[Q] How to S off my Aria with HBOOT-0.59.0000 - HTC Aria Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

My Aria is S-ON with HBOOT-0.59.0000, How to make it as S-off?
I have rooted it under HTC ROM of 2.1, by unrevoked, last Oct.
I can flash CM ROM, right now running 2.3.3 of CM7.
But i can not change the files in system. using the R.E
And try to use Font changer. it showed. "Nand Locked"
Question: if make is S-OFF. i can fully access the Nand partition, right? If yes how to make is happen. thks team

kingyan0813 said:
My Aria is S-ON with HBOOT-0.59.0000, How to make it as S-off?
I have rooted it under HTC ROM of 2.1, by unrevoked, last Oct.
I can flash CM ROM, right now running 2.3.3 of CM7.
But i can not change the files in system. using the R.E
And try to use Font changer. it showed. "Nand Locked"
Question: if make is S-OFF. i can fully access the Nand partition, right? If yes how to make is happen. thks team
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Here's where you need to start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1159237
You need to unroot and install the AT&T 2.2.2 Rom with HBoot 1.02 then you can use http://revolutionary.io (replaces AlphaRevX in the thread)

Thanks . i will try update to 1.02,then s off
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[Q] 2.07.605.x Backout

I installed 2.07.605 leaked version on my rooted Froyo using hboot, bad mistake on my part, because I did not flash it and the recovery option in hboot does not work for me. I did not read about locking the bootloader method by Shadowmite until afterwards. Does anyone have a method to change the bootloader to an earlier version so that I can obtain root access or revert to Froyo?
I have tried to put fixed bootloader files and the original stock Froyo in PG05IMG files on my SD card to force an update, but that does not work either.
bcarson03 said:
I installed 2.07.605 leaked version on my rooted Froyo using hboot, bad mistake on my part, because I did not flash it and the recovery option in hboot does not work for me. I did not read about locking the bootloader method by Shadowmite until afterwards. Does anyone have a method to change the bootloader to an earlier version so that I can obtain root access or revert to Froyo?
I have tried to put fixed bootloader files and the original stock Froyo in PG05IMG files on my SD card to force an update, but that does not work either.
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So you're saying you are s-on with a working phone on the 2.7.605 build?
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Yes, that is correct.
bcarson03 said:
Yes, that is correct.
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Go to http://revolutionary.io and use their tool. I don't think the old manual root method will work on that build as it is. !!!BUT!!! Be warned: getting back to stock unrooted s-on after using Revolutionary (like for a warranty replacement) is not a simple task at this point in time.
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JBO1018 said:
Go to Revolutionary IO and use their tool. I don't think the old manual root method will work on that build as it is. !!!BUT!!! Be warned: getting back to stock unrooted s-on after using Revolutionary (like for a warranty replacement) is not a simple task at this point in time.
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Can anyone get to Revolutionary web site? I have been trying for hours, but it keeps timing out. It is pingable.
I just got onto it.
bcarson03 said:
Can anyone get to Revolutionary web site? I have been trying for hours, but it keeps timing out. It is pingable.
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I got through and got S-off. I cannot get into recovery to load the su zip file. Any ideas?
I figured it out.

