So I am a proud owner of the Thunderbolt now and I am loving this phone a lot. I’ve moved over from the Sprint EVO. I was rooted since day 1 with that phone. I ran CM7… and while my overall phone and speed test were faster than the stock phones in the house… I still seemed to have constant issues… be it from the phone itself or the network.
Of course I can’t leave well enough alone with this phone. I wanted to put Gingerbread on it (it still has 2.2 WTF?!) and I wanted to put Sense 2.1/3.0 on it. So I successfully rooted (WOW that was easy) and installed clockwork recovery. I decided on SHIFTS3NS3 V1.4F as it seems to have exactly what I want (I kind of don’t want to go back to CM7, everyone claims they have no signal issues but I am sure they do, especially when my Sense loaded Evo could get 4G where CM7 could/would not).
So BEFORE I rooted or did anything, I did several speed test throughout my home and work. Smooth scaling and great speeds. After rooting and installing Shifts3ns3, I started running test. My speeds dropped… and now I was seeing “skipping” with the speed test (gets to a point, stops, drops, stutters going back up, drops again, etc). So I get to work this morning and the speed test is doing the same here. I did a nandroid backup of my stock set up last night before I installed the new ROM… restored it this morning… and ran the test at work again… lo and behold I am getting faster speeds and no stuttering.
So perhaps a radio issue? I noticed there are Froyo radios and GB radios (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048128)... When installing the GB ROM does it update the radios? Was I running Froyo radios on a GB rom and is that bad? Should I try upgrading to the latest GB radios and run test again? Does any of this Rom switching/radio switching affect the simultaneous voice and data ability (that’s actually huge for me and the main reason I got this phone)?
I appreciate any help. I’ve been a XDA board reader with EVO since 11-2010… so while everything is familiar to me… this all seems different with the Thunderbolt.
First off I would upgrade to the latest radio. Although these are *beta* radios, they work much better than the stock radios.
Second, after installing the latest radio try, Bamf 2.4.1. Just like you I like staying close to stock, but like extra elements with my ROM. To me Gingeritis is just too far from stock, plus the Carousel home screen is a pain in the ass. Bamf 2.4.1 is just stock with sense 3.0 weather and lockscreen, and without the location icon in the status bar.
Also, my speedtest on Bamf 2.4.1 was a straight shot. No drop offs what so ever.
And, of course this is all just my opinion but I strongly believe that Bamf 2.4.1 is what you want.
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First off I would upgrade to the latest radio. Although these are *beta* radios, they work much better than the stock radios.
Second, after installing the latest radio try, Bamf 2.4.1. Just like you I like staying close to stock, but like extra elements with my ROM. To me Gingeritis is just too far from stock, plus the Carousel home screen is a pain in the ass. Bamf 2.4.1 is just stock with sense 3.0 weather and lockscreen, and without the location icon in the status bar.
Also, my speedtest on Bamf 2.4.1 was a straight shot. No drop offs what so ever.
And, of course this is all just my opinion but I strongly believe that Bamf 2.4.1 is what you want.
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Reading up on their site now
Quick question, since I am on page 10 and not seeing this answer... what is the difference between ADR and non ADR? He mentioned on page one that its "Adrynalyne. Its what I made according to my own wants"... but I am not sure what that means LOL. Only reason I am concerned is that there still seems to be a sense 3.0 lock screen bug that someone said is a known bug and to flash the non ADR version.
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First off I would upgrade to the latest radio. Although these are *beta* radios, they work much better than the stock radios.
Second, after installing the latest radio try, Bamf 2.4.1. Just like you I like staying close to stock, but like extra elements with my ROM. To me Gingeritis is just too far from stock, plus the Carousel home screen is a pain in the ass. Bamf 2.4.1 is just stock with sense 3.0 weather and lockscreen, and without the location icon in the status bar.
Also, my speedtest on Bamf 2.4.1 was a straight shot. No drop offs what so ever.
And, of course this is all just my opinion but I strongly believe that Bamf 2.4.1 is what you want.
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Gingeritis doesn't have a carousel home screen. Gingeritis3D does.
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Quick question, since I am on page 10 and not seeing this answer... what is the difference between ADR and non ADR? He mentioned on page one that its "Adrynalyne. Its what I made according to my own wants"... but I am not sure what that means LOL. Only reason I am concerned is that there still seems to be a sense 3.0 lock screen bug that someone said is a known bug and to flash the non ADR version.
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The ADR version uses elements of sense 3.0 while the normal version is basically stock. You want the adr version.
