I'm itching for Ice Cream Sandwich and I'm annoyed that we'll probably never see it, neither officially nor through XDA development. I've been eyeing the Galaxy Tab 2.0 7" which comes with ICS.
But I was wondering, how do the specs compare in terms of performance, mainly the processor/GPU and camera? It seems it has a dual core processor, so perhaps it's slightly more powerful? (The difference in storage and pen input are complete non-issues for me.)
It may also be much thinner and lighter?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-7-Inch-Wi-Fi/dp/B007P4VOWC
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I'm itching for Ice Cream Sandwich and I'm annoyed that we'll probably never see it, neither officially nor through XDA development. I've been eyeing the Galaxy Tab 2.0 7" which comes with ICS.
But I was wondering, how do the specs compare in terms of performance, mainly the processor/GPU and camera? It seems it has a dual core processor, so perhaps it's slightly more powerful? (The difference in storage and pen input are complete non-issues for me.)
It may also be much thinner and lighter?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-7-Inch-Wi-Fi/dp/B007P4VOWC
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No scribe digitised pen though ... I thought the pen was great, really useful for scribbling accurate diagrams on the fly .... and then I lost my pen Life is dreadful now, tablet is still great, but without the pen I realise its not half as useful - replacement on order & I'll be more careful with it now !
If you haven't used a Flyer for an extended period with a pen you won't realise.
It's pretty much a wash for you except you get ICS.
The 1Ghz dual core vs 1.5Ghz single core has been debated back and forth about which is faster.
I've never had a problem with speed on my view, it has a great screen, it has the pen input (for me it's become a necessity), the stand alone gps etc etc. It just works for what I need.
Galaxy tab is more expensive, has no pen input, same specs other than the processor, but comes with ICS. *shrug*
In real life applications the Flyer will be faster than the Sammy since very little software acutally can take advantage of the dual core. I played with the Sammy at bestbuy. It's ok, but ICS seems to offer very little difference from Honeycomb.
I'd be more interested in the Samsung Galaxy Note with Pen, except I would never buy anything from AT&T.
Ics uses processor optimization . So it will use both the cores efficiently . The price is only 250. Seems like a steal to me. Plus i love Samsung browser, smooth as butter . Plus it will be supported with updates. Its also very sleek. The ui is much nicer and will be smoother than sense. Honestly though , don't lie, i know you guys see the lag on the view . Its very obvious . If you say you don't see it youre just lieing to yourself.
Go for it, i would if i didn't have this tab already.
HTC is rumored to preping a Samsung Galaxy Note competitor . Should have 5-inch screen with a 1080x1920 pixels of resolution, and it will be a true RGB display. A quad-core Krait processor inside with Adreno 320 GPU The upcoming HTC device will debut Sense 5.0 and have a Scribe pen.
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Ics uses processor optimization . So it will use both the cores efficiently . The price is only 250. Seems like a steal to me. Plus i love Samsung browser, smooth as butter . Plus it will be supported with updates. Its also very sleek. The ui is much nicer and will be smoother than sense. Honestly though , don't lie, i know you guys see the lag on the view . Its very obvious . If you say you don't see it youre just lieing to yourself.
Go for it, i would if i didn't have this tab already.
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"processor optimization" laughable....
there is no way single threaded software can be made mutli-threaded on the fly. Marketing speak... LOL
The Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 is one of the two tablets that I'm considering to replace my View. The Nexus tablet is the other one. I'm going to wait until that comes out before I make a decision.
The guy that the Flyer crowd has "hired" to make ICS for them has said he will do a View build when he's done with the Flyer build. If that happens, I'll probably just keep the View.
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Ics uses processor optimization . So it will use both the cores efficiently . The price is only 250. Seems like a steal to me. Plus i love Samsung browser, smooth as butter . Plus it will be supported with updates. Its also very sleek. The ui is much nicer and will be smoother than sense. Honestly though , don't lie, i know you guys see the lag on the view . Its very obvious . If you say you don't see it youre just lieing to yourself.
Go for it, i would if i didn't have this tab already.
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what's up with you? looking at the few posts you have made and you're just bashing this tablet. do you have some personal vendetta against the flyer/view or HTC?
Sell your htc tablet and buy this then
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?skuId=5071535&pid=1218605851382
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My roommate just got this tablet and if I knew it was coming out honestly I would of waited. I think the Flyer COULD be faster but stock honeycomb is rubbish on it.
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I do not have any issues with my flyer either on HC or GB. that being said it is likely the development will be more active on the Samsung Tab
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My roommate just got this tablet and if I knew it was coming out honestly I would of waited. I think the Flyer COULD be faster but stock honeycomb is rubbish on it.
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Its not bad its just kind of slow. Im too used to exynos butter.
I can vouch that it seems dual core makes a bigger difference than raw speed. My flyer seemed pretty quick untill I got my vivid which is 300 MHz slower but has a dual core. That being said I don't know all the differences between hc and ics on tablets. Ics was pretty snappy on my ancient galaxy s 1 based captivate, honeycomb might be just designed around dual cores while ics is more friendly to all hardware. That being said I still love this tablet and its not slow by any means. For whatever reason with globaltrons stock ics Rom with s-OFF it does seem faster. But at any rate I paid $200 for this tab and only got it at that price because it was refurbished. The tab 2 is a brand new tab at $250 and that's a full Android tablet with all the fixings priced against glorified ereaders. I wouldn't sell my Flyer to get one now but indeed its a bargain for anyone who wants a tab and doesnt have one... Why would anyone get a kindle fire or nook tablet now?
