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So, we all by now have heard of the awesomeness that is MIUI. Im running the Rodrigez port of the ROM, and its fantastic.
One thing about this ROM is that it stores all installed apps on the homescreen, much like the iPhone. There is no launcher. So for people like myself (and IM sure many others), its pretty time consuming arranging all 132 apps on the homescreens the way I want them!
I know in ADW launcher there is a setting to save your homescreen layout to your sd card, which can be conveniently restored when needed. I used this all the time with Cyan and Enomther, simply because it saved time after a fresh install.
Im asking the awesome coders of XDA if they think there is any way of either writing a command/app that will save your homescreen layout into a file on your sd card that can later be restored? I dont know if its something that can be written into the ROM, as Im not a coder. I just know it would save a lot of time in using this ROM. I just had a problem with my sd card and had to repartition it, meaning that I ll need to set all 132 apps on the homescreen again to the order I want them
I know that a nandroid can do this, but a separate application would be nice, as MIUI needs an ext 3 parition for apps2ext to work and everything I do a Nandroid +ext backup, I always have problems restoring it.
Any devs or coders out there know if this is possible?
Ideas?
I would like to see an auto rearrange option.
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Why would you want your homescreens cluttered with apps, I'm running Rod's MIUI, but I'm using Launcher Pro because I have to have a app drawer. And, I think most Android users aren't trying to make their Android phones like the Iphone. If you haven't already, check out the screenshots in the beginning of Themes & App's forum, most users are using alt. launchers to customize the UI. I didn't see one shot with anyone running stock MIUI
blas4me said:
Why would you want your homescreens cluttered with apps, I'm running Rod's MIUI, but I'm using Launcher Pro because I have to have a app drawer. And, I think most Android users aren't trying to make their Android phones like the Iphone. If you haven't already, check out the screenshots in the beginning of Themes & App's forum, most users are using alt. launchers to customize the UI. I didn't see one shot with anyone running stock MIUI
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I have to agree. It seems like we are taking a step back in the evolution of the os. Like who seriously wants all apps mixed up in a clutter on your homescreen? But for the 5 people who do prefer this, I could see why they would want this save option included.
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This is convenient for all users of the very nice standard launcher that MIUI comes with.
I'd happily use it if it existed.
blas4me said:
Why would you want your homescreens cluttered with apps, I'm running Rod's MIUI, but I'm using Launcher Pro because I have to have a app drawer. And, I think most Android users aren't trying to make their Android phones like the Iphone. If you haven't already, check out the screenshots in the beginning of Themes & App's forum, most users are using alt. launchers to customize the UI. I didn't see one shot with anyone running stock MIUI
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Imperial.mack said:
I have to agree. It seems like we are taking a step back in the evolution of the os. Like who seriously wants all apps mixed up in a clutter on your homescreen? But for the 5 people who do prefer this, I could see why they would want this save option included.
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I have to disagree, MIUI is a huge step forward. Regular xda members may not like the iPhone-ness, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of the public tend to gravitate towards it. How do you think they still sell iPhones, anyways? lol.
I look at MIUI as a breath of fresh air. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that we needed a break from Sense and stock for a while.
That being said, I have defected back to CM for now. Main reason: Lockscreen music controls. I love the MIUI lockscreen, but having to unlock, open music app, and press skip just wasn't safe for me, as the only time I use my phone for music is while driving. Personal preference, but pretty important to me.
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I have to disagree, MIUI is a huge step forward. Regular xda members may not like the iPhone-ness, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of the public tend to gravitate towards it. How do you think they still sell iPhones, anyways? lol.
I look at MIUI as a breath of fresh air. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that we needed a break from Sense and stock for a while.
That being said, I have defected back to CM for now. Main reason: Lockscreen music controls. I love the MIUI lockscreen, but having to unlock, open music app, and press skip just wasn't safe for me, as the only time I use my phone for music is while driving. Personal preference, but pretty important to me.
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Never knew people liked that iPhone-esque home screen. Always thought installing another launcher on top of it was mandatory for the Android crowd. Step back indeed, unless you think gravitating towards the iPhone's OS' simplicity is step forward according to the poster right above me. Assuming he's not some T-Mobile exec that just looks at the "big picture's aka sales...
@Op: sorry for veering OT. I just thought what he posted was absolutely absurd! Unless it was complete sarcasm, then I apologize.
You can use Titanium Backup to backup the data portion of the MIUI launcher, restoring that will restore the layout.
And what's with this BS fake "you're the 1 millionth user" banner ads, what is this, 1998!?
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Never knew people liked that iPhone-esque home screen. Always thought installing another launcher on top of it was mandatory for the Android crowd. Step back indeed, unless you think gravitating towards the iPhone's OS' simplicity is step forward according to the poster right above me. Assuming he's not some T-Mobile exec that just looks at the "big picture's aka sales...
