I'm curious if any of the ROMs currently under development will be completely vanilla/stock Android ROMs. Reason being, even with the Eclipse ROM for instance, there are lots of Motorola processes running in the background that are difficult to freeze as they can make the phone unstable. Using Gemini to prevent them from autostarting also is met with mixed results. One example is the "battery and data manager" process. Much research I have conducted using apps such as BetterBatteryStats and AlarmDumper have pointed me to these Motorola apps as the ones causing battery drain and I simply want to be rid of them.
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I'm curious if any of the ROMs currently under development will be completely vanilla/stock Android ROMs. Reason being, even with the Eclipse ROM for instance, there are lots of Motorola processes running in the background that are difficult to freeze as they can make the phone unstable. Using Gemini to prevent them from autostarting also is met with mixed results. One example is the "battery and data manager" process. Much research I have conducted using apps such as BetterBatteryStats and AlarmDumper have pointed me to these Motorola apps as the ones causing battery drain and I simply want to be rid of them.
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Totally agree. Kill all motoblur. The only thing I want on my phone from motorola is their logo... and personally, I could go without that.
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I'm curious if any of the ROMs currently under development will be completely vanilla/stock Android ROMs. Reason being, even with the Eclipse ROM for instance, there are lots of Motorola processes running in the background that are difficult to freeze as they can make the phone unstable. Using Gemini to prevent them from autostarting also is met with mixed results. One example is the "battery and data manager" process. Much research I have conducted using apps such as BetterBatteryStats and AlarmDumper have pointed me to these Motorola apps as the ones causing battery drain and I simply want to be rid of them.
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Nitro(dev for eclipse) has been working on a blurless rom, he actually has a test zip for download on another forum complete no blur tho theres still a few bugs to be worked out but the test zip is there for download
I am running Nitro's test build and it's awesome! There are a good 50 less app elements in the OS compared with Eclipse and 100 less than GB. I have 275 MB free and get over 3000 on quadrant. The main bug is the market one: you can't install from the market. Just back up all your apps with TiBu and you won't have any problems.
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I am running Nitro's test build and it's awesome! There are a good 50 less app elements in the OS compared with Eclipse and 100 less than GB. I have 275 MB free and get over 3000 on quadrant. The main bug is the market one: you can't install from the market. Just back up all your apps with TiBu and you won't have any problems.
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What did you get in quadrant on .5? I was get around 2900 on the .2's but then in .5 im getting around 2100, phone is still blazing fast, but not sure if I want to lower quadrant even more.
I don't know why people go off of Quadrant. It varies so much. On 0.5 Eclipse I would get between 2500-2800 even though all I was doing was rebooting the phone. One 5 reboots and doing nothing else the score would vary between 2500 up to the mid 2800s.
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I don't know why people go off of Quadrant. It varies so much. On 0.5 Eclipse I would get between 2500-2800 even though all I was doing was rebooting the phone. One 5 reboots and doing nothing else the score would vary between 2500 up to the mid 2800s.
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They go off quadrant because they think that a quadrant score is cool and it helps them sleep at night. Other than that, quadrant is pointless...
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They go off quadrant because they think that a quadrant score is cool and it helps them sleep at night. Other than that, quadrant is pointless...
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Oh yeah? Well my quadrant score can beat up your quadrant score with two eyes tied behind his back! So bring it...
Ah yes... it's fun watching them grow up isn't it?
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?4620-ROM-Eclipse-Gingerbread-No-Blur
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They go off quadrant because they think that a quadrant score is cool and it helps them sleep at night. Other than that, quadrant is pointless...
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There's a thread in the apps&games forum for a quadrant booster. I grabbed the apk from it & my average score went from 2500 to 4100
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My best quadrants on 0.5 were just under 2900.
I know that quadrant scores are pretty much pointless just like dynos on cars but it does at least allow you to create some kind of benchmark for yourself so you can see if your tweaks are improving the numbers or not.
I'm a car Guy so I look at it this way: my car has 300 horsepower. If I tweak it and it shows 350 horsepower, did I improve it measurably? Now do I really know or care how powerful a horse actually is? Are all horses equally powerful? No, but it is a decent measuring tool of my car's performance
(P.s. I know that horsepower is a function of torque. It's just an illustration.)
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I am running Nitro's test build and it's awesome! There are a good 50 less app elements in the OS compared with Eclipse and 100 less than GB. I have 275 MB free and get over 3000 on quadrant. The main bug is the market one: you can't install from the market. Just back up all your apps with TiBu and you won't have any problems.
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Where could one download this?
EDIT: Nevermind. I should have looked more.
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Does anyone feel like posting their benchmarks on the custom ROMs they are running? I know not every GTab will run the same but I would like to get a basic idea of what the hottest scores are. Thanks.
TNT Lite 4.3.x with stock kernel is ~40 fps (Nenamark) and ~2300 in Quadrant. On average.
There are definitely higher scores than that, with some of the other modded ROMs.