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And yeah development is a big issue with HTC device's. They are just harder to mod than Samsungs and development is also dependent on buzz and hype. Samsung has had all the hits and they have unlocked bootloaders.
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The big issue is whether you want to be able to use a stylus or not. The trade off for not having ICS is huge.
Stock HC is FINE on the View for the capabilities you will get with the stylus--IFF you need it. Otherwise, if you are just looking for a tablet and have no need for the pen, then go for Samsung. ICS a huge improvement but if you are okay with a tablet that works very well and is useful then the View is fine.
You may want to consider the Flyer since there is far more development for it. For me, the View is a muuuuuch sexier device.
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I really don't care about the pen because the price is absurd. Besides you can always get a regular capacitive stylus. I got my Flyer because it was a cheap honeycomb tablet with good hardware and a gig of ram.
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With the Flyer discontinued and the Samsung GTab selling for $250.00 there's really little point in seeking out a Flyer if you're in the market for a 7" tablet (unless you absolutely positively must have the stylus). But if you already own a Flyer, I'd hold out for a Quad Core Tegra 3 tablet to replace the Flyer. I doubt the Samsung GTab 2.0 will feel a whole lot faster, but the new Tegra 3 tablets definitely run faster. Having played Pinball Arcade on my Flyer and an ASUS Transformer Prime, I can promise you, the difference is very obvious.
Now, me personally, I'm going to hold on to my Flyer for some time. I really like this little tablet. But I'm also about to go out and buy an ASUS Transformer TF300. Played with one in Best Buy and it's awesome, especially with the keyboard dock.
I don't plan on replacing my Flyer anytime soon. I'm planning on holding onto it for a couple years. As for the tab 2 no there aren't enough reasons to give up the flyer for one plus its got weaker cameras and less storage, but if your in the market for a tab now then yes definitely get a tab 2 over a discontinued unsupported flyer or view.
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I don't see anything close to what I need except the Samsung Galaxy Note. When I replace my phone, I'll get that. When I need more power I'm not getting a tablet, I'm getting a Asus or Toshiba Ultrabook. As thin as a tablet with 10x the power and a 14" screen.
I need a 7 inch amoled type screen tab
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OK so listen here, I have owned the following device listed below, yes I know I'm crazy LOL, I'm a tech guy and I love to try out everything.
Items owned within the last 2 months.
Ipad
Ipad2
Motorola xoom
Asus Transformer and Dock
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 I/O edition
Nook Color rooted with CM7....
Ok now, I did like every device I did own but something just seemed missing from them all. Out of all if them I will say the Transformer was the best, accept for the sound.
Now on to me owing the HTC Flyer with nice white case and magic Pen, and I will go all out now and say that its the best damn android tablet I have now owned. I love everything about the Flyer, The screen is right up there with the best of them and I think it even looks better then the Ipad2 and transformer screens, viewing angles are tops. The text is so clear and perfect.
Now I have read reviews about the HTC Flyer sounds lacking, honestly I have no Idea what the reviewers are talking about the HTC flyer sounds is amazingly loud and freaking clear sound. So don't read the review about the sound not being good, the HTC flyer sound blows the Transformer speakers out of the water.
Now lets talk about speed, yes speed, With just a single 1.5 ghz core processor this thing seems so much faster the dual core processors, you say how, well do a test for your self,m the web browser has been the best experience out of all the Tablets I have owned. Crazy as it sounds but its super fast.
Now the Pen, yes it may sound like a gimmick but its not and its fun and useful to you in its own right.
Anyway, I hear honeycomb is going to be released for the Flyer, and I will say there's really no need fcor it, I love the Flyer as is, I Give big Kudos to HTC on making and sweet like mobile Tablets, in the end people that's all I wanted was a nice mobile device and The Flyer takes the cake.
I give it a 9 oput of 10.
Don't listen to the reviews, this tab is way underrated.
i 100% agree thing is sooo nice...i barely use my laptop anymore
I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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I love 7" tablets, and this isby far the best I have used. The web browsing is just amazingly fast, can't get enough of the Flyer.
It's nice but I still would take a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the Limited Edition over it.
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I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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That's why I sold my Tegra 2 tablet and still have my flyer.
about the processor
A 1.5 ghz single core processor will always blow away a 1 ghz dual core processor until applications are optimized for dual core processors. If an application wasn't designed with multi core processors in mind then it is basically 1.5 ghz single core vs. a 1 ghz dual core that will only run on 1 core. Right now there are relatively few applications out there that are actually optimized for the dual core processors, so you rarely see the increase in speed from the tegra2 processor that other tablets have.
I love my HTC Flyer and its wimpy 1.5 ghz processor that I've been reading about in all the reviews that are written by people who don't know what they are talking about ha.
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It's nice but I still would take a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the Limited Edition over it.
