Hi there. Why am i getting only about 1000 quadrant score, while everyone getting somewhat like 1500 on the same roms?
Do i have a different hardware or what?
Different roms will get you different results. Gingerbread roms appear to run around 1000+ while Froyo roms run closer to 1300+. Run it a few times and you should get a better score. Quadrant doesn't really matter too much though. What's important is how the phone feels for you not what a graphic tells you.
Thanks for reply, but the problem is that i'm having different results than people on the same rom.
And does the quadrant score affects on how smooth the games are running?
Do you have a lot of apps installed on your internal memory? The "cleaner" the phone is the more optimized. Junk apps will definitely decrease performance. As for running games, quadrant doesn't affect how smooth your game is running but does show performance measures that could be related to efficiencies of your phone. Theoretically, the higher the quadrant score the better your phone will be at running your games.
What file system are you using...quadrant takes your free space for apps in score consideration..
If your using data2sd and have 2gb for internal(ext2,3,4) then quadrant is going to show a better score than those on rfs.
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Do you have a lot of apps installed on your internal memory?
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No, i have taken stats from fresh install, also tried different roms, but never got higher than 1000.
rudolf895
No, i am not using data2sd and i guess those people who get higher score than me not using it too.
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Need to edit.
refer to reinderro's build thread, which I can't find now.
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No, i am not using data2sd and i guess those people who get higher score than me not using it too.
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Oh ok..
But my point was having lesser apps and having more. Internal space will increase the quadrant..
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Which rom(s) are you using?
FYI - Fresh install of 2.1 will only get you around 500. JIT enabled gets you around 600+, removing additional junk apps will get you 700+. 2.2 Roms will get you over 1000+ easily. Z's Froyo beta 3 got me around 1500+. Others including Gingerbread hover around 900-1300.
I have tried CM7.0.3 J020c and trip's froyo.
In both roms my quadrant is about 1000, but for other people trip's rom giving them about 1400-1500.
I am on wolfbreaks rom..(as per my signature)
The only other thing i do is move all aps to the sd card that can be moved and leave the ones with widgets on my internal memory.
I average about 1450 to 1550 with my best score of 1609.
Run it a few times as well..
On J's rom I run around 900-1200. Never tried running quadrant on Trip's froyo but on his Arc rom I get around 1000-1250. Again, quadrant isn't that big of a deal. Your games will run fine on your phone. Remember, try to have more free internal memory and get rid of junk apps you don't need.
on wolfbreaks rom. i move all apps to the sd card (except widgets)
1300 - 1400
Okay, thank you, guys, quadrant isn't important, but it's kinda wierd that i'm having lower stats than other people.
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Okay, thank you, guys, quadrant isn't important, but it's kinda wierd that i'm having lower stats than other people.
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Its not weird at all. Everyone has different apps and settings which affect benchmarks differently. Higher Quadrant scores don't neccessarily translate to better performance either so why does it matter. Also in order to get reliable scores in quadrant you need to run it twice in a row as the OS will kill apps and adjust as the test runs the first time and the second test is always higher and more consistent.
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So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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So I've gotten anywhere between 2.5 to 5.1 MFLOPS using various ROMS and have yet to be able to notice something incredibly different.
710...768...806 - What does it matter? What program other than Linpack shows a sizable difference? Sure, maybe things open quicker? What am I missing here?
I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS.
MFLOPS mean jack when there is little way to observe the difference.
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Linpack MFLOPS - measures the floating point performance of your phone.
710...768...806 - refers to CPU frequencies
increasing the CPU frequency should equate to better general-case performance, including things opening quicker as you mention, but also other types of general snappiness like moving between screens and so forth.
"I read all this about achieving high MFLOPS and OC Kernels yet I still can't achieve smooth game play on 16 bit emulator on my phone with 5 MFLOPS." - This may have less to do with the performance of your phone and more to do with the emulator itself. Emulation is a surprisingly CPU intensive operation, especially if the emulater isn't well written. Rather than looking a ton into overclocking and JIT, etc, maybe you ought to look for a better piece of software.
Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
Carreno43 said:
Yea,
I've tested most emulators. Wish there was an Atari emulator!
Thanks for the response.
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I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
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I have run roms with 5.1 MFLOPS and now am running a rom that gets 3. I can honestly say I see no difference.
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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I can see a difference... in battery life! Lolz
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Haha Awesome
it looks like to me that everyone is look at the wrong things.
for example:
I am running a Tom that is getting on a average of 4.9 mflops.
I get smoother screen changes....
streaming videos online is so much faster compared to a 3.0 mflop rom. ...
tubetube and other....... websites.
to me everything I do is faster...
I.don't play game on my phone so I don't know how that is.... but everythng else I do is very much faster.
I love high mflop roms...
I have notice about mflops is that it matters about the kernal that u use.
Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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Isn't it true that the MSM7201 in our phones is already overclocked to get to 528mhz as it is? I see a lot of different places saying Qualcomm chips in general are just not worth overclocking... and since our chip is factory overclocked to begin with... just seems like we're pushing the already-pushed here. But the way this board goes crazy for overclocking... it's contradictory. I don't know what to think, cause I've run Linpack myself and gotten ~4.9 with JIT + OC versus ~2.5 without... but I'm with the OP on this one... only difference I'm seeing is my battery draining faster and my phone getting physically hotter.
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I have OC and JIT and getting about 5.1 mflops and haven't had worse battery life or a hotter phone. It could be the battery I'm using but meh (got a replacement one that's 2000 mAh) but I got worse battery life on leak 2.1 than with the rom I'm using now that has OC, JIT, LWP, etc. I can go about 8 hours with heavy texting, moderate internet usage and my lwp's running and it only goes to about 65%
so OC and Jit don't make that big of a difference in gameplay?
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What the OP and all the respondents are noting is frankly quite typical of what happens when performance tuning focuses on a single benchmark: the results obtained are essentially meaningless for different kinds of activities on the same device.
That's because there's a whole chain of dependencies that are specific to a given task, any number of which could become the rate-limiting factor; and a different task on the device will have a different set of dependencies and therefore different rate-limiting behaviors.
For instance, let's take writing to an SD card as an example: there's really no way that OC'ing will speed that up in a measurable way - because the CPU isn't the rate limiting factor.
That Linpack benchmark measures floating-point performance using a software library (as the Eris has no hardware FP capability). Most of the apps on the phone do very little FP work at all. But, it's not a bad test of CPU speed, because it performs no I/O. It also may not be very memory bandwidth intensive, either (if the problems it works on stays in the uP cache and there are few page faults).
OTOH, a game emulator needs to write to the graphics display (at a minimum) and possibly also do read I/O from flash.
Different task, different results. Sometimes things can be improved by hardware or firmware; sometimes the software itself needs to be improved.
bftb0
im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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im sorry, but could you just answer in plain english
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Lima beans bad.
Pork good.
Slow phone bad.
Fast phone good.
bftb0
Thanks for my laugh of the day on that one.
What I'm trying to get at is -
I should be able to play, at the basic level, Sonic or Mario - Without issues.
At the very least
I prefer roms over market games any day (Sonic, Mario, Zelda, DK-Country) and it cripples the phone, at least in my view, that I cannot enjoy the fruits of old games.
Although, I was able to find some old Atari games - which, thankfully, work without stuttering.
Does anyone feel like posting their benchmarks on the custom ROMs they are running? I know not every GTab will run the same but I would like to get a basic idea of what the hottest scores are. Thanks.
TNT Lite 4.3.x with stock kernel is ~40 fps (Nenamark) and ~2300 in Quadrant. On average.
There are definitely higher scores than that, with some of the other modded ROMs.