@Op: sorry for veering OT. I just thought what he posted was absolutely absurd! Unless it was complete sarcasm, then I apologize.
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It's a step forward in the fact that developers are thinking outside the box and working on the framework/user-interface, instead of focusing all efforts on the "behind-the-scenes" aspect of Android. Don't get me wrong, I love CyanogenMod and TheOfficial, and appreciate all the work the countless devs have done, but the stock UI hasn't changed at all, really, since 1.5...
It's not the simplicity of iOS, per say; rather, the ease of use is what I think draws the crowds. I'm an iPhone to Android convert, and have rid myself of most of my Apple products (bad experience with my MacBook left a horrible taste in my mouth), so I guess you could consider me an Android fanboy.
And why would a T-Mobile exec be promoting a competitor's biggest seller (aka AT&T and the iPhone). Kinda off-base there, if you ask me.
I would also like to apologize for going so far off topic. Had to speak my mind .
I won't be posting (off topic) in this thread again.
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It's a step forward in the fact that developers are thinking outside the box and working on the framework/user-interface, instead of focusing all efforts on the "behind-the-scenes" aspect of Android. Don't get me wrong, I love CyanogenMod and TheOfficial, and appreciate all the work the countless devs have done, but the stock UI hasn't changed at all, really, since 1.5...
It's not the simplicity of iOS, per say; rather, the ease of use is what I think draws the crowds. I'm an iPhone to Android convert, and have rid myself of most of my Apple products (bad experience with my MacBook left a horrible taste in my mouth), so I guess you could consider me an Android fanboy.
And why would a T-Mobile exec be promoting a competitor's biggest seller (aka AT&T and the iPhone). Kinda off-base there, if you ask me.
I would also like to apologize for going so far off topic. Had to speak my mind .
I won't be posting in this thread again.
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I feel you on the alleged ease of use of the iphone but personally I found the Miui homescreen harder to use. If I wanted to open an app, I had to mentally remember which homescreen I placed it on. There was also no other way to sort the homescreen. And when I wanted to move an app to a specific place, other apps shifted places but in sometimes undesirable places. I got frustrated. Thats why I think that the app drawer is a forward evolution of the os. Thats like me places a million shortcuts on my desktop computer instead of going to the start menu or searching for the program in the start menu searchbar. Just my 2cents. Iphone os just not that impressive to me.
I actually have used all the launchers out there and launcherpro is a good launcher to have over certain roms. I myself been on LP plus since CM6 and loved the ability of customizing almost every faucet of the ROM. But since MIUI, I have tried to use LP plus and I have to admit I cannot use any of the launchers to run on top of MIUI. IMO kinda takes away from MIUI.
And because of my opinion, all the apps of course, are on the screens. What did I do? I just used created two folders. One "app" and one "tools" folder and separated them that way. So far so good, unless someone can point me in the direction of a launcher that can organize it in a 'better' way, please let me know. Thanks!
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I actually have used all the launchers out there and launcherpro is a good launcher to have over certain roms. I myself been on LP plus since CM6 and loved the ability of customizing almost every faucet of the ROM. But since MIUI, I have tried to use LP plus and I have to admit I cannot use any of the launchers to run on top of MIUI. IMO kinda takes away from MIUI.
And because of my opinion, all the apps of course, are on the screens. What did I do? I just used created two folders. One "app" and one "tools" folder and separated them that way. So far so good, unless someone can point me in the direction of a launcher that can organize it in a 'better' way, please let me know. Thanks!
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Yes folders are nice. I just didn't like the look of them. I'm happy that cm is porting over the power widget notification bar! That was my fav part of Miui rom
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wdfowty said:
That being said, I have defected back to CM for now. Main reason: Lockscreen music controls. I love the MIUI lockscreen, but having to unlock, open music app, and press skip just wasn't safe for me, as the only time I use my phone for music is while driving. Personal preference, but pretty important to me.
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If you want to skip music without unlock the phone, there are many solutions, search in the marker: "Shake2PlayNext".
http://www.appbrain.com/app/shake2playnext/ru.atrant.shake2playnext
Imperial.mack said:
I feel you on the alleged ease of use of the iphone but personally I found the Miui homescreen harder to use. If I wanted to open an app, I had to mentally remember which homescreen I placed it on. There was also no other way to sort the homescreen. And when I wanted to move an app to a specific place, other apps shifted places but in sometimes undesirable places. I got frustrated. Thats why I think that the app drawer is a forward evolution of the os. Thats like me places a million shortcuts on my desktop computer instead of going to the start menu or searching for the program in the start menu searchbar. Just my 2cents. Iphone os just not that impressive to me.
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or you just can use the search function of your phone
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I have to disagree, MIUI is a huge step forward. Regular xda members may not like the iPhone-ness, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of the public tend to gravitate towards it. How do you think they still sell iPhones, anyways? lol.
