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Remember the ad for the Touchpad? The one that uses "Works like nothing else" ?
As I'm sure you've probably already heard, Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:26 PM, Apple sent out an email ad that directly uses Hp's classic ad slogan.
What kind of marketing strategy is this supposed to be?
HP Using the Slogan
http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad.html
Apple Using the Same Slogan
http://images.apple.com/dm/us/11/4831/i/ttl.gif
Apple tends to steal things straight like this all the time, one of many reasons I hate the company. Remember what Jobs said: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
HP won't be needing it anymore
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
yareally said:
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
dhiral.v said:
This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
ah but there is a subtle distinction, HP's is WORK and Apple is everything. Probably enough of a difference to get by a court.
Well, I guess if that's how you dig up dirt on the competition, then I'm all for it...
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
muyoso said:
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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First, when HP made this ad the Touchpad was the same price as the iPad . . . I have preware, installed the first day I had the Touchpad, first thing I did with it after initial setup. I have done all due diligence to get this thing functional, and its not. The patch you speak of is not a fix. Its not a solution. Its exactly what you call it, a patch, over a gaping wound in the OS. Having to tap an icon to have it run the simple command line "stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio" is not a fix. Its a ridiculous workaround that should never have had to exist in the first place. One thing I have found though is that users of WebOS are some of the largest apologists for GAPING bugs I have ever met, especially over on precentral. Reminds me of Windows Mobile days. Here is evidence that I knew about this patch before your kind of snotty reply: http://forums.precentral.net/3164593-post194.html
Don't worry, the Touchpad IS for me. WebOS is what's not for me. It stinks in its current form, which is sad because of how much potential it has.
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nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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What are you even talking about? Tell me how to stop WebOS from losing sound, not how to restart it which I already knew using the Xterm method and which I already read about the patch over on precentral earlier today. Tell me how to get a semi functional browser which isn't ridiculously slow on WebOS. Not asking for anything to be handed to me. I am not the normal complainer who can't do 5 minutes of research. I have spent hours since I got this thing trying to fix bugs until I gave up and chose to wait for Android to be ported.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, my initial comment in this thread was a JOKE, which both of you took seriously. Remember what a joke is?
Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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I suggest making it more obvious you're joking next time, lol. This is the internet after all.
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
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They assume that everything was invented first by Apple. I told my friend about the new iOS notifications system on iOS 5 and how they, pretty much, stole it from android and his response was: "yea but look at how many things android has stolen." Talk about ignorance.
nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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It was a rather big stretch to tie in one's political viewpoint and observations with a posting on Apple stealing, lol.
You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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vast tech conspiracy
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A hacking group that goes by the name "Hack Anonymous" has successfully infiltrated several Sony websites including Sony.com and PlayStation.com.
Hack Anonymous has stated that it's declared war on Sony after the group claimed that the current Sony vs. George Hotz lawsuit is an attack on "free speech" and that Sony is abusing their customers' rights.
Anonymous also released a threatening video on YouTube, viewable below, describing it as a "message to Sony." At the time of writing this, it appears that Sony.com is now back up, however PlayStation.com still appears to be down. The hacking group has also warned that they plan to attack the PlayStation Network and PlayStation Store next.
Sony, at around the same time during the initial attacks, gave this statement to its PSN users:
"PSN currently undergoing sporadic maintenance. Access to the PSN may be interrupted throughout the day. We apologize for any inconvenience."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcSCUU4Fg9k&feature=player_embedded
/b/ ftw! go anon
they are just harvesting what they deserve...
You really think this is clever? I think it's pathetic. As a PlayStation owner, I am all for Sony putting a stop to PS3 hacks. I don't want online cheaters and I already pay enough for my games without pirates coming along and polluting the pond. Pirated games lead to inflated game prices. And when my PS3 wouldn't connect to PSN last night so I could play the SOCOM beta with my friends, I didn't blame Sony, I blamed the tossers at "Anonymous" who ruined my night's gaming.
It's not big, it's quite clever but it's not helpful or endearing. They really should get a life.
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You really think this is clever? I think it's pathetic. As a PlayStation owner, I am all for Sony putting a stop to PS3 hacks. I don't want online cheaters and I already pay enough for my games without pirates coming along and polluting the pond. Pirated games lead to inflated game prices. And when my PS3 wouldn't connect to PSN last night so I could play the SOCOM beta with my friends, I didn't blame Sony, I blamed the tossers at "Anonymous" who ruined my night's gaming.
It's not big, it's quite clever but it's not helpful or endearing. They really should get a life.
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Why do you assume everyone hacking is doing it for piracy or cheating reasons?