[Q] Htc Dev Legend is Free

You can unlock your htc legend at HTC DEV.
Once the new file is installed and the phone is s-off, how do I re-root the phone?
Exactly! Also my question! They want you to upgrade your Bootloader which will disable you from rooting (all methods I've heard of require old versions Bootloader).
Any solution before we dive into this WONDERFUL UNLOCKED REALM?
Hi, just signed up to HTC dev to see what's going on with bootloader unlock, I started the procedure but told me it wants to delete everything on my phone, bugger that.
This is HTC official root method, it says you can load custom rom's and change the recovery but it is still s-on to protect the radio and sim lock (network).
Now if u are not already rooted then its gonna make it hard, esspecialy to backup, however we still have revolutionary temp root to backup with titanium.
For those already rooted, I'm not sure if there is any advantage, except you can flash custom recovery, we have fakeflash so not much point IMO.
Oh, just realised it gives unrestricted access to /system folder so that might make it worth while after all..
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Do we have to go back to stock before running this or can it be run with a custom ROM installed?
smilingguy07 said:
Do we have to go back to stock before running this or can it be run with a custom ROM installed?
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Good question. I suspect it might only work with unrooted legends.
If that is the case its gonna be a big hassle, but not impossible.
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wow wow wow WOOOW!!! I didn't expected this!!!!! I will unlock my bootloader and install the clockwork recovery ASAP!
For rooted legend you can make a nandroid, install the RUU, install a recovery (the .img recovery from the rom manager site) and restore the nandroid
Do you plan on doing it on yours?
I noticed that there is also a wifi security update out for the legend too,
The bootloader unlock is 3.15.405.5, and the wifi fix is 3.15.405.6, so I guess it has to be in that order or the bootloader unlock wont run.
Good,Now my phone has hboot unlocked, but is there a way to disable the security flag and finally get SOFF now ?
Stevenstrike,
Did you install that update on top of your cm custom rom?
Any problems at all?
No
Just find a HTC stock rom for your legend, then update the rom via OTA if needed, then try to apply the hboot update, after that use the htcsupertoolv3 to gain perm root, and if you want, flash cwm fastboot to access cwm as recovery.
Thanks,
Are you applying their Wifi security fix as well?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497357
smilingguy07 said:
Thanks,
Are you applying their Wifi security fix as well?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497357
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Never heard of that, besides my radio is already 7.13.35.05, so i think i dont have to apply this.
Edit : Link to gain Perm Root http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432074 (link is for wildfire S but also work for Legend)
and link to flash CWM : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1244371&highlight=cwm ( then do a fastboot flash recovery <recoveryFile>.img )
Ah ok, I see that the Bootloader unlock is software version 3.15.405.5, security update is 3.15.405.6, does that make a difference or is it purely the radio that matters?
smilingguy07 said:
Do you plan on doing it on yours?
I noticed that there is also a wifi security update out for the legend too,
The bootloader unlock is 3.15.405.5, and the wifi fix is 3.15.405.6, so I guess it has to be in that order or the bootloader unlock wont run.
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Edit:- Now Hboot 1.02
Not at the moment, I am already rooted & happy with what I have ATM. I can do everything I need via recovery and android commander. Might give it a go at a later date.
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I still says S-ON but you can do anything that requires r/w permission on /system.
Tested with SU update, BusyBox installation, host write with AdAway.
Gees this is complicated, almost as hard and confusing as rooting hboot 1.01 in the first place.
I have downloaded the hboot 1.02 update, I'm wondering if you can just do that on its own on a rooted phone?
I just worry that it might do some real damage if you do, cause I don't think we can go back to 1.01 or other hboot later.
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Sorry your screen shot is too small to see.
cyRq said:
I still says S-ON but you can do anything that requires r/w permission on /system.
Tested with SU update, BusyBox installation, host write with AdAway.
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Yhm...
You've got to click on it and...baaaam! It gets bigger

[Q] Brand New EVO 3D with 1.40 boot! Root help please?