I look at MIUI as a breath of fresh air. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that we needed a break from Sense and stock for a while.
That being said, I have defected back to CM for now. Main reason: Lockscreen music controls. I love the MIUI lockscreen, but having to unlock, open music app, and press skip just wasn't safe for me, as the only time I use my phone for music is while driving. Personal preference, but pretty important to me.
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wdfowty said:
That being said, I have defected back to CM for now. Main reason: Lockscreen music controls. I love the MIUI lockscreen, but having to unlock, open music app, and press skip just wasn't safe for me, as the only time I use my phone for music is while driving. Personal preference, but pretty important to me.
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Have you tried WidgetLocker Lockscreen? =P maybe you'll go back to MIUI again if you try it.
I have organized lots of apps in folders so I don't miss the app drawer at all :]
Music Player Pro (app) has lock screen controls.
Best music player out there imo.
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/multimedia/music-playerpro_jkyc.html
Interesting thoughts guys.
I actually take the MIUI homescreen as " a breath of fresh air" as well. I know its a bit iPhoneish, but it works VERY quickly and it looks nice. Also, less widgets = less lag, and for now Im enjoying the change.
I used ADW launcher (love it) and Launcher Pro (also great) on Cyanogen and Enomther for a while, but with MIUI, the launcher they have developed just works so well, which is why I think an app to import and retain homescreen settings would make the ROM even more awesome.
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Interesting thoughts guys.
I actually take the MIUI homescreen as " a breath of fresh air" as well. I know its a bit iPhoneish, but it works VERY quickly and it looks nice. Also, less widgets = less lag, and for now Im enjoying the change.
I used ADW launcher (love it) and Launcher Pro (also great) on Cyanogen and Enomther for a while, but with MIUI, the launcher they have developed just works so well, which is why I think an app to import and retain homescreen settings would make the ROM even more awesome.
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Is miui open sourced?
The beauty of android
Dai323 said:
Interesting thoughts guys.
I actually take the MIUI homescreen as " a breath of fresh air" as well. I know its a bit iPhoneish, but it works VERY quickly and it looks nice. Also, less widgets = less lag, and for now Im enjoying the change.
I used ADW launcher (love it) and Launcher Pro (also great) on Cyanogen and Enomther for a while, but with MIUI, the launcher they have developed just works so well, which is why I think an app to import and retain homescreen settings would make the ROM even more awesome.
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I agree with you on that, MIUI is a very fast and dependable rom, I just don't like my homescreen cluttered, I run a lot of widgets and I don't lag. Nexus can handle it. I have over 200 apps installed and with the standard launcher I couldn't find anything. I have to admit the icons give the phone a uniformed look, but I don't want them on my home screen. I have the App Inventor from Google, and I was trying to come up with a idea for a app, so Ima see what I can do for you. I'm not a dev or anything I'm still going through the tutorials, but we'll see.
Will there ever be aosp for flyer?
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Funny, I was just wondering this a few minutes ago. As cool as sense is, It lags like a sob. I sure hope it will, HTC devices usually get CM7 support so we'll see. But until we get that US RUU I'm not flashing anything.
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I doubt there will be an AOSP build because it will lack the stylus integration on the Flyer.
Curious what you see lag on. The Flyer currently has the fastest processor of any tablet on the market. I find the Flyer to be very snappy. Most of Sense is just in the HTC launcher and associated widgets. You are free to use any of the 3rd party launchers instead and there are some very good ones out there like ADW EX, GO Launcher, and Launcher Pro Plus. The stock android launcher on GB is a real dog meaning very vanilla and ugly. CM7 Uses ADW instead of stock GB launcher. The stock HC launcher is not bad. The HC browser is a lot better than the GB too..
If you feel Sense is slowing you down, don't use it and use one of the 3rd party launchers instead. You can even use one of the home switcher utilities to switch between HTC sense and a different launcher on the fly and have totally different looks. The Flyer has plenty of memory so that's not a concern.
Maybe just a way to remove sense it doesn't allow use of my bluetooth keyboard or my Zeemote. The alternative is to make work around with Aosp but the later is harder.
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Hummm, which keyboard do you have. Sense really has nothing to do with keyboards, that is built into Android. My bluetooth keyboard works fine with the stock Flyer. I have a HP keyboard and an Apple keyboard, both work great. As far as the remote, the functions would need a keymap , which is probably doable.
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Curious what you see lag on. The Flyer currently has the fastest processor of any tablet on the market. I find the Flyer to be very snappy. Most of Sense is just in the HTC launcher and associated widgets. You are free to use any of the 3rd party launchers instead and there are some very good ones out there like ADW EX, GO Launcher, and Launcher Pro Plus. The stock android launcher on GB is a real dog meaning very vanilla and ugly. CM7 Uses ADW instead of stock GB launcher. The stock HC launcher is not bad. The HC browser is a lot better than the GB too..
