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Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
Specs is one thing. What's important is real life performance and if there's any other possible flaw. Gtab actually looks not bad, but the software performance bogged it down. I'd by the time the Toshiba tablet is released, icecream sandwich may be released or close to be released. So unless the performance of the Toshiba tab is another class higher than grab, I see no point thinking too much about it.
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Looks almost identical to the Gtab! same resolution display too.... Won't be long before Apple will be taking Toshiba to the courts over this!! (or maybe Samsung will!??)
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Serious_Beans said:
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
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I looked at the Engadget review and the tablet looked pretty slow to me, I might be wrong. I'm very happy with my P7510 running on a vanilla 3.1 Honeycomb (soon to run on PhantomHacker's 3.2 vanilla ROM) and I'm looking forward to see Ice Cream on it.
The thing is, we will never purchase a tablet if we wait for the next "big one" to come out. Technology changes so fast that is not worth to trouble yourself. Just enjoy the tablet and use it to death, I personally think that my Tab 10.1 is an excellent product.
Well, I am not waiting for the next big one but just for one that does not have Tegra2 inside, looks OK, has I/O's I want and 3G connectivity.
So, just to have something for now I bought iPad 1 3G few weeks ago. As it is very limited device I was waiting for it to get right price. $350 for new one on warranty is OK. Now I can wait till end of the year to get Excite or Holiday or TF2 or Xoom2.... Will see.
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
The Tosh looks very nice, another weapon in the Android armoury. I'm still very happy with my Samsung 16Gb Wifi.
yqed said:
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
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It would be all true if folks like me could actually get it.
IMHO if you want (especially 3G) tablet now, good one, for reasonable price, just to keep you going till the one you really want is out iPad1 seems like a great deal.
Does most of the stuff Tegra 2 tablets do, has 3G and new one can still be found pretty cheap (half of the zoom price for example). And form me video capabilities all almost the same.
There will be always something new and better than what's available currently in the market. By the time Toshiba excite gets released to the market, even more better tablet with awesome specs will be shown at a new tech show taking place anywhere on this planet Earth.
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galtom said:
Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
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I'm feeling exactly the same as you. The size and weight of the GT 10.1 was perfect but the poor video decoding performance of the Tegra 2 and lack of MicroSD card slot was a real let down. The AT200 seems like it will be perfect for me (assuming the OMAP proc is a lot better for video decoding). I just hope it comes out real soon to the UK market. If they delay it too long then I may be put off with official specs of ICS tablets.
It is the same SOC as in new Archos G9 series (like them but they look "cheap") and they say it will "Play" anything and everything. ;-)
Dont even think about getting the tab 10.
The Ti OMAP4 4430 in the toshiba is far superior to Tegra 2.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has A9 cores with Neon processing. Tergra 2 does not have the Neon processing and will be much slower when running apps which use Neon code and alot of apps are starting to use it.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has DUAL channel memory controller. Tegra 2 only has a single channel. Since video memory is shared, dual channel will give double the memory bandwidth which is highly needed since video memory is shared from system memory.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has SUPERIOR video decoding hardware compared to tegra 2. You can finally play real HD 1080p video. Tegra 2 decoder is so slow it cant decode main and high HD profiles which is what everyone uses.
For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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Full specs have been released.
Does it have an amazing screen like the Samsung SPLS? Screen quality along with weight is what made my decision. However im disappointed in the current state of honeycomb/tablet apps. I would expect apps like Google+ to have the hangout video support. Lack of skype video is also a huge downer. My older samsung galaxy 7 also had way better video playing support.
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For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
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This is a false statement. Never ever have I contradicted myself. Never.
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On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
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No, but don't worry, I do not think Europe has one either .
And two facts:
1. OMAP is a definitely better SOC than Tegra 2 - no arguing here. The only thing at which Tegra 2 might be better (we will have to wait and see, but I doubt it myself) is energy management.
I am worried about battery life of a tablet with 1,2 - 1,5 Ghz clock.
2. It will be cheaper in US than in EU - fact.
Now, one more "issue" we might encounter by the time it is in the shops. What will be a better choice - tablet with Omap4 or Tegra3/Kal-El with 4 cores and new architecture? (unless nvidia made an intel trick or the one they do with graphic cards - Tegra 3 is two Tegra 2 cpu's on a single chip - this would suck I think)
Ahhh man, **** just got real interesting... just dont know if I can wait till March... if that's even when its supposed to come out... been waiting since last August for the prime... choices choices
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I would be surprised if it came out before Q3/4, they are saying A700 is a tech demo and not consumer product.