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So I am a proud owner of the Thunderbolt now and I am loving this phone a lot. I’ve moved over from the Sprint EVO. I was rooted since day 1 with that phone. I ran CM7… and while my overall phone and speed test were faster than the stock phones in the house… I still seemed to have constant issues… be it from the phone itself or the network.
Of course I can’t leave well enough alone with this phone. I wanted to put Gingerbread on it (it still has 2.2 WTF?!) and I wanted to put Sense 2.1/3.0 on it. So I successfully rooted (WOW that was easy) and installed clockwork recovery. I decided on SHIFTS3NS3 V1.4F as it seems to have exactly what I want (I kind of don’t want to go back to CM7, everyone claims they have no signal issues but I am sure they do, especially when my Sense loaded Evo could get 4G where CM7 could/would not).
So BEFORE I rooted or did anything, I did several speed test throughout my home and work. Smooth scaling and great speeds. After rooting and installing Shifts3ns3, I started running test. My speeds dropped… and now I was seeing “skipping” with the speed test (gets to a point, stops, drops, stutters going back up, drops again, etc). So I get to work this morning and the speed test is doing the same here. I did a nandroid backup of my stock set up last night before I installed the new ROM… restored it this morning… and ran the test at work again… lo and behold I am getting faster speeds and no stuttering.
So perhaps a radio issue? I noticed there are Froyo radios and GB radios (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048128)... When installing the GB ROM does it update the radios? Was I running Froyo radios on a GB rom and is that bad? Should I try upgrading to the latest GB radios and run test again? Does any of this Rom switching/radio switching affect the simultaneous voice and data ability (that’s actually huge for me and the main reason I got this phone)?
I appreciate any help. I’ve been a XDA board reader with EVO since 11-2010… so while everything is familiar to me… this all seems different with the Thunderbolt.
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i came from the evo too so welcome. IMO the reason people are having soo many data issues is not from the radios but from the 2.3.5 build that was meant for the nexus s phone. 2.3.4 doesn't have those kinds of problems. just my 2 cents!
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i came from the evo too so welcome. IMO the reason people are having soo many data issues is not from the radios but from the 2.3.5 build that was meant for the nexus s phone. 2.3.4 doesn't have those kinds of problems. just my 2 cents!
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I'm inclined to agree.
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I'm inclined to agree.
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if i could find a decent 2.3.4 aosp build id jump on it. the only thing keeping me from sense is the low volume issues.
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if i could find a decent 2.3.4 aosp build id jump on it. the only thing keeping me from sense is the low volume issues.
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Low volume in call? Geeze... I wish I could turn it down! Gingeritis3D is blaring loud. I never use it more than half way up.
Thanks everyone for the responses!
I guess I am just scared to do anything to mess up my phone. I trouble shot and tinkered with the Evo so much so often.
Right now the phone works. And works great. I just wanna help the battery life some... and remove Verizons bloatware.
It seems the Thunderbolt handles radios differently depending on the build? With the Evo I would just flash a radio and I could bounce around from sense to AOSP, froyo to GB, and it wouldnt matter. The thunderbolt has MR2 radios... Froyo radios... GB radios. So my last question here is... right now I am on stock. If I go to a GB based rom, do I flash the radio first? And if I go back to the stock rom, do I flash the MR2 radios first (my phone updated to 1.70.605.0 while it was being set up in the store) then flash back to stock? Basically do the radios persist throughout the builds and I flash them according to what ROM I am using?
Thanks again.
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Thanks everyone for the responses!
I guess I am just scared to do anything to mess up my phone. I trouble shot and tinkered with the Evo so much so often.
Right now the phone works. And works great. I just wanna help the battery life some... and remove Verizons bloatware.
It seems the Thunderbolt handles radios differently depending on the build? With the Evo I would just flash a radio and I could bounce around from sense to AOSP, froyo to GB, and it wouldnt matter. The thunderbolt has MR2 radios... Froyo radios... GB radios. So my last question here is... right now I am on stock. If I go to a GB based rom, do I flash the radio first? And if I go back to the stock rom, do I flash the MR2 radios first (my phone updated to 1.70.605.0 while it was being set up in the store) then flash back to stock? Basically do the radios persist throughout the builds and I flash them according to what ROM I am using?
Thanks again.
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The latest radio's available will work with all ROM's out right now (Including the latest Froyo ROM's).
If I remember correctly you should be okay to just flash the ROM (No need to flash the new radio as MR2 works with both GB and Froyo).
The Radio's persist through everything except a RUU or PG05IMG.zip flash (Depending on what you are flashing of course).
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The latest radio's available will work with all ROM's out right now (Including the latest Froyo ROM's).
