Hi everyone!
I already replied in some other posts about this, but I really think this topic deserves a new thread, because the things going on are truly interesting.
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
What surprises me most, is an answer the new CEO gave during an Interview, about the WebOS devices future:
"The question now before us is what do we do with webOS software and do we come back to market with webOS devices," Whitman said. "It obviously will not be the same device but it will be version 2.0."
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That 2.0 makes me sort of confused and curious at same time.
In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
I was just concerned about them using the TouchPad to revive their PC business. Aren't their PC's good enough on their own? Guess not. Whatever.
If the plan was to stop making the TP1 available to make way for the TouchPad2. That would make sense.
Course, with HP, it's just this:
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Or was, now with Meg Whitman on board, it's like this:
I think if there was ever a possibility to get more webOS into our hands, they hired the right woman for the job.
Sippolo said:
Hi everyone!
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
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In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
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Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
mshilly said:
Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
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Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
If that would be the case, I'd be really happy if things will be compatible with current TP, I'm not concerned about WebOS itself, but more about new portings on this hardwares.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
And despite the fact that it is one of the newer tablets, it is a new tablet!
The HP TouchPad was well received, it's one of few concerns was the hardware. Which isn't bad, it's just different.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
It could go either way. They could sell it, to which end who knows. Or they could keep it, to which end who knows. Or they can sell parts of it and keep parts of it, to which end who knows.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
Sippolo said:
Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
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Don't confuse "Touchpads" with "Tablets" yet to be developed. Meg used similar language when she spoke to the HP Employees back when the decision to keep PSG was announced. She indicated that for HP to stay in the Personal Computer Market they would have to have a tablet offering, but that it would address the business market, not the consumer market.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
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AMEN!!!!
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
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Yes there are updates, but it makes all the sense in the world. There is still a large division within HP that is working on WebOS and all of this is supposed to enhance the value of WebOS as they try to sell it to someone. HP would be stupid to just stop development and watch the value go completely to zero.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
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The Touchpad was a consumer play. There's no guessing about what happens next. Like I said before "normal" consumers only want one of two things, iOS or Android. It doesn't mean that either one of them are better than WebOS. When is the last time you saw a movie released on BetaMAX or even HD-DVD.
Don't get me wrong... I love my TP and I think WebOS has a lot of virtues, Apple and Google just had too big a head start and in an effort to differentiate themselves from the myriad of Android Tablets, HP took a shot at WebOS.
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DreamOWD said:
People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
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See my response to Sippolo
The HP TouchPad was well received, ...
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Only at firesale prices. Why the heck do you think HP killed it.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
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Yep. That's all good.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
HP touchpad n stuff
DreamOWD said:
HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
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google doesn't push tablets ......
tablets push google .
xD
srsly
another thing is why are people treating this device like a G1 or something.
It wouldn't make any sense for CM to not continue supporting the TP.
most of the hard work has been done, why would they stop now?
Not only that, but the TP has a large user base.
Just because you don't see 50,000 roms in the forums, doesn't meant it's dead.
Most are merely waiting for ICS to drop.
I know I am. I know a group of us are going to be working on getting ICS on the TP once source gets released.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
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And you're talking a person who owns an iPad, iPhone and a TouchPad, whoa! That's just impossible! Lol
The fat lady has not sung. The TouchPad tragicomedy is just filled with twists and turns and surprises around every corner. Until then, people are going to be doing what they've been doing: sitting in the dug out until the next play is made.
If there was a better tablet, I would have moved on a long time ago. But it's just too good to put down.
The tablet market needs tablets like the TouchPad or it will continue to get stale.
So, I would say there's a high possibility. I feel like the new HP is different from the old HP, Meg Whitman knows how to please.
But even if nothing happens, the TouchPad is perfectly fine as is. And ICS is gonna make it even better.
I really appreciate your replies!
I wish I could help somewhat developing an ICS port for the Touchpad, though I'm still too newbie on that (never done something different from re-compiling a new kernel for my smartphone).
I really hope community will continue to develop on this device, lots of ROM's are anyway pointless, the main things are stable releases of Android OSs!