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Its hype don't do it. I owned the tab 10.1 limited sold it bought the flyer returned the flyer bought another limited sold it bought the flyer again. The tab is a nice piece of hardware honeycomb is lacking right now. The flyer is amazing and will develop a cult like following. I prefer it over all tablets right now. Its the small things such as the propriety cable that also takes micro USB, the beaitful screen, pen is really useful, size and weight are prefect, and it takes a micro sd cards to expand storage. I have a 32gb SD card and its awesome.
I don't want honeycomb on it unless its just as functuional as it is now.
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Now lets talk about speed, yes speed, With just a single 1.5 ghz core processor this thing seems so much faster the dual core processors, you say how, well do a test for your self [...]
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I agree with all you wrote about the Flyer. Before I buy my, I also read the reviews and was afraid that it was a little bit slow, because every review note the single core CPU and that it is slower than the dual core tablets.
I thought the tester not only under impress from the ipad hype but really test and feal it. But it compare the Flyer with many other devices, also the (reported) fast ones like the ipad 2. And in all my tests the Flyer was much faster and react directly.
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So sure? Okay, mathematical is 2 x 1 bigger then 1.5 and also in applications which make many calculations but a tablet is not a calculator and not use as one but mainly a user interface and here it depends only on the OS and the one for ipad and honeycomb are both optimized. But in an OS you haven't so much use in a dual core system.
Only in some games you will have an advantage. This is the same here as by other devices and PCs where the advantage from a dual core in normal daily use is also limited.
So, don't expect that one day the dual core are much faster...
Mathematically it doesn't matter until the application is written for multi threaded processing. Or parallel processing, whatever you'd like to call it. Once those applications are optimized you will see a speed different in the performance of processing intensive applications. The few that are out right now are mostly games. And if you are in the market for a gaming device, I don't think most people buy a 7 inch tablet that comes with true pen support.
I'm really very happy about this thread. I haven't tried many tablets, so I have little to compare. I have messed with a friend's eee Transformer, and it's ok, but I think the build quality is kind of poor, and the tegra2 processor is slower than my flyer... as mentioned above. In real-world performance, we were both playing back 720p mkvs in Mobo Player... his stuttered occasionally enough to be annoying. The flyer never had a hiccup. I'll take the 1.5ghz proc over the tegra2 any day. The form factor is also really great as well. I do look forward to honeycomb on it, just for Google's Video Chat.
again, what matters to me is the size and performance, and out of all the tablets I mention I owned, the flyer kicks all there butts.
I mean all I hear is about all the other tablets screens, let me tell you the flyer's screen is better the all of them, I know some will say "yeah your saying that because I own the flyer", No really the flyer's screen is flat out no pun intended "Quietly Brilliant". Viewing angles are best I have seen, even better theh the ipad2 and Asus.
The battery is great too. It has lasted much linger then the Xoom I owned and the Transformer. Asus says the transformer has 9.5 hours, I beg to differ, my battery on the Asus tab alone without the dock was dying in just about 6 hours ion full charge.
I'm still learning with the magic pen, well that's what I call it. Ans its just an awesome feature,
I will go on record again and say this, I don't know what some of these guys reviewing are saying about the speakers, the Speaks on the flyer are freaking tops for me. It is right up there with the xoom's speakers which is noticed to be the best. I say the Flyers speakers are one of the best!
I think people just give bad reviews to give them. I'm unbiased and I think the flyer is a complete WIN, best tablet of 2011 bar none, and of course this is all my opinion. I just don't want people passing this thing up until they own one or at least use it for a day, I'm telling you a day with the flyer and all opinions will change.
Bottom Line GREAT JOB HTC...
I think the main problem with people taking a dive with the HTC flyer is the lack of developer support. I was going to pick one up and I heard that there's just too little support for the device . I think that's why people get the galaxy tab 10.1 cause even if it's not a great product out of the box, dev's make it a really great device when they work their magic.
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I think the main problem with people taking a dive with the HTC flyer is the lack of developer support. I was going to pick one up and I heard that there's just too little support for the device . I think that's why people get the galaxy tab 10.1 cause even if it's not a great product out of the box, dev's make it a really great device when they work their magic.
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really, what does the great support does the galaxy tab have.
I'm not paying $500 to $600 for a device with no Micro Sd card support, so IMO galaxt tab =Possible Fail.
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really, what does the great support does the galaxy tab have.
I'm not paying $500 to $600 for a device with no Micro Sd card support, so IMO galaxt tab =Possible Fail.
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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I agree the 8.9 will be a success, but honeycomb still is crap right now.
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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Well the 8.9 will be nice I bet, but with still no SD card support, and it being already confirmed by Samsung that the 8.9 will have cheaper screen, sorry I will still stil with my flyer.
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Well the 8.9 will be nice I bet, but with still no SD card support, and it being already confirmed by Samsung that the 8.9 will have cheaper screen, sorry I will still stil with my flyer.