That plastic back looks mighty tempting :O
engadget says the a700 isn't even coming out as a production device? argument is kinda moot then.
meh
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OK, this Acer tab looks decent but tech demo. won't be released till much later in the year.
another upcoming tablet people mentioned waiting on was something from Lenovo. Well I found an article on it and this has no chance of beating the Prime out. This for Barry n others..lmao
The display is inferior
Power/Processor is inferior
the front and back cam inferior
its keyboard dock looks inferior to Prime
from what they stating on battery life, that's also inferior to Prime
Also there is no 2GB of Ram. its only gonna be 1 . lmfao
so all in all looks inferior all around the board, although a decent lower end tablet. Prime users on the High End
I seriously hope this isn't the so called Lenovo tablet I've been hearing so much about that's reason to pass Prime up. Cuz if it is, its been seriously dumbed down in specs from what people been barking. Its gonna have same resolution as prime but lower quality or not as good.
here is a link to the failed Lenovo tablet and it's a very recent article. not some hype article from months ago just speculating on specs. This is more accurate/recent
http://landofdroid.com/2012/lenovo-announce-ideatab-s2-10-inch-tablet-plus-keyboard-combo/
Also, the new Toshiba tablet is inferior also tl Prime..lol. can't believe this tabs are what people was saying are better than prime with higher resolution screens. they all have inferior specs and displays. not sure about that Acer though but I will find out.
www.landofdroid.com/2012/toshiba-introduce-excite-x10-1-2ghz-dual-core-tablet/
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I would be surprised if it came out before Q3/4, they are saying A700 is a tech demo and not consumer product.
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engadget says the a700 isn't even coming out as a production device? argument is kinda moot then.
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I will have to thank E.mote on this thread. In one thread, the 3 most talked about tablets to pass up Prime for has been killed in one thread. The Acer700 isn't even coming out for consumers. The Lenovo tablet had its specs seriously dumbed down and is not having super high resolution screen, has only 1Gb of ram, and an inferior dual core Processor. Same with the new Toshiba tablet coming out. Dumbed down specs and basically inferior all around the board. the later 2 will have same resolution but lower quality being only IPS. Prime has Super IPS+.
That only leaves the Ipad3 left. I'm sure that will be the most interesting out of mentioned tablets that are upcoming. Looks like Prime might be king of Android tablets for majority of 2012 if not the whole year. lol.
Acer said "1st half" for A700, which most took to be Q2. My guess would be May/June, allowing for ramp-up of screen yields. Tegra 2 tabs (excl Xoom) came out in April last year. More interesting would be the price. I'm expecting $500, especially if iPad 3 comes out with QXGA res at same price.
Would have been nice for Sasha bud to comment on screen quality. Guess we'll get that soon enough as CES rolls along.
Would like to see Lenovo LePad in on the dust-up, which also sports fullHD & Teg3. The LePad will be priced higher, since it's for biz segment. Should've called it the ThinkTab. Engadget has a brief hands-on of the LePad. I'd expect this for 2nd half.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
Agree about the Tosh Excite. OMAP4 is 2011 stuff, and price isn't competitive.
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Acer said "1st half" for A700, which most took to be Q2. My guess would be May/June, allowing for ramp-up of screen yields. Tegra 2 tabs (excl Xoom) came out in April last year. More interesting would be the price. I'm expecting $500, especially if iPad 3 comes out with QXGA res at same price.
Would have been nice for Sasha bud to comment on screen quality. Guess we'll get that soon enough as CES rolls along.
Would like to see Lenovo LePad in on the dust-up, which also sports fullHD & Teg3. The LePad will be priced higher, since it's for biz segment. Should've called it the ThinkTab. Engadget has a brief hands-on of the LePad. I'd expect this for 2nd half.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovo-lepad-k2010-ideatab-k2-hands-on/
Edit 3: Oops x 3. I'm getting confoozed with names. The LePad youtube vid previously linked is the Win hybrid and not the fullHD Android model.
Agree about the Tosh Excite. OMAP4 is 2011 stuff, and price isn't competitive.
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now this Lenovo one looks decent. Might follow the same fate as prime regarding GPS since back is metal also. He said metallic feel so material of backplate still needs confirming. its said to run tegra3 and higher resolution. if you read further down article into the comments, you will see alot of worries n doubt on it. Main one being that the higher resolution will eat up alot more processing power of tegra3, even of clocked slightly higher. That will make it less powerful on performance. That's why I think Prime n Tegra3 hit the sweet spot when it comes to great processing power and an excellent HD display also. Also they said this is aimed more for the business market. with that display, if specs hold to be true, it will make this device considerably more expensive than the Prime. most people I've seen here posted $500 being the Max they would pay for a tablet, regardless of specs. IF Lenovo could bring this tablet at same range as prime it would be a miracle but I doubt it though.