At any rate, I'm still curious about WebOS future and HP next steps on this, so please share any news/opinion you got!
I got a TP anticipating an android port. Playing with webOS while waiting, I came to the decision that I prefered it to what I expected of android for the screen size. Since the CM alpha release, I haven't had reason to change my original opinion. Mind you, I run CM nightlies on my G2, 1.9hhz OC, etc. Android is great for phones, but unless ICS makes some very serious changes I think it can still lose marketshare to a better os.
The question is if HP will commit the right resources to a real try at the market or pull the same ***t a second time.
Sadly, the only thing I am really hoping to see would be Ubuntu with the Unity interface.
Sent from my very "non-stock" TP.
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Hello, I've never owned a tablet of any kind but decided that I want one. After doing some research I found the Viewsonic gtablet as one that is in my price range. I've read about the good hardware, and the modding required for the software so I understand the work required. I've done extensive work on my desktop, so the modding doesn't worry me.
My biggest concern is that the reviews go from really bad to really good. Is this tablet worth it once you do the required modding?
Thanks, appreciate the input.
the tablet is completely worth it, in my opinion. I have absolutely nothing bad to say about the Gtablet...
that being said...I have nothing good to say about Viewsonic. They have let us down every chance they get. We asked for updates in April...they gave us one, then pulled it a day later (that lead to the 1.1 vs 1.2 bootloader issues). We requested that they enable us to run gingerbread or honeycomb with the proper drivers. They told us that it wasn't possible. Nvidia told us that if the "hardware partner" requested drivers, that they would support it. Just reently, though, Viewsonic claimed that they DID request drivers from Nvidia, but that Nvidia claimed that they wouldn't support our hardware past Froyo. SO, who is to be believed, Viewsonic, or Nvidia. the jury is still out on that one. I've asked Nvidia to confirm whether or not Viewsonic requested anything from them, and whether Nvidia erally did deny the request.
There is no evidence that Viewsonic is working on an update to their still crippled stock firmware. There is no evidence that Viewsonic handles any customer service or technical service requests in house. They've basically tried to sweep the Gtablet under the rug and abandon all of it's users.
So, in conclusion...i love my Gtablet, but in no way would I ever recommend that anyone buy anything from Viewsonic, considering how they've treated their customers.
I recommend the ipad to everyone I talk to. That's just a personal rule I've come up with.
That said, if you decide to get the vs gtab, please visit my website linked in the signature. All necessary files are either provided free or linked to the necessary sites. A donation would be nice, but it's entirely of your choosing. The most important thing is to follow my instructions down to the letter.
The gtab is still alive because of the developers working on the rom, like this xda forum...viewsonic has basically throw them away
XDA DEVELOPER FTW
Well, the gtab is still quite popular. I received a brand new gtab as a gift and put it up for sale on amazon. Within 1 hour, I had a buyer. So, there are still lots of people who want it. If you think about it, it's still a perfectly good piece of hardware. The problem is those damn corporate dumbasses from viewsonic who couldn't look past their own corporate jets.
All we've asked for are the damn drivers and they won't even give them to us.
Thanks for the opinions. I'm not in the market for an iPad due to the price. It's hard to justify that amount for something that is a luxury rather than a necessity.
I'm going to take a look at picking up the gtab, especially since it's on sale again.
Tusck said:
Thanks for the opinions. I'm not in the market for an iPad due to the price. It's hard to justify that amount for something that is a luxury rather than a necessity.
I'm going to take a look at picking up the gtab, especially since it's on sale again.
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Really, if an iPad 2 is out of your price range, then the G Tablet is a great introduction to the world of tablets. There is a wide range of excellent custom ROMs for it.
For me, the only major feature that is lacking is video calls with Skype. Otherwise, for casual Web browsing, watching Netflix, and other common tablet-friendly stuff, it is a great option at a great price.
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Remember the ad for the Touchpad? The one that uses "Works like nothing else" ?
As I'm sure you've probably already heard, Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:26 PM, Apple sent out an email ad that directly uses Hp's classic ad slogan.
