well the 8.9 will be nice I bet, but with still no SD card support, and it being already confirmed by Samsung that the 8.9 will have cheaper screen, sorry I will still stil with my flyer.
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Well, I keep reading it will include sd card support. If there's no sd support, I'm just going to buy the eee pad slider when it comes out this summer. If the 8.9 does have sd support, I'll be going with the 8.9, but I'm still going to pick up a flyer today and run it through it's paces. Who knows, I might fall in love with it .
sidenote: Is launcherpro compatible with tablets? If it is, that'll fix the issue of having to stick with the sense launcher
So I really want a Android 3.x Tab. and I really don't want an iPad 1 or 2. So since the Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB is $499 and got a good review and thought it would be great!
So....
Should I go pick one up or should i wait?
Way I see it it's a good buy if you want something now...
There are things that I know are coming but are probably not until early to mid next year and these are...
300+ DPI screen (much brighter and more battery efficient too!)
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Quad Cores with a decent GPU included (Tegra 2 GPU is meh)
I love the slim and lightness of the 10.1
I wont get another tablet until it has those features and is equally as light and thin and I know there wont be anything coming out this year that ticks all those boxes.
Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
It's a great tab but Samsung can be pretty sluggish with bringing out updates and imho they've messed up with the 10.1/10.1v/GoogleIO 10.1 model confusion and appear to be more interested in generating promotional materials than supporting their user base.
The Samsung app suite has little or no publicly listed support for the 10.1 range - even though they have the apps on the devices (take a look at samsung apps, samsung drive, etc for an example of what devices they support).
I love my Samsung 10.1v - but if was buying again for the first time - I'd consider the Asus Transformer a little more. They've been a bit more proactive with pushing out updates.
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Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I'm hoping the Touchwiz skin really is only skin deep and that we can switch back to stock Honeycomb without issues. I wouldn't be surprised if Google is twisting the manufacturer's arm to make this be the case.
TouchWiz isn't just a launcher - it's pretty pervasive.
It looks like at least some TouchWiz components will be needed just to get updates. Currently you need a Samsung account (part of the suite of apk's installed with TouchWiz) to update the firmware.
Not that TouchWiz is all bad. Once you remove many of the widgets from the Homescreens - it's fairly pleasant to use.
The most important aspect needed is restyling the theme & some perf enhancements then I think most people will be happy.
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I suppose so... That still doesn't change that 2000 devopers got 10.1 tabs though haha
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There are things that I know are coming but are probably not until early to mid next year and these are...
300+ DPI screen (much brighter and more battery efficient too!)
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FWIW, Tegra 3 is due out later this year, though I expect you are right that they probably won't be as thin/light as the Galaxy. Motorola and Asus are among the first ones due out with Tegra 3 tablets, and at least in the case of the Asus, I expect the form factor will be similar to the current device, since compatibility with the existing dock is expected.
Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
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The initial ones were unlocked, but it appears that newer ones are starting to show up locked. Personally, I wouldn't expect better "XDA support" on the Galaxy vs. others.
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I suppose so... That still doesn't change that 2000 devopers got 10.1 tabs though haha
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True but keep in mind they were given out by Samsung not by Google.
The only thing I don't like about the 10.1 (and pretty much every other honeycomb tablet) is that they're all Tegra 2 and frankly... it stinks. It can't do 720p playback very well and the GPU "acceleration" is still quite choppy. I'm not sure why Samsung didn't just stick their Exynos into the tab but I suppose the drivers just aren't available in Honeycomb. It's a bit strange having a phone that's WAY more powerful even underclocked at 500mhz my Galaxy S2 still records and plays back 1080p fine. I can dump 1080p MKV files from my computer with no formatting onto the phone and it plays them back flawlessly while the tablet can't even play back 720p MKV's without problems.
The main thing that I want to use the tablet for is browsing on a bigger screen... which is alright but the browser is just not as smooth as "other" fruit flavored tablets. Also when not in landscape mode the thing just gets even more choppier. It feels like I'm beta testing Honeycomb for them...
I was also looking at the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer.
I have an ASUS Laptop and wondered how good the quality of the Eee pad is if anyone knows.
I returned mine. So for me, I'm going to wait. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 was pretty nice piece of hardware. Most of my complaints were with Android 3 though. I just don't think it's ready for primetime. I had way too much frustrating issues with it and too many app crashes.