Something else I noticed, this tablet is thick like the original Toshiba Thrive. Definitely not slim like the Prime. If they going to make it thick like that might as well of added a full size USB port. But it doesn't have it. only looks to have full size SD card slot. That UI looked horrible also as it wasn't optimized yet. The guy also said release date hasn't even been "Officially" said or thought of yet. it will release in China first then internationally. So expect this around May/June earliest for China release. then a month or 2 later for international release. Looks like a very long wait. by then something better will be out or right around the corner..lol
>Might follow the same fate as prime regarding GPS since back is metal also
From the (newly linked) vid, it's faux metal. Regardless, since it's for business, wireless performance will be reliable. Part of the higher cost.
Edit: The guy before the rep says that K2 will be for "$399 for 16GB version, available in Q2." Pretty sure that ain't true.
>if you read further down article into the comments
I don't pay much attention to Youtube comments as a rule. Whatever said at this point is merely speculation. We'll see when it (and the Acer) comes out. Since the Prime can do 1080p via HDMI no problem, I expect same perf for screen res. If UI lags persist with ICS, then it's an OS problem.
>this tablet is thick like the original Toshiba Thrive
Yes, the Prime's thinness and metal back are strong appeals. I wouldn't say K2 is as fat as the Thrive--which is pretty dang fat--but more like the OG TF or Acer A500. However, for business segment, durability counts more than style.
>Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
For Android tabs, I think Asus will have exclusive bragging rights on this. Aside from Asus, I don't see much enthusiasm from vendors for Android tabs. For Win8 tabs, I expect many--if not most--setups to be hybrid w/ detachable screen.
Thanks I will keep my prime!
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Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
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Will either of those snap into a keyboard dock with a battery and extra ports?
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the ideapsd s2 I linked does but its specs are not up to Prime Standards. Hold up, it makes no mention of its dock having a battery included so I guess its a fail.
Wait until you guys see the tablet that Razor is introducing at CES alongside their overpriced laptop. I am here at MGM in Vegas gambling my ass off with some tech freaks. The guy who I was talking to at the Craps table asked me what I was here to see and I told him a few things. After I told him I was a gamer and a Android freak, he then said, "wait until you see the tablet that Razor is introducing." I told him I was getting the prime and he said to come back and tell him if I still wanted the prime after seeing the Razor. Bottom Line. Its probably going to cost a arm and a leg.
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I'm actually disappointed by Lenovo's quad core tablet. I won't even go into detail on why... Lenovo's dual core Krait tablet is good on CPU (won't know how well it does compared to tegra 3 til we see comparison benchmark) but Adreno GPU is horrendous. But overall, terrible showing by lenovo on tablet front...
Now, Acer's quad core is interesting. Except, it'll be on same 1.3ghz Tegra 3 (according to The Verge & Android Police.. although, i think it is speculation) with 1080p display and must likely, with 2 gig of ram. If it does get released in Q2, the price will most likely be at $500 (for 16g).. I doubt they'll go higher and compete with Apple and Samsung. I personally like the build quality (certainly an upgrade from the ugly Iconia A500).. but...
Is it worth the wait for 1080p resolution and 2 gig of Ram? Considering that android has dearth of dedicated tablet apps, the high resolution and ram will hardly be taken advantage of except GAMES and 1080p movies.
I'll wait and see what Samsung and Asus to offer...
Lenovo IdeaTab S2 10, 7, and 5-inchers
The IdeaPad S2 10 comes closest to the Asus Prime in configuration, with dock that houses an extra 10-hr batt (20-hr total). Would be interesting to see the 1.5GHz dual-core Snapdragon's bench numbers. Available Q2.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/lenovos-ideatab-s2-10-joins-the-tablet-transformation-gang-pa/
The 7 comes with HC.
One of the few 5" toys. Comes with GB, but that can be rectified.
Shocker !
The so called "competition" to the Prime won't blow it away in any regard, won't be cheaper and won't come out before god knows when.
Maybe getting the Prime isn't such a bad idea after all.
Wow Im digging that Acer. Assuming Acer will have more game support? Well as far as gameloft games anyway. I do hope it does come out to consumers. I also like that it has micro USB for charging rather than proprietary one. Will be using my prime till then.
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Wow Im digging that Acer. Assuming Acer will have more game support? Well as far as gameloft games anyway. I do hope it does come out to consumers. I also like that it has micro USB for charging rather than proprietary one. Will be using my prime till then.