If I remember correctly you should be okay to just flash the ROM (No need to flash the new radio as MR2 works with both GB and Froyo).
The Radio's persist through everything except a RUU or PG05IMG.zip flash (Depending on what you are flashing of course).
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OK so it IS like the Evo then. The radio thread isnt stating that they are Froyo/GB radios... but where the radios got pulled FROM. I was totally reading it wrong.
Thank you for the clarification!
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Okay so i want to update to to the latest radio version, the leaked gingerbread one, but ive heard a lot about random reboots and other problems. what are peoples experience with those? also, im running the latest virusrom and waiting for the new update thats been promised is the radio gonna affect whatever rom im running? and if i change roms could it change the radio or are they totally separate things?
PS- if the leaked radio is too glitchy then which should i update too? (im still on stock 1.16.00.0223r) ive looked through -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13093559&postcount=1 but im really confused. the first looks the newest but ive heard people complain about glitches too. id really rather not flash each one at a time if i dont have too :/ no 4g in my area so its no big deal.
Also thinking about going to das bamf 2.x beta if virusrom isnt updated soon. comments? feedback? anyone try it?
I would look for the radio list and download the 2nd one down on the list, it is a combo of the new with the old and it seems to be working for most.
I ended up going with the first on the list. the newest cdma and lte. no problems so far. Getting better service at school too
I'm on latest MR1 radio with CM7 and it's working fine. Was told by Slayher not to use GB radio yet. If you want to use the GB leak though, you must use leaked radio.
Having trouble with the Radio for GB... i cannot get the phone past the HTC quietly brilliant, I have tried taking the battery out and then restarting but when I boot into recovery it tries to update the radio and then restarts to the quietly brilliant screen
I'm on the GB radio and Gingeritis and I'm having no reboot problems so far.
how do you like gingeritis? ive been considering switching to it or another gb rom but i was hoping to get one with sense 3.0 that new lockscreen looks sweeeeet. does that one have it?
Has anyone had any issues with OTA MR2 that was released this week with Das Bamf 2.1?
Did you try it yet, if yes what probs did you have, if not why are you expecting somebody else to test it for you?
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Did you try it yet, if yes what probs did you have, if not why are you expecting somebody else to test it for you?
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I'm sure he doesn't expect someone to test it for him but he is like me and wants to try it but would rather wait because we know other people are less patient than us and will flash something the second it comes out not caring about spending time "testing" it out and then 20 minutes to restore if things go bad. If I get some free time before I hear if its stable or not I'll try it but I imagine other people have already tested it and their input would be greatly appreciated to save others time and a headache.
I haven't tried it but it should work great. I know it works on Das BAMF 1.8.6 and 3.0, no reason it shouldn't on 2.1. Make a backup, wipe and flash away.
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I did try it and it seems to be working, yet i get strange signal, it appears to be worse in signal strength, but more stable since i haven't had restarts. and the software info screen does not show Kernel section... so i'm curious if i should reinstall 2.1 again or this OTA Radio does not support Kernal that's with 2.1
I spent a good chunk of my Sunday doing my initial root, and making sense of the various classes of ROMs and radios.
I finally got BAMF 1.8.6 with the newest OTA radios from 7/8. Running that, with Launcherpro and tweaking power use settings seems to be faster and is very clean. So happy to have the VZW bloatware off, as well.
Though I know it is not OPs exact question, the 1.8.6 combo works well. Voice quality to my GF's iPhone on AT&T (two huge variables) is more digitized than normal, but I don't know what to attribute that to.
I haven't been keeping up with the latest and greatest. The only reason I'm changing ROMs is I had a crash a couple of weeks ago (some kind of UID issue ??) and had to restore and lost some functionality of my main Gmail account from the device.
Since I have to flash again I thought I'd upgrade. I've been happy with 1.6.3 but don't have Visual VM capability. Due to my job (Airline Flight crew) I turn the phone on and off several times a day. A fast boot would be a plus and great battery life is a must even though I do use the extended battery on occasion.
I use some of the HTC widgets but none of the Sense widgets. I've had some issues with the hotspot dropping my connection (losing 4G coverage completely). I use the hotspot A LOT.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I don't have the luxury of perusing the boards digging up information on all of the ROMs out there.
Thanks!
you could try SHIFTS3NS3 1.3X or Gingeritis 3D 1.0 VIII
both should suit you fine.
It has been a while since you changed ROMs. "Team Bamf" no longer posts on xda. So you might have to google them to find their new site, if you want to stick with their work.