For the $600 I spent on the 32GB model, I wanted something with more polished software. My $200 Nook Color performed better with Android 2.3 (CM7).
I'm going to wait for tablets with Android 4 to launch, and preferably something without a Tegra 2 processor.
Samsung makes a crazy number of phones, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have a new thin tablet later this year for Android 4 also.
Not sure where everyone's beef with Tegra 2 is coming from. From a raw processing power standpoint, the Tegra 2 is better than Exynos and only falls behind the newer OMAP 4.
Is everyone here running the 720p videos from the device? If so, what are the files encoded by? I want to try and see if I have the same results. I stream all kinds of videos through DLNA to my Tab 10.1 and I've only noticed choppy playback on some high definition AVI files - never really took the time to troubleshoot the issue.
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Not sure where everyone's beef with Tegra 2 is coming from. From a raw processing power standpoint, the Tegra 2 is better than Exynos and only falls behind the newer OMAP 4.
Is everyone here running the 720p videos from the device? If so, what are the files encoded by? I want to try and see if I have the same results. I stream all kinds of videos through DLNA to my Tab 10.1 and I've only noticed choppy playback on some high definition AVI files - never really took the time to troubleshoot the issue.
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Isn't part of the Tegra 2's problem it's lack of Advanced SIMD that everyone else seems to have?
The new TI OMAP 4 1.5GHz dual core and Nvidia Tegra 3 1.?GHz quad core both coming in Q3 got to be big performance improvements over the Tegra 2 that came out Q4 last year (feels older than that).
I'm quite confident that Samsung's TouchWiz will come with a much faster way of playing back videos. This was the case with the stock Galaxy S series of phones. They are all still the most capable phones of playing back DivX etc when running TouchWiz...
My guess is mid next year Samsung will release a equally thin and light tablet with their latest 300+ dpi screens and a quad core processor that will handle everything that honeycomb offers without a stutter... Can't wait for it... Until then I've got my slim light Tab 10.1 that does the job and works great with my Android phone and Google services
Yes, releasing a Tegra2 tablet now is pretty late. They had their shot with 10.1v but messed up nearly everything. And with Samsung support, this device won't see a shiny future. Despite all confusion Samsung doesn't say a damn word !
Then there is the missing sd slot and ports. We even got a worse 3MP cam while the 10.1v had a 8mp one. A step in the wrong direction.
Win8 beta is close (1-2 months), apple announced ipad3, tegra3 is coming too.
A massive change is going to happen until next year. Lots of arguments against the 10.1.
GT10.1 prices will drop big time soon. 300 bucks in ~3 months i guess.
Last week I was totally hyped but now it's getting easier to wait.
Still no release in EU. There must be some massive problems with that device.
I'm considering returning mine. There are a couple of little things that makes using the tablet as my main device a bit frustrating like moody text selection, keyboard disappearing randomly sometimes, choppy videos (was trying to stream Friday Night Lights on NBC's site, and it couldn't get through the first 10 mins), lack of honeycomb optimized apps, no Netflix, and even using Facebook thru the browser is quirky.
I have 2 more days to decide, and I'm looking into just waiting for the new Samsung Series 3 notebooks to come out also.
Hm, I checked the hits on xda. There are only 10k posts for the GT10.1 while the transformer has 45k.
Could it be low interest for this device?
I think it's more that the Asus has been out longer, and is also the most-sold Android Honeycomb tablet thus far.
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Isn't part of the Tegra 2's problem it's lack of Advanced SIMD that everyone else seems to have?
The new TI OMAP 4 1.5GHz dual core and Nvidia Tegra 3 1.?GHz quad core both coming in Q3 got to be big performance improvements over the Tegra 2 that came out Q4 last year (feels older than that).
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I did a quick wiki search on Advanced SIMD (I hadn't heard about it prior to you informing me ) and the technology looks more like it's applied to much slower ARM processors than the ones we find in tablets. Wikipedia specifically mentions acceleration for speech decoding and MP3 audio decoding at extremely slow speeds (15 MHz and below). Does this technology also apply to decoding videos, etc, at 1,000 MHz? I could see this possibly affecting something like playing MP3s while the device is in standby, but I don't know much about this technology.