2200 with vegan 5.11 Benchmark Atuntu
Thank you guys for posting your benches. I had seen some one some where, posting that they get 60fps. Any one getting 60fps?
there is guide in dev forum where you can get up to 77fps, but the recomended is under 75.
You might mean the frame rate. The default is 50, but TNT Lite and gADAM up the frame rate to 60. At least one mod ups it to 77.
That's not really a benchmark, though - I assumed you meant something like Quadrant.
Im running caulkins rom and clemsyn's kernel #6. I'm averaging around 2400 on quadrant and 3000 on smartbench. The only thing faster on smartbench is overclocked xoom
It looks like most of the new ROMs run pretty fast. If i can get 2200-2500 in Quadrant I will be happy.
I get a little over 3000 qudrant
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I get a little over 3000 qudrant
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what ROM/mods you are running?
i got several scores in the 2400s today and one personal best of 2518.
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Are you bull****'n? 3000? i havent seen anyone say they are hitting the 3000 mark. I'd like to know what you're running too. Did you overclock? I dont think i want to overclock mine.
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Im running caulkins rom and clemsyn's kernel #6. I'm averaging around 2400 on quadrant and 3000 on smartbench. The only thing faster on smartbench is overclocked xoom
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I have the same setup on my gtab... got 39.1 fps in nenamark, and 2399 in quadrant.
I just set my gtab up today so it doesn't have much on it yet.
There is a post in the development section by chengu that has a loopback fix that enhances read/write speeds on the internal SD. This makes the I/O part of quadrant way faster. I have posted on that thread vegan stock 10x average is 2500+. With the loopback fix its a 10x average of 3100 with peaks of 3333. So no its not BS but really how much do quadrant (or any other test) effect daily functionality.? It is great for bragging rights though, especially to xoomers.
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There is a post in the development section by chengu that has a loopback fix that enhances read/write speeds on the internal SD. This makes the I/O part of quadrant way faster. I have posted on that thread vegan stock 10x average is 2500+. With the loopback fix its a 10x average of 3100 with peaks of 3333. So no its not BS but really how much do quadrant (or any other test) effect daily functionality.? It is great for bragging rights though, especially to xoomers.
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Mantara, do you still have the link for loopback fix? I could not find it .
Thanks a lot in advance.
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Mantara, do you still have the link for loopback fix? I could not find it .
Thanks a lot in advance.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=902426
Fyi: restart your tab 5 or six times, I know I sounds weird but it takes that many to streamline it completely. Let it stabilize after boot and then power down, wait 20 sectonds and and power on. It wil take up to six minutes on first boot and get less each time.
It uses boot time to write changes.
Have fun ;-)
loopback fix like others have said
Is there any down fall to using the loop back fix? Heat issues or failure? Why isnt anyone implementing this into their ROMs?
No adverse side effects that I have noticed. Most people have noticed a slight increese in playing video from internal memory and web browsing cashed sights. Read the thread its full of good info.
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I'm curious if any of the ROMs currently under development will be completely vanilla/stock Android ROMs. Reason being, even with the Eclipse ROM for instance, there are lots of Motorola processes running in the background that are difficult to freeze as they can make the phone unstable. Using Gemini to prevent them from autostarting also is met with mixed results. One example is the "battery and data manager" process. Much research I have conducted using apps such as BetterBatteryStats and AlarmDumper have pointed me to these Motorola apps as the ones causing battery drain and I simply want to be rid of them.
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I'm curious if any of the ROMs currently under development will be completely vanilla/stock Android ROMs. Reason being, even with the Eclipse ROM for instance, there are lots of Motorola processes running in the background that are difficult to freeze as they can make the phone unstable. Using Gemini to prevent them from autostarting also is met with mixed results. One example is the "battery and data manager" process. Much research I have conducted using apps such as BetterBatteryStats and AlarmDumper have pointed me to these Motorola apps as the ones causing battery drain and I simply want to be rid of them.