Your argument presupposes that this is all you can do with a hacked ps3...
You should have freedom to do more with your device if you desire, it's as simple as that.
Cheaters circumvented the system before the ps3 was even hacked.
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Yeah, and the games high price was because of.piracy... Even if the ps3 never got pirated games until last year... It is incredible how some people think piracy is the source of evil when is just a.consequence..
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Ungruntled said:
You really think this is clever? I think it's pathetic. As a PlayStation owner, I am all for Sony putting a stop to PS3 hacks. I don't want online cheaters and I already pay enough for my games without pirates coming along and polluting the pond. Pirated games lead to inflated game prices. And when my PS3 wouldn't connect to PSN last night so I could play the SOCOM beta with my friends, I didn't blame Sony, I blamed the tossers at "Anonymous" who ruined my night's gaming.
It's not big, it's quite clever but it's not helpful or endearing. They really should get a life.
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Aww boohoo. The only thing that inflates game prices is the idiot masses who are willing to fork out stupid money for medeocre titles. Yeah that's you. Piracy drives prices down, not up. There's this thing yeah, it's called economics, and in a market saturated by bootlegs the only way to compete with the bootleggers is to sell genuine products at rock bottom prices. Want proof of this simple fact of marketing? Take a look at how much Microsoft sells it's products for on the chinese market. If anything, the reason you pay through the nose is because you are subsidizing lower prices in non-domestic markets. Whether those markets existed at all is irrelevent because corporations like Sony will milk you for every penny you have as long as you are willing to bend over for them. Don't blame piracy my friend, blame your own stupidity.
I know what this topic is doing here... since it have no relation with Android, smartphones or even Xperia... not even the Sony (Entertainment) have anything to do with SonyEricsson.
Excellent
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Ungruntled said:
You really think this is clever? I think it's pathetic. As a PlayStation owner, I am all for Sony putting a stop to PS3 hacks. I don't want online cheaters and I already pay enough for my games without pirates coming along and polluting the pond. Pirated games lead to inflated game prices. And when my PS3 wouldn't connect to PSN last night so I could play the SOCOM beta with my friends, I didn't blame Sony, I blamed the tossers at "Anonymous" who ruined my night's gaming.
It's not big, it's quite clever but it's not helpful or endearing. They really should get a life.
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1. Get and xbox, you night will never again be ruined.
2. If that was so then we shouldn't have rooted and hacked our phones.
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Why do you assume everyone hacking is doing it for piracy or cheating reasons?
Your argument presupposes that this is all you can do with a hacked ps3...
You should have freedom to do more with your device if you desire, it's as simple as that.
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the reason is simple, what geohotz did enabled users to use piracy on their ps3 which is not fair to ppl like us who bought a game and enjoys it
it's simple as that
it has nothing to do with SE things, remember SE and SCE are different
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the reason is simple, what geohotz did enabled users to use piracy on their ps3 which is not fair to ppl like us who bought a game and enjoys it
it's simple as that
it has nothing to do with SE things, remember SE and SCE are different
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Yes but it also enables you to do lots of other awesome things that in no way involve piracy....
These slippery slope arguments are dumb. Having hands enables you to stab people, does this mean you should cut them off?
since the PS3 has been released in Australia, the prices for new games have consistently been over $100AUD. the average ps3 game is about $75AUD.
The price of games over here drive people to piracy, but the high prices have nothing to do with piracy (as is proven by the fact they have always been high).
Add to that the Australian governments lack of an R18+ rating and we are screwed over here!!!
i am between a rock and a hard place when it comes to things like this.....
(btw - isnt this a mobile phone forum??)
alankstiyo said:
the reason is simple, what geohotz did enabled users to use piracy on their ps3 which is not fair to ppl like us who bought a game and enjoys it
it's simple as that
it has nothing to do with SE things, remember SE and SCE are different
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How's it not fair?
They took the risk, and spend hundreds of hours to crack it, and they did. Now it is possible to get pirated games.
If the PS3 is anything like the xbox, you won't be able to play online on pirated games, and not enjoy any updates or things like that. How is that not fair to you?
If you enjoy the game, a pirated copy won't affect you in any way, as long as you don't choose to crack your PS3.
I think the real problem here is not the cracking but the ignorance some people have over this issue.
Im not saying this whole thing is about piracy, because i know theres more you can do that just that, and even pirated games cant be played online (but there are actually workarounds to still play online with pirated games, you can do it on the 360)...