When I use the Tab (and my 7" tab as well) I'm normally streaming video from TVersity on my PC to my tab via UPnPlay & Mobo video player (on my Tab 10.1) or AllShare on my 7" tab. I also watch flash videos (up to 720p - that's the highest res video I've tried). All work very well - there is some minor stuttering with the flash video from the stock browser, I would say it will drop a few frames once every 5 minutes.
I also do some filesharing over my network - such as transferring PDF files from my PC and viewing them on my Tab. I know that's not related to the video conversation - but that works pretty smoothly as well.
Nvidia's Quad Core Tegra 3, dubbed "Kal-El", processor is being released sometime this fall, with Motorola likely being the first to ship out Kal-El tablets. It's supposed to be 5 times better than Tegra 2 and still be battery friendly... If you have not yet heard of it, and are still unaware of its epicness, check out this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvaDtshLY8&feature=youtube_gdata_player , this is a video of a game demonstrating the awesome powers of Kal-El. It's AMAZING, and supposedly, the final production model of the chip will be some 30% faster...
C'mon technology, take a break for a bit...
So seeing that our Galaxy Tab 10.1 will soon be old news, what do you think about Kal-El?
Here we go again ...... lots of opinions on this in the TF forums.
There will always be something new around the corner and I'm not falling for the numbers game any more
first it was ghz war for processors
Then how many cores can fit on a cpu yet most software failed to take any advantage
Then cameras and the megapixel wars which went up while sensor size stayed the same and pix quality got worse
Software needs to be streamlined well before any real use advantage will be seen.
However apart from the odd game who really needs a quad core tablet, yes its nice to have but not essential
If I want to photo edit I'll use photoshop I'm my pc, if I want to video edit I'll goto the pc, if I want to watch hd video I'll do it via my media streamer
If I want to browse the web or view emails or play the odd game or watch a short film I'll use my dual core tablet or hell my single core galaxy s they both manage it extremely well.
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I will wait to see what Asus and Samsung have in store before considering upgrading my galaxy tab.
I agree, there really isn't much of a point in having a quad core tablet, at least in MY opinion... It is pretty impressive though.
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I'll wait until there's a fantastic price on the next-gen tablet (like the staples $100 off coupon). Once it hits the sweet spot (@$150 difference between the sale price on a next-gen and the craigslist value of my GT10), I'll buy. I'm guessing it will be around January or February. Until then, I really hope I don't have to see too many more of these threads asking if I need to upgrade already...
This soon is just too far away for me. If this soon would mean this month then i would start thinking about it.
As no manufacturer hasn't even announced any kal el tablets, it's very long wait until we see them in shops.
You'll see it first from Amazon, imho, by the end of the year.
But who cares? The heavy lifting on these devices is media and you dont need more cores for that and it'll always be handled by dedicated silicon. So what do more cores get you? Not every one faps to quadrant.
When I upgraded from the nexus one to my htc sensation i did so for the qhd display and better media and camera capabilities. Two cores, not a big deal.
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Man I just bought the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and found out there is going to be a quad core cpu in a few months. Well I will definitely want this and probably sell my Tab 10.1 on craigslist for hopefully 350-400. I will wait till Samsung comes out with their Tab version on Kal-El.
im still trying to figure out how to bypass the stupid SIM activation screen on my LTE verizon tab and or root it but its a pain.
quad is nice to have... but right now even with the dual core tabs out there is hardly any apps out that take full advantage of the hardware, only few. Now we're dealing with quad when devs are just starting to focus on dual.
Quad core would be even nicer with more ram, 1GB ram still doesnt seem to cut it.
Ahhh man, **** just got real interesting... just dont know if I can wait till March... if that's even when its supposed to come out... been waiting since last August for the prime... choices choices
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I would be surprised if it came out before Q3/4, they are saying A700 is a tech demo and not consumer product.