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Well, I keep reading it will include sd card support. If there's no sd support, I'm just going to buy the eee pad slider when it comes out this summer. If the 8.9 does have sd support, I'll be going with the 8.9, but I'm still going to pick up a flyer today and run it through it's paces. Who knows, I might fall in love with it .
sidenote: Is launcherpro compatible with tablets? If it is, that'll fix the issue of having to stick with the sense launcher
Good day all. I'm a Best Buy Silver member and have 45 day returns on merchandise. Anyways I picked up the Flyer a week ago and compared to the other tabs I have owned or own (Asus, Acer A500 and A100, HP Touchpad) this is the best in terms of overall functions. Another reason why I say that is because 10 inch tabs are over-the-top; especially if they don't have any ports (that's why I kept the Acer A500). I find 7-9 inchers are more usable. This Flyer is smooth and functions properly unlike most of the Honeycomb tabs. My only concern is will HTC update this beautiful beast? So I'm posing the question to the community of whether to ditch the Flyer or wait it out. Also any input or thoughts about the Samsung 7.0 Plus and if its worth the extra $100 are appreciated
I wish HTC would say something offical and it will make my decision clear.
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The Sammy 7plus will have a TFT LCD screen (like Acer A100) not the Super AMOLED or IPS. That should give a pretty poor viewing angle, not up to Sams usual standards and thus much cheaper to build. On the other hand, Sammy has been promising lots of software updates lately.
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The Sammy 7plus will have a TFT LCD screen (like Acer A100) not the Super AMOLED or IPS. That should give a pretty poor viewing angle, not up to Sams usual standards and thus much cheaper to build. On the other hand, Sammy has been promising lots of software updates lately.
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Yea this tablet game is crazy. Sometimes I wish I would have been simple and gotten an iPad. Android is getting ridiculous. Anyways the inferred remote, updates, and Samsung usually has a decent amount of accessories is what's keeping me interested. I just have a bad feeling that the flyer is dead.
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its maddening. HTC built an almost perfect tablet in the FLyer and then overpriced it at introduction and has failed to support it properly now. Makes me wonder if they are exiting the tablet market.
I too am starting to think HTC is calling it quits. Xoom 2 8.2inch where art thou. I would skip the samsung and wait for that. Much like the original xoom it will be nexus like and will get the most recent updates straight from Google. I miss my original xoom but it was just too darn large.
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I too am starting to think HTC is calling it quits. Xoom 2 8.2inch where art thou. I would skip the samsung and wait for that. Much like the original xoom it will be nexus like and will get the most recent updates straight from Google. I miss my original xoom but it was just too darn large.
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I think the Xoom 2 is a 8.2. I perfer the 7 inch, because I played with the Samsung 8 inch but it is tad big. I'm looking for something I can whip out in public and not look ridiculous. I think the Xoom will cost $545 though, didn't they learn anything?
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Ack, I'm conflicted on where to jump into the tablet market. Granted an IPad would play VERY nicely w/my work MacBook & make life a bit easier, HOWEVER, it's large ~sigh~
Looked at the Xoom the other day and, yeah, too big to tote around comfortably so I started leaning toward the Flyer (I'm a huge HTC fan, love rooting my TBolt & Eris prior to that) but it seems like a lot of owners feel disappointed in HTC's (lack of) support for the device.
Maybe they'll go on a sub $200 fire sale if they announce 'no more'
I'm not sure what to get - but I do know that I want the ability to add storage, ie SD, etc., probably want a 7-8" screen with 9-10" being too large and I'd like it to have a good developer base behind it so I can root away and stay the flash addict that I am. Oh and I'd like the screen to be kind on the eyes for book reading & readable outdoors (so that means I need the AMOLED screen I believe?). I also like the $300 price point of this.
What else are you guys using besides the Flyer?
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Ack, I'm conflicted on where to jump into the tablet market. Granted an IPad would play VERY nicely w/my work MacBook & make life a bit easier, HOWEVER, it's large ~sigh~
Looked at the Xoom the other day and, yeah, too big to tote around comfortably so I started leaning toward the Flyer (I'm a huge HTC fan, love rooting my TBolt & Eris prior to that) but it seems like a lot of owners feel disappointed in HTC's (lack of) support for the device.
Maybe they'll go on a sub $200 fire sale if they announce 'no more'
I'm not sure what to get - but I do know that I want the ability to add storage, ie SD, etc., probably want a 7-8" screen with 9-10" being too large and I'd like it to have a good developer base behind it so I can root away and stay the flash addict that I am. Oh and I'd like the screen to be kind on the eyes for book reading & readable outdoors (so that means I need the AMOLED screen I believe?). I also like the $300 price point of this.
What else are you guys using besides the Flyer?
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Acer A500 and Nexus S. I do agree the 10 inch ones are to large for daily use especially in public. At they are cool bit I need something portable.
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Acer A500 and Nexus S. I do agree the 10 inch ones are to large for daily use especially in public. At they are cool bit I need something portable.
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Thank you, but the Nexus S is a phone, isn't it? And, yeah the 10" tab is going to be too large.
I'll have to get to Best Buy and see if they at least have an HTC Flyer on display that I can fiddle with.
I'm trying to make pretty much the same decision. I would rather not be left without an update to ICS. Other than that, the Flyer is looking pretty good. I like the design of it over the Galaxy Tab (though its design isn't horrible either), and it certainly felt snappy enough during my brief use of it in the store. The Tab is $100 more, and I doubt it will drop in the near future (i.e. before the end of the year), since it's a brand new product and Samsung would have a bunch of pissed off early-adopters on their hands. The Flyer, on the other hand, stands to drop in price again, since it's relatively old.