Only thing I have to say on the whole issue of piracy is this: Piracy kills game consoles. Look at the Sega DreamCast, look at the original Sony PSP... Why did they die at a young age? Piracy... game developers (well good ones at least) spend MILLIONS of dollars in creating insanely amazing games (GoW, Gran Turismo, Heavenly Sword, etc etc), and what incentive do they have to continue to create "killer apps" on a certain console if they are NOT going to get paid for it?
So all in all, as long as its not for Piracy, im all for unlocking ur console and doing what you want with it...
And if anyone wants to know what im talking about regarding developing games and the costs and outcomes, and since this is a mobile phone forum, PLAY THE GAME "GAME DEV STORY" and see how ****ing hard it is to just MANAGE a FAKE game company lol you can get it on the android market...
that game is hard as hell, the very first time i played it it took me 10 years of developing games before i created a game of the year and broke like a million dollars in sales lol
What's hacking their website got to do with piracy?
Honestly what they did is pointless, just ruining everyone's evening by hacking PSN
It will not affect Sony, it will affect the users
Everyone is supporting them here! Well let me ask you this... Will you feel the same if you were hacked?
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TechGuru_x10 said:
So personal attacks are on, great. So your mother went and ****ed with some dog or wht that you are hiding your face. Why not have one on one anyday I will let you know how much I know. U guys are the one with stupid questions abt your phone not me. Android is new to me not the other technologies.
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Thats just low, what the frack are you on. This is a public forum.
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Tiny Wings Bounce you play as the bird who cant fly because he is too fat. However press anywhere on the lower and middle of screen and he can bounce.Collect yellow coins to add time on the timer , collect blue coins to add double yellow coins time to the timer. Windows mobile WVGA 800x480 resolution. For smooth performance turn off othe running apps.
Features:
Highscore save to challenge yourself over and over.
Background color changes to reflect time is running out.
Catchy music and sound-effects.
How to play
Tap anywhere on the screen to bounce
If you collect a yellow coin , tap again to do double and triple jumps.
Extra: If anyone can make a good video put it on youtube and here , I will send you a computer version you can play on your PC.
Original Tiny Wings game made by Andreas illger for iphone.
So what type of highscores does everyone have? 40,000 , 50,000 or 100,000 . I look forward to seeing screenshots posted.
Hi, I will get the ball rolling. After playing this addicting game for a while, my highest score thus far is 63,010 points.
Edit: My new high score is 84,170 points.
http://www.andreasilliger.com/
I hope you got permission for that audio.
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http://www.andreasilliger.com/
I hope you got permission for that audio.
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Well I got the audio from a video not his website. I love when people somehow become police around here. Iam not selling the game but providing freeware. I love it !!! I make a freeware game and someone always comes with copywrite stuff all the time.
Look Iam making games so that when people get bored they can play for FREE. Its not like Iam making a million dollars ripping someone off!!! Iam making zero,$0,nada,nothing from this game. I swear people start this non-sense because they have no life.
Well I'm not gonna do anything about it, but someone else might; people are police around here cuz xda as a whole is trying to keep a clean professional rep. In general, mobile piracy happens mostly on forums, and xda doesn't want to be associated with that.
The least you could do is say "inspired by" and "music / noises by" in your first post, and provide a link to the iOS game...
Also, it's not nonsense; the US government (and most of the world for that matter) haven't yet decided how to handle copyright cases, and so there are a lot of unreasonable consequences forced upon the defendant. Even for petty cases, the courts and government turn a blind eye to illegal responses (and in excessive force) by companies "protecting" their content. Even in something as small as this, for your own good, cover your back.
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Well I'm not gonna do anything about it, but someone else might; people are police around here cuz xda as a whole is trying to keep a clean professional rep. In general, mobile piracy happens mostly on forums, and xda doesn't want to be associated with that.
The least you could do is say "inspired by" and "music / noises by" in your first post, and provide a link to the iOS game...
Also, it's not nonsense; the US government (and most of the world for that matter) haven't yet decided how to handle copyright cases, and so there are a lot of unreasonable consequences forced upon the defendant. Even for petty cases, the courts and government turn a blind eye to illegal responses (and in excessive force) by companies "protecting" their content. Even in something as small as this, for your own good, cover your back.
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So in your mind me using the music is equivelent to piracy. So how about all the
ROMs and android working on windows mobile , do you think thats legal?
If you didnt know Tiny Wings is an iphone game , which most people do , its not my fault.
Look at flash games that use mario or sonic , look at the internet as a whole. Piracy is giving away payed goods for free or making money off of someones work.
Obviously you dont even know the definition of Piracy if you think Iam a pirate Hahahahaha . Now thats too funny , also Mr.Andreas already knows about my port and doesnt care .
Freeware=Piracy LOL!!!