That plastic back looks mighty tempting :O
engadget says the a700 isn't even coming out as a production device? argument is kinda moot then.
meh
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OK, this Acer tab looks decent but tech demo. won't be released till much later in the year.
another upcoming tablet people mentioned waiting on was something from Lenovo. Well I found an article on it and this has no chance of beating the Prime out. This for Barry n others..lmao
The display is inferior
Power/Processor is inferior
the front and back cam inferior
its keyboard dock looks inferior to Prime
from what they stating on battery life, that's also inferior to Prime
Also there is no 2GB of Ram. its only gonna be 1 . lmfao
so all in all looks inferior all around the board, although a decent lower end tablet. Prime users on the High End
I seriously hope this isn't the so called Lenovo tablet I've been hearing so much about that's reason to pass Prime up. Cuz if it is, its been seriously dumbed down in specs from what people been barking. Its gonna have same resolution as prime but lower quality or not as good.
here is a link to the failed Lenovo tablet and it's a very recent article. not some hype article from months ago just speculating on specs. This is more accurate/recent
http://landofdroid.com/2012/lenovo-announce-ideatab-s2-10-inch-tablet-plus-keyboard-combo/
Also, the new Toshiba tablet is inferior also tl Prime..lol. can't believe this tabs are what people was saying are better than prime with higher resolution screens. they all have inferior specs and displays. not sure about that Acer though but I will find out.
www.landofdroid.com/2012/toshiba-introduce-excite-x10-1-2ghz-dual-core-tablet/
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I would be surprised if it came out before Q3/4, they are saying A700 is a tech demo and not consumer product.
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engadget says the a700 isn't even coming out as a production device? argument is kinda moot then.
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I will have to thank E.mote on this thread. In one thread, the 3 most talked about tablets to pass up Prime for has been killed in one thread. The Acer700 isn't even coming out for consumers. The Lenovo tablet had its specs seriously dumbed down and is not having super high resolution screen, has only 1Gb of ram, and an inferior dual core Processor. Same with the new Toshiba tablet coming out. Dumbed down specs and basically inferior all around the board. the later 2 will have same resolution but lower quality being only IPS. Prime has Super IPS+.
That only leaves the Ipad3 left. I'm sure that will be the most interesting out of mentioned tablets that are upcoming. Looks like Prime might be king of Android tablets for majority of 2012 if not the whole year. lol.
Acer said "1st half" for A700, which most took to be Q2. My guess would be May/June, allowing for ramp-up of screen yields. Tegra 2 tabs (excl Xoom) came out in April last year. More interesting would be the price. I'm expecting $500, especially if iPad 3 comes out with QXGA res at same price.
Would have been nice for Sasha bud to comment on screen quality. Guess we'll get that soon enough as CES rolls along.
Would like to see Lenovo LePad in on the dust-up, which also sports fullHD & Teg3. The LePad will be priced higher, since it's for biz segment. Should've called it the ThinkTab. Engadget has a brief hands-on of the LePad. I'd expect this for 2nd half.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
Agree about the Tosh Excite. OMAP4 is 2011 stuff, and price isn't competitive.
e.mote said:
Acer said "1st half" for A700, which most took to be Q2. My guess would be May/June, allowing for ramp-up of screen yields. Tegra 2 tabs (excl Xoom) came out in April last year. More interesting would be the price. I'm expecting $500, especially if iPad 3 comes out with QXGA res at same price.
Would have been nice for Sasha bud to comment on screen quality. Guess we'll get that soon enough as CES rolls along.
Would like to see Lenovo LePad in on the dust-up, which also sports fullHD & Teg3. The LePad will be priced higher, since it's for biz segment. Should've called it the ThinkTab. Engadget has a brief hands-on of the LePad. I'd expect this for 2nd half.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
Edit 3: Oops x 3. I'm getting confoozed with names. The LePad youtube vid previously linked is the Win hybrid and not the fullHD Android model.
Agree about the Tosh Excite. OMAP4 is 2011 stuff, and price isn't competitive.
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now this Lenovo one looks decent. Might follow the same fate as prime regarding GPS since back is metal also. He said metallic feel so material of backplate still needs confirming. its said to run tegra3 and higher resolution. if you read further down article into the comments, you will see alot of worries n doubt on it. Main one being that the higher resolution will eat up alot more processing power of tegra3, even of clocked slightly higher. That will make it less powerful on performance. That's why I think Prime n Tegra3 hit the sweet spot when it comes to great processing power and an excellent HD display also. Also they said this is aimed more for the business market. with that display, if specs hold to be true, it will make this device considerably more expensive than the Prime. most people I've seen here posted $500 being the Max they would pay for a tablet, regardless of specs. IF Lenovo could bring this tablet at same range as prime it would be a miracle but I doubt it though.