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they aren't sure anymore if the USB can be used for charging.
personally, i'm not blown away by either of those tablets, is 1080p enticing? sure, but i'll take my cost effective, good dock having, in my hands now prime over something that may be out by the middle of this year.
being that toshiba wants to charge 500+ for the 16gb dual core a200, these tablets are going to be priced right out of the market.
I'm too sold on the keyboard dock to have considered either of these new devices. I'd like the 2GB DDR3 that appears to be an option on the Lenovo tablet, I admit... browser tabs are still unloaded more than I'd like on 1GB RAM. I don't value high-resolution screens above the keyboard dock, though; high-res screens are pretty, but the keyboard dock is transformative (no pun intended).
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-rebrands-its-tablets-transformer-pads-announces-the-infi/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/27/asus-outs-lower-end-transformer-pad-300-tablet-with-16gb-of-stor/
There you go So we'll be having a luxury model, thats more expensive and without tegra3 but 1080p display. And then a low cost one, without IPS+, only 16gb und ugly colored (imho) plastic backs.
Asus also gives slightly less battery life (10h against 12h of the prime) on both "new" tablets. Of course they will be good devices, but with both of them i think "ah its just slightly off from what i'm looking for".
I think the Prime is still the sweet spot, and i'm glad i didnt wait
Does the LTE vertion include WiFi?
Now I'm fully convinced to get my Prime, as soon as Amazon Italy lists it as available again.
There is a Tegra 3 one for the WiFi only version model, that's listed in the article you linked.
I have a feeling the prime will slowly disappear when the 300 is released. The two cannot really exist very well together on store shelves i don't think. Who knows when the 300 will be available though. We will have had our primes for months already.
i just can't see them selling both. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see the prime readily available in stores. It doesn't even fit with their new naming. It would confuse people. It sort of belongs as a 500 series with the premium materials and better screen than the 300.
Asus Press Releases
Asus press releases on this:
http://press.asus.com/asus-showcase...rmer-pad-range-at-mobile-world-congress-2012/
http://press.asus.com/asus-padfone-...ineup-unveiled-at-mobile-world-congress-2012/
I just hope sprint gets that Padphone and it will be all mine 1 device to do it all
Now that's a design feat right there!
Not a docking phone into a laptop but a docking phone into a tablet then into a keyboard
Bring that into an apple store and everyone would be like what! I need that! I can replace my iPhone iPad and macbook air! For what less then 1000 you got me sold!
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i think every Prime owner should demand their backplates to be replaced with those from Pad Infinity design with plastic RF window.
Snapdragon S4 VS Tegra 3
This is all pretty crazy now haha. There was only 1 original Transformer (TF101) and now there's exactly 7,451 second generation models.
Just a question though, i've seen benchmarks and it seems that the S4 in the LTE prime is better than Tegra 3, does anyone think the extra cores in Tegra 3 could make up for lack of speed in some applications?
No way the dual core a15 snapdragon will smoke the tegra 3 in not only overclocking but all around performance.
Now what we should be looking forward to is the snapdragon s4 pro the one with the adreno 320 gpu that will be a real deal breaker!
Nvidia just wanted to be first to market so they took the tegra 2 and shrunk it down threw in an extra core for battery and got almost all the attention for being first!
Optimization> # of cores
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actually as a consumer i dont care at all about cores or potential speed in benchmark xy
I care about battery life and most importantly software. I'm sure all the regular games will run smooth on all the new CPUs thats not an issue. Also UI will be completely smooth thats already possible with a dualcore (galaxy s2).
So what does tegra3 offer? Intelligent design with ninja core for battery life and dedicated games that look better than anything else. That makes it better than any other chip IMHO.
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This.
The battery life is SO much better because of this.
..vs K3V2
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actually as a consumer i dont care at all about cores or potential speed in benchmark xy
I care about battery life and most importantly software. I'm sure all the regular games will run smooth on all the new CPUs thats not an issue. Also UI will be completely smooth thats already possible with a dualcore (galaxy s2).
So what does tegra3 offer? Intelligent design with ninja core for battery life and dedicated games that look better than anything else. That makes it better than any other chip IMHO.
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Haha I guess your right, as long as it works and works WELL, that's more than enough.
Plus if we all cared about specs we'd all be running to the huawei k3v2 chip
"49 percent faster in purely CPU-powered tasks and uses 30 percent less power than its competitors"
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/huawei-adds-home-grown-k3v2-quad-core-mobile-cpu-to-its-arsenal/
THIS MOBILE TECH SPACE IS JUST GETTING STUPID NOW!
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THIS MOBILE TECH SPACE IS JUST GETTING STUPID NOW!