I was also considering the original Galaxy Tab because of the GSM capabilities (would be nice to throw in a pre-paid SIM card just in case), but Samsung failed to include it in the list of devices they're going to upgrade to ICS, and it felt just a tiny bit slow in the store, at least compared to the Flyer.
I am waiting for the day that Asus releases a 7 inch tablet. If they ever do, I will buy it and never look back. They release products that have top notch hardware and the best software and update support in my opinion. If only the transformer or transformer prime were a bit smaller, then they would be perfect for what I want.
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I am waiting for the day that Asus releases a 7 inch tablet. If they ever do, I will buy it and never look back. They release products that have top notch hardware and the best software and update support in my opinion. If only the transformer or transformer prime were a bit smaller, then they would be perfect for what I want.
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They are ok. I have owned 2 Transformers and the build quality was not there. From the hollow back, light bleed, and cracking speakers. That's how I ended up with the Acer is was just solid.
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Yeah I had the Acer A100 for a couple of months. Too bad they skimped so much on the hardware. Terrible display, terrible microphone, poor battery life. The software was fine.
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They are ok. I have owned 2 Transformers and the build quality was not there. From the hollow back, light bleed, and cracking speakers. That's how I ended up with the Acer is was just solid.
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Yeah I had the Acer A100 for a couple of months. Too bad they skimped so much on the hardware. Terrible display, terrible microphone, poor battery life. The software was fine.
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TBH... The Flyer is slow compared to the new Dual Core tablets. however... for 300$ + the added pen functionality it's worth it.
My screen also has a yellow tint... Is that the same as every1 Else's?
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TBH... The Flyer is slow compared to the new Dual Core tablets. however... for 300$ + the added pen functionality it's worth it.
My screen also has a yellow tint... Is that the same as every1 Else's?
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The screen should not be yellow.
Actually at 1.5ghz the flyer is faster in most cases than any tablet out there. Dual core doesn't get you more usable speed in almost every case because few if any apps are designed in a way that can make use of the dual cores and Android only lets one app be foreground at a time. So most of the time a dual core is only using one and its slower than the Flyer.
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The screen should not be yellow.
Actually at 1.5ghz the flyer is faster in most cases than any tablet out there. Dual core doesn't get you more usable speed in almost every case because few if any apps are designed in a way that can make use of the dual cores and Android only lets one app be foreground at a time. So most of the time a dual core is only using one and its slower than the Flyer.
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You are right. I looked at some benchmark test it test better then every HC tab except te Samsung 10.1
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Black Friday will probably yield some good deals, so I'm at least hanging tight for that pricing to come out before jumping on anything - and I think I'm going to sell my Ipod Touch, latest gen, NEVER use it.
Ahhh, eBay (or friends on FB, lol)
I have the flyer and I love it! It's built super solid, its very fast, and I love how it scales apps in contrast to how to Galaxy tab did. On a 7" device I would end up using more phone apps then tablet apps anyway, so I don't care about honeycomb. I love my Flyer! The only thing that may replace it is the Galaxy Note...but then again I may still keep it since its really not worth it to only get $200 used for it. Hell, I'd keep it for that just to lend out or use it as a dedicated clock!
I used to be a active user here on XDA when Wondows mobile was the "cool" Mobile OS. Then I bought a iPod Touch when my father bought into the iPhone 3G. I got sucked into Apple with the 3GS, then the 4. I bought a 64gb 3g iPad when it came out, as well...but then I bought a ATT 3g Galaxy Tab refurbished just to try out android....and fell in love.(it made me feel like I used to with windows mobile...the customization) I kept the TAB for a few months then decided to sell both my iPad and my Tab and buy a iPad wifi for cheap, and a Flyer. I canceled my contract and used my unlimited ipad SIM in my Jailbroken iPhone 4....Loving life($30 a month is my only phone bill!)! That iPhone may be downgraded to a mp3 player though....since I am eye balling the Galaxy Note now.
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I'm trying to make pretty much the same decision. I would rather not be left without an update to ICS. Other than that, the Flyer is looking pretty good. I like the design of it over the Galaxy Tab (though its design isn't horrible either), and it certainly felt snappy enough during my brief use of it in the store. The Tab is $100 more, and I doubt it will drop in the near future (i.e. before the end of the year), since it's a brand new product and Samsung would have a bunch of pissed off early-adopters on their hands. The Flyer, on the other hand, stands to drop in price again, since it's relatively old.
I was also considering the original Galaxy Tab because of the GSM capabilities (would be nice to throw in a pre-paid SIM card just in case), but Samsung failed to include it in the list of devices they're going to upgrade to ICS, and it felt just a tiny bit slow in the store, at least compared to the Flyer.
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I don't think the Plus will drop in price either. The OG TAB is still. 400
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I don't think the Plus will drop in price either. The OG TAB is still. 400
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The WiFi version is $300 on Amazon. But yes, the GSM one that I want is still pretty pricey. If I got the original Tab, though, I'd just pick it up from eBay or the forums or something. Or, maybe it will be on sale during Black Friday, since any retailers that still have them need to clear their inventory to make room for the Plus.