Something else I noticed, this tablet is thick like the original Toshiba Thrive. Definitely not slim like the Prime. If they going to make it thick like that might as well of added a full size USB port. But it doesn't have it. only looks to have full size SD card slot. That UI looked horrible also as it wasn't optimized yet. The guy also said release date hasn't even been "Officially" said or thought of yet. it will release in China first then internationally. So expect this around May/June earliest for China release. then a month or 2 later for international release. Looks like a very long wait. by then something better will be out or right around the corner..lol
>Might follow the same fate as prime regarding GPS since back is metal also
From the (newly linked) vid, it's faux metal. Regardless, since it's for business, wireless performance will be reliable. Part of the higher cost.
Edit: The guy before the rep says that K2 will be for "$399 for 16GB version, available in Q2." Pretty sure that ain't true.
>if you read further down article into the comments
I don't pay much attention to Youtube comments as a rule. Whatever said at this point is merely speculation. We'll see when it (and the Acer) comes out. Since the Prime can do 1080p via HDMI no problem, I expect same perf for screen res. If UI lags persist with ICS, then it's an OS problem.
>this tablet is thick like the original Toshiba Thrive
Yes, the Prime's thinness and metal back are strong appeals. I wouldn't say K2 is as fat as the Thrive--which is pretty dang fat--but more like the OG TF or Acer A500. However, for business segment, durability counts more than style.
>Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
For Android tabs, I think Asus will have exclusive bragging rights on this. Aside from Asus, I don't see much enthusiasm from vendors for Android tabs. For Win8 tabs, I expect many--if not most--setups to be hybrid w/ detachable screen.
Thanks I will keep my prime!
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Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
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Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
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the ideapsd s2 I linked does but its specs are not up to Prime Standards. Hold up, it makes no mention of its dock having a battery included so I guess its a fail.
Wait until you guys see the tablet that Razor is introducing at CES alongside their overpriced laptop. I am here at MGM in Vegas gambling my ass off with some tech freaks. The guy who I was talking to at the Craps table asked me what I was here to see and I told him a few things. After I told him I was a gamer and a Android freak, he then said, "wait until you see the tablet that Razor is introducing." I told him I was getting the prime and he said to come back and tell him if I still wanted the prime after seeing the Razor. Bottom Line. Its probably going to cost a arm and a leg.
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I'm actually disappointed by Lenovo's quad core tablet. I won't even go into detail on why... Lenovo's dual core Krait tablet is good on CPU (won't know how well it does compared to tegra 3 til we see comparison benchmark) but Adreno GPU is horrendous. But overall, terrible showing by lenovo on tablet front...
Now, Acer's quad core is interesting. Except, it'll be on same 1.3ghz Tegra 3 (according to The Verge & Android Police.. although, i think it is speculation) with 1080p display and must likely, with 2 gig of ram. If it does get released in Q2, the price will most likely be at $500 (for 16g).. I doubt they'll go higher and compete with Apple and Samsung. I personally like the build quality (certainly an upgrade from the ugly Iconia A500).. but...
Is it worth the wait for 1080p resolution and 2 gig of Ram? Considering that android has dearth of dedicated tablet apps, the high resolution and ram will hardly be taken advantage of except GAMES and 1080p movies.
I'll wait and see what Samsung and Asus to offer...
Lenovo IdeaTab S2 10, 7, and 5-inchers
The IdeaPad S2 10 comes closest to the Asus Prime in configuration, with dock that houses an extra 10-hr batt (20-hr total). Would be interesting to see the 1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon's bench numbers. Available Q2.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovos-ideatab-s2-10-joins-the-tablet-transformation-gang-pa/
The 7 comes with HC.
One of the few 5" toys. Comes with GB, but that can be rectified.
Shocker !
The so called "competition" to the Prime won't blow it away in any regard, won't be cheaper and won't come out before god knows when.
Maybe getting the Prime isn't such a bad idea after all.
Wow Im digging that Acer. Assuming Acer will have more game support? Well as far as gameloft games anyway. I do hope it does come out to consumers. I also like that it has micro USB for charging rather than proprietary one. Will be using my prime till then.
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Wow Im digging that Acer. Assuming Acer will have more game support? Well as far as gameloft games anyway. I do hope it does come out to consumers. I also like that it has micro USB for charging rather than proprietary one. Will be using my prime till then.