I do not think this is piracy, I merely pointed out that forums such as these are easily susceptible to unknowingly hosting several kinds of illicit data. If whatshisface is ok with it so be it, but I still think you should give him credit for the idea out of common decency.
I have not been attacking you at all, so stop being overly defensive.
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I do not think this is piracy, I merely pointed out that forums such as these are easily susceptible to unknowingly hosting several kinds of illicit data. If whatshisface is ok with it so be it, but I still think you should give him credit for the idea out of common decency.
I have not been attacking you at all, so stop being overly defensive.
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In a way you have been attacking him and continue too by calling his game illicit data.. are you an xda Mod? No i didn't think so, so stop trying to police this thread!! If you have a problem with it use the report button thats what it's there for!! Can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't get defensive if you spent countless hours making fun games to share for FREE, then instead of getting thanked, all you get in return is "I hope you got permission for that audio."? Give OP a break, I'm sure if it was such a problem xda wouldn't allow him to continually share his works here!!
@ Op.. Thanks again for sharing all your fun games with us!!
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In a way you have been attacking him and continue too by calling his game illicit data.. are you an xda Mod? No i didn't think so, so stop trying to police this thread!! If you have a problem with it use the report button thats what it's there for!! Can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't get defensive if you spent countless hours making fun games to share for FREE, then instead of getting thanked, all you get in return is "I hope you got permission for that audio."? Give OP a break, I'm sure if it was such a problem xda wouldn't allow him to continually share his works here!!
@ Op.. Thanks again for sharing all your fun games with us!!
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I am merely giving a friendly warning. Technically, it isn't legal even if it's non profit...
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I am merely giving a friendly warning. Technically, it isn't legal even if it's non profit...
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Again let xda deal with it if it's not legal! I still fail to see how your comment "I hope you got permission for that audio" translates to a so called friendly warning? You would have pm'ed him your message or would have worded it differently if your intent was to be friendly. To me it seems like your trying to start trouble here and get it removed.
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ROMs and android working on windows mobile , do you think thats legal?
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Also, yeah, this stuff is perfectly legal.
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Again let xda deal with it if it's not legal! I still fail to see how your comment "I hope you got permission for that audio" translates to a so called friendly warning? You would have pm'ed him your message or would have worded it differently if your intent was to be friendly. To me it seems like your trying to start trouble here and get it removed.
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Instead of "letting xda deal with it", you could, you know, give credit and cover your back so xda doesn't have to deal with it. If I were trying to get it removed, I would have actually done something. Talking to you guys about covering your backs isn't starting trouble...
Also, "friendly warning" = no repercussions. I'm warning him, I'm not calling him out on it or tipping off anyone. I'm not being nice about it either, because not giving credit to the author is very discourteous, legality aside.
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Instead of "letting xda deal with it", you could, you know, give credit and cover your back so xda doesn't have to deal with it. If I were trying to get it removed, I would have actually done something. Talking to you guys about covering your backs isn't starting trouble...
Also, "friendly warning" = no repercussions. I'm warning him, I'm not calling him out on it or tipping off anyone. I'm not being nice about it either, because not giving credit to the author is very discourteous, legality aside.
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No actually that would be warning = no repercussions. You claimed "friendly" when there's been nothing friendly about any of your posts in this thread. You're acting as if he took the original, resized it, and is now calling it his own or as if he owes you something. Like I said if it was such a problem xda would/could make appropriate changes not you!! You shared your views and gave your "friendly" warning to the op so move on already!!
I ,like many other users, appreciate the hard work and time OP puts into bringing us all these amazing games! So lets get this thread back on track.. Any new high scores out there??
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No actually that would be warning = no repercussions. You claimed "friendly" when there's been nothing friendly about any of your posts in this thread. You're acting as if he took the original, resized it, and is now calling it his own or as if he owes you something. Like I said if it was such a problem xda would/could make appropriate changes not you!! You shared your views and gave your "friendly" warning to the op so move on already!!
I ,like many other users, appreciate the hard work and time OP puts into bringing us all these amazing games! So lets get this thread back on track.. Any new high scores out there??
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Why don't you let OP fight his own battles, please?
Look Timmy Marsh is the Moderator for this forum. If he says its ok then its ok end of story.
1)This game is all over the internet , no problems as the developer Andreas knows about this game.
2)Also everybody knows about the iphone game that Andreas made. Its like angry birds , everyone knows who made that game.
3)I never ever said I originally made this game. All I say is I brought it here for everyone to enjoy.