If you feel Sense is slowing you down, don't use it and use one of the 3rd party launchers instead. You can even use one of the home switcher utilities to switch between HTC sense and a different launcher on the fly and have totally different looks. The Flyer has plenty of memory so that's not a concern.
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Where does it lag? Well, where do I start? Let’s take a look at the home screens. The widgets are down right beautiful, no denying that, but when scrolling through home screens you’ll notice lag as the widgets auto update, not a completely fluid experience. I know I could always do without those widgets or leave those home screens blank but I shouldn’t have to. Paginated scrolling is another PITA, I realize what it does by design but it makes navigating choppy nonetheless. The scrolling view isn’t much better and resets itself on restart.
I’ve also run ADW-Ex on my flyer but it’s still not as fluid as I like. I think my Bionic is to blame for that though, it fly’s by comparison. I’m no Android newb and I know a thing or two about system tweaks. There’s no question that AOSP ROMs are faster and lighter than sense ROMs. The sense framework is deep rooted and heavy, hence the 300MB ROMs versus the sub 100MB aosp ROMS.
I’m not banging on sense, I’ve owned an Inspire 4G and Thunderbolt so I knew what I was getting myself into. Sense 3.0 is a better experience overall compared to 2.1 but for me the novelty wears off after a couple of days, with the exception of the lock screen, which is insanely polished. On my sense devices I’ve run every ROM and kernel imaginable and always ended going completely CM7 or a de-bloated and de-sensed ROM.
I’m willing to live with sense, because after all I did buy this tablet but AOSP would be welcome. I'm hoping these issues I've experienced will be stomped out when HC is released. Fingers crossed.
Well I think the sense widget behave pretty typically of android widgets.
It's always a trade off between data and battery usage and background update or on demand update. Vanilla ROMs will run faster perhaps, but doing what? If you are content with basic email and browsing then its fine, but once you load it up with apps and widgets, pretty much the same with less functionality (there is not a decent email widget on the market, for example).
After all, Sense or vaniila it's built on android and it is what it is. Not saying android is bad, its very good, but its built for limited hardware (compared to any laptop or PC) and there are trades to make things work in that environment. The HC browser is a big improvement and down the road Chrome is coming.
I think HTC has themselves in a bind though because of Sense's tight integration with underlying android data structures it slows their ability to roll out software updates. Of course the advantage is that Sense widgets often do what no 3rd party apps can do.
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Oh, and to answer the original post.
There is no reason why a motivated developer could not compile a AOSP vanilla Gingerbread ROM for the Flyer right now. Gingerbread source is available and HTC kernel source is available, so it is certainly doable if anyone desires to take on the project. But in most cases extra performance doesn't come from AOSP, it comes from custom kernels where the developer has fine tuned the kernel to the specific hardware for better performance, battery life, enable additional hardware features, etc.
I disagree with sense simply being an overlay, its more of an overhaul. Take a look at the framework and jars, sense is everywhere. That's why many sense ports to other devices have failed. It's more than just widgets and a launcher. It's built on Android but it's not like touchwiz or blur.
While I do agree that the kernel is a major factor the sense ui and its widgets are clunkier. I'll take a loaded aosp rom over a loaded sense rom in a speed test any day.
There is a downside to aosp, it's boring.
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My 2 cents on the topic:
AOSP for Flyer will only be available after ICS - probably 8-10 months from now.
I agree that aosp is boring and I don't find sense at all slow. I like updating widgets and notifications.
Maybe I shouldn't say "slow ", more like "slow-ish"
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I expect as more and more of the unique features from sense find their way into base android like they have in Honeycomb and ICS, that HTC will extract themselves from the frame work mods since the widgets can accomplish most of the same things without all that interaction. When android first appeared it basically did nothing and so HTC wrote sense which made their phones a lot more attractive than say the original Moto Droid which was a real plain-jane software wise. Without HTC sense and Cyanogen Mods custom ROMs , android certainly would not be where it is today.
Now that a lot of things are built-into Android APIs and exposed so that anyone can do a pretty good widget, I'm pretty sure HTC would rather concentrate on hardware with slight customized software like every other vendor. But , Google now owns Motorola and those new phones will have the inside track on software features. Plus Google has moved toward closing some aspects of certain apps like gmail so that its more difficult for outside vendors to build quality apps or widgets that interact with some parts of android.
Unless HTC's "Open Sense" effort really takes off, I would not be surprised to see them drop sense and produce devices with a more vanilla android sooner than later.
^^^Well put.
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Is the pen integration dependand on software from HTC. If someone were to port CM7 or even CM9, would we lose all pen functionality. Could it be somehow ported over from the HTC framework?