Last time I used Bamf I was on v. 1.8.6 Remix. I liked it a lot because it wasn't a battery hog. From here on out, any rom you use should now require a different radio from the one you were using. A quick search of "1.39.00.0627r, 0.01.69.0625r" should find you the exact file you need (Official MR2 OTA).
This radio will work w/ froyo DasBamf 1.8.6, any Gingerbread based roms (ex. Gingeritis by chingy), or non-HTC Sense roms (CM7.1 RC1.7). Those are just some basic ones I listed off. Many more choices around too.
Thanks for the suggestions. Do I flash the radio first or do the ROM first? Also, what about MR2.5 and the newer radios? I have no idea what the actual functionality or differences are.
I'm not certain of the order of flashing because I don't remember what I did. Perhaps someone else will chime in.
As for the radio, the series of numbers I posted above are the baseband #s for MR2 released by Verizon. "MR 2.5" is actually an old leaked radio; it's not as current. The naming can get sort of confusing if you don't keep up with these forums.
I normally just keep track of the radios by the baseband number or the release date. For example, I'm running a leaked radio (1.48.00.0817r, 0.01.78.0802w_3). 0817 = Aug 17, 0802 = Aug 2. Even though this is supposed to be newer than MR2, I can't tell a difference in performance.
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Here's the list of all the radios out there.
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Thanks for the suggestions. Do I flash the radio first or do the ROM first? Also, what about MR2.5 and the newer radios? I have no idea what the actual functionality or differences are.
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it doesnt matter on the rom/radio order, i normally do rom first(so long as it supports the radio i am currently using), and then radio.
as for radios, the new 802(MR3.5) is great. especially combined with a rom using the new base.
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It has been a while since you changed ROMs. "Team Bamf" no longer posts on xda. So you might have to google them to find their new site, if you want to stick with their work.
Last time I used Bamf I was on v. 1.8.6 Remix. I liked it a lot because it wasn't a battery hog. From here on out, any rom you use should now require a different radio from the one you were using. A quick search of "1.39.00.0627r, 0.01.69.0625r" should find you the exact file you need (Official MR2 OTA).
This radio will work w/ froyo DasBamf 1.8.6, any Gingerbread based roms (ex. Gingeritis by chingy), or non-HTC Sense roms (CM7.1 RC1.7). Those are just some basic ones I listed off. Many more choices around too.
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There is no crime in posting other websites.
http://rootzwiki.com has bamf roms (that you dont need to register for).
I found out the hard way that I needed to flash the radio first, the ROM would not set up properly with the older radio.
I flashed the Shift ROM and the 802 radio. I'm 4:45 since being unplugged and am already down to 50% battery on the standard battery. No real heavy use. Any suggestions? This won't work.
I really like synergy for a sense style rom
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P7M8 said:
I found out the hard way that I needed to flash the radio first, the ROM would not set up properly with the older radio.
I flashed the Shift ROM and the 802 radio. I'm 4:45 since being unplugged and am already down to 50% battery on the standard battery. No real heavy use. Any suggestions? This won't work.
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Try a more modern ROM. That base is OLD and has some issues in itself you're just not going to get around. If you like BAMF, try uberBAMF or the side project Adrynalyne is working on. Much better base, much better battery life.
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Try a more modern ROM. That base is OLD and has some issues in itself you're just not going to get around. If you like BAMF, try uberBAMF or the side project Adrynalyne is working on. Much better base, much better battery life.
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SHIFTS3NS3 1.3X isn't current?
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SHIFTS3NS3 1.3X isn't current?
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That ROM should be. I think I need to start having more Jack Daniels for breakfast. I'm not reading things right today.
I try to keep a handle on sync operations. Mail, social network stuff, and weather.... That weather one is goofy because by default it's set to refresh every time the widget is viewed, which might be every time you use unlock the device. Might want to try a different kernel too.
Just noticed my Hotspot doesn't work. Would that be the radio or the ROM?
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Just noticed my Hotspot doesn't work. Would that be the radio or the ROM?
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That's the ROM. I want to say there's a fix for that, but my brain is short on Jack again and I might be imagining it. Not sure...
try thunderstick gen II...great rom
I just flashed everything on Liquids page for the Thunderbolt Gingerbread 3.0 because after reading lots of comments, people seemed to think it was a good build.
I flashed the rom, then Imoseyon lean kernel, then the MR2 radio linked there.
After doing this I went from full bars and 4g to one bar and really slow 3g.
Using the app Phone Info to try and turn on my 4g radio didn't work because there is no listing for a 4g radio. In fact I now have options for GSM radios and one unknown listing.