This is a hard decision, to be honest. After doing some more research on the Flyer, it seems that the easiest one to acquire in the States (the WiFi one from Best Buy), is also the one that throws up hurdles for modders, such as the inability to go back to stock from a custom ROM.
Now I'm kind of back at square one, debating between the original Tab, the Tab Plus, the Flyer, the IdeaPad A1, and pending more details and reviews, the Huawei MediaPad.
Now that the flyer is priced somewhere in the range of reasonable. A lot of people are discovering that this is a pretty nice device. It holds up very well considering the fact that the only other tablet around during its development was the original Samsung Galaxy Tab. At some point in the future we will find it outdated. What would you like for the next flyer?
I want to see:
ICS
thinner & lighter
We will see what happens. Acer just announced they are scaling back their touch device efforts both phone and tablet and reducing the staff or moving them to other efforts.
I would like to to
ICS
Increased pen response
64gb internal storage option
source released sooner
ips screen
Wishlist for Flyer:
ICS
I know I know, really long wish list but I'm still hopeful
Dual core CPU is a no brainer.
Suprised you guys left that out!
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Didn't leave it out. Tegra 2 chips suck compared to the single core that the flyer has. Quad core CPU is another story. tak
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Dual core CPU is a no brainer.
Suprised you guys left that out!
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USB host, and a faster chip. Also better pen integration.
Vulcan mind meld link
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Oh, and fully resizeable Sense widgets and the option to set the grid size for the Sense launcher and docks like Launcher Pro or ADW.
I had a chance to play with one at BB. Just loved everythign about it. It felt so nice to hold. Out of all the tablets there, it just hit me right. Are they still making them. BB said no? sure would like t oget one used then if th eprice comes down a tad..
Quad core CPU
"retina" screen, super amoled preferably
System-wide pen support
INTEGRATED pen, like the galaxy note
Camera flash
I wish HTC would start making their devices thinner. Samsung has really stepped up their game lately with their phones and tablets by being thin and having great specs. Touchwiz makes me want to throw up though as I do like Sense to an extent. I think the Jetstream is a good tablet but HTC needs to price their tablets better.
It will be interesting to see the next gen of tablets. Quad-core, ICS, more memory are definitely things to come.
Am I insane for liking the bulkiness of the Flyer/View? I had a Nook Tablet previously and returned that due to the crazy locked-down environment it's in. One of my gripes with it was the form factor, 8.1 x 5.0 " seemed a little to big for me to fit in my pocket and holding it seemed awkward because it was so thin. When I got the View, it felt much sturdier compared to the NT and a Kindle Fire I played with at Target. Maybe it's just a personal preference thing.
I like having a little more to hold onto too. The slightly raised end is a good handhold in landscape, but I would like it on the other side as well.
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Am I insane for liking the bulkiness of the Flyer/View? I had a Nook Tablet previously and returned that due to the crazy locked-down environment it's in. One of my gripes with it was the form factor, 8.1 x 5.0 " seemed a little to big for me to fit in my pocket and holding it seemed awkward because it was so thin. When I got the View, it felt much sturdier compared to the NT and a Kindle Fire I played with at Target. Maybe it's just a personal preference thing.
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You can always add bulk by getting a case or protective skin. No way for some one to take bulk down
Thinner? That doesn't even make sense.
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PS. Get my View in 2 days and stoked!
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We all have flyers and we love them. I have this question. If you root your flyer and then upgrade the os to ICS, jelly bean and beyond. What would it take for you to want to replace it? What would htc have to do in terms of hardware upgrades, besides the obvious one of putting a multi core processor,or maybe adding gorilla glass to make you pull the trigger on the next one? The prospect of a 7" ipad has me intrigued, but even with that I wonder what I would do with my flyer besides make it an alarm clock and then all the apps i would put it , i am back to wanting to carry it with me again. And that has me seriously considering getting another flyer in case I screw the first one up, trying to root it
The next round of tablets will have at least double the screen resolution of the current, so I would probably move to the larger 10" +, except, see my signature below to find out why I probably won't be interested in future tablets even with faster hardware and better screens.
7-8" screen, internal GPS, $200-300 price point and has support longer than launch day. That's all I look for.
Samsung Galaxy Tab and Galaxy S not getting ICS due to Touchwiz bloat.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/23/2657132/samsung-no-ics-upgrade-for-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab
LOL
same excuse as HTC.............
it'd take a lot for me to go above a 7" tablet...i had a 10" and it was simply way too big
thinner and lighter would have me salivating for an upgrade, though i don't yet feel the need to update my tablet as often as my phone...so it may be the next iteration for me, not the ones directly coming up
actually, there are so many things i DON'T need in a tablet that i'd probably be happy with one of the $100 ebay ripoffs, but i'm too much of a consumer to have one...lol
Im still for the most part very happy with my flyer. esp with the advent of custom roms and oc/uv has made this thing just a treat to play around with. I'm also very happy with it's size.. not too huge. not too small... just right
that said. i've def drooled over the htc jetstream. what bothers me is i can't find it in wifi only anywhere and att is the only one selling them that i could find... but alas.. it's only a dual core...
i think i'll wait and go striaght from single core to quad core for my next tablet. i have been keeping my eye on ASUS recently the prime is cool but came out with a lot of bugs. i was also watching the MEMO 370t quad core 7 inch tab thats supposed to be priced around 250.. u get the same 8mp cam as on the prmie.. but no front facing cam.. and that might be a deal breaker for me as i spend a lot of time on skype with friends and family.
so ... my next flyer would idealy be a quad core dual camera wifi gps THE WERKS!
prolly Q3 or Q4 this year is when i'll be really trying compare whats available and whats up and comming and start planning on getting a new tab.
i already have too many devices to play with lol
2x win mobile phones 2x android phones 1x windows phone 2x android tablets 1x iPad 1x iPhone4s
i wanna start doing video reviews so they start sending me free stuff to review ... *dream job
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I think I'll just see what's available when my contract is up in 2013. I've dropped mine a few times so it has some scuffs.