What kind of marketing strategy is this supposed to be?
HP Using the Slogan
http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad.html
Apple Using the Same Slogan
http://images.apple.com/dm/us/11/4831/i/ttl.gif
Apple tends to steal things straight like this all the time, one of many reasons I hate the company. Remember what Jobs said: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
HP won't be needing it anymore
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
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I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
ah but there is a subtle distinction, HP's is WORK and Apple is everything. Probably enough of a difference to get by a court.
Well, I guess if that's how you dig up dirt on the competition, then I'm all for it...
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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First, when HP made this ad the Touchpad was the same price as the iPad . . . I have preware, installed the first day I had the Touchpad, first thing I did with it after initial setup. I have done all due diligence to get this thing functional, and its not. The patch you speak of is not a fix. Its not a solution. Its exactly what you call it, a patch, over a gaping wound in the OS. Having to tap an icon to have it run the simple command line "stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio" is not a fix. Its a ridiculous workaround that should never have had to exist in the first place. One thing I have found though is that users of WebOS are some of the largest apologists for GAPING bugs I have ever met, especially over on precentral. Reminds me of Windows Mobile days. Here is evidence that I knew about this patch before your kind of snotty reply: http://forums.precentral.net/3164593-post194.html
Don't worry, the Touchpad IS for me. WebOS is what's not for me. It stinks in its current form, which is sad because of how much potential it has.
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nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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What are you even talking about? Tell me how to stop WebOS from losing sound, not how to restart it which I already knew using the Xterm method and which I already read about the patch over on precentral earlier today. Tell me how to get a semi functional browser which isn't ridiculously slow on WebOS. Not asking for anything to be handed to me. I am not the normal complainer who can't do 5 minutes of research. I have spent hours since I got this thing trying to fix bugs until I gave up and chose to wait for Android to be ported.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, my initial comment in this thread was a JOKE, which both of you took seriously. Remember what a joke is?
Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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I suggest making it more obvious you're joking next time, lol. This is the internet after all.
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
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They assume that everything was invented first by Apple. I told my friend about the new iOS notifications system on iOS 5 and how they, pretty much, stole it from android and his response was: "yea but look at how many things android has stolen." Talk about ignorance.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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It was a rather big stretch to tie in one's political viewpoint and observations with a posting on Apple stealing, lol.
You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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vast tech conspiracy
So, I'm feeling a bit stupid for buying the Noot Tablet, and here are my reasons:
I actually bought the Fire first but really didn't like it and the Nook Tablet was much faster so I exchanged it. I figured that the faster device would get more attention from devs and might get an ICS port more quickly.
Now I learned that the KF already has an ICS port on the way and has had some experience with CyanogenMod, and we're stuck with...well...root? I'm very disappointed. Wanted to know if anyone could bring my hopes up a little...lol. I need a pick me up because I'm thinking I was a bit stupid for exchanging. Don't get me wrong, I love the NT, it's a great e-reader, web browser, and Netflix viewer, but that's about all it can do for me.
I should say that I have no idea what goes on in development because of the fact that I'm not a developer and don't aspire to be. I just try and follow instructions and give advice if I can with simple things. I'm sure the guys over there are hard at work getting something going, but I'm just disappointed, that's all.
I wouldn't say "stupid" - I'd say you made a decision based on what felt good to you at the time and on the information that was available to you. At this point, ... Yes, the KF has had a few more hurdles leaped, but the KF really wasn't an option for me.
The lack of SD card expansion was an EPIC failure IMHO. 8GB of total space is something that I couldn't deal with. I prefer the build of the NT over the KF also. It's all a matter of personal preference.
With my NT, I'm currently doing a lot of retro gaming (SNES, Genesis, N64, GBA, PSX, etc), browsing, chat, video streaming (Netflix & Plex FTW), HTPC control via RemoteDroid, light photo editing, & even do some of my real work from job w/ office apps, etc.
From reading the Dev threads, there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of (appreciated) hard work being put in, I figure least I can do is be patient & chill. I knew there was a shot the bootloader was locked before I bought it so I made my purchase based on that fact.