Currently the stylus depends on HTC's Stylus SDK and is heavily tied into HTC sense, but in Android ICS there is native support for generic digital stylus, so its conceivable that some functionality could be ported.
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Hummm, which keyboard do you have. Sense really has nothing to do with keyboards, that is built into Android. My bluetooth keyboard works fine with the stock Flyer. I have a HP keyboard and an Apple keyboard, both work great. As far as the remote, the functions would need a keymap , which is probably doable.
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Verbatim 97537 Wireless Bluetooth Mobile Keyboard and Zeemote Js1. Something deep within Sense prevents pairing to these devices I've tried many drivers as well but all have failed. I'm sure if the flyer would accept these devices keymap would-be no issue. I'm currently on Io ROM and can't wait till release of a US WiFi rom.
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Io ROM? Is that a custom ROM? What happens exactly when you try to pair? Do other devices, for instance headphones pair properly? There is nothing in Sense (Sense is basically the application launcher plus widgets) that deals with Bluetooth. There are plenty of things in any particular ROM build that can affect Bluetooth.
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Io ROM? Is that a custom ROM? What happens exactly when you try to pair? Do other devices, for instance headphones pair properly? There is nothing in Sense (Sense is basically the application launcher plus widgets) that deals with Bluetooth. There are plenty of things in any particular ROM build that can affect Bluetooth.
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Yes custom ROM but on all dev Roms I've tried this happens have also tried apps such as bluez ime. I do gaming and development its nice to be able to mount flyer hands free ie: via controllers.
Sorry, to answer question only on these types of devices do I have problems. For example my WiFi Bluetooth and slave components do not seem affected I use my Motorola rocker HD Bluetooth headphones quite a bit with the flyer and have no problem, also my big bulky mac WiFi keyboard works as well.
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Feel free to release your hate for touchwiz, i know we can use other apps to "fix" our phones but there's not an easy solution for everythin, gwhat are the things that you hate the most about it? In my opinion:
1.The lockscreen: Even tough i like the slider for received sms or missed calls i find it ridiculous, its slow and unpractical, you have to drag the wallpaper through 70% to unlock the phone
2.The launcher: its not that bad, but it is NOT smooth while flicking through the homescreens
3.The cheesy blue font, really samsung? a blue font in menus?
4.The messaging app: again the blue font, and the app it's just an iphone ripoff
5.The dialer/contacts: looks ugly and the image for the contacts its streched :/
6. Autobrightness also in the browser? huh? why?
7. Gallery on drugs? Its all sped up and is not overly responsive
8. No "," on the keyboard ( you have to switch to the special characters)
9. No option to deactivate just the keyboard vibration, in order to do it you must deactivate the vibration on the capacitive buttons too
10. Icons are really ugly
11. Hubs are pointless, the only non disposable one is the game hub
12. Samsung apps are horrendous, has someone download something useful from there?
13. No music widget? um why? i know there's a "shortcut" on the notification but a widget would have been nice
14. No text reflow on the browser
I should also mention that the camera app is better than stock android and i also like the way you change the wallpaper and add widgets, the browser is really smooth , is it true it has hardware
acceleration?
I know gingerbread is fugly but starting from ice cream sandwich just stick to making amazing hardware samsung
1. Normal Android and iOS, you have to drag an a thumb size **** for entire screen rather than anywhere of the screen, seems more hard to me.
2. Same on all androids... Try HTC next time.
3. Where did you get blue fonts? I don't see them
8. *cough* I have "." on keyboard. Do you by any chance use another launcher?
14. Actually text reflows on mine, and it is not TW launcher, it is android
Seriously dude, rest are just "objective" rather than facts.
I like TW and it is lighter than any other "default" launchers on rest of Android devices. Even sense on my friend's HTC's feels slow.
I hope Samsung does not give us butt-naked Android UI for ICS... TW4 is next best thing in Android other than core underground.
Please read why rest of Tech-editor hates Android's UI's, since I did not see much using SGS2... Beside it is not like Samsung locked you to use it. There are too many launchers out there...
I think TW is a good solid launcher. I dont use TW daily, but i dont agree with 90% of your points.
Same as the above poster really. i dont have blue fonts and also have a "." on the keyboard.
I'd strongly have to disagree with the not smooth on the home screens. Mine is seriously nippy.
Probably the only reason i dont use it is that i like to change my icons, so i will give you that one.
The stretching in the dial can be fixed by using a picture with the correct resoultion.
Do not feed the troll lads.
Why hate Touch Wiz? I don't get it !
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Do not feed the troll lads.
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I will leave some food by the bridge....
(Can you get a good phone signal underneath bridges?)
Touch wiz is too good to be criticised. Okay, some glitches but then nothing is perfect. It's so light and IMO it is awesome.
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The ONE thing made me switch is not being able to sort apps alphabetically..