Hardware I'd like a LED flash for the camera. I'm okay with the 5MP camera, but wouldn't mind a 8MP with full HD recording. That being said, HDMI out is a must. Higher screen resolution would be good too. I think the 1024x600 res can be upgraded. Also seeing how the new iPad has Bluetooth 4.0, that would be nice too. & a better standard pouch. The current one is pathetic.
But I'm not attached to my Flyer at the hip. I'd like another HTC, but if they don't have a new 7" tab soon, I'll have to shop somewhere else....
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This.........
Nokia to release a 10" Windows 8 tablet with dual-core Snapdragon S4 in Q4
I know, blasphemous. But I need more productivity.
@ Digital MD... get a pogoplug... you can stream your own stuff to any device you have
@n7 of 9... do you miss the extra screen real estate of the 10" tablet? I was seriously considering getting a jet stream... cause I wanted another toy... and for the extra screen real estate
For Android tablets, I prefer 7-8". Easier to carry around and easier to hold for reading. My 10" tablet is a Windows 7 tablet and I will probably gets Windows 8 tablet end of the year. Yes... more blasphemy.
Edit: right now it would take a lot for me to get rid of my View. I am on stock HC and love the pen interface. I will probably always get the latest and greatest Archos tablet, but right now the View is the one I always carry with me. I also have the data plan for it which is very convenient.
Bluetooth 4.0 would be great.
A better way to output HDMI (The MHL stuff is just added bulk and works intermittently for me).
7 or 8 inch
better resolution
better gpu
continued scribe support/more apps that take advantage of it
less bezel, more screen real estate
built in kickstand?
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We all have flyers and we love them. I have this question. If you root your flyer and then upgrade the os to ICS, jelly bean and beyond. What would it take for you to want to replace it? What would htc have to do in terms of hardware upgrades, besides the obvious one of putting a multi core processor,or maybe adding gorilla glass to make you pull the trigger on the next one? The prospect of a 7" ipad has me intrigued, but even with that I wonder what I would do with my flyer besides make it an alarm clock and then all the apps i would put it , i am back to wanting to carry it with me again. And that has me seriously considering getting another flyer in case I screw the first one up, trying to root it
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They would have to break into my house and fill my current flyer with holes. My girlfriend is looking for a flyer now even. The flyer runs amazingly regardless of the specs so I have no reason to want anything new. No tablets I've played with yet, impressed me the way the flyer did.
for a tablet, and for my personal useage patterns my Flyer is all I need
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for a tablet, and for my personal useage patterns my Flyer is all I need
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Being totally realistic here.. if the flyer or the tf101 don't suit your tablet needs nothing in the tablet world does.
vilasman said:
We all have flyers and we love them. I have this question. If you root your flyer and then upgrade the os to ICS, jelly bean and beyond. What would it take for you to want to replace it? What would htc have to do in terms of hardware upgrades, besides the obvious one of putting a multi core processor,or maybe adding gorilla glass to make you pull the trigger on the next one?
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So far, nothing. The only reason, right now, that I would want to replace my Flyer is because something I did to the Flyer (eg: break it somehow...) I don't want anything larger than 7", I love the pen, and I have no complaints about battery life, screen or OS stability. My previous 7" tablet (cheap Chinese variety) really was a test (to see if 7" would work) and from day one after buying it, I have been on the lookout for a better quality 7" (which took almost 1 1/2 years to come!). Since I've gotten my Flyer, I've not even looked at different tablets...
Not another HTC hardware!
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Not another HTC hardware!
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i'm the opposite...i have zero wish for anything other than HTC devices...every time i've veered i've regretted it
n7of9 said:
i'm the opposite...i have zero wish for anything other than HTC devices...every time i've veered i've regretted it
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I like my samsung captivate.. incredibly flexible when it comes to romming.
I want htc hardware in a phone, the problem is that if I'm going to use a protective case anyway, it defeats the purpose of that high quality metal feeling phone..
I have 3 Tablets:
HTC EVO VIEW 4G (WiFi Only)
WiFi Xoom (GED with ICS)
BlackBerry Playbook (With OS 2.0)
They're all really nice tablets. If you are looking for another nice 7" Tablet then the Playbook is Great for the price ($199). Awesome screen, 1080p Video Recording, HDMI Out, Bluetooth and the OS (QNX) is head & shoulders above IOS & Android. Playbook is really smooth and the Browser is the best Tablet Browser out there (there is only 1 Browser out there that tops it in tests and that is Chrome for Desktops). Apps are coming along.
