hello there...
is there any gps software that compatible with my sgs2 that running without any data charge?i mean it just using my gps,not gprs other than google maps because it suck a lot..
there are a few out on the market some are free. others you buy. These programs use internal maps and gps, no data.
igo, tomtom to name a ew which are compatible with android phones.
Cosmic Blue said:
there are a few out on the market some are free. others you buy. These programs use internal maps and gps, no data.
igo, tomtom to name a ew which are compatible with android phones.
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These phones don't seriously have an internal GPS antenna; do they? If I turn my data signal off I get no GPS.
How does the GPS work exactly in these phones? I mean with data on I guess it somehow uses tower triangulation to find the phone...but how does it work with the data network dis-activated? I'm confused.
The phone has full gps chip and aerials, with the data connection off agps won't work so well, and google maps won't work, but anything that stores there maps locally will work.
GPS fix will take longer without agps
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So without data it will still get a lock? You're saying that the phone DOES have a GPS antenna inside?
I've tried it before and it just seems like it searches for satellites forever and never gets a lock.
Starholdest said:
So without data it will still get a lock? You're saying that the phone DOES have a GPS antenna inside?
I've tried it before and it just seems like it searches for satellites forever and never gets a lock.
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Wow, ofcourse it has a GPS antenna
It does take some time to lock for the first time (like 2 minutes), but it works well.
Starholdest said:
So without data it will still get a lock? You're saying that the phone DOES have a GPS antenna inside?
I've tried it before and it just seems like it searches for satellites forever and never gets a lock.
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Yes it does, but a cold lock with no data connection will take quite a while.
Also make sure you have a clear view of the sky.
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Cosmic Blue said:
there are a few out on the market some are free. others you buy. These programs use internal maps and gps, no data.
igo, tomtom to name a ew which are compatible with android phones.
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igo and tomtom for android? please do share a link. i've got copilot live premium which works quite well, but aside from that and navigon, i haven't seen any other navigation software for android (excluding of course google navigation).
veyka said:
Yes it does, but a cold lock with no data connection will take quite a while.
Also make sure you have a clear view of the sky.
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So why does it take so long to get a lock compared to lets say a regular GPS unit that you put in your car? Is it because the antenna is smaller?
Starholdest said:
So why does it take so long to get a lock compared to lets say a regular GPS unit that you put in your car? Is it because the antenna is smaller?
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Much smaller component GPS than a standalone GPS unit .
jje
Starholdest said:
So why does it take so long to get a lock compared to lets say a regular GPS unit that you put in your car? Is it because the antenna is smaller?
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It should take the same amount of time in most cases. But sometimes the circumstances are different. A typical fix time i 5-30seconds for my SGS2, but sometimes it is slower.
And if your chip for some reason needs a complete configuration from the satellites it could take up to 10-15 minutes to get a fix (exceptional situation).
dubbel post...
andrej.marinic said:
igo and tomtom for android? please do share a link. i've got copilot live premium which works quite well, but aside from that and navigon, i haven't seen any other navigation software for android (excluding of course google navigation).
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Direct Linking To WAREZ Sites is Against Forum Rules will have links to programs or direct you to where to find them.
my apologies I did not realize that I was breaking the rules.
tjtj4444 said:
It should take the same amount of time in most cases. But sometimes the circumstances are different. A typical fix time i 5-30seconds for my SGS2, but sometimes it is slower.
And if your chip for some reason needs a complete configuration from the satellites it could take up to 10-15 minutes to get a fix (exceptional situation).
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I see.
I tried it today with data off and it couldn't get a lock I had it trying for 5+ minutes...I was outside with no blockages...
Starholdest said:
I see.
I tried it today with data off and it couldn't get a lock I had it trying for 5+ minutes...I was outside with no blockages...
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With data off and corrupt calendar data in the GPS chip it takes even more than 5 minutes.
Wait 15 minutes instead. This time is required due to the extremely low bit rate from gps satellites (50 bits/s).
Another idea is to download gps test from market and clear and update agps-data, this requires data connection on.
Both these solutions are known to work for others, hopefully one of them works for you.
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@cosmic blue:
warez link reported!
also, to clarify a few things here:
there is no tomtom for android.
basically, there is igo, navigon and ndrive.
these are offline navigation apps that do not require a data connection for navigation, since their maps, pois, voices... are stored on the phone itself, BUT navigon for instance, requires a short server connection to verify your version is legit. i don't know about the other two though.
Chef_Tony said:
@cosmic blue:
warez link reported!
also, to clarify a few things here:
there is no tomtom for android.
basically, there is igo, navigon and ndrive.