Ok, I have been reading all day and have noticed alot of new Evo 3d's being sold at sprint stores with the 1.40 h-boot. I noticed because I was one of the lucky ones to get one today!
There is alot of information on this forum, almost to a fault, because most of it is for 1.50 h-boot phones. I am pretty new to rooting, so be gentle.
So, here is what I would like to accomplish with my root.
My confusion lies it the area of recovery. I have read a few guides on here and this one seems to be the one I keep coming back to. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1196131&highlight=guide
I know I need to do Revolutionary S-OFF & Recovery tool. Part of this process involves downloading and installing Clockwork Mod Recovery (CMR).
Then the guide tells me to install another recovery, Team Win custom recovery Project (TWRP) + Eng H-boot.
Now, the recovery I would like to use is 4ext Recovery Touch v1.0.0.5. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1560279
So, am I flashing 3 different recovery's? Or, do I just flash the 4ext instead of the CMR/TWRP?
My endgame is to flash MeanROM which is a 2.17.651.5 base firmware. But, my phone has a 2.3.3 firmware on it (kernel 2.6.35.10, build# 1.13.651.7), so I will have to upgrade my firmware to the newer version, correct?
Any help or steps to get me started would be awesome!
TIA
Root that bad boy with unrevoked just Google search it.
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Thanks...
I won't have a prob doing the root, steps seem easy for the actual root process... via revolutionary.
My issue is the recovery I want to use and the steps to get the rom I want going.
Recovery is simple just download twrp or ext4 the info is in the threads bro over by dev section
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mrshades812 said:
I won't have a prob doing the root, steps seem easy for the actual root process... via revolutionary.
My issue is the recovery I want to use and the steps to get the rom I want going.
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You may have to use cwm or TWRP temporarily in order to flash SuperUser to gain root access. The 4ext updater app will flash 4ext for you, I just can't remember if it requires su access but I believe it does. Switching recoveries is easy pezy... Don't sweat it man.
And yes you will want to update tour firmware via BOOTLOADER. Freeza has an all in one firmware update package that works nice.
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thizzlemania91 said:
Recovery is simple just download twrp or ext4 the info is in the threads bro over by dev section
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CWM 4.0 works like a champ
Have a look at Closeone's downgrade tool thread , Post #3 specifically, and start at step 23 since you have Hboot 1.40 & already have fw 1.13.651.7. At the end of it ate some additional resources for 2.17 rooted Roms & the radio update.
Basically run revolutionary for s-off, install any recovery (4ext or cwm 4.0.1.4 recommended), run xhausx's 2.17.651.7 radio only update, format system data & cache (or superwipe), flash MeanRom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24009875
[TOOL][4/14/12] HBOOT Downgrade Toolkit Live CD
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Coolness. Thanks.
Just curious if I need to do this step 2 in that guide... STEP 2. Flash Eng Hboot, Team WIN recovery.
I'm guessing not the TWR, but what about the Eng hboot thing?
Thanks.
mrshades812 said:
Coolness. Thanks.
Just curious if I need to do this step 2 in that guide... STEP 2. Flash Eng Hboot, Team WIN recovery.
I'm guessing not the TWR, but what about the Eng hboot thing?
Thanks.
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In that eng hboot guide you should do up to step 5 to get s-off & cwm recovery v4.0.1.4. Yes, u need HTC drivers & usb debugging enabled.
You don't need eng Hboot, Revolutionary will install a fully working hboot 1.40.0011. You can try that one out later if u need more advanced options.
After the radio update, If you want 4ext Recovery, you have to boot the OS, and install the android app which will install the actual recovery, replacing Cwm if you loaded it when asked by Revolutionary's process.
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Awesome. That helps me out a ton! Thanks!
I'll be flashing here in a few, I'll keep posted on my progress.
Just did revolutionary and cwm recovery and all is good. Did a nand backup and it told me No sd-ext found. Skipping backup of sd-ext.
I'm assuming this is normal... going to flash superuser now... (peed a little)
mrshades812 said:
Just did revolutionary and cwm recovery and all is good. Did a nand backup and it told me No sd-ext found. Skipping backup of sd-ext.
I'm assuming this is normal... going to flash superuser now... (peed a little)
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Yes that is normal. If you have an ext4 partition on your sd that's what the backup is... Uh too much fireball...
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mrshades812 said:
Just did revolutionary and cwm recovery and all is good. Did a nand backup and it told me No sd-ext found. Skipping backup of sd-ext.
I'm assuming this is normal... going to flash superuser now... (peed a little)
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There really isn't a need to flash Su since it's included in MeanRom (you can if you want it included in a backup).
Also see my 2.17 Based Rom Links post for the radio update before meanrom (Listed at the bottom on Closeone's 3rd post)
Ya, I did the SU so I could have a clean stock, rooted nand backup.
Everything went smooth as butter! Phone is running MeanROM and very fast. It is a clean stock rom. I'm diggin' it.
I didn't notice any beats audio menu or any way to see if it's actually there even? Is it just there and ya dont see it? I see dsp manager baked in...
Well, anyways, thanks for all the help! I'm up and running all thanks to the help here!
Peace
Thanks grim! Yes, I did the feeya all in 1 radio update from bootloader. Easy as pie!
mrshades812 said:
Everything went smooth as butter! Phone is running MeanROM and very fast. It is a clean stock rom. I'm diggin' it.
I didn't notice any beats audio menu or any way to see if it's actually there even? Is it just there and ya dont see it? I see dsp manager baked in...
Peace
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It's there when you play music inside the HTC Music app, won't work with Bluetooth though (see recent post in MeanRom thread). Ziggy kernel (default in current meanrom) doesn't have 100% Beats even though most "Beats Features" are a part of the Rom. Chad Goodman's kernel, Anthrax RLS8 Final, has Full beats support (if you can tell the difference).

HELP ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!