I hope you find happiness in your NT like I found in mine
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I wouldn't say "stupid" - I'd say you made a decision based on what felt good to you at the time and on the information that was available to you. At this point, ... Yes, the KF has had a few more hurdles leaped, but the KF really wasn't an option for me.
The lack of SD card expansion was an EPIC failure IMHO. 8GB of total space is something that I couldn't deal with. I prefer the build of the NT over the KF also. It's all a matter of personal preference.
With my NT, I'm currently doing a lot of retro gaming (SNES, Genesis, N64, GBA, PSX, etc), browsing, chat, video streaming (Netflix & Plex FTW), HTPC control via RemoteDroid, light photo editing, & even do some of my real work from job w/ office apps, etc.
From reading the Dev threads, there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of (appreciated) hard work being put in, I figure least I can do is be patient & chill. I knew there was a shot the bootloader was locked before I bought it so I made my purchase based on that fact.
I hope you find happiness in your NT like I found in mine
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I wouldn't say stupid either. I as well as other developers are hard at work on this. So good call being chill and patient. Think of us all working on this as saving up to buy a really kickass christmas present.
Anyway, yes, we are hard at work, and if you want a mid-end phone hardware device, get a kindle fire. If you want a real mans tablet, get the NT.
Edit: Holy crap! 800th post!
I'm pissed off about the bootloader too. But here's the thing.
You said you didn't like the kindle, and you love your NT.
You list the things that it excels at, and say you love those things. And then say that's all it can give you.
The implication being that somehow having ICS on your tablet will allow you to do more.
It won't ;-). It's still a 7" device with a touchscreen, limited processor, great battery life, and no keyboard or mouse. It's always only going to be good for internet, netflix, reading, some lightweight gaming, etc. Doesn't matter whether it's running ICS or B&N gingerbread.
Think about it this way. Do you use your actual computer for anything different with Windows 7 than you did when you had windows 98? I don't, it's still mostly video games, internets, and word processing etc.
If you love the NT, then just love it ;-). I love mine. The kindle has a super crap screen, no hardware bezel to ease holding it, no hardware "n" button, worse battery, it's not as snappy, etc. Sure I'm not running cm7 or ics which kinda sucks, because they are shiny and i want, but the differences above are way more important to me than having a prettier menu button.
Plus someone is going to get around to getting around the bootloader and we are golden, even if it's later than sooner.
>Was I stupid?
Not were. Are. For asking a bunch of strangers how you should spend your own damn money. Sorry, but we don't do group therapy here. Try this other link,
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx13t.htm
>I need a pick me up
Try bungee jumping. For a real rush, do it without the bungee.
OK fine. In the spirit of the holidays, I officially feel sorry for you.
Group hug for all insecure wimps.
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I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
It'd be nice, in the same sense that anything brand new is exciting and nice... but for me right now... the Nook itself is satisfying that craving.
With root, Go Launcher, Home Catcher, google calendar/market, android market, mx player, and psx4droid... it has become a fantastic device for me to travel with or relax with on the couch while watching TV.
What is ICS even going to give me that I don't already have? Bugs? Lack of network use like the Fire? My Nook is great the way it is.
>I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
I do. It's called tech lust. We all want new stuff, especially the ones that aren't yet available. Once they are, then they're old news and time to lust for the next one.
Same old story for Froy, GB, HC, and now ICS. In 3 months, it'll be JB.
Kind of like seeing a pic of a hot celeb. Then one day you see her on the street without her make-up and it's like HOLY CRAP what happened to half of your face?!
Reality sucks. New toys are best when they aren't real.
AugustusBot said:
I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
It'd be nice, in the same sense that anything brand new is exciting and nice... but for me right now... the Nook itself is satisfying that craving.
With root, Go Launcher, Home Catcher, google calendar/market, android market, mx player, and psx4droid... it has become a fantastic device for me to travel with or relax with on the couch while watching TV.
What is ICS even going to give me that I don't already have? Bugs? Lack of network use like the Fire? My Nook is great the way it is.