So your one of the few people who are still waiting for developers to make iphone/ipod games for windows mobile6.1,6.5. Its never going to happen , we never gotten that type of support. XDA-developers was started because Micro-soft didnt give windows mobile proper support . I got sick and tired of not having games that I want on my phone , so now I make them. I share them here so other people can play too. ALL FREE! The reason I get upset is because people always complaining I stole someone works which is ridiculous.
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Look Timmy Marsh is the Moderator for this forum. If he says its ok then its ok end of story.
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I am not saying this is a rip off, or is stolen, or etc. But unless you acknowledge the source, you kind of give off that impression. That was my initial impression; and now I see that impression was wrong ONLY after we've had this argument. Which brings me to my next point;
The reason I get upset is because people always complaining I stole someone works which is ridiculous.
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Maybe if you posted a link to the original work, people would stop getting that idea. Just acknowledge the author or source some way, as standard procedure. If you clearly mention right off the bat; "This is a clone of the game [x] for the [y]" then no one will think you're hiding something, or covering it up.
"I never ever said I originally made this game. All I say is I brought it here for everyone to enjoy."
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While technically correct, this is misleading; if you have no problem admitting this is a clone, why not just say... this is a clone of [insert source here]? Don't be misleading, that arouses suspicion.
I never mis-lead anyone , how long have you been here? I have made Mario games, doodle jump,angry birds etc. Games everyone knows I didnt come up with myself. If you didnt know who made those big games by now I would be shocked!
Now the way you just carried on and keep going , Iam %100 sure you wanted to start a fight. The conversation is going no-where and what your saying right now is sounding real stupid. Your going to tell me people dont know who made Super Mario,doodle jump,angry birds, or tiny wings , thats a laugh.
Iam supposed to post a link to an iphone game that doesnt even run on windows mobile , are you serious? Thats the stupidest thing I heard yet , thanks for the laugh by the way. You said its legal to change ROMs and run Android on windows mobile shows me you dont even know what your talking about. Did you know Microsoft tried to shut down XDA because of ROM a long time ago? No you didnt. Did you know apple tried to sue when XDA had a iphone screen run on windows mobile? No you didnt. All you know is how to harrass me , hahahaha. Go make an original game post it here and show me how its done LOL.
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Your going to tell me people dont know who made Super Mario,doodle jump,angry birds, or tiny wings , thats a laugh.
Iam supposed to post a link to an iphone game that doesnt even run on windows mobile , are you serious?
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I know of super mario, but I have never heard of doodle jump or angry birds. I happen to know of tiny wings by chance; don't assume that everyone knows about a game just because of popularity. And I think we can safely assume that the users here know an iOS app won't run on their wm device, but that isn't the purpose of posting a link; listing the source for any work is just a standard and respectable practice... Your seniority in this forum doesn't change that fact, nor does it have anything to do with this argument...
I'm not going to address the rest of your comment, but I will say this; just because a company whines about something doesn't make it illegal (they probably wish it was). Those were accusations, nothing more.
I am not looking for a fight, I merely continued because I thought you would listen to reason, but apparently we just cannot agree on this point... and since you don't seem to be able to carry out an argument without resorting to ad hominem, I'm ending my involvement here.
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I'm ending my involvement here.
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I agree with link68759 with the music, Andreas Illiger explicitly states that the Tiny Wings music "is not for use in other movies, games, tv shows, etc. and you should not earn any money with it or distribute it in any form."
Hi everyone!
I already replied in some other posts about this, but I really think this topic deserves a new thread, because the things going on are truly interesting.
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
What surprises me most, is an answer the new CEO gave during an Interview, about the WebOS devices future:
"The question now before us is what do we do with webOS software and do we come back to market with webOS devices," Whitman said. "It obviously will not be the same device but it will be version 2.0."
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That 2.0 makes me sort of confused and curious at same time.
In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
I was just concerned about them using the TouchPad to revive their PC business. Aren't their PC's good enough on their own? Guess not. Whatever.
If the plan was to stop making the TP1 available to make way for the TouchPad2. That would make sense.
Course, with HP, it's just this:
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Or was, now with Meg Whitman on board, it's like this:
I think if there was ever a possibility to get more webOS into our hands, they hired the right woman for the job.
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Hi everyone!
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
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In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
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Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
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Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
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Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
If that would be the case, I'd be really happy if things will be compatible with current TP, I'm not concerned about WebOS itself, but more about new portings on this hardwares.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
And despite the fact that it is one of the newer tablets, it is a new tablet!