2200 with vegan 5.11 Benchmark Atuntu
Thank you guys for posting your benches. I had seen some one some where, posting that they get 60fps. Any one getting 60fps?
there is guide in dev forum where you can get up to 77fps, but the recomended is under 75.
You might mean the frame rate. The default is 50, but TNT Lite and gADAM up the frame rate to 60. At least one mod ups it to 77.
That's not really a benchmark, though - I assumed you meant something like Quadrant.
Im running caulkins rom and clemsyn's kernel #6. I'm averaging around 2400 on quadrant and 3000 on smartbench. The only thing faster on smartbench is overclocked xoom
It looks like most of the new ROMs run pretty fast. If i can get 2200-2500 in Quadrant I will be happy.
I get a little over 3000 qudrant
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I get a little over 3000 qudrant
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what ROM/mods you are running?
i got several scores in the 2400s today and one personal best of 2518.
@johnboyjr
Are you bull****'n? 3000? i havent seen anyone say they are hitting the 3000 mark. I'd like to know what you're running too. Did you overclock? I dont think i want to overclock mine.
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Im running caulkins rom and clemsyn's kernel #6. I'm averaging around 2400 on quadrant and 3000 on smartbench. The only thing faster on smartbench is overclocked xoom
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I have the same setup on my gtab... got 39.1 fps in nenamark, and 2399 in quadrant.
I just set my gtab up today so it doesn't have much on it yet.
There is a post in the development section by chengu that has a loopback fix that enhances read/write speeds on the internal SD. This makes the I/O part of quadrant way faster. I have posted on that thread vegan stock 10x average is 2500+. With the loopback fix its a 10x average of 3100 with peaks of 3333. So no its not BS but really how much do quadrant (or any other test) effect daily functionality.? It is great for bragging rights though, especially to xoomers.
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There is a post in the development section by chengu that has a loopback fix that enhances read/write speeds on the internal SD. This makes the I/O part of quadrant way faster. I have posted on that thread vegan stock 10x average is 2500+. With the loopback fix its a 10x average of 3100 with peaks of 3333. So no its not BS but really how much do quadrant (or any other test) effect daily functionality.? It is great for bragging rights though, especially to xoomers.
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Mantara, do you still have the link for loopback fix? I could not find it .
Thanks a lot in advance.
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Mantara, do you still have the link for loopback fix? I could not find it .
Thanks a lot in advance.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902426
Fyi: restart your tab 5 or six times, I know I sounds weird but it takes that many to streamline it completely. Let it stabilize after boot and then power down, wait 20 sectonds and and power on. It wil take up to six minutes on first boot and get less each time.
It uses boot time to write changes.
Have fun ;-)
loopback fix like others have said
Is there any down fall to using the loop back fix? Heat issues or failure? Why isnt anyone implementing this into their ROMs?
No adverse side effects that I have noticed. Most people have noticed a slight increese in playing video from internal memory and web browsing cashed sights. Read the thread its full of good info.
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Ok, so I just ran a linpack benchmark on my Aria and got the result of 8.903. I decided to save it since that was the highest I got. I went on the greencomputing website to see the best results for the Aria and the highest one was 32.62 mflops. I wonder if that is even possible on the Aria? If so, how do I get that rom/kernel which gets my that amount of speed. the guy had a dell streak rom and was clocked to 998.4 mHz. here is the link --- http://www.greenecomputing.com/apps/linpack/linpack-by-device/
just scroll down to HTC Aria/Liberty.
btw, I am running CM7 on my Aria.
Why do you want that much speed? 806 is fine. Speeds that high would toast the processor. And the phone would get hot so fast.
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Why do you want that much speed? 806 is fine. Speeds that high would toast the processor. And the phone would get hot so fast.
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I know but I'm just wondering how that guy even got his phone to fully boot up at that processor speed. Also, I am wondering if his phone exploded after that. Really, How is that speed even possible? Also, if you look at other results in that list, you will see that people got it to work on 864 which is impossible for the CM7 kernel. So that really makes you wonder how...
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I know but I'm just wondering how that guy even got his phone to fully boot up at that processor speed. Also, I am wondering if his phone exploded after that. Really, How is that speed even possible? Also, if you look at other results in that list, you will see that people got it to work on 864 which is impossible for the CM7 kernel. So that really makes you wonder how...
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Doesn't really make me wonder... Here's the deal, that guy (or girl) has a hobby. His hobby is seeing how high he can get linpack for android to run. To accomplish this he can go about it one of two ways.
Either he took apart his aria, overclocked the hell out of it, added additional cooling and custom built an optimized kernel for 1 purpose - running linpack for android while unstable. (it's not a phone anymore)
A more logical approach would be to run linpack in an emulator, and spoof linpack into thinking it's running on an aria.
Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.
He must of got into that girls pants he was trying to impress by having a super overclocked aria
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Works every time. ^^
LOL gotcha
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wow..amazing what a dedicated person
Hi there. Why am i getting only about 1000 quadrant score, while everyone getting somewhat like 1500 on the same roms?