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You forgot Sygic Aura and Copilot, both are good and popular navigation applications.
tjtj4444 said:
With data off and corrupt calendar data in the GPS chip it takes even more than 5 minutes.
Wait 15 minutes instead. This time is required due to the extremely low bit rate from gps satellites (50 bits/s).
Another idea is to download gps test from market and clear and update agps-data, this requires data connection on.
Both these solutions are known to work for others, hopefully one of them works for you.
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Thanks I'll have to try that.
Basically what I want to know is that if I'm out the cell signal area AKA no cell signal and no data (obviously), the phone will still be able to get a lock? If so, that's crazy! I didn't know...I thought it either got your position from the net or triangulated your position via cell towers...not actually receiving data from a GPS satellite.
I used sygic when in spain it was really good no need to data
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651886
joy 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈！！！gps 搞好了？？？
What problem? I have no problem (at least I think)?
什麼??真的搞得好
但我的原本就沒什麼問題啊!
需要這樣做嗎??
Perfect !
3 time more faster in tomtom !!!!!
Before i use gps vewer to find quicly the gps and after tomtom... now i direct use TomTom !!!
Great !
PS : sorry for my english
very good, modified my S200 as attached pictures, the gps searching is very fast.
I install TOMTOM and Garmin Mobile XT in my S200. in office, both can find GPS in 20secs . the searching time need 2 mins before. It's about 1.5 meter from my table to windows.
when I run TOMTOM, I got the message asking if I am indoor every time before update. the message is gone although I am in office. the improvement of GPS signal strength is readily apparent.
Thanks joyqing (谢谢）
tommyher said:
什麼??真的搞得好
但我的原本就沒什麼問題啊!
需要這樣做嗎??
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你好，你看我原帖里的c1.jpg, c2.jpg的比较了吗？我是和HTC P3600比较的，在没改造天线以前，我的F1经常在窗口20分钟都只有1、2颗可见卫星，而P3600表现稳定快速。
wysxs said:
very good, modified my S200 as attached pictures, the gps searching is very fast.
I install TOMTOM and Garmin Mobile XT in my S200. in office, both can find GPS in 20secs . the searching time need 2 mins before. It's about 1.5 meter from my table to windows.
when I run TOMTOM, I got the message asking if I am indoor every time before update. the message is gone although I am in office. the improvement of GPS signal strength is readily apparent.
Thanks joyqing (谢谢）
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you are welcome! hehe
which country are you living?
我想用tomtom的一定在国外。如果能在原帖里回帖，让更多将信将疑的人看到效果就好了，呵呵
我的tomtom主程序7.917.9186，地图版本V845.2662 AUS。
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你好，你看我原帖里的c1.jpg, c2.jpg的比较了吗？我是和HTC P3600比较的，在没改造天线以前，我的F1经常在窗口20分钟都只有1、2颗可见卫星，而P3600表现稳定快速。
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i probably can't speak australian.
joyqing said:
you are welcome! Hehe
which country are you living?
我想用tomtom的一定在国外。如果能在原帖里回帖，让更多将信将疑的人看到效果就好了，呵呵
我的tomtom主程序7.917.9186，地图版本v845.2662 aus。
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我在加拿大，多谢你的修改，信号提高非常明显。我会在你的原帖里贴几张效果图。
wysxs said:
我在加拿大，多谢你的修改，信号提高非常明显。我会在你的原帖里贴几张效果图。
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谢谢你的效果图，非常棒
It really works very fine.
真的是太謝謝您了
竟然在窗邊15秒鐘內定到位
請受我一拜
感謝感謝
Thank you very much!!
my pleasure, enjoy your S200 !!!
I wonder....why should it work ?
Actually my gps is perfectly fine without the modification. Dunno if there is any truth to this but a friend of mine told me that they don't allow certain functions in phones to run at full signal receiving capacity because otherwise it would melt your brain ie. cancer
snelopy said:
Actually my gps is perfectly fine without the modification. Dunno if there is any truth to this but a friend of mine told me that they don't allow certain functions in phones to run at full signal receiving capacity because otherwise it would melt your brain ie. cancer
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Should not be a problem since the gps only receives signals and never sends any. Good thought though.
snelopy said:
Actually my gps is perfectly fine without the modification. Dunno if there is any truth to this but a friend of mine told me that they don't allow certain functions in phones to run at full signal receiving capacity because otherwise it would melt your brain ie. cancer
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the transmitter antenna (cellphone, WIFI) is harmful to human brain, receiver antenna is beneficial to human, improve IQ. so just do joyqing's mod asap.
check info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health
wysxs said:
the transmitter antenna (cellphone, WIFI) is harmful to human brain, receiver antenna is beneficial to human, improve IQ. so just do joyqing's mod asap.
check info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health
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haha, ...improve IQ, good !!!
tommyher said:
it really works very fine.