The sub -$199 Google Nexus tablet.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Goog...-its-cheap-MeMo-tablet-project-for-it_id28153
I absolutely need a tablet with pen functionality, and I'm stuck between the 3 choices above. Appreciate any advice from the community:
HTC Flyer Pros:
Very good aftermarket "hacking" support in term of custom ROM, upgrading OS, etc... I've seen what good this can do, my 2 year old Sprint Epic 4G (running ICS) absolutely defeats all the current generation phones with A9 dual core (but running Gingerbread) in benchmarks
HTC Flyer Cons:
Hardware is two generations out of date (CPU is from the A8 Cortex era)
Thinkpad Tablet Pros:
A9 Cortex era hardware... so only one generation out of date, but the Nvidia Tegra 2 was the worst of the A9 SoC.
Thinkpad Tablet Cons:
Not as vibrant an aftermarket support as the HTC Flyer. I've seen many frustrated posts here on this forum.
HTC Jetstream Pros:
A9 Cortex era hardware... so only one generation out of date, and specs wise better than Nvidia Tegra 2. Best hardware out of the 3
HTC Jetstream Cons:
I think the aftermarket support is dead. No ICS. Only one custom ROM exist.
I can't wait for the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 to launch and it's too pricey for me too. Which tablet would you choose if you were in my shoes?
Don't know the other products but I have an Ipad 3 and I am still amazed by the usability of my Flyer and the pen is just the best.
Maffs, HTC X7500, P510e, Ipad
I love mine flyer couse of versetilitiy that flyer gives (really what does it lack off?). Grat suport by devs and regardles 2 generatins old hardware is stil very good and runs all new stuf smooth. I seen newer tabs runing much worse.
Flyer on GB runs VERY VERY VERY good. Everythgin works and no bugs i seen. ICS atm realy looks promising for us...
But thats just me...
I don't know if I'd consider the First gen dual cores out of date yet. Our flyer maybe, though it has an awesome GPU and a gig of ram to make up for it. The 1ghz SoC's all could of been faster had they just gave them a gig of ram instead of 512. IMO 512 isn't enough.
EDIT ok based on your 3 options and now I know what the ideapad looks like, yeah the flyer is your best bet. Its 7 inches, which is the perfect size, and has a well thought out design. I just looked up the ideapad and its rubbish. The Jetstream is also very nice if you want a 10.1 design.
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Honestly the Jetstream is a pretty cool tab, it literally seems like a Flyer on steroids. Near identical design, with a 3 inch larger screen, a dual LED 8MP camera, and a dual core.
If money is no issue, grab a Samsung series 7 slate, I paid $999 for mines but it came with a $200 gift card, a keyboard, and a dock. I also have a flyer and while it's good for quick notes and sketches, it doesn't beat the power of having windows with onenote installed.
Yeah but he's looking for one with a pen, I don't think the Sammys have pens
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The Samsung Series 7 uses a stylus and also has 10 finger multi-touch. I think the microsoft store has the best deal right now although I got mines cheaper earlier in the year. The new bundle comes with a xbox 360.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/productID.241554200
lol samsung makes too many tablets. galaxy tab, galaxy tab 10.1, 7.0 plus, 7.7, 8.9, galaxy tab 2, and I hear galaxy note tablets are coming too, very confusing from a consumer standpoint.
What is the 7 series, the tab 2's or something entirely different?
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lol samsung makes too many tablets. galaxy tab, galaxy tab 10.1, 7.0 plus, 7.7, 8.9, galaxy tab 2, and I hear galaxy note tablets are coming too, very confusing from a consumer standpoint.
What is the 7 series, the tab 2's or something entirely different?
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Lol they do have too many tabs. The slate is a full blown windows pc that has a i5 and 128gb ssd. I'm running windows 8 on mines and it flies. The flyer is good but it didn't work too well for me with taking long college notes. It worked better for me with making lists and jotting down quick notes. With that being said, I still believe that the flyer is the best 7 inch tab even with the upcoming nexus. I am sort of jealous of the 720p on the nexus but the active digitizer on the flyer is far more useful for me.
To the op, why exactly do you need pen functionality. If you are just trying to take quick notes and nothing professional, I would go with the flyer or jetstream depending on which screen size you prefer. Also, keep in mind that both the flyer and jetstream are integrated with evernote so you will be able to easily sync all your handwritten notes to your phone and pc. On the lenovo, the sketching is done through notes mobile and I'm not sure if it has cloud sync. You can install evernote but it would only support typed notes which defeats the purpose of buying a a stylus tablet. I bring this up because it is important to use a tablet that has some sort of cloud solution for your notes. It would suck to lose all of your notes if you device is stolen or broken. The ultimate note taking system is onenote but you can only get the full experience on a windows pc/slate. If I were you, I would wait a few months and see what happens with all the new windows 8 tablets that will flood the market. Also, the Windows Surface will accept stylus input and is rumored to start at around $600.
Yeah not sure what his pricing needs are, or what he's needs are but being completely unbiased, if pricing isn't a barrier and you need one for business reasons having a full windows pc inside a tablet would be more useful. However if you just want something for quick note taking not sure anything could be better than the flyer as the small size is convenient for holding in one hand, and you can pick them up cheap if you shop around
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