I unlocked my bootloader using htc dev and was following this to s-off:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1471246
before the PG86IMG.zip update started, i got a message that the cid is invalid
now the device is stuck on the htc splash screen, please help me asap!!
what should i do!?
should i choose the factory reset option??
Probably your best bet. Generally, if you can get to boot loader and recovery, you aren't too bad off.
i haven't installed any recovery, i can get to the bootloader though
should i install any recovery now using fastboot?
Someone please help, i havent installed any recovery and i am stuck on htc splash screen, bootloader is relocked, please help!
You should read the downgrade thread again... You MUST change th cid before flashing the pg86img... I had the same problem when I done it...
Or you can get the 2.17 stock ruu and run it to get back to stock and start over...
sent from my downgraded hboot 1.50 3vo running ZR3D injected with anthrax... s-off HTC, thanks to the real developers, I now have control of my device again
I changed , it said failed and then success on the next line.....plz help, now wht should i do?
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How should i check if the cid has changed or not??
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Instead of the european PG86IMG.zip given on the downgradin thread, Should i try the stock PG86IMG.zip for my evo 3d ?
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Try the stock 2.17 ruu.exe... Not PG86IMG, then start over... The stock signed PG86IMG.zip might work, but I had to use ruu... Once you get your phone back to 2.17 stock, unlock, change cid, relock, and go from there...
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Stock ruu for my region isnt available, i just have the stock PG86IMG.zip
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vari9 said:
Stock ruu for my region isnt available, i just have the stock PG86IMG.zip
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Then try that
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If i try the stock PG86IMG.zip , and it fails, would it worsen the situatiom and are there any pther method to fix my device if this doesnt work?
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vari9 said:
If i try the stock PG86IMG.zip , and it fails, would it worsen the situatiom and are there any pther method to fix my device if this doesnt work?
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well make sure its a PG86IMG.zip for GSM
and if you run it, your device should work.
yousefak said:
well make sure its a PG86IMG.zip for GSM
and if you run it, your device should work.
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Downloading the stock zip now...So that means, even in future if i have to revert back to stock from custom rom or whenever i am stuck at htc splash screen i just use the stock PG86IMG.zip and go to the bootloader and update? Right? Or is the goldcard required for s-on and s-off both?
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vari9 said:
Downloading the stock zip now...So that means, even in future if i have to revert back to stock from custom rom or whenever i am stuck at htc splash screen i just use the stock PG86IMG.zip and go to the bootloader and update? Right? Or is the goldcard required for s-on and s-off both?
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first sentence is correct.

I think i need to UN S-OFF for # commands?