真的是太謝謝您了
竟然在窗邊15秒鐘內定到位
請受我一拜
感謝感謝
thank you very much!!
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好用就好，不客气
I will try your method and give my feedback
I'm tired of the GPS not working accurately on my vibrant. People seem to forget what's the true reason to use a mobile phone in the first place. Who really needs a faster processor and sharper resolution when you can't use it for something as basic as navigation and finding the number and address of your local grocery store?
This is why I have switched to a Garminfone. I do not have to pay for a data plan. Who really surfs the net on a tiny screen? that's what laptops and tablets are for. Can anyone here say their Vibrant GPS works just as accurately as a Garmin device? I want to know if it's because I have an older Vibrant model. Have the new Vibrants fixed the GPS issue completely? My Garminfone is accurate in locating me within 2-10 meters and can find me in 2-3 seconds! Plus it was made to integrate directly with your car, so there is a windshield holder with power outlet.
No real software can truly fix the GPS since it's a hardware limitation. Probably why my Garminfone is heavier. It uses a real GPS, not aGPS! And it's made by Asus which is an excellent brand!
No flaming intended, but HOLY CRAP a Garminfone?
Ouch dude.
You picked a GARMINFONE over an SGS? The ONLY thing that phone does better is GPS.
That being said, the GPS on my Vibrant works great. I have no idea why some Vibrants can't see a bird to save their lives, and some work. Supposedly the newer hardware makes it more likely that it will work.
Good luck with your new GPS that can make phone calls.
LOL at picking a Garminfone over the Vibrant.
On second thought...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<composes himself>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dominic77m said:
. People seem to forget what's the true reason to use a mobile phone
Who really needs a faster processor and sharper resolution when you can't use it for something as basic as navigation
This is why I have switched to a Garminfone.
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Weird... I thought the true reason to use a mobile phone.... was to call people??
I thought about the Garminfone briefly before I settled with a Vibrant.
Software updates for the Garminfone are really non-existent and any modding/hacking Roms is almost extinct as well. The device is on life support at best.
That being said I've seen Vibrants with superb 5 second GPS locks by just spending 10 patient minutes doing the GPS hardware fix listed in the sticky.
dominic77m said:
Who really surfs the net on a tiny screen? that's what laptops and tablets are for.
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I do. Everyday. Especially at work.
dominic77m said:
Can anyone here say their Vibrant GPS works just as accurately as a Garmin device?
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My GPS locks faster and recalculates less often than my Garmin.
dominic77m said:
No real software can truly fix the GPS since it's a hardware limitation. Probably why my Garminfone is heavier. It uses a real GPS, not aGPS! And it's made by Asus which is an excellent brand!
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True. There is a hardware issue with the GPS as stated in the sticky in the General Section. But once that issue is corrected the GPS is just as good as any standalone device I've every used. There are about 90 other people who will back me on that too. Oh and my phones GPS is set to Standalone, no aGPS here...
those that are replying, keep in mind....
does you GPS work properly without a Data plan???
my point is, if you're paying an extra $30 a month which is $330 a year for data when there is wifi in just about every mall, mc donalds, star bucks...why even bother?
and on top of that, why pay for data if you already have wifi at home and in the workplace??
Seriously, no one truly browses a full web page on a phone. You do that on a laptop or tablet. The Garminfone has android 2.1. So what is if it doesn't have 2.3? The issue is always going to be T-mobile will be a few builds behind the latest one. Are you really going to save the world with 2.3???
It's all about functionality and value!!!!
I can be in the middle of nowhere and get GPS directions, address and telephone numbers without a data plan! No paying $330 yearly!
So back to my question, does your GPS on your Vibrant work accurately without a data plan or wifi?
omg is this thread for real. me and my wife had a garmin when they first came out cause of the buy one get one deal. we couldnt give those crappy phones back fast enough. really garmin phone why dont you just get a tom tom duct tape it to your vibrant if you want gps so bad.
I looked at the Garminfone for about 10 minutes. I am not going to bash your choice because everyone has different needs for their devices. I will however say that my decision to NOT go with that phone was I read a ton of bad reviews on overall hardware and software issues. Plus I really hardly use GPS unless I am bored.
If you truly need GPS and just use a phone to call and text then that is what suits you best.