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they aren't sure anymore if the USB can be used for charging.
personally, i'm not blown away by either of those tablets, is 1080p enticing? sure, but i'll take my cost effective, good dock having, in my hands now prime over something that may be out by the middle of this year.
being that toshiba wants to charge 500+ for the 16gb dual core a200, these tablets are going to be priced right out of the market.
I'm too sold on the keyboard dock to have considered either of these new devices. I'd like the 2GB DDR3 that appears to be an option on the Lenovo tablet, I admit... browser tabs are still unloaded more than I'd like on 1GB RAM. I don't value high-resolution screens above the keyboard dock, though; high-res screens are pretty, but the keyboard dock is transformative (no pun intended).
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-rebrands-its-tablets-transformer-pads-announces-the-infi/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-outs-lower-end-transformer-pad-300-tablet-with-16gb-of-stor/
There you go So we'll be having a luxury model, thats more expensive and without tegra3 but 1080p display. And then a low cost one, without IPS+, only 16gb und ugly colored (imho) plastic backs.
Asus also gives slightly less battery life (10h against 12h of the prime) on both "new" tablets. Of course they will be good devices, but with both of them i think "ah its just slightly off from what i'm looking for".
I think the Prime is still the sweet spot, and i'm glad i didnt wait
Does the LTE vertion include WiFi?
Now I'm fully convinced to get my Prime, as soon as Amazon Italy lists it as available again.
There is a Tegra 3 one for the WiFi only version model, that's listed in the article you linked.
I have a feeling the prime will slowly disappear when the 300 is released. The two cannot really exist very well together on store shelves i don't think. Who knows when the 300 will be available though. We will have had our primes for months already.
i just can't see them selling both. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see the prime readily available in stores. It doesn't even fit with their new naming. It would confuse people. It sort of belongs as a 500 series with the premium materials and better screen than the 300.
Asus Press Releases
Asus press releases on this:
http://press.asus.com/asus-showcase...rmer-pad-range-at-mobile-world-congress-2012/
http://press.asus.com/asus-padfone-...ineup-unveiled-at-mobile-world-congress-2012/
I just hope sprint gets that Padphone and it will be all mine 1 device to do it all
Now that's a design feat right there!
Not a docking phone into a laptop but a docking phone into a tablet then into a keyboard
Bring that into an apple store and everyone would be like what! I need that! I can replace my iPhone iPad and macbook air! For what less then 1000 you got me sold!
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i think every Prime owner should demand their backplates to be replaced with those from Pad Infinity design with plastic RF window.
Snapdragon S4 VS Tegra 3
This is all pretty crazy now haha. There was only 1 original Transformer (TF101) and now there's exactly 7,451 second generation models.
Just a question though, i've seen benchmarks and it seems that the S4 in the LTE prime is better than Tegra 3, does anyone think the extra cores in Tegra 3 could make up for lack of speed in some applications?
No way the dual core a15 snapdragon will smoke the tegra 3 in not only overclocking but all around performance.
Now what we should be looking forward to is the snapdragon s4 pro the one with the adreno 320 gpu that will be a real deal breaker!
Nvidia just wanted to be first to market so they took the tegra 2 and shrunk it down threw in an extra core for battery and got almost all the attention for being first!
Optimization> # of cores
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actually as a consumer i dont care at all about cores or potential speed in benchmark xy
I care about battery life and most importantly software. I'm sure all the regular games will run smooth on all the new CPUs thats not an issue. Also UI will be completely smooth thats already possible with a dualcore (galaxy s2).
So what does tegra3 offer? Intelligent design with ninja core for battery life and dedicated games that look better than anything else. That makes it better than any other chip IMHO.
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ninja core
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This.
The battery life is SO much better because of this.
..vs K3V2
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actually as a consumer i dont care at all about cores or potential speed in benchmark xy
I care about battery life and most importantly software. I'm sure all the regular games will run smooth on all the new CPUs thats not an issue. Also UI will be completely smooth thats already possible with a dualcore (galaxy s2).
So what does tegra3 offer? Intelligent design with ninja core for battery life and dedicated games that look better than anything else. That makes it better than any other chip IMHO.
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Haha I guess your right, as long as it works and works WELL, that's more than enough.