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Applications that have tablet interfaces typically only expose those interfaces to honeycomb and ics devices. In addition, ics is built from the ground up for tablets by adding things like software buttons and 360 rotation as well as built-in rotation lock. The application switcher is miles better and only ics fully supports multiple cores and interface acceleration on the gpu.
There are numerous technical reasons to want ics.
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>I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
I do. It's called tech lust. We all want new stuff, especially the ones that aren't yet available. Once they are, then they're old news and time to lust for the next one.
Same old story for Froy, GB, HC, and now ICS. In 3 months, it'll be JB.
Kind of like seeing a pic of a hot celeb. Then one day you see her on the street without her make-up and it's like HOLY CRAP what happened to half of your face?!
Reality sucks. New toys are best when they aren't real.
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You have some disturbing pictures!
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The implication being that somehow having ICS on your tablet will allow you to do more.
It won't ;-).
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This. ICS is getting a lot of hype from geeks who like modifying things, and want the latest and greatest. That's pretty much it. It's still a media tablet that is faster, nicer to use, gets better battery than the direct, current competition. Enjoy it for what it is,. and watch these forums for advances! Did you buy it to watch videos, read, play android games, etc? Yes? Ok then you can still do that. For the tablet focused applications, Honeycomb* is what you want/will be enough/might get updated anyway soon.
I agree with e.mote. Buying the NT wasn't stupid, especially after direct comparisons. Starting a thread asking others to help make up your mind on something and regretting it based on forum hype WAS stupid
*I thought this was just a random rumor on XDA posted by one person but I checked around some and it seems as if a ton of tablets are getting honeycomb updates this winter, and some of it is due to netflix recently adding honeycomb support and redesigning their software specifically to take advantage of features in honeycomb, soo..... it's possible.
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This. ICS is getting a lot of hype from geeks who like modifying things, and want the latest and greatest. That's pretty much it. It's still a media tablet that is faster, nicer to use, gets better battery than the direct, current competition. Enjoy it for what it is,. and watch these forums for advances! Did you buy it to watch videos, read, play android games, etc? Yes? Ok then you can still do that. For the tablet focused applications, Honeycomb* is what you want/will be enough/might get updated anyway soon.
I agree with e.mote. Buying the NT wasn't stupid, especially after direct comparisons. Starting a thread asking others to help make up your mind on something and regretting it based on forum hype WAS stupid
*I thought this was just a random rumor on XDA posted by one person but I checked around some and it seems as if a ton of tablets are getting honeycomb updates this winter, and some of it is due to netflix recently adding honeycomb support and redesigning their software specifically to take advantage of features in honeycomb, soo..... it's possible.
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
Nah. I preordered the fire at first but ultimately went for the noot. Once it's rooted, it's a good device(not being able to save files without a microsd card aside).
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
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Right, for a while Ideally users here will have advance warning or a way to not automatically update. At worst, likely wait for a way to reroot it. At really worst, sideload the stuff you want (to be honest, I'm happy doing the things I want on it with sideloaded apps - but I'm also not on the new OS now now now bandwagon, and the current tablet runs well for my needs (reading, browsing, video, comics mostly). Like what am I going to want to try doing on a NT? Re-encoding video files? Noooo... (Had a friend doing this on an iPad, trying to see how hot things would get or how bad the battery got. Brilliant.)
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
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My blind faith tells me that the current way of blocking updates will work
(btw, this means nothing IRL)
I will rely on that and my faith that you will come up with a way to root my nook after the next update
Alright. The forums are filled with speculation, rumours, facts and a lot of first-adopters under caffeine addiction and patience measurable by a microscope.
For many of you this might be a first 'early adoption' attempt. I've been in a few (most recently with Galaxy Nexus just a month ago), so let me just point out a few things that makes this Prime fiasco not sound like a fiasco at all.