Good luck with your purchase, come back in a few weeks and prove us wrong I guess
After reading through this post, I don't why the OP even created this post in the first place when he knows for a fact that our phone requires a data plan for GPS to work. As for me, I am out most of the time and it's just much more convenient for me to use the data plan to go online and email without having to look for a place with wifi. On top of that, my replacement phone sees 11 to 12 birds and locks on to 6 to 8 birds in about 10 to 20 seconds. Maybe the OP regrade switching over and is trying to justify himself for the switch.
he might as well get a cup and string along with a star chart to map with for location for a phone.
dominic77m said:
I'm tired of the GPS not working accurately on my vibrant. People seem to forget what's the true reason to use a mobile phone in the first place.
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The irony is freaking delicious.
i see a lot of people here are new to TECHNOLOGY. I've been around computers since the first desktop computer came out. Many on here started using computers only when facebook became popular. The point is, the true value in technology does not lie in paying for a device at it's birth.
I repeat, $330 a year for what???
It's $330 for service...not a device that can be resold and make half your money back in a year. What do you really need so badly to download from the internet that requires you to get a data plan instead of using wifi?
The initial bad reviews for the Garminfone was because it only supported 1.6 at the time. 2.1 isn't that bad. And get this, Garminfone is made by Asus which is the best quality PC brand!
Of course the vibrant is better...well it ought to be if you're paying $330 more a year!!! It all comes down to price! You expect more if you pay more!
If you bought your Vibrant through Tmobile, you could have easily swapped it out for a newer model without the hardware problem at no cost to you. My GPS is working fine, and yes in some cases it fares better than standalone units.
People use their phones for browsing all the time, that's kind of the major point of a smartphone...
As for the data plan, I use Audiogalaxy to stream my entire music collection (upwards of 200 gigs of music) from my computer at home, to my car. How would you do that without a data plan again?
dominic77m said:
my point is, if you're paying an extra $30 a month which is $330 a year for data when there is wifi in just about every mall, mc donalds, star bucks...why even bother?
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What about everyone who doesnt have wifi at work. Those who don't visit malls or fast food restaurants. What about the fact then even those who do have wifi at work also have many restrictions to go along with it. I'd rather have the network with me at all times than to have to go somewhere to use the internet
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and on top of that, why pay for data if you already have wifi at home and in the workplace??
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Again... You assume everyone has wifi at home/work.
dominic77m said:
Seriously, no one truly browses a full web page on a phone. You do that on a laptop or tablet. The Garminfone has android 2.1. So what is if it doesn't have 2.3? The issue is always going to be T-mobile will be a few builds behind the latest one. Are you really going to save the world with 2.3???
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Again. I use my phone for full web browsing on a daily bases even at home. As do many others who do too. You shouldnt make statements like that without knowing peoples habbits for a fact.
dominic77m said:
It's all about functionality and value!!!!
I can be in the middle of nowhere and get GPS directions, address and telephone numbers without a data plan! No paying $330 yearly!
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Cool story. Whatever works for you. But don't pretend you know whats best for everyone just because its best for you.
dominic77m said:
So back to my question, does your GPS on your Vibrant work accurately without a data plan or wifi?
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Again. Yes my Vibrant is just as accurate and in some cases MORE accurate. And it is possible to use the GPS without a data plan.
dominic77m said:
i see a lot of people here are new to TECHNOLOGY. I've been around computers since the first desktop computer came out. Many on here started using computers only when facebook became popular.
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O, rly? Source?
dominic77m said:
I repeat, $330 a year for what???
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Unlimited access to the cloud and everything that entails, at speeds that are often faster than the average wifi connection. This also works when in a car, on a bus, at the beach, in the mall, in an airport, while doing handstands, practicing your backflips on a trampoline, hell even when I'm walking to the office, dropping my drawers, and dropping a deuce all over my ****ty Asus netbook
dominic77m said:
It's $330 for service...not a device that can be resold and make half your money back in a year. What do you really need so badly to download from the internet that requires you to get a data plan instead of using wifi?
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Its consistent convenience. Social Networking, streaming radio (including jacked into my car stereo), XDA app, certain games, Market access anytime, etc.
dominic77m said:
Of course the vibrant is better...well it ought to be if you're paying $330 more a year!!! It all comes down to price! You expect more if you pay more!
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Agreed. You pay less for a less enjoyable experience.
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Again. Yes my Vibrant is just as accurate and in some cases MORE accurate. And it is possible to use the GPS without a data plan.
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Exactly, and with Maps 5.0 you have offline route caching, so you can still navigate when you lose data service.
people really need internet on a tiny little device 24/7 for $330?
Sure everything is case by case, but $330 in this economy when MOST people already have wifi. This is how ridiculous cellphone plans are! It use to be a device for talking and now people describe it like a NECESSITY!