The HP TouchPad was well received, it's one of few concerns was the hardware. Which isn't bad, it's just different.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
It could go either way. They could sell it, to which end who knows. Or they could keep it, to which end who knows. Or they can sell parts of it and keep parts of it, to which end who knows.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
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Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
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Don't confuse "Touchpads" with "Tablets" yet to be developed. Meg used similar language when she spoke to the HP Employees back when the decision to keep PSG was announced. She indicated that for HP to stay in the Personal Computer Market they would have to have a tablet offering, but that it would address the business market, not the consumer market.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
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AMEN!!!!
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
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Yes there are updates, but it makes all the sense in the world. There is still a large division within HP that is working on WebOS and all of this is supposed to enhance the value of WebOS as they try to sell it to someone. HP would be stupid to just stop development and watch the value go completely to zero.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
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The Touchpad was a consumer play. There's no guessing about what happens next. Like I said before "normal" consumers only want one of two things, iOS or Android. It doesn't mean that either one of them are better than WebOS. When is the last time you saw a movie released on BetaMAX or even HD-DVD.
Don't get me wrong... I love my TP and I think WebOS has a lot of virtues, Apple and Google just had too big a head start and in an effort to differentiate themselves from the myriad of Android Tablets, HP took a shot at WebOS.
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People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
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The HP TouchPad was well received, ...
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Only at firesale prices. Why the heck do you think HP killed it.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
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Yep. That's all good.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
HP touchpad n stuff
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google doesn't push tablets ......
tablets push google .
xD
srsly
another thing is why are people treating this device like a G1 or something.
It wouldn't make any sense for CM to not continue supporting the TP.
most of the hard work has been done, why would they stop now?
Not only that, but the TP has a large user base.
Just because you don't see 50,000 roms in the forums, doesn't meant it's dead.
Most are merely waiting for ICS to drop.
I know I am. I know a group of us are going to be working on getting ICS on the TP once source gets released.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
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And you're talking a person who owns an iPad, iPhone and a TouchPad, whoa! That's just impossible! Lol
The fat lady has not sung. The TouchPad tragicomedy is just filled with twists and turns and surprises around every corner. Until then, people are going to be doing what they've been doing: sitting in the dug out until the next play is made.
If there was a better tablet, I would have moved on a long time ago. But it's just too good to put down.
The tablet market needs tablets like the TouchPad or it will continue to get stale.
So, I would say there's a high possibility. I feel like the new HP is different from the old HP, Meg Whitman knows how to please.
But even if nothing happens, the TouchPad is perfectly fine as is. And ICS is gonna make it even better.
I really appreciate your replies!
I wish I could help somewhat developing an ICS port for the Touchpad, though I'm still too newbie on that (never done something different from re-compiling a new kernel for my smartphone).
I really hope community will continue to develop on this device, lots of ROM's are anyway pointless, the main things are stable releases of Android OSs!
At any rate, I'm still curious about WebOS future and HP next steps on this, so please share any news/opinion you got!
I got a TP anticipating an android port. Playing with webOS while waiting, I came to the decision that I prefered it to what I expected of android for the screen size. Since the CM alpha release, I haven't had reason to change my original opinion. Mind you, I run CM nightlies on my G2, 1.9hhz OC, etc. Android is great for phones, but unless ICS makes some very serious changes I think it can still lose marketshare to a better os.
The question is if HP will commit the right resources to a real try at the market or pull the same ***t a second time.
Sadly, the only thing I am really hoping to see would be Ubuntu with the Unity interface.
Sent from my very "non-stock" TP.
Alright. The forums are filled with speculation, rumours, facts and a lot of first-adopters under caffeine addiction and patience measurable by a microscope.
For many of you this might be a first 'early adoption' attempt. I've been in a few (most recently with Galaxy Nexus just a month ago), so let me just point out a few things that makes this Prime fiasco not sound like a fiasco at all.
There is no such thing as a world wide launch, or even a US/Europe launch, for a flagship device that does not have supply issues. Every flagship device released has supply issues. We live in times where the demand for flagship devices far outweigh the ability to manufacture. This is why Apple (sometimes) starts production much earlier than others since their demand is -even higher- than any device released by Asus or Samsung. But even they get hit by supply issues and some stores or countries don't get the device for months, if at all. Thus, trust me when I say this, a high demand and problematic supply is a good sign. If you are an early adopter of something that does not have a high demand and supply problems, the product might not be as good as you hope.
If they were to manufacture quicker then the price would go up. There are human resources behind product manufacturing, which are limited. And not only is it limited by human resources, but also by supply of parts from partners that end up in the final device. If you had a choice of 'waiting longer' for a cleaner launch (so they could manufacture more devices by the time of launch) or having Asus release products a little sooner to satisfy early adopter interest, we all know we would rather get it sooner rather than later, even if some of us have to wait longer (we are selfish like that). So it is better that at least some of us, who pre-ordered very early and got lucky with the seller, will get the device this month instead of delayed launch in January or later.