There is no such thing as a world wide launch, or even a US/Europe launch, for a flagship device that does not have supply issues. Every flagship device released has supply issues. We live in times where the demand for flagship devices far outweigh the ability to manufacture. This is why Apple (sometimes) starts production much earlier than others since their demand is -even higher- than any device released by Asus or Samsung. But even they get hit by supply issues and some stores or countries don't get the device for months, if at all. Thus, trust me when I say this, a high demand and problematic supply is a good sign. If you are an early adopter of something that does not have a high demand and supply problems, the product might not be as good as you hope.
If they were to manufacture quicker then the price would go up. There are human resources behind product manufacturing, which are limited. And not only is it limited by human resources, but also by supply of parts from partners that end up in the final device. If you had a choice of 'waiting longer' for a cleaner launch (so they could manufacture more devices by the time of launch) or having Asus release products a little sooner to satisfy early adopter interest, we all know we would rather get it sooner rather than later, even if some of us have to wait longer (we are selfish like that). So it is better that at least some of us, who pre-ordered very early and got lucky with the seller, will get the device this month instead of delayed launch in January or later.
Another reason why companies release products sooner is because it is a race. While they can manufacture only certain amount, if they held back a release to have more devices during launch, they would be a month or even more closer to the time when the device becomes outdated. This is especially true with Android tablets that simply do not carry the word of mouth of an iPad or a content ecosystem of Kindle Fire. Android tablets are a niche device which competes in market dominated not by software, but by specs. It is more beneficial for Asus to get the product out quicker from sales standpoint, even if they are unable to manufacture to meet the early demand.
This issue seems huge and bad for you. But to everyone outside the circle, no one is even aware. You simply think this is the worst launch in the history of tech launches, when in fact this type of launch is more common than the changing of socks. Asus and every other company goes through couple of launches like that every year. This here is nothing special, there's no point trying to make it sound like it is. The reason why tech portals are not full of huge discussions about Asus and Transformer Prime launch is because it is not at all a major issue in tech world.
And companies know this. Both sellers and manufacturers know about the impatience of early adopters who place pre-orders often even before they know what the device is about. Reality is that early adopters are a very small percentage of the people who end up buying the product. Upsetting early adopters at a time when the product is not even widely advertised does not damage Asus sales. They are used to it and in fact so is every other company.
Tech problems are also common with devices. In fact I don't know a flagship device that does not come with a quirk or two. Galaxy Nexus smartphone launch involved the phone not working properly on 2G networks which was a major, major issue. A hardware manufacturing flaw. But it was fixed with a software update so it became a non-issue. You can add Apple's Antennagates and battery issues to this pile too. Small issues get blown out of proportion because of user expectation after paying a lot of money. Companies do their best to fix these problems. If Prime is affected by weaker WiFi signal, well, it simply is not perfect. It is also not as fast in certain aspects compared to iPad 2, so what? If you are really disappointed you should wait for something better, but expecting a device to be flawless is silly since it is just not going to happen.
The reason why customer support does not respond to you with all the details in the world is because the customer support does not know. Product launch and manufacturing is something that involves thousands of people and hundreds of companies. Sellers do their best to get their orders, Asus does their best to meet the demand. And every day you ask about the product, that customer support person has gone through many just like you before you contact them. You, an early adopter, who keeps bombing the customer support every day, are just a drop in the pond. You have no idea how low priority it is for any company to deal with your epic problem that is really just about you getting a product few weeks early.
If you want to cancel your pre-order, go ahead and do it. But do not think that any seller or Asus is affected by your canceling. They will sell their items regardless. Do not cancel the pre-order for wrong reasons. If you really want another device or wait for another device, do it. But don't cancel a pre-order just out of bitterness, you'll regret it a month down the road.
I know that we are all frustrated since we want the product right now. Some of us have already paid the full price, some of us have paid even more (I'm paying 20% extra for customs fees from the product and courier shipping). But this is just a product. Unless your friend is a freak of nature like you are about product launches, you will still get a shiny Transformer Prime before your friends and family to show off and feel great about.
I, for one, am glad to have ordered Prime. I will get it and so will you. Just be a little more patient.
holy wall of text, tldr
can u repeat that i wast really paying attention.......... its the 12th lets hope there was some truth
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LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!