Eric
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Totally agree. Kill all motoblur. The only thing I want on my phone from motorola is their logo... and personally, I could go without that.
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I'm curious if any of the ROMs currently under development will be completely vanilla/stock Android ROMs. Reason being, even with the Eclipse ROM for instance, there are lots of Motorola processes running in the background that are difficult to freeze as they can make the phone unstable. Using Gemini to prevent them from autostarting also is met with mixed results. One example is the "battery and data manager" process. Much research I have conducted using apps such as BetterBatteryStats and AlarmDumper have pointed me to these Motorola apps as the ones causing battery drain and I simply want to be rid of them.
Eric
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Nitro(dev for eclipse) has been working on a blurless rom, he actually has a test zip for download on another forum complete no blur tho theres still a few bugs to be worked out but the test zip is there for download
I am running Nitro's test build and it's awesome! There are a good 50 less app elements in the OS compared with Eclipse and 100 less than GB. I have 275 MB free and get over 3000 on quadrant. The main bug is the market one: you can't install from the market. Just back up all your apps with TiBu and you won't have any problems.
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I am running Nitro's test build and it's awesome! There are a good 50 less app elements in the OS compared with Eclipse and 100 less than GB. I have 275 MB free and get over 3000 on quadrant. The main bug is the market one: you can't install from the market. Just back up all your apps with TiBu and you won't have any problems.
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What did you get in quadrant on .5? I was get around 2900 on the .2's but then in .5 im getting around 2100, phone is still blazing fast, but not sure if I want to lower quadrant even more.
I don't know why people go off of Quadrant. It varies so much. On 0.5 Eclipse I would get between 2500-2800 even though all I was doing was rebooting the phone. One 5 reboots and doing nothing else the score would vary between 2500 up to the mid 2800s.
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I don't know why people go off of Quadrant. It varies so much. On 0.5 Eclipse I would get between 2500-2800 even though all I was doing was rebooting the phone. One 5 reboots and doing nothing else the score would vary between 2500 up to the mid 2800s.
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They go off quadrant because they think that a quadrant score is cool and it helps them sleep at night. Other than that, quadrant is pointless...
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They go off quadrant because they think that a quadrant score is cool and it helps them sleep at night. Other than that, quadrant is pointless...
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Oh yeah? Well my quadrant score can beat up your quadrant score with two eyes tied behind his back! So bring it...
Ah yes... it's fun watching them grow up isn't it?
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?4620-ROM-Eclipse-Gingerbread-No-Blur
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They go off quadrant because they think that a quadrant score is cool and it helps them sleep at night. Other than that, quadrant is pointless...
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There's a thread in the apps&games forum for a quadrant booster. I grabbed the apk from it & my average score went from 2500 to 4100
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My best quadrants on 0.5 were just under 2900.
I know that quadrant scores are pretty much pointless just like dynos on cars but it does at least allow you to create some kind of benchmark for yourself so you can see if your tweaks are improving the numbers or not.
I'm a car Guy so I look at it this way: my car has 300 horsepower. If I tweak it and it shows 350 horsepower, did I improve it measurably? Now do I really know or care how powerful a horse actually is? Are all horses equally powerful? No, but it is a decent measuring tool of my car's performance
(P.s. I know that horsepower is a function of torque. It's just an illustration.)
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I am running Nitro's test build and it's awesome! There are a good 50 less app elements in the OS compared with Eclipse and 100 less than GB. I have 275 MB free and get over 3000 on quadrant. The main bug is the market one: you can't install from the market. Just back up all your apps with TiBu and you won't have any problems.
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Where could one download this?
EDIT: Nevermind. I should have looked more.
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As by the title, I get a low score on CleanROM 3.7 based on ICS 4.0.3. My result is just 1700. I haven't found any benchmark result based on this rom but I know that stock should get at least 2400-2600.
Has anybody benchmarked on CleanROM?
Why does it matter? Bragging rights, or pissing contest?