Another reason why companies release products sooner is because it is a race. While they can manufacture only certain amount, if they held back a release to have more devices during launch, they would be a month or even more closer to the time when the device becomes outdated. This is especially true with Android tablets that simply do not carry the word of mouth of an iPad or a content ecosystem of Kindle Fire. Android tablets are a niche device which competes in market dominated not by software, but by specs. It is more beneficial for Asus to get the product out quicker from sales standpoint, even if they are unable to manufacture to meet the early demand.
This issue seems huge and bad for you. But to everyone outside the circle, no one is even aware. You simply think this is the worst launch in the history of tech launches, when in fact this type of launch is more common than the changing of socks. Asus and every other company goes through couple of launches like that every year. This here is nothing special, there's no point trying to make it sound like it is. The reason why tech portals are not full of huge discussions about Asus and Transformer Prime launch is because it is not at all a major issue in tech world.
And companies know this. Both sellers and manufacturers know about the impatience of early adopters who place pre-orders often even before they know what the device is about. Reality is that early adopters are a very small percentage of the people who end up buying the product. Upsetting early adopters at a time when the product is not even widely advertised does not damage Asus sales. They are used to it and in fact so is every other company.
Tech problems are also common with devices. In fact I don't know a flagship device that does not come with a quirk or two. Galaxy Nexus smartphone launch involved the phone not working properly on 2G networks which was a major, major issue. A hardware manufacturing flaw. But it was fixed with a software update so it became a non-issue. You can add Apple's Antennagates and battery issues to this pile too. Small issues get blown out of proportion because of user expectation after paying a lot of money. Companies do their best to fix these problems. If Prime is affected by weaker WiFi signal, well, it simply is not perfect. It is also not as fast in certain aspects compared to iPad 2, so what? If you are really disappointed you should wait for something better, but expecting a device to be flawless is silly since it is just not going to happen.
The reason why customer support does not respond to you with all the details in the world is because the customer support does not know. Product launch and manufacturing is something that involves thousands of people and hundreds of companies. Sellers do their best to get their orders, Asus does their best to meet the demand. And every day you ask about the product, that customer support person has gone through many just like you before you contact them. You, an early adopter, who keeps bombing the customer support every day, are just a drop in the pond. You have no idea how low priority it is for any company to deal with your epic problem that is really just about you getting a product few weeks early.
If you want to cancel your pre-order, go ahead and do it. But do not think that any seller or Asus is affected by your canceling. They will sell their items regardless. Do not cancel the pre-order for wrong reasons. If you really want another device or wait for another device, do it. But don't cancel a pre-order just out of bitterness, you'll regret it a month down the road.
I know that we are all frustrated since we want the product right now. Some of us have already paid the full price, some of us have paid even more (I'm paying 20% extra for customs fees from the product and courier shipping). But this is just a product. Unless your friend is a freak of nature like you are about product launches, you will still get a shiny Transformer Prime before your friends and family to show off and feel great about.
I, for one, am glad to have ordered Prime. I will get it and so will you. Just be a little more patient.
holy wall of text, tldr
can u repeat that i wast really paying attention.......... its the 12th lets hope there was some truth
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LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!
I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
ask a verizon customer waiting for the Gnex if this is a bad launch !
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I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
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and your not cool for caring about peoples whining, i could never imagine giving enough ****s to right/read a sentence about the haters/whiners.
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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Exactly.
And what is more amusing is that Asus has not -lied- to anybody, yet people act as if they have. They came out with as official as possible release date on 1st of December and no one believed them. They said 12/19, which they universally pushed all to 19 because of higher-than-expected demand for Prime. A lot of people shot it down though for the simple reason of it being later than they would like it to be, even going as far as saying that this 19 didn't even come from Asus.
I can understand frustration if majority of November pre-orders are not covered by Christmas, but today is only 12th of December.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
theres a fire a-comin.... so hide yo keeds, hide yo...
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It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
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Trolls aren't wanted here. Go Away and troll somebody else..
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Anybody else wish that all Transformer Prime discussion was still limited to those three threads on the TF1 forum? At least there would be some level of moderation, that we do not have at all here yet.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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Real reason for this is that majority of devices don't have their own forums, which do exist here. So it brings in non-developers even though the forums name is 'xda developers'.
It's not bad, XDA is still a tremendous resource and the development subforums are a great source of quality information, but general threads are populated with repeat questions and rumour-mongering, as is evident in the case of Prime, a device that not many of us have spent any time with.