I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
ask a verizon customer waiting for the Gnex if this is a bad launch !
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I actually did read it, and having been through such product launches before (namely, the TF101), I definitely agree.
Everything kristovaher said was right, especially about all these whiners that cancelled their pre-orders because they don't have any patience. So all those above me that are trying to sound cool at the expense of an intelligent, truthful response to all the 'drama', you're not cool. You're not funny.
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and your not cool for caring about peoples whining, i could never imagine giving enough ****s to right/read a sentence about the haters/whiners.
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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Thanks for writing that, OP. It's refreshing to see some intelligent and logical posts here. I can see that XDA Developers (unfortunately) deserves its reputation based on some of the posts made in this thread.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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demandarin said:
I read it also. He is right though. This lookin like its going to turn into a flame thread, unfortunately. People just need to chill out. We have exactly one week till release
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Exactly.
And what is more amusing is that Asus has not -lied- to anybody, yet people act as if they have. They came out with as official as possible release date on 1st of December and no one believed them. They said 12/19, which they universally pushed all to 19 because of higher-than-expected demand for Prime. A lot of people shot it down though for the simple reason of it being later than they would like it to be, even going as far as saying that this 19 didn't even come from Asus.
I can understand frustration if majority of November pre-orders are not covered by Christmas, but today is only 12th of December.
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Why do you out yourself as a total dumbass in all publicity?
That is really weird...
I thought those kind of pictures belong to forums were the average user is below 10 years...
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The Internet = Serious Business
It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
theres a fire a-comin.... so hide yo keeds, hide yo...
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The Internet = Serious Business
It's all over folks, no more joking or having fun on the internet, Diamondback's panties might get in a bunch and call you mean and nasty names.
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Trolls aren't wanted here. Go Away and troll somebody else..
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Anybody else wish that all Transformer Prime discussion was still limited to those three threads on the TF1 forum? At least there would be some level of moderation, that we do not have at all here yet.
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What reputation is that? They are generally lauded by the tech media as far as I know. A few kids that post silliness shouldn't warrant a bad reputation. Look at all of the development that happens here. That's where the rep should and does come from, imo.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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On reddit (and a few other sites) there's a consensus that while there is still a lot of great content & good developers on XDA, there's also a lot of immaturity.
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Real reason for this is that majority of devices don't have their own forums, which do exist here. So it brings in non-developers even though the forums name is 'xda developers'.
It's not bad, XDA is still a tremendous resource and the development subforums are a great source of quality information, but general threads are populated with repeat questions and rumour-mongering, as is evident in the case of Prime, a device that not many of us have spent any time with.
I've run product marketing/management in many of my positions. To a large extent, what you covered in your missive is true. Launching a new product successfully is a study in project management. There are thousands of tasks that all have to be orchestrated and there are many dependencies and there are some things can only be done sequentially. There's an axiom in product management: you can have it good, fast, or cheap - pick two. My guess is the CEO of Asus who is somewhat of a cowboy demanded "fast" to beat other competitors to market. That pretty much screws the product management team who is forced to make concessions with their carefully created project plan/timeline and forego the quality of the launch for the sake of speed.
There are quite a few clues that something funky is going on with the launch of the Prime.
1) Clearly the types and quantities of product are lower than originally estimated. The fact that some colors/sizes are available in some places and not others is a clue. And the launch date sliding by weeks very close in means they allowed themselves no cushion to deal with issues that inevitably come up with a product launch. That or they miscalculated which is never a good sign. Amazon, who is really good at selling stuff, didn't randomly take pre-orders without some sort of quantity commitment. Something changed and fairly close to launch. The fact that they pulled the product completely probably means they lost confidence in Asus' commitments; at least for the time being.
2) Until the device is in fairly widespread use we won't know if there are potential h/w or s/w issues. The fact than some reviewer units and early units in Taiwan are having Wi-Fi issues may be early production challenges or a potential design issue. The fact that reviewers with problem units sent them back and got units without issues is both good and bad. The fact Asus knew what the problem was and