This is exactly why Americans are always broke! They don't know the meaning of value. It's one thing that you're Donald Trump, but MAJORITY of people don't need internet service with them 24/7.
If you're using your mobile device for tethering, then that's a good thing...but when you already have wifi at home like most people, this is completely a waste!
Does anyone have proof that the Vibrant GPS works great by itself without a data plan. I'm looking for proof online. Maybe a video or article.
Hey, if the aGPS works like real GPS on the vibrant, I'd completely switch back.
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people really need internet on a tiny little device 24/7 for $330?.
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i only pay 180 a year!! got tmo to lower it to 15 dollars a month when my contract expired and its been that way for 2 years now
dominic77m said:
Hey, if the aGPS works like real GPS on the vibrant, I'd completely switch back.
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The vibrants GPS can operate in 3 different modes. One of which is STANDALONE. meaning the phone gets its data directly from the sats. Meaning no network connection is needed.
It appears like I'm one of the many people with non existent GPS. I wonder how much it really matters though. Outside of location services for apps, what is the point of having this on a wifi only tablet? You are going to get some location info on wifi. When you are not connected to the Internet, what good is the GPS? Google maps generally requires a data connection, as do most apps.
I already knew about the GPS problems before buying the tablet, so I'm not stressing about it.
What are you using GPS for when you are offline?
Thoughts?
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It appears like I'm one of the many people with non existent GPS. I wonder how much it really matters though. Outside of location services for apps, what is the point of having this on a wifi only tablet? You are going to get some location info on wifi. When you are not connected to the Internet, what good is the GPS? Google maps generally requires a data connection, as do most apps.
I already knew about the GPS problems before buying the tablet, so I'm not stressing about it.
What are you using GPS for when you are offline?
Thoughts?
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I feel the same way, I just got my prime and I knew about the gps issue and to me it is a non issue. The wifi works just fine so I am very happy
For me is more the fact that I paid $500 + tax for a fully working tablet and its not what I got. I'm funny like that.
At this point in time, in a premium 2012 tablet, GPS is not exactly black magic. It should work in a premium tablet - it works perfectly on a wifi samsung 10.1.
At the very latest it's like buying the keyboard dock with a non working sd card reader. Yes, there is the cloud, the micro sd card in the tablet, just plug a usb drive, blah blah blah. Really?
It's there. Its a great gps chip. It should simply f*ing work, simples.
rueben68 said:
For me is more the fact that I paid $500 + tax for a fully working tablet and its not what I got. I'm funny like that.
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True. But, they originally delayed shipment of the tablet because of the GPS issue and then said they were planning to disable it. So, I wasn't even expecting to have the option available on it. I'm just curious what people would use it for if it was functioning. Maybe to make myself feel better that it's not working.
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I'm just curious what people would use it for if it was functioning. Maybe to make myself feel better that it's not working.
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http://bestandroidappsfor.com/maps-navigation/best-android-offline-maps
Offline maps are great for off roading, for instance. Or trekking in a big national park. Heck,een geotagging, tagging your pictures/notes for organizing them later.
Star, planets, educational apps.
Edit: oh yeah, those tablet retrieval security apps...those that would report back (when connected) where your precious is located if stolen. That's about it, LOL.
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What are you using GPS for when you are offline?
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Locus Pro, but there are many offline solutions such as CoPilot.
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For me is more the fact that I paid $500 + tax for a fully working tablet and its not what I got. I'm funny like that.
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At this point in time, in a premium 2012 tablet, GPS is not exactly black magic. It should work in a premium tablet - it works perfectly on a wifi samsung 10.1.
At the very latest it's like buying the keyboard dock with a non working sd card reader. Yes, there is the cloud, the micro sd card in the tablet, just plug a usb drive, blah blah blah. Really?
It's there. Its a great gps chip. It should simply f*ing work, simples.
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The two posters above nailed the issue dead on.
GPS isn't voodoo, nor is it black magic. It's a standard feature in Android devices. Why is this top of the line, leading edge, Android device deficient?
As has been discussed many times, Apple has sold tens of millions of iPads with no GPS chip whatsoever, and for $100 more per tablet on a same-storage basis. So, obviously, the market as a whole doesn't demand GPS in a tablet. Toss in about 6 million Kindle Fires to illustrate the point.
I kind of understand the idea that the chip is there so some people want it to work, but for myself I have to admit that I pretty much don't care beyond that completely theoretical level. I suppose my opinion is influenced by the fact that I never once used GPS on my original Transformer. Not a single time. Didn't even think about using it. So, the chip sat there, completely unused. What do I do, complain now that I spent money on something I never used? Should I have demanded a lower-priced version of the Transformer without a GPS chip?
I think the fact remains as it always has with the Prime: if you want navigation-quality GPS on a tablet, then the Prime isn't for you. Neither is the iPad. So, make a different choice. I choose to simply think of the Prime as a tablet that's like the iPad in not having GPS, only $100 cheaper.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
wynand32 said:
As has been discussed many times, Apple has sold tens of millions of iPads with no GPS chip whatsoever, and for $100 more per tablet on a same-storage basis. So, obviously, the market as a whole doesn't demand GPS in a tablet. Toss in about 6 million Kindle Fires to illustrate the point.
I kind of understand the idea that the chip is there so some people want it to work, but for myself I have to admit that I pretty much don't care beyond that completely theoretical level. I suppose my opinion is influenced by the fact that I never once used GPS on my original Transformer. Not a single time. Didn't even think about using it. So, the chip sat there, completely unused. What do I do, complain now that I spent money on something I never used? Should I have demanded a lower-priced version of the Transformer without a GPS chip?
I think the fact remains as it always has with the Prime: if you want navigation-quality GPS on a tablet, then the Prime isn't for you. Neither is the iPad. So, make a different choice. I choose to simply think of the Prime as a tablet that's like the iPad in not having GPS, only $100 cheaper.
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Do you turn off the GPS location services in the settings? Does this actually turn off the radio to preserve battery or just disable the app usage?
teknomar7 said:
I wonder how much it really matters though?
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Regarding your title question.... To you... Not much. To others... I can't say, but for me, I put off my purchase directly because this feature is not available/functional.
wynand32 said:
......I think the fact remains as it always has with the Prime: if you want navigation-quality GPS on a tablet, then the Prime isn't for you.
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'always' = o'rly?
As it remains, now, yes, but AFTER ASUS TOOK THAT FEATURE OFF OF THE SPECIFICATION LIST....AFTER ALREADY MANUFACTURING IT AND SELLING IT AS PREVIOUSLY SPECIFIED AS HAVING GPS CAPABILITY
sorry for SHOUTING, but some folks forget the timeline involved, and also that we are not all after the same thing -feature wise- with tablets or other technologies. Some features are more important to others, some features may never even be used by some folks...maybe they will use it in the future or folks will give the tablet to their kids who my discover unused features.
Also, some of ya'll must never travel out of cell phone signal range, and that's a very sad thing, because there exists a LOT of places on this beautiful planet and some of them, gasp, don't have wifi or cellular coverage for location services-places where I turn phones off because they become completely useless. I travel to some of these places, and would be nice to navigate, geocache, geotag pictures from my DSLR, watch movies, play some simple games, keep notes of the journey, itinerary, etc... on less than 2 or 4 devices, possibly even on just 1 nearly awesome device... but I guess not this one-that doesn't make me wrong for wanting GPS capabilities on a high-performance Android Tablet and being interested in one that was supposed to have said capability.
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GPS doesn't drain battery if not in active use, it's not like wifi that test network even when no network usable.
So you can leave it on but what for...
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Do you turn off the GPS location services in the settings? Does this actually turn off the radio to preserve battery or just disable the app usage?
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The "GPS location service" is WiFi. Google has mapped out where millions of WiFi nodes are, plus you are getting AGPS data over WiFi if there is an open access point.
"GPS Satellites" is what you want to uncheck to save battery.
Striatum_bdr said:
So you can leave it on but what for...
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Use your imagination! Think of places where you might want to know where you are but there is no wifi or cell coverage. Think of things you would want to do with that information. Think of reasons for wanting that information integrated within a device you use for other purposes (ie: using something you already have with you instead of bringing something additional)
The sad thing is mine and my dads prime had gps working outside until the last update which was to "fix the gps".
Yes, my GPS was working too until the last update specifically for GPS. Then it no longer worked. It has been posted that the update would disable GPS. Guess I should've believed that and passed.
I use GPS a lot with my smartphones and wanted it here for the larger map. I carry a 3G MiFi for travel so maps and aGPS were a go once upon a time and the larger map was indeed a plus.
It matters to me but I'm not returning my Prime until or unless a fix is known.
-jts
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mrmark93 said:
Regarding your title question.... To you... Not much. To others... I can't say, but for me, I put off my purchase directly because this feature is not available/functional.
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Are you planning to purchase an alternative tablet for GPS? Is the Galaxy Tab the only other one with that feature?
teknomar7 said:
Are you planning to purchase an alternative tablet for GPS? Is the Galaxy Tab the only other one with that feature?
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My Prime's pretty solid, no real issues that aren't software as far as I can tell.
If Asus can't fix the GPS issue I'll probably buy a bluetooth GPS puck and call it a day.
Col.Kernel said:
The "GPS location service" is WiFi. Google has mapped out where millions of WiFi nodes are, plus you are getting AGPS data over WiFi if there is an open access point.
"GPS Satellites" is what you want to uncheck to save battery.
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That's what I meant... thanks.
I actually noticed Google Maps was crashing on me when I had GPS turned on and couldn't get a signal. Then when I turned it off and just used wifi for location, it worked fine. Plus, every time I open Facebook it tries (and fails) to find my GPS location. So, I will probably just disable it for the time being.
teknomar7 said:
It appears like I'm one of the many people with non existent GPS. I wonder how much it really matters though. Outside of location services for apps, what is the point of having this on a wifi only tablet? You are going to get some location info on wifi. When you are not connected to the Internet, what good is the GPS? Google maps generally requires a data connection, as do most apps.
I already knew about the GPS problems before buying the tablet, so I'm not stressing about it.
What are you using GPS for when you are offline?
Thoughts?
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+1. A good point well made.
If I ever need GPS data I can use my mobile, but can't ever remember needing to use it.
mrmark93 said:
Regarding your title question.... To you... Not much. To others... I can't say, but for me, I put off my purchase directly because this feature is not available/functional.
'always' = o'rly?
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Okay, yes, there is a group of people who bought Primes and didn't find out about the likely permanence of the GPS issue until after their return policy expired. For those people, ASUS needs to come up with a solution, up to and including giving a refund.
However, this thread is about whether GPS matters today. Certainly, anybody buying it now and visiting this forum has zero reason to complain, except in general to say "Boy, I really wish the Prime had working GPS, because then it would be the perfect tablet." Fact is, though, it doesn't, and so that wish and $.25 won't even get a person a cup of coffee nowadays.
Hi guys,
Many of us, including me, got a GPS lock problem. We have problem to get GPS lock in a decent time and when it got a lock, sometimes, it will loosed again.
I have read many post regarding this topic, some argue that it was hardware, and some tells, it was software.
Well, in my opinion, both were true, GPS signal in this phone is low or even below average.
But recently, I found the cause. For weak signal, probably, it was hardware, nothing can do with it, but for locking issue, I am pretty sure it was software problem and can be fixed by changing ROM.
I tried a few ROM based on 10B, but none gave a good GPS Lock. Then I tried another ROM based on 10F and 10G, and both were good.
First boot, when ROM just installed, I got GPS Lock around 10mins, but after that, it could lock under a mins, sometime even sec.Booting again, still gets a decent time in GPS Lock.
So I think it was software issue and can solved it by change it to a different ROM. Btw, not every ROM based on 10F or 10G has a good GPS lock.
EDIT : GPS lock is tested without using Internet connection via data mobile or via.
EDIT : PM me if you want to know ROM that have a good lock on GPS, can't write in this post due regulations, sorry.
This isn't a solution
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Dri94 said:
This isn't a solution
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Sure
Every time:
1) turn on mobile data, wait until it shows your H/4G icon.
2) open gps status and let it to DL A-GPS data.
3) ready, your lock is in 15 seconds max.
drakexpl said:
Every time:
1) turn on mobile data, wait until it shows your H/4G icon.
2) open gps status and let it to DL A-GPS data.
3) ready, your lock is in 15 seconds max.
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Sorry, I mean GPS lock without any Internet connection at all.
If its without data connection, its very weather dependent
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drakexpl said:
If its without data connection, its very weather dependent
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Yes, but even it is in a heavy cloud condition or medium rain, locking is still quick.
Just a quick note: GPS lock can be very quick if your compass calibration is right. Just recalibrate your compass.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2
caysman said:
Just a quick note: GPS lock can be very quick if your compass calibration is right. Just recalibrate your compass.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.eclipsim.gpsstatus2
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I think the Compass is the problem with my phone. When I am in MAPS and driving North and stop, the pointer moves east to west. When I start driving again, it'll continue it's course, but occasionally it'll think I'm turning and try to reroute me back on course. I'll try calibrating my compass and test.
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My Compass seems correct, but it's turned backwards in Maps. Maybe there is a problem with Maps detecting the compass settings.
The Tool listed quoted shows North to my left when sitting at my desk. Open up Maps and my heading is pointing to my right (south) when it should be facing my monitors (I'm facing East). So Maps has my compass off my 90 degrees which throws off my Navigation.
It almost seems like it's trying to point in landscape mode, but when I do that, the screen spins and is off again.
htcm7 said:
Yes, but even it is in a heavy cloud condition or medium rain, locking is still quick.
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This is nonsense. A COLD start on a GPS will take NO LESS than 10 minutes and quite a bit longer if you don't have a clear view to the sky and satellites in view. Period. So if it's "quick", which I presume is nowhere near 10 minutes, it's not a cold start. Therefore it has ephemeris data, which is what the internet connection (A-GPS) provides.
I got GPS to work on my phone by flashing a stock rom, obtaining a solid lock, wiping, and then flashing cm11. Lock held. i remember having to do exactly this for the droid 3 (or maybe it was the bionic) for gps to work. it's a pain, but it worked for me.
khaytsus said:
This is nonsense. A COLD start on a GPS will take NO LESS than 10 minutes and quite a bit longer if you don't have a clear view to the sky and satellites in view. Period. So if it's "quick", which I presume is nowhere near 10 minutes, it's not a cold start. Therefore it has ephemeris data, which is what the internet connection (A-GPS) provides.
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Nonsense if people like you just talked without a proof.
I got a lock under 2-3 mins without any internet connection. And if you look at default gps.font file it is not even use A GPS conf. Period.
htcm7 said:
Nonsense if people like you just talked without a proof.
I got a lock under 2-3 mins without any internet connection. And if you look at default gps.font file it is not even use A GPS conf. Period.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix
Cold or Factory: The receiver is missing, or has inaccurate estimates of, its position, velocity, the time, or the visibility of any of the GPS satellites. As such, the receiver must systematically search for all possible satellites. After acquiring a satellite signal, the receiver can begin to obtain approximate information on all the other satellites, called the almanac. This almanac is transmitted repeatedly over 12.5 minutes. Almanac data can be received from any of the GPS satellites and is considered valid for up to 180 days. Manufacturers typically claim the factory TTFF to be 15 minutes.
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So your device has empheris data. Maybe stale. But it's there.
And yes, it uses A-GPS by default. Zero chance it doesn't.
So I just turned on airplane mode, cleared AGPS data and rebooted. Less than 2 1/2 minutes to get a lock indoors. D801.
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nismology said:
So I just turned on airplane mode, cleared AGPS data and rebooted. Less than 2 1/2 minutes to get a lock indoors. D801.
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Bool story, cro.
khaytsus said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_to_first_fix
So your device has empheris data. Maybe stale. But it's there.
And yes, it uses A-GPS by default. Zero chance it doesn't.
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Have you look at gps.conf file? A-GPS is not enabled yet in that file.
I see you have nexus 7, this device is not A-GPS supported, but it also got a lock even faster than G2, even not in a very clear sky view.
htcm7 said:
Have you look at gps.conf file? A-GPS is not enabled yet in that file.
I see you have nexus 7, this device is not A-GPS supported, but it also got a lock even faster than G2, even not in a very clear sky view.
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Of course the Nexus 7 can use A-GPS data. And I have a LG G2 as well.
I'm out of this thread, way too much nonsense
khaytsus said:
Of course the Nexus 7 can use A-GPS data. And I have a LG G2 as well.
I'm out of this thread, way too much nonsense
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Ha ha, never heard nexus 7 2012 WiFi supported A GPS, take a look its technical specs.
G2 is supported, but like I said, it is not enabled yet. You have to enabled it if you want to use it.
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Bool story, cro.
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And it's just as true as your blanket statement was false.
Without doing the above, it's a matter of a few seconds even with google location off.
koftheworld said:
I got GPS to work on my phone by flashing a stock rom, obtaining a solid lock, wiping, and then flashing cm11. Lock held. i remember having to do exactly this for the droid 3 (or maybe it was the bionic) for gps to work. it's a pain, but it worked for me.
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Same here.
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I sent my phone G620 in assistance to poor functioning of the GPS and I came back with the same defect, gps slow and not accurate. how your GPS? is a defect of this phone?
Same here, since always.
Take a lot of time to fix position, and it's very unstable.
On a side by side with another phone, catches almost the same Sat's(less but almost the same), but with much less strenght so,because of that he doesn't fix my position, and when it does, it's very easy to loose it again... I don't know why, but even in my LG Optimus Black was the same :S .
who function very well
from the answers that I got I think that as this phone gps is a failure
Root it.
Download "faster GPS" from play store.
Set the new parameters that suit you.
Enjoy.
baggino said:
from the answers that I got I think that as this phone gps is a failure
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Yes it is.
After a few months of using it, I love the size, the performance (I don't play games), and the battery is awesome. But I use google maps extensively, for work. This phone has been useless to me in that area, I still have to carry my tablet with me for this. Awful.
Fastergps and other apps have not helped.