Can anyone help me get my full signal strength and 4g back please?
I searched a ton for a couple hours now and couldn't find anything posted that would help me.
baseband version 1.48.00.0906w_1, 0.01.78.0906w_2
The radio is the newest radio just release by VZ. Sounds like you are running an AOSP rom if you are having the option as i had this happen to me once. Try setting it to the unknown setting. Maybe that rom won't work out well for you. Or you could try a sense based and possibly have better results. I would personally start off with flashing an alternate gingerbread radio, then maybe try a different rom. Also might want to have a rom booting up before you try a kernel, that too could be a problem. You did a lot at once so it's kinda hard to pin point the problem.
Ok, I will try another radio from the big list that is stickied.
Setting my phone to unknown just makes my phone lose all signal reception; the bars disappear.
None of the linked radios are working I guess I will try Cyanogenmod...
If you can get cm working using a gingerbread radio and default kernel, i would keep that radio and try liquids rom again not updating the kernel at first. Then if you get satisfactory speeds, etc, backup that, then mess with the kernel. Do it step by step until it works, or you find the problem. One thought, did you have the radio set to cdma only on the last sense rom you tried, or did you have it set to cdma+lte. Along time ago i forgot to reset it from cdma only and couldn't connect to lte on a AOSP till i changed it back.
Hrm, I don't remember exactly what the setting was on my stock Sense ROM. I did like to turn off 4g though to save battery.
I just tried Cyanogen and while it loaded fine, and replaced the kernel, it gave me the same radio problems. I flashed to the radio recommended on the CM7 page.
So should I flash a stock sense rom, enable 4g, then try Cyanogen or Liquids?
I just flashed [ROM][6/30/2011]2.01.605.0- Basic Debloat v2.1.1 and didn't change the radios from the newest GB listing and I regained my 4g and signal strength.
I wonder what is up with my phone and CM7 and Liquid both not able to use 4g?
At least I feel calmer now. I was kinda freaking out there for a little bit...
Did you try CM7 with the stock kernel? Or did you replace it right away? Maybe try a different IMO kernal, a slightly older AOSP to see if it works.
Well, CM7 listed a different kernel than what I had previously installed, so i left it alone.
When I flash to a Sense ROM, everything works fine. AOSP ROMS are giving me trouble when I switch from an "unknown" LTE radio to CDMA in phone info. I immediately lose signal and the radio pretty much is fubar'd.
If i set my phone to 4g in a Sense ROM, then goto CM7 or LGB, it works fine until I try to change the radio. I guess i just need to leave the radio alone in AOSP's.
I am trying out some different ROMS to find the best one that works for me....
I REALLY like LGB though, even with the finicky radio. Perhaps leaving the 4g radio on will be ok for battery life.... I would just really like to get the better part of a day out of it with moderate usage.
Thanks for the replies man, I appreciate it.
Curious to hear from the people that are still s-on and flashed the new ICS leak, how is your phone running? Are there any problems youve run into?
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Curious to hear from the people that are still s-on and flashed the new ICS leak, how is your phone running? Are there any problems youve run into?
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I tried it. Major change was an updated kernel. Reverted back to BAMF 2.1 with the previous kernel, as it didnt play well with the change. I'm just waiting for the roms to either be rebased or the OTA to be released. No radio changes only an updated hboot and a few fixes in the rom itself.
Would you run it over the gb rom the phone comes with as a daily driver?
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Would you run it over the gb rom the phone comes with as a daily driver?
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Mine loves the new radios, so yes. For most users; they have experienced issues with the radios. My suggestion; s-off before flashing either the old or new leak. That way if you do experience said issues, you will be able to rollback. Also, brings up the thought of being OTA compliant, but that shouldn't matter much as most of the devs here would hve a working rom based off the OTA shortly after.
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Would you run it over the gb rom the phone comes with as a daily driver?
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Quite honestly, I don't notice a difference one way or another. This leak was played better with my phone regarding mounting and recovery issues I had on the first ICS leak, but that is more an individual issue I had. As far as signal and reception , I think it is just the fact where I live all of the radios have been the same for me. I am in a rural area of wisconsin with just 3G, so haven't benefitted from 4g or difference in signal strength.
In my opinion, it's easier to s off than to flash the new firmware using the s on method and relocking bootloader and then upgrading then reunlocking and installing recovery and a rooted rom. Also, I've helped about the same amount of people with both. For some crazy reason even though the software seems a breeze to me, people get confused with so many steps I guess, and people who are performing s off and ask me to watch over their shoulder are having much better results than upgrading the firmware.