Do i have a different hardware or what?
Different roms will get you different results. Gingerbread roms appear to run around 1000+ while Froyo roms run closer to 1300+. Run it a few times and you should get a better score. Quadrant doesn't really matter too much though. What's important is how the phone feels for you not what a graphic tells you.
Thanks for reply, but the problem is that i'm having different results than people on the same rom.
And does the quadrant score affects on how smooth the games are running?
Do you have a lot of apps installed on your internal memory? The "cleaner" the phone is the more optimized. Junk apps will definitely decrease performance. As for running games, quadrant doesn't affect how smooth your game is running but does show performance measures that could be related to efficiencies of your phone. Theoretically, the higher the quadrant score the better your phone will be at running your games.
What file system are you using...quadrant takes your free space for apps in score consideration..
If your using data2sd and have 2gb for internal(ext2,3,4) then quadrant is going to show a better score than those on rfs.
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Do you have a lot of apps installed on your internal memory?
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No, i have taken stats from fresh install, also tried different roms, but never got higher than 1000.
rudolf895
No, i am not using data2sd and i guess those people who get higher score than me not using it too.
Build.prop
Need to edit.
refer to reinderro's build thread, which I can't find now.
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No, i am not using data2sd and i guess those people who get higher score than me not using it too.
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Oh ok..
But my point was having lesser apps and having more. Internal space will increase the quadrant..
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Which rom(s) are you using?
FYI - Fresh install of 2.1 will only get you around 500. JIT enabled gets you around 600+, removing additional junk apps will get you 700+. 2.2 Roms will get you over 1000+ easily. Z's Froyo beta 3 got me around 1500+. Others including Gingerbread hover around 900-1300.
I have tried CM7.0.3 J020c and trip's froyo.
In both roms my quadrant is about 1000, but for other people trip's rom giving them about 1400-1500.
I am on wolfbreaks rom..(as per my signature)
The only other thing i do is move all aps to the sd card that can be moved and leave the ones with widgets on my internal memory.
I average about 1450 to 1550 with my best score of 1609.
Run it a few times as well..
On J's rom I run around 900-1200. Never tried running quadrant on Trip's froyo but on his Arc rom I get around 1000-1250. Again, quadrant isn't that big of a deal. Your games will run fine on your phone. Remember, try to have more free internal memory and get rid of junk apps you don't need.
on wolfbreaks rom. i move all apps to the sd card (except widgets)
1300 - 1400
Okay, thank you, guys, quadrant isn't important, but it's kinda wierd that i'm having lower stats than other people.
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Okay, thank you, guys, quadrant isn't important, but it's kinda wierd that i'm having lower stats than other people.
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Its not weird at all. Everyone has different apps and settings which affect benchmarks differently. Higher Quadrant scores don't neccessarily translate to better performance either so why does it matter. Also in order to get reliable scores in quadrant you need to run it twice in a row as the OS will kill apps and adjust as the test runs the first time and the second test is always higher and more consistent.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
As by the title, I get a low score on CleanROM 3.7 based on ICS 4.0.3. My result is just 1700. I haven't found any benchmark result based on this rom but I know that stock should get at least 2400-2600.
Has anybody benchmarked on CleanROM?
Why does it matter? Bragging rights, or pissing contest?
Actually the score doesn't really matter but I've noticed a slowdown after flashing CleanROM.
Haven't noticed any lag at all.
Have you benchmarked quadrant? Also, the slowdown is more noticeable when scrolling menus and some heavy designed websites.
I don't know why people bother with Quadrant, it doesn't work correctly on dual-core phones anyway.
Actually don't really bother on it. But, as I said started to be doubtful of some lags compared to the stock rom and I used quadrant just to create an idea if this was really the case.
By the way. Ver 2.0 is optimized for multicore phones.
Quadrant is a terrible benchmark.
Use Antutu.
Tryied Antutu and got 3387. Checked a bit around and found that a score of 5000-6000 should be normal.
Ok, rerun antutu after restarting the phone and got around 6200. What really bothers me is that even after killing all task and running any benchmark, I notice that scores are usually noticeable lower than on a first run after restarting. And more important, the phone is slower. Seems like services are still running and using available resources.
I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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Don't ever, ever, ever use task killers on anything past Froyo.
They harm the phone and do not do anything, it's all placebo that it does.
There's countless threads about it.
Delete it.
Done. Thank's for informing. Now I'm asking myself why they are still some of the most downloaded apps on the market when 90% of Android are on GB and up.
Because a friend of friend told them long ago to get it.
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Imo the only benches I care about are GPU benches. Quadrant is utter garbage, remove it and do yourself a favor. Nenamark 1 / Nenamark 2 for GPU benching is nice.
well, scrosler puts fastboot in his rom, which kills all running tasks that are not core.
Myself, I'll occasional open System panel app if the phone is acting up. Very occasionally.
On cleanrom I haven't noticed any slowdows.