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Most definately Its kinda funny i think... This is completely off topic, but i really wonder what phone manufacturers think when they decide on specs for their new phones.
For example HTC, new line of phones. I like 4.3" phones so the One S is for me. Right now i have a DesireHD. If i upgrade i get a new CPU, yay. But only 16gb memory and only 1500mAh battery (the same as my DHD...).
That means i get a potentionally faster chip (yay for psx/n64 emulation, only place where my dhd is at its limits), but it wont even be able to hold my Music library. Guess i should take my ancient ipod with me again... I liked HTC so far but this is just fail.
now back to topic I hope as many phones as possible will use Tegra3. That means more software dedicated to that chip. And more software on our Prime.
Ooh, I've seen this before. HTC did that. They released so many models that it was hard to keep track of. And this led them to a really sad situation where they are now forced to step back.
ASUS is making a mistake by releasing new models this frequently. It upsets buyers who have invested in a 'new tablet' that is outdated by the same company only few months later and leaves an impression of ASUS basically doing HTC, just improving hardware a little and causing absolutely horrible fragmentation. TF201 will likely not even get Android 5.0 officially.
I liked Engadget poking ASUS as well: "No word yet on pricing or availability. In any case, though, we wouldn't be surprised if ASUS gave birth to another tablet between now and then."
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Most definately Its kinda funny i think... This is completely off topic, but i really wonder what phone manufacturers think when they decide on specs for their new phones.
For example HTC, new line of phones. I like 4.3" phones so the One S is for me. Right now i have a DesireHD. If i upgrade i get a new CPU, yay. But only 16gb memory and only 1500mAh battery (the same as my DHD...). .
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Seconded. Was looking forward to the new HTC models, my Desire has been fantastic and I was not considering any other manufacturer, but then they go and announce the One X and S and it turns out they don't have any memory card slots. What the ****? 32GB on the One X I might be able to live with, but it's too big, and the One S does not have anywhere near enough storage.
Will wait and see on the Asus Padphone now. You might want to check that out - I couldn't give a crap about using it as a tablet but it's got a 4.3 inch display same as the One S and between 16-64GB of internal storage as well as a memory card slot.
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I have a feeling the prime will slowly disappear when the 300 is released. The two cannot really exist very well together on store shelves i don't think. Who knows when the 300 will be available though. We will have had our primes for months already.
i just can't see them selling both. I wouldn't be surprised if we never see the prime readily available in stores. It doesn't even fit with their new naming. It would confuse people. It sort of belongs as a 500 series with the premium materials and better screen than the 300.
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I think you are wrong. If anything, the original Transformer will be phased out when the TP300 is released, since the 300 will replace the OG Transformer as the budget model tablet. Also Asus has stated that they see a long product life span ahead for the current model Transformer Prime, and I believe them.
So you guys ok with a cheaper tablet with better wifi, gps etc? With Sd card slot, the 16 GB storage is not going to be a problem. Also i highly doubt if we will see Padfone in US. Its head ache to deal with carriers here and Asus may well not do it.
So the new Transformer Pad Infinity is basically the current Transformer Prime but with the following changes:
- Same metallic spun finish but with a plastic strip at the top to fix the GPS/BT/WiFi issues the Prime had.
- Same Tegra 3 CPU as the Prime (WiFi model only) but now clocked at 1.6Ghz.
- Improved display. Now 1920x1800.
- Improved front facing camera. Now 2MP and capable of HD video calls.
- 1hr less battery time compared to Prime. Due to increased resolution and clock speed.
- Available in 16GB, 32GB and 64GB configurations and same colours as the Prime.
- Same ports and keyboard dock as the Prime.
I think I might have to wait for this now. Hopefully it fixes all the issues the Prime has.
I personally would gladly trade 16 gigs internal storage for functional wifi/bt. I'll be waiting to see what the rest of the week brings for MWC, but i'm 100% sure now that I wont be buying anything until about a month out to let everyone figure out whats wrong with all these tabs.
I'm itching for Ice Cream Sandwich and I'm annoyed that we'll probably never see it, neither officially nor through XDA development. I've been eyeing the Galaxy Tab 2.0 7" which comes with ICS.
But I was wondering, how do the specs compare in terms of performance, mainly the processor/GPU and camera? It seems it has a dual core processor, so perhaps it's slightly more powerful? (The difference in storage and pen input are complete non-issues for me.)
It may also be much thinner and lighter?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-7-Inch-Wi-Fi/dp/B007P4VOWC
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I'm itching for Ice Cream Sandwich and I'm annoyed that we'll probably never see it, neither officially nor through XDA development. I've been eyeing the Galaxy Tab 2.0 7" which comes with ICS.