I have to look for my apps Everytime !
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The ONE thing made me switch is not being able to sort apps alphabetically..
I have to look for my apps Everytime !
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Use appzorter from the market
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Use appzorter from the market
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Doesn't work at all for me, at least not the free version.
The deleted apps leaving holes in the app tray bugs me too.
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Feel free to release your hate for touchwiz, i know we can use other apps to "fix" our phones but there's not an easy solution for everythin, gwhat are the things that you hate the most about it? In my opinion:
1.The lockscreen: Even tough i like the slider for received sms or missed calls i find it ridiculous, its slow and unpractical, you have to drag the wallpaper through 70% to unlock the phone
2.The launcher: its not that bad, but it is NOT smooth while flicking through the homescreens
3.The cheesy blue font, really samsung? a blue font in menus?
4.The messaging app: again the blue font, and the app it's just an iphone ripoff
5.The dialer/contacts: looks ugly and the image for the contacts its streched :/
6. Autobrightness also in the browser? huh? why?
7. Gallery on drugs? Its all sped up and is not overly responsive
8. No "." on the keyboard ( you have to switch to the special characters)
9. No option to deactivate just the keyboard vibration, in order to do it you must deactivate the vibration on the capacitive buttons too
10. Icons are really ugly
11. Hubs are pointless, the only non disposable one is the game hub
12. Samsung apps are horrendous, has someone download something useful from there?
13. No music widget? um why? i know there's a "shortcut" on the notification but a widget would have been nice
14. No text reflow on the browser
I should also mention that the camera app is better than stock android and i also like the way you change the wallpaper and add widgets, the browser is really smooth , is it true it has hardware
acceleration?
I know gingerbread is fugly but starting from ice cream sandwich just stick to making amazing hardware samsung
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I agree 100% with everything! But you forgot the most annoying thing of all. The king of all annoyances! The child of Annoying Orange and Fred! The 100% battery charge notification!!! Who in their right mind would not think of including an option to turn it off?!
In all fairness, most of these issues (including the ball on leg on a hot summer's day battery notification) can be solved through different apps. But why should I?
edit: forgot to add that there is no stock android music widget (or any at all) in the widget list
i just love touchwiz no complains
kyleforge said:
Use appzorter from the market
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Thanks.. I am on custom rom anyway.
Was refering to stock TW limitation.
Cheers
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i heard that touchwiz will be updated to have 3*3 icons due to apple patent infringement.
and i heard that galaxy s will have ics without touchwiz like galaxy nexus.
i hope galaxy s2 get a non touchwiz ics update
1. Is it SO hard to move your finger two centimeters on any direction? Try other phones (HTC, Nexus).
2. Yes, it's quite good for most people. I don't really like it and i use Adw Launcher Ex. There's a lot free alternatives too.
3. What's wrong with these fonts? Are you aware of "Themes" section on this forum?
4. Yes, i totally agree on that one. It's an ifone rip off. On older ROMs at least we had an option to change theme, now it's gone. The only thing that really bugs me so much.
5. Pictures are fine for me and dialer app too. Would love to have an option to jump straight into favorites, instead of all contacts, though.
6. Yes and i love it! BTW, you can click "Menu" and disable it in no time.
7. That's slightly modded stock Android gallery and it's performance depends on amount of media files you have. Also, i guess you have some cheap class 2 SD card. And again, you can use QuickPic from Market, it's free and very fast.
8. I guess you meant "," not "." Yes, that's why i use Gingerbread Keyboard. Again, free on Market.
9. There's is an option to deactivate vibration for keyboard only. Settings - Language and keyboard - Samsung keyboard.
10. Personaly i love every single of them. Again, you can change any icon on this phone the way YOU like. It's Android
11-13 BS. Don't like them - don't use. Simple as that. And try some HTC phone and you will be surprised to find about 20 times more of bloatware.
14. Open browser - settings - auto-fit pages.
As i can see, you don't like every single bit on this phone. Why did you buy it? There's a good bunch of other phones.
And one tip: learn to use your phone, before blaming Samsung
I agree with some of your points, OP.
But the BIGGEST thing (at least in my experience) was how crappy Touchwiz performed compared to AOSP. Again, this is at least in my experience.
I hear good things about TW4 though.... I hope it's true!
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kingsrook14 said:
The ONE thing made me switch is not being able to sort apps alphabetically..
I have to look for my apps Everytime !
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I find it good that it sorts acc. to date. Makes it easier to find apps.
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iekansh said:
I find it good that it sorts acc. to date. Makes it easier to find apps.
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Totally agree. App drawer is one of those things that makes me wonder if i shall use TW instead of my current Adw Launcher Ex.
SiSL said:
1. Normal Android and iOS, you have to drag an a thumb size **** for entire screen rather than anywhere of the screen, seems more hard to me.