Plus if we all cared about specs we'd all be running to the huawei k3v2 chip
"49 percent faster in purely CPU-powered tasks and uses 30 percent less power than its competitors"
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/huawei-adds-home-grown-k3v2-quad-core-mobile-cpu-to-its-arsenal/
THIS MOBILE TECH SPACE IS JUST GETTING STUPID NOW!
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THIS MOBILE TECH SPACE IS JUST GETTING STUPID NOW!
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Most definately Its kinda funny i think... This is completely off topic, but i really wonder what phone manufacturers think when they decide on specs for their new phones.
For example HTC, new line of phones. I like 4.3" phones so the One S is for me. Right now i have a DesireHD. If i upgrade i get a new CPU, yay. But only 16gb memory and only 1500mAh battery (the same as my DHD...).
That means i get a potentionally faster chip (yay for psx/n64 emulation, only place where my dhd is at its limits), but it wont even be able to hold my Music library. Guess i should take my ancient ipod with me again... I liked HTC so far but this is just fail.
now back to topic I hope as many phones as possible will use Tegra3. That means more software dedicated to that chip. And more software on our Prime.
Ooh, I've seen this before. HTC did that. They released so many models that it was hard to keep track of. And this led them to a really sad situation where they are now forced to step back.
ASUS is making a mistake by releasing new models this frequently. It upsets buyers who have invested in a 'new tablet' that is outdated by the same company only few months later and leaves an impression of ASUS basically doing HTC, just improving hardware a little and causing absolutely horrible fragmentation. TF201 will likely not even get Android 5.0 officially.
I liked Engadget poking ASUS as well: "No word yet on pricing or availability. In any case, though, we wouldn't be surprised if ASUS gave birth to another tablet between now and then."
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Most definately Its kinda funny i think... This is completely off topic, but i really wonder what phone manufacturers think when they decide on specs for their new phones.
For example HTC, new line of phones. I like 4.3" phones so the One S is for me. Right now i have a DesireHD. If i upgrade i get a new CPU, yay. But only 16gb memory and only 1500mAh battery (the same as my DHD...). .
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Seconded. Was looking forward to the new HTC models, my Desire has been fantastic and I was not considering any other manufacturer, but then they go and announce the One X and S and it turns out they don't have any memory card slots. What the ****? 32GB on the One X I might be able to live with, but it's too big, and the One S does not have anywhere near enough storage.
Will wait and see on the Asus Padphone now. You might want to check that out - I couldn't give a crap about using it as a tablet but it's got a 4.3 inch display same as the One S and between 16-64GB of internal storage as well as a memory card slot.
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I have a feeling the prime will slowly disappear when the 300 is released. The two cannot really exist very well together on store shelves i don't think. Who knows when the 300 will be available though. We will have had our primes for months already.
i just can't see them selling both. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see the prime readily available in stores. It doesn't even fit with their new naming. It would confuse people. It sort of belongs as a 500 series with the premium materials and better screen than the 300.
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I think you are wrong. If anything, the original Transformer will be phased out when the TP300 is released, since the 300 will replace the OG Transformer as the budget model tablet. Also Asus has stated that they see a long product life span ahead for the current model Transformer Prime, and I believe them.
So you guys ok with a cheaper tablet with better wifi, gps etc? With Sd card slot, the 16 GB storage is not going to be a problem. Also i highly doubt if we will see Padfone in US. Its head ache to deal with carriers here and Asus may well not do it.
So the new Transformer Pad Infinity is basically the current Transformer Prime but with the following changes:
- Same metallic spun finish but with a plastic strip at the top to fix the GPS/BT/WiFi issues the Prime had.
- Same Tegra 3 CPU as the Prime (WiFi model only) but now clocked at 1.6Ghz.
- Improved display. Now 1920x1800.
- Improved front facing camera. Now 2MP and capable of HD video calls.
- 1hr less battery time compared to Prime. Due to increased resolution and clock speed.
- Available in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB configurations and same colours as the Prime.
- Same ports and keyboard dock as the Prime.
I think I might have to wait for this now. Hopefully it fixes all the issues the Prime has.
I personally would gladly trade 16 gigs internal storage for functional wifi/bt. I'll be waiting to see what the rest of the week brings for MWC, but i'm 100% sure now that I wont be buying anything until about a month out to let everyone figure out whats wrong with all these tabs.