Actually the score doesn't really matter but I've noticed a slowdown after flashing CleanROM.
Haven't noticed any lag at all.
Have you benchmarked quadrant? Also, the slowdown is more noticeable when scrolling menus and some heavy designed websites.
I don't know why people bother with Quadrant, it doesn't work correctly on dual-core phones anyway.
Actually don't really bother on it. But, as I said started to be doubtful of some lags compared to the stock rom and I used quadrant just to create an idea if this was really the case.
By the way. Ver 2.0 is optimized for multicore phones.
Quadrant is a terrible benchmark.
Use Antutu.
Tryied Antutu and got 3387. Checked a bit around and found that a score of 5000-6000 should be normal.
Ok, rerun antutu after restarting the phone and got around 6200. What really bothers me is that even after killing all task and running any benchmark, I notice that scores are usually noticeable lower than on a first run after restarting. And more important, the phone is slower. Seems like services are still running and using available resources.
I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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I use Advanced Task Killer by the way.
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Don't ever, ever, ever use task killers on anything past Froyo.
They harm the phone and do not do anything, it's all placebo that it does.
There's countless threads about it.
Delete it.
Done. Thank's for informing. Now I'm asking myself why they are still some of the most downloaded apps on the market when 90% of Android are on GB and up.
Because a friend of friend told them long ago to get it.
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Imo the only benches I care about are GPU benches. Quadrant is utter garbage, remove it and do yourself a favor. Nenamark 1 / Nenamark 2 for GPU benching is nice.
well, scrosler puts fastboot in his rom, which kills all running tasks that are not core.
Myself, I'll occasional open System panel app if the phone is acting up. Very occasionally.
On cleanrom I haven't noticed any slowdows.
Here is my issue, i decided to randomly run quadrant and found out i had bad results.
Around 3000, i had very low memory and i/o scores, memory being 2000 and i/o around 5000. I then flashed speedmod kernel and got even lower results, 2811 quadrant and 1500 memory, which is far from the default expected values. This happened in GB whith checrom V6 and Siyah Kerner, CM9 and SlimICS with both speedmod and fluxx kernel.
Antutu scores are lower then 6000 ranging from 4900 with SlimICS 5400 with GB and 5300 with CM9, i got back to Slim and cleared cache and got 5900, but quandrant still was performing poorly
You shouldn't rely on quadrant scores to decide whether the ROM is good or not, you should make that judgement for yourself. Sometimes, developers of ROMs make tweaks to purposely increase the quadrant scores.
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You shouldn't rely on quadrant scores to decide whether the ROM is good or not, you should make that judgement for yourself. Sometimes, developers of ROMs make tweaks to purposely increase the quadrant scores.
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I was just trying to see if there was something wrong with my phone. Not that i would keep the highest numbered ROM. That's why i got worried, the scores were low in almost all of them
Really want to test, flash stock rom and see the numbers flying
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you can try using different kernels with different cpu governors to see a difference in benchmarks.
Bench marking and quadrant scores are for *******.
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Basic problem is benchmarks vary from one run to another and are not reliable .
jje
Will a higher score change the way you use your phone?
What difference do the scores mean? Does it make your phone unuseable when you get a lower score? What answers are you hoping to get?
Dont use benchmarks....they arent needed, we already know our phone is fast...just use the phone and enjoy it
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Bench marking and quadrant scores are for *******.
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lmao
Its all relative to the rom you're using. CM9 I found scored lower on benchmarks, but on real life usage people report better performance
CM7 scored higher for me then stock based GB roms, quite comfortably. So that was the other way round.
However, WanamLite ICS which im using now scores between 6200 and 6300 for me, highest being 6330.
Again its all very relative to the rom you're using. If you're really that bothered flash a stock based ICS rom, run some benchmarks, see the higher values, get content, then either stick or go back to CM based roms with whatever wisdom you've aquired!
By the way all the above was using Antutu.