But I was wondering, how do the specs compare in terms of performance, mainly the processor/GPU and camera? It seems it has a dual core processor, so perhaps it's slightly more powerful? (The difference in storage and pen input are complete non-issues for me.)
It may also be much thinner and lighter?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-7-Inch-Wi-Fi/dp/B007P4VOWC
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No scribe digitised pen though ... I thought the pen was great, really useful for scribbling accurate diagrams on the fly .... and then I lost my pen Life is dreadful now, tablet is still great, but without the pen I realise its not half as useful - replacement on order & I'll be more careful with it now !
If you haven't used a Flyer for an extended period with a pen you won't realise.
It's pretty much a wash for you except you get ICS.
The 1Ghz dual core vs 1.5Ghz single core has been debated back and forth about which is faster.
I've never had a problem with speed on my view, it has a great screen, it has the pen input (for me it's become a necessity), the stand alone gps etc etc. It just works for what I need.
Galaxy tab is more expensive, has no pen input, same specs other than the processor, but comes with ICS. *shrug*
In real life applications the Flyer will be faster than the Sammy since very little software acutally can take advantage of the dual core. I played with the Sammy at bestbuy. It's ok, but ICS seems to offer very little difference from Honeycomb.
I'd be more interested in the Samsung Galaxy Note with Pen, except I would never buy anything from AT&T.
Ics uses processor optimization . So it will use both the cores efficiently . The price is only 250. Seems like a steal to me. Plus i love Samsung browser, smooth as butter . Plus it will be supported with updates. Its also very sleek. The ui is much nicer and will be smoother than sense. Honestly though , don't lie, i know you guys see the lag on the view . Its very obvious . If you say you don't see it youre just lieing to yourself.
Go for it, i would if i didn't have this tab already.
HTC is rumored to preping a Samsung Galaxy Note competitor . Should have 5-inch screen with a 1080x1920 pixels of resolution, and it will be a true RGB display. A quad-core Krait processor inside with Adreno 320 GPU The upcoming HTC device will debut Sense 5.0 and have a Scribe pen.
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Ics uses processor optimization . So it will use both the cores efficiently . The price is only 250. Seems like a steal to me. Plus i love Samsung browser, smooth as butter . Plus it will be supported with updates. Its also very sleek. The ui is much nicer and will be smoother than sense. Honestly though , don't lie, i know you guys see the lag on the view . Its very obvious . If you say you don't see it youre just lieing to yourself.
Go for it, i would if i didn't have this tab already.
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"processor optimization" laughable....
there is no way single threaded software can be made mutli-threaded on the fly. Marketing speak... LOL
The Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is one of the two tablets that I'm considering to replace my View. The Nexus tablet is the other one. I'm going to wait until that comes out before I make a decision.
The guy that the Flyer crowd has "hired" to make ICS for them has said he will do a View build when he's done with the Flyer build. If that happens, I'll probably just keep the View.
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Ics uses processor optimization . So it will use both the cores efficiently . The price is only 250. Seems like a steal to me. Plus i love Samsung browser, smooth as butter . Plus it will be supported with updates. Its also very sleek. The ui is much nicer and will be smoother than sense. Honestly though , don't lie, i know you guys see the lag on the view . Its very obvious . If you say you don't see it youre just lieing to yourself.
Go for it, i would if i didn't have this tab already.
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what's up with you? looking at the few posts you have made and you're just bashing this tablet. do you have some personal vendetta against the flyer/view or HTC?
Sell your htc tablet and buy this then
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=5071535&pid=1218605851382
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My roommate just got this tablet and if I knew it was coming out honestly I would of waited. I think the Flyer COULD be faster but stock honeycomb is rubbish on it.
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I do not have any issues with my flyer either on HC or GB. that being said it is likely the development will be more active on the Samsung Tab
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My roommate just got this tablet and if I knew it was coming out honestly I would of waited. I think the Flyer COULD be faster but stock honeycomb is rubbish on it.
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Its not bad its just kind of slow. Im too used to exynos butter.
I can vouch that it seems dual core makes a bigger difference than raw speed. My flyer seemed pretty quick untill I got my vivid which is 300 MHz slower but has a dual core. That being said I don't know all the differences between hc and ics on tablets. Ics was pretty snappy on my ancient galaxy s 1 based captivate, honeycomb might be just designed around dual cores while ics is more friendly to all hardware. That being said I still love this tablet and its not slow by any means. For whatever reason with globaltrons stock ics Rom with s-OFF it does seem faster. But at any rate I paid $200 for this tab and only got it at that price because it was refurbished. The tab 2 is a brand new tab at $250 and that's a full Android tablet with all the fixings priced against glorified ereaders. I wouldn't sell my Flyer to get one now but indeed its a bargain for anyone who wants a tab and doesnt have one... Why would anyone get a kindle fire or nook tablet now?