I could not load what i believe is newer (ICS) roms. My phone would restart after the loading screen. so i did the s-off thing and i could now run ics roms.
now. i need to access the # codes. only one of them works. If i try older roms, including the backup from when i first rooted the phone, it gets to sense, then resets after a second or two.
is this because of S-OFF?
how can i undo the S-OFF so i can put my stock rom back on and access the # codes.
thanks for the help
No its not because of s-off.
What is your current hboot version?
What rom are you using now?
And your backup was ICS or Gingerbread?
If you want to boot a Gingerbread ROM you need to be on older hboot.
What is the code that you want to try?
I guess almost all Gingerbread dialer codes should work on sense based ICS rom.
mnomaanw said:
No its not because of s-off.
What is your current hboot version?
What rom are you using now?
And your backup was ICS or Gingerbread?
If you want to boot a Gingerbread ROM you need to be on older hboot.
What is the code that you want to try?
I guess almost all Gingerbread dialer codes should work on sense based ICS rom.
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hboot is 1.58
iv tried several roms including my original backup.
i believe backup was gingerbread. what the phone came with 2 years ago.
only one of hte codes worked. i dont know which ones specificialy i need
for soem reason they jsut dont work on ics roms
i assumed it was s-off because s-on was what kept me from running ics
What are you trying to do?
birddseedd said:
hboot is 1.58
iv tried several roms including my original backup.
i believe backup was gingerbread. what the phone came with 2 years ago.
only one of hte codes worked. i dont know which ones specificialy i need
for soem reason they jsut dont work on ics roms
i assumed it was s-off because s-on was what kept me from running ics
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You have hboot 1.58, so you have a Sprint evo 3d.. so you need hboot 1.4 or 1.5 or eng hboot or revolutionary hboot or jb 1.50.5050 to boot you gingerbread backup. Just download and try few of these by renaming them to PG86IMG.zip and installing through bootloader. If the backup is almost 2 year old try revolutionary or 1.40 hboot.
And what recovery are you using now? Back then there was no touch recoveries. Only non touch cwm. So the backup is most likely made from that recovery. I don't know whether your current recovery restores it correctly or not.
And what exactly are you trying to do? Most codes work on Sense based ICS roms.
mnomaanw said:
You have hboot 1.58, so you have a Sprint evo 3d.. so you need hboot 1.4 or 1.5 or eng hboot or revolutionary hboot or jb 1.50.5050 to boot you gingerbread backup. Just download and try few of these by renaming them to PG86IMG.zip and installing through bootloader. If the backup is almost 2 year old try revolutionary or 1.40 hboot.
And what recovery are you using now? Back then there was no touch recoveries. Only non touch cwm. So the backup is most likely made from that recovery. I don't know whether your current recovery restores it correctly or not.
And what exactly are you trying to do? Most codes work on Sense based ICS roms.
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I dont know exactly which codes. but i know that only one of them worked.
basically i want to downgrade hboot and turn S-ON. i THINK this is what i need to do to run a gingerbread rom and have access to the # codes i need that wouldnt work on multiple ics roms
If you turn back to s-on you won't be able to downgrade.
But with s-off you can upgeade/downgrade anytime.
Your gingerbread rom will boot on s-off. There are many cases of bricked devices while turning s-off to s-on which can be fixed but there's no reason for you to turn it s-on, is there?
i dont know. s-off is what i had to do when i coudl boot gignerbread and not ics, so im under the assumption that to run gingerbread and not ics i need s-on. if this is not the case then all i need to do is go back to hboot 1.4? can you point me in the direction of downgrading please?
birddseedd said:
i dont know. s-off is what i had to do when i coudl boot gignerbread and not ics, so im under the assumption that to run gingerbread and not ics i need s-on. if this is not the case then all i need to do is go back to hboot 1.4? can you point me in the direction of downgrading please?
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There's a difference between assumption and fact...
When you first did s-off you had a Gingerbread ROM and not ics and it was able to boot.
Currently I am dual booting with one ICS rom and one gingerbread rom and I'm s-off and they both boot perfectly. ON S-OFF GINGERBREAD BOOTS WITHOUT ISSUES.
Download the hboot 1.40.zip from somewhere (cannot attach using phone right now and I'm too lazy to search ramjet73 post ) and rename it to PG86IMG.zip and put it on root of sdcard then reboot into bootloader, let it scan and it will ask to update.. Hit volume up key then power key and it will reboot but before it boots, remove battery as your current ROM is not going to boot on that hboot unless it uses vm kernel. Now remove memory card and delete/rename/move that file from your sdcard using a card reader. Then boot into recovery and restore your backup. Make sure you use the same recovery that you used to make the backup. Only use the HBOOT 1.40 if you have evo 3d from sprint.
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If you dont want to do all these download RUU. Exe file made for your phone from shipped-roms.com and run it and follow the instructions, it will get you to stock rom and will unroot your phone. Your phone will be like new with stock recovery but still s-off. You can still flash custom recoveries and ROMs and hboots later.
that site seems to not have an ruu for me
mnomaanw said:
There's a difference between assumption and fact...
When you first did s-off you had a Gingerbread ROM and not ics and it was able to boot.
Currently I am dual booting with one ICS rom and one gingerbread rom and I'm s-off and they both boot perfectly. ON S-OFF GINGERBREAD BOOTS WITHOUT ISSUES.
Download the hboot 1.40.zip from somewhere (cannot attach using phone right now and I'm too lazy to search ramjet73 post ) and rename it to PG86IMG.zip and put it on root of sdcard then reboot into bootloader, let it scan and it will ask to update.. Hit volume up key then power key and it will reboot but before it boots, remove battery as your current ROM is not going to boot on that hboot unless it uses vm kernel. Now remove memory card and delete/rename/move that file from your sdcard using a card reader. Then boot into recovery and restore your backup. Make sure you use the same recovery that you used to make the backup. Only use the HBOOT 1.40 if you have evo 3d from sprint.
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If you dont want to do all these download RUU. Exe file made for your phone from shipped-roms.com and run it and follow the instructions, it will get you to stock rom and will unroot your phone. Your phone will be like new with stock recovery but still s-off. You can still flash custom recoveries and ROMs and hboots later.
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i cannot seem to find an attached zip
birddseedd said:
that site seems to not have an ruu for me
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Are you sure that you have HTC SHOOTER AKA EVO 3D?
These are RUUs from sprint from 1st to last
1. Gingerbread http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...0.0518_NV_SPCS_1.15_release_193503_signed.exe
2. Gingerbread http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...530_NV_NV_SPCS_1.16_release_198109_signed.exe
3. Gingerbread http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...08_NV_SPCS_1.31_003_release_208230_signed.exe
4. Gingerbread http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...08_NV_SPCS_1.31_003_release_219445_signed.exe
5. Gingerbread http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...216_NV_NV_spcs_1.42_release_233304_signed.exe
6. ICS http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...06__NV_NV_SPCS_1.43_release_271101_signed.exe
These are for sprint evo 3d......And not gsm or virgin.
EDIT : I see you edited it yourself.
yep. that is my phone
ok im confused. i thought that sense and apex were just ui options? i chose sense with a ics rom and now ##3424#. im confsued.
birddseedd said:
ok im confused. i thought that sense and apex were just ui options? i chose sense with a ics rom and now ##3424#. im confsued.
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yes
raptoro07 said:
yes
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grr. that doesnt help. lol. so sense vs apex is more than the ui? it is actualy involved in the core of the os? or do each simply have different dialers?

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