2. Same on all androids... Try HTC next time.
3. Where did you get blue fonts? I don't see them
8. *cough* I have "." on keyboard. Do you by any chance use another launcher?
14. Actually text reflows on mine, and it is not TW launcher, it is android
Seriously dude, rest are just "objective" rather than facts.
I like TW and it is lighter than any other "default" launchers on rest of Android devices. Even sense on my friend's HTC's feels slow.
I hope Samsung does not give us butt-naked Android UI for ICS... TW4 is next best thing in Android other than core underground.
Please read why rest of Tech-editor hates Android's UI's, since I did not see much using SGS2... Beside it is not like Samsung locked you to use it. There are too many launchers out there...
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No "," sorry, yes touchwiz is lighter than sense, but sense is so much better, swiping through the homescreen feels smoother, that ended with sense 3.0/3.5 it's even heavier and it feels kinda sluggish
Intratech said:
Do not feed the troll lads.
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I'm a troll because there are things i dont like about touchwiz? oh come on man
Chad_Petree said:
...but sense is so much better, swiping through the homescreen feels smoother, that ended with sense 3.0/3.5 it's even heavier and it feels kinda sluggish
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Sorry, but I'm not seeing anything other than opinion. The vast majority of people actually really like TW on the S2, rating it higher than the other launchers. As for Sense, that's just another Launcher. You may as well start a thread for your favourite word processor, stating how it's better than the others, and then one explaining why you really like a certain art package or database app.
So you prefer Sense to TW. You should have a HTC phone then, not a Samsung one.
I'm not asking which people like best, because I know that is highly subjective. What I want to know are which ROMs have all original S-Pen functions intact and if they have Samsung's apps too, that a bonus. I want a ROM that has more settings in the notification pull down and more theme options, but I don't want to give up the S-Pen functions that were one of the big reasons I got a Note. Any ideas?
did you know you can get gmt spen control from the market and use it with any rom? Then get an app like papyrus or memo, and you can set up custom gestures, or the original gestures if you like.
It works extremely well, and let's you try out cm based roms while still getting to use your s pen
crixley said:
did you know you can get gmt spen control from the market and use it with any rom? Then get an app like papyrus or memo, and you can set up custom gestures, or the original gestures if you like.
It works extremely well, and let's you try out cm based roms while still getting to use your s pen
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You, my friend, are my hero for the day! I absolutely did not know that. I've only had the phone like 2 days and have only been back on Android like 2 days. I was on Windows Phone for the past two years after about as long on Android and really got out of touch with Android during that time.
Also, what is the name of the app that gives you S-Pen control? I got a lot of results but quite a few of them seemed fairly shady.
JRDroid said:
You, my friend, are my hero for the day! I absolutely did not know that. I've only had the phone like 2 days and have only been back on Android like 2 days. I was on Windows Phone for the past two years after about as long on Android and really got out of touch with Android during that time.
Also, what is the name of the app that gives you S-Pen control? I got a lot of results but quite a few of them seemed fairly shady.
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gmd spen control root ( sorry I put gmt last night lol) it is like 5 bucks but fully worth it. You can make all the gestures you want it is seriously an awesome app.
the developer is good mood droid
Actually, I do want to know which ROMs have the SPen apps installed. Any ideas? I like the Samsung version of the SPen better.
Poriotis said:
Actually, I do want to know which ROMs have the SPen apps installed. Any ideas? I like the Samsung version of the SPen better.
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Almost any rom that is based on the recent 4.1.2 release will be able to run the S-Note app.
Try padawan jb 4.1.2
Here is the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1907203
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Anyone know why the spen gestures are now different on this new jb release? It was so much easier before with the simple Swype of the pen. Also no home gesture now.. ?
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I understand why people want to flash stock JB custom ROMS (me always having been one of them, for 3 phones now), but in the case of the GS4, why?
You would lose actual useful Samsung features like Multi Window (works ridiculously well), WatchON (to utilize the IR blaster), the mostly better Samsung camera app, S Health (some ppl use), and even some of the smart features like gestures, S Voice, and the eye tracking stuff.
Don't most people want at least some of these? I would never want to lose Multi Window (first time having this, especially when using Samsung Multi Window Manager to use any apps with it), WatchON, and the camera app, even having been a stock custom ROM freak for a long time with other phones.
This is the first time I feel that rooting, deodexing, debloating, and a few theme mods are enough to satisfy me (for now) mainly because I want these factory apps and features.
Anyone else?
just4747 said:
I understand why people want to flash stock JB custom ROMS (me always having been one of them, for 3 phones now), but in the case of the GS4, why?
You would lose actual useful Samsung features like Multi Window (works ridiculously well), WatchON (to utilize the IR blaster), the mostly better Samsung camera app, S Health (some ppl use), and even some of the smart features like gestures, S Voice, and the eye tracking stuff.