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And yeah development is a big issue with HTC device's. They are just harder to mod than Samsungs and development is also dependent on buzz and hype. Samsung has had all the hits and they have unlocked bootloaders.
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The big issue is whether you want to be able to use a stylus or not. The trade off for not having ICS is huge.
Stock HC is FINE on the View for the capabilities you will get with the stylus--IFF you need it. Otherwise, if you are just looking for a tablet and have no need for the pen, then go for Samsung. ICS a huge improvement but if you are okay with a tablet that works very well and is useful then the View is fine.
You may want to consider the Flyer since there is far more development for it. For me, the View is a muuuuuch sexier device.
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I really don't care about the pen because the price is absurd. Besides you can always get a regular capacitive stylus. I got my Flyer because it was a cheap honeycomb tablet with good hardware and a gig of ram.
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With the Flyer discontinued and the Samsung GTab selling for $250.00 there's really little point in seeking out a Flyer if you're in the market for a 7" tablet (unless you absolutely positively must have the stylus). But if you already own a Flyer, I'd hold out for a Quad Core Tegra 3 tablet to replace the Flyer. I doubt the Samsung GTab 2.0 will feel a whole lot faster, but the new Tegra 3 tablets definitely run faster. Having played Pinball Arcade on my Flyer and an ASUS Transformer Prime, I can promise you, the difference is very obvious.
Now, me personally, I'm going to hold on to my Flyer for some time. I really like this little tablet. But I'm also about to go out and buy an ASUS Transformer TF300. Played with one in Best Buy and it's awesome, especially with the keyboard dock.
I don't plan on replacing my Flyer anytime soon. I'm planning on holding onto it for a couple years. As for the tab 2 no there aren't enough reasons to give up the flyer for one plus its got weaker cameras and less storage, but if your in the market for a tab now then yes definitely get a tab 2 over a discontinued unsupported flyer or view.
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I don't see anything close to what I need except the Samsung Galaxy Note. When I replace my phone, I'll get that. When I need more power I'm not getting a tablet, I'm getting a Asus or Toshiba Ultrabook. As thin as a tablet with 10x the power and a 14" screen.
I need a 7 inch amoled type screen tab
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
With that said, the TP has been out for about seven months now, and the SIII has only been out for a couple of weeks. The logical progression of things like this is that new top-end devices will always be faster than old top-end devices. The TP hasn't stopped being an excellent device that shines in its own right, but it will be considered an antique in a couple of years.
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Never followed up to say thanks for your opinion. I just wish Asus would put the effort into their hardware as apple does.
Anyway, I love my Prime but rarely use it anymore, now that I have my Galaxy s2, and an i3 Dell laptop to tether to my phone.
Besides my white s2 looks majestic compared to.....whatever they want to call that s3 design
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cragains said:
It is difficult for Me to believe that a phone is outranking my beautiful TF201, according to anatutu.
Im a tad disappointed.
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New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
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New devices are faster than older devices. This is nothing new.
Also, practically no apps really take full advantage of all of the processing power that the Prime has to offer. It isn't as if app hardware requirements are about to jump up to the point where they won't run on your Prime any longer so specs aren't really all that important anyway.
IMO the spec-race with regards to Android devices really needs to slow down. I am all for more powerful devices but since the software isn't exactly racing to keep up increasing the specs past a certain point just make hardware more expensive.
Companies would be better off focusing that money on stuff like better cameras, better screens, improved battery life, better build materials & processes and improving software development in order to really iron out all of their new software features and ensure a better over-all user experience.
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Word!
Also minor changes are made to the interface of Android. Companies should focus on making their devices more unique than powerful. I used to make fun of iphone owners by saying that the interface (which seems to be designed by a 5-year-old) has not changed since the first iphone. But now I guess the same can be said about android phones. If google is not willing to make bold changes, mobile makers should take the first steps and do it.
You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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You are just bragging about "apps doesn't support quad core", "we cant see tegra power". Bull****. Tegra is full of crap. Android is full of crap really. U buy a 4 core tablet, no app supporting this amount of cores (and let's ****in face it - this tablet performs like **** with I/O problems). I mean wtf? Going with iPad next time!