I've run product marketing/management in many of my positions. To a large extent, what you covered in your missive is true. Launching a new product successfully is a study in project management. There are thousands of tasks that all have to be orchestrated and there are many dependencies and there are some things can only be done sequentially. There's an axiom in product management: you can have it good, fast, or cheap - pick two. My guess is the CEO of Asus who is somewhat of a cowboy demanded "fast" to beat other competitors to market. That pretty much screws the product management team who is forced to make concessions with their carefully created project plan/timeline and forego the quality of the launch for the sake of speed.
There are quite a few clues that something funky is going on with the launch of the Prime.
1) Clearly the types and quantities of product are lower than originally estimated. The fact that some colors/sizes are available in some places and not others is a clue. And the launch date sliding by weeks very close in means they allowed themselves no cushion to deal with issues that inevitably come up with a product launch. That or they miscalculated which is never a good sign. Amazon, who is really good at selling stuff, didn't randomly take pre-orders without some sort of quantity commitment. Something changed and fairly close to launch. The fact that they pulled the product completely probably means they lost confidence in Asus' commitments; at least for the time being.
2) Until the device is in fairly widespread use we won't know if there are potential h/w or s/w issues. The fact than some reviewer units and early units in Taiwan are having Wi-Fi issues may be early production challenges or a potential design issue. The fact that reviewers with problem units sent them back and got units without issues is both good and bad. The fact Asus knew what the problem was and fixed it means that, at a stage very close to launch, they're finding things that are typically identified much earlier in the process.
3) Asus is smaller compared to its peers. Based on last quarter's financials they generate half the revenue of Acer another Taiwanese tech company. The combination of fewer resources, a demanding CEO, set-in-stone deadlines and working with new technology (Teg3 and ICS) isn't a recipe for quality and timeliness. And being smaller, they get less preferential treatment and pricing from vendors supplying the components they use to assemble their products. And the TF1 wasn't a beacon of quality at launch and the Prime is a much more complex device.
4) There's been a lot of discussion about the complexity of fabricating the Teg3 SoC. Other things like the all metal casing are new too. There may be production or supply issues with components being manufactured by third parties for the Prime that are beyond Asus' control. Regardless, you don't typically set a launch date until all those risks are identified and mitigated.
So, the statement that all product launches are challenging is true - in every industry. Asus said they plan to sell a million tablets in 2012 of which I'm assuming the Prime is the majority. The launch will be quickly forgotten. How well Asus did with the Prime will be judged months from now.
I am very sad to say it but I have cancelled my order. I just cant justify paying what this phone costs for something that wont even let me use Android Auto and keeps switching Google apps to Oppo even after setting Google apps as default. I will continue to lurk and hope for a day when we see this phone released with a Global version. Thanks to everyone for all your answers and feedback, it is appreciated.
Anyone want to buy an Oppo light Gray case…should be arriving at my door any day now
You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
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You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
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It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N.
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Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
future3 said:
Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
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For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
Admiral Oden said:
For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
View attachment 5507839
Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
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I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
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99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
future3 said:
Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
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@future3 got a PM
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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And I thank you for that as well sir!
Hey you guys, nothing this trivial is worth arguing over, we have enough garbage to deal with nowadays to not get pissed over this. I appreciate everyone's help and feedback for and against. I am just looking for everyone's honest opinion and I always get that here without question. As I have stated previously I have messed around with phones since the original Mi Mix but I am passed the stage of wanting to do that anymore, I just want my phone to work...who knows, global version maybe or late news is looking like maybe the Google Pipet might be Find N like so we will see. Ideally that would be perfect...a Google foldable in the flavor of the Find N with pure Android...yes please
Thanks again to everyone!
You have made a great choice. Great hardware, poor software with way too many irritations. I sold mine 2 days after getting it.
Good luck to those jumping off; but I've been using the Find N a week now, and very happy with it (Fold is going on sale shortly). It's just an all around better package with better trade offs (for me) than my Fold. Every phone has trade offs, and it is true there are some things that might not work yet (Android Auto) and some that are annoying (aggressive battery); but with the Fold the form factor is just not quite right (for me), and it always felt like a folded in half iPad Mini which doesn't fit comfortably in the pocket; where the outer screen is too tall and the keyboard too narrow such that the outer screen isn't very usable; and then the weight in the hand is unwieldy due to the length. I can understand if there are deal breakers for some (such as for those where Android Auto is a must have), but so far there aren't any for me.
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What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
Tahot said:
What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
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No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
conceptgate said:
No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
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Haha got it! enjoy it
All Samsung Fold's are even not close to this phone's build quality, if this phone came with global version than for the moment no any fold can be a competitor.