Don't most people want at least some of these? I would never want to lose Multi Window (first time having this, especially when using Samsung Multi Window Manager to use any apps with it), WatchON, and the camera app, even having been a stock custom ROM freak for a long time with other phones.
This is the first time I feel that rooting, deodexing, debloating, and a few theme mods are enough to satisfy me (for now) mainly because I want these factory apps and features.
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Ummmmm.....because I prefer stock AOSP over ALL that stuff combined?!?!?!?!
I have absolutely no use for any of the features you listed. Camera quality on AOSP will get there eventually.......and I don't use multi window.....and the other stuff is just bloat....
Just my opinion....
Your going to have people on both sides of this. Some want an AOSP like experience and consider all of these Samsung apps to be "Bloat".
IMO, I'd like to see a AOSP look and feel ROM, with some of the Samsung features in it. I'm sure someone will make something like that.
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Your going to have people on both sides of this. Some want an AOSP like experience and consider all of these Samsung apps to be "Bloat".
IMO, I'd like to see a AOSP look and feel ROM, with some of the Samsung features in it. I'm sure someone will make something like that.
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I agree, but honestly with some theming, Nova launcher, and a few app replacements, the phone on Touchwiz isn't much different whatsoever. I mean what, just the settings menus and some of the system apps? No big deal.
I don't get why anyone wouldn't want true multitasking like Multi Window provides (among the other things)...
Better lockscreen
Theme engine
More internal memory
More customization (although xposed is making that less of a difference)
Sometimes things like better Bluetooth stacks
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Schoat333 said:
Your going to have people on both sides of this. Some want an AOSP like experience and consider all of these Samsung apps to be "Bloat".
IMO, I'd like to see a AOSP look and feel ROM, with some of the Samsung features in it. I'm sure someone will make something like that.
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There are lots of de-sensed ROMs in the HTC world.
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brizey said:
There are lots of de-sensed ROMs in the HTC world.
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Exactly. They run really smooth too. We need some de-wized ROM's I guess :laugh:
brizey said:
Better lockscreen
Theme engine
More internal memory
More customization (although xposed is making that less of a difference)
Sometimes things like better Bluetooth stacks
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Unfortunately no matter how small the ROM is you won't get any of that space back.
Then if there was a de-Touchwized ROM, I'd take that lol. I want to keep these things but yes I too hate the small differences in Touchwiz that aren't easily changeable without custom ROMing.
Also, I actually like the Touchwiz lock screen a lot, that sunlight effect is sick and something to show off the screen with, and you can still use the widgets just like in AOSP.
just4747 said:
I understand why people want to flash stock JB custom ROMS (me always having been one of them, for 3 phones now), but in the case of the GS4, why?
You would lose actual useful Samsung features like Multi Window (works ridiculously well), WatchON (to utilize the IR blaster), the mostly better Samsung camera app, S Health (some ppl use), and even some of the smart features like gestures, S Voice, and the eye tracking stuff.
Don't most people want at least some of these? I would never want to lose Multi Window (first time having this, especially when using Samsung Multi Window Manager to use any apps with it), WatchON, and the camera app, even having been a stock custom ROM freak for a long time with other phones.
This is the first time I feel that rooting, deodexing, debloating, and a few theme mods are enough to satisfy me (for now) mainly because I want these factory apps and features.
Anyone else?
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How is the multi-window different from just holding down Home to access recent apps? I know it puts a side slide-out bar on top of everything. Just curious.
Schoat333 said:
Your going to have people on both sides of this. Some want an AOSP like experience and consider all of these Samsung apps to be "Bloat".
IMO, I'd like to see a AOSP look and feel ROM, with some of the Samsung features in it. I'm sure someone will make something like that.
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I agree! I love the AOSP look but I really like the samsung features. They have actually been really useful!
ch0use said:
How is the multi-window different from just holding down Home to access recent apps? I know it puts a side slide-out bar on top of everything. Just curious.
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you obviously havent seen this feature in use have you?
http://youtu.be/Q25QKx16Z8E
its 28s in
I have removed almost all of the Samsung apps I can't stand them so yeah can't wait for a stock jb rom, oh and as for the watchon app.. It sucks, smart remote is way better and way more intuitive.
Galaxy S4 posted it was from.
Tfast500 said:
you obviously havent seen this feature in use have you?
http://youtu.be/Q25QKx16Z8E
its 28s in
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Exactly.
just4747 said:
Exactly.
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Yeah, I stand corrected. That is pretty slick.
I came to this phone from the galaxy nexus. I wanted something different from stock Android. Don't get me wrong I love stock Android just wanted something different. I don't use all the s app and all the air view and motion stuff. But there are some I like and use and from what I can tell there is a Rom that leaves all the features on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2301724
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