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So... can I say that iOS is crap too because of fake multitasking, lack of homescreen, ripping off the notification centre, lack of customisability and only dual-core CPU? Similarly, can I also say the iPad is crap because it's overpriced, evolutionary rather than revolutionary jump from iPad 2 to iPad 3, only a 5MP camera, heavier than the Prime, thicker than the Prime, no 600nit display, no official keyboard dock, no storage expansion options and overpriced accessories?
Really? We have to revert back to another ipad vs. Transfner Prime thread? I thought these silly arguments were over with.
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I was going to write a long post about how the prime is over a doubling period old and its still one of the top contenders but i realized its useless.
Why complain that a device thats over 6 months old isnt the best on the market? Especially when it was overrated and still has lots of problems
Also consider samsung's reputation in making high end devices. Their quad core tablet will, i expect, out perform the prime or the 700 with ease, mind you without the fancy accessories.
Sometimes i wonder why i even bother...
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Ya as we constantly move towards faster, more powerfull, smaller, we are pushing limits and things will occasionally break down or not work as expected. Got a link to the S3 video?
The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Here's a direct link to the forum with fotos http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056677034 . How they can claim it's a fault of the carmount and heater I don't know, must be very heat sensitive.
Looks like it fried near where the 3g/4g antennas are, perhaps a poor connection? Aparently samsung took the phone for testing, will be watching this topic closely since im interested in geting a SGS3 when the prices come down.
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The S3 in Canada is only dual core, kind of useless, why should i upgrade from my S2 which is clocked slightly slower and just has slightly less memory? Other than that my phone works awesome and after tweaking i dont have issues with anything.
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Snapdragon S2 and S3 use the Scorpion core, which takes some of the best features of both Cortex-A8 and Cortex-A9 ARM core designs and brings them into a single ARM core....
Snapdragon S4 uses the Krait core, which takes the best features of the Cortex-A9 and the Cortex-A15 ARM core designs with a much better manufacturing process to produce smaller chips that are far more power efficient and deliver amazing amounts of performance compared to its competitors (which are Cortex-A9 based). This is why dual-core Snapdragon S4 devices can go toe to toe with the quad-core Tegra 3 and Exynos 4 on the CPU front.
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This is a quote from http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/ . It kind of stings a little to see the dual core s4 beating my Prime in benchmarks with half the cores, but that is technology and I'm still happy with my prime.
As far as comparing the speed of the S2 to the S3, the S3 should be a very noticeable difference. A15 is much better than A9 AND Qualcomm has a license to develop their own ARM CPU cores. Also, the S2 will have half the RAM of the S3. I don't feel like that is "slightly less"
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They are different devices doing different things. Phones typically have a lot more going on with their internal processes than tablets, so I don't think that the SIII is going to be significantly faster in real-world use.
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Really? Tell me more about it, I'm using Transformer Prime and Galaxy S3 international version.
fordwolden said:
Yeah, prime owners including myself have had some issues. Still I am, and always have been very satisfied with it. I sadly
fell on the "if I run 10 apps on my Prime it shuts down"-train and ran some tweaks. It's running "faster" now but I have no idea
why I did it as it was doing all I wanted in the first place!
Now to my point, norwegian site www.itavisen.no today released an article with pictures of a guys S3 actually "exploding"
shooting out white flames and melting. No kidding. The phone is on it's way to Samsung for testing. With a recall
possibility. As I said we've had our share, but this. And that's samsung, known for build quality. Lol
So no it's not only Asus.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
It doesn't matter what scores benchmarking apps like Antutu shows, my Prime scores a 13k while my S3 scores 11.9k. It's more to being able to do what it's suppose to do, not crashing and more Force Crashes or having Severe lag while transfering files within the system.
S3 didn't kill the TF201, ASUS just failed to deliver what TF201 is meant to be.
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9 million pre orders and only 1 case of malfunction? Pretty damn good build quality.
ASUS Transformer Prime, unsure amount of sales, redundant "note taking" screen digitizer, incompetent IO and a whole heap load of complaints regarding screen flicker and FC issue. Well, we have a winner here.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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My point was I'd rather be one of the 2 million people with I/O problems (which it seems _motley are doing some great things with in his new 3.0.6 kernel) than to be the one in 9 million that gets the device that shoots out white flames when I'm walking around with it in my jeanspocket at a downward 45 degree angle. Just saying.
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I don't think I can really draw a comparison between these two at all. It's different then apples and oranges, it's like an avocado and a rump roast.
The exploding GS3 doesn't tell me much, it's an extreme case and I don't know what other variables are thrown in the mix. Regardless of benchmark scores, I'm very happy with my prime. Is the quality better than that of the ipad? No, not at all in my opinion. But I didn't buy it to compare to my ipad, I bought it to play with and I have A LOT of fun with it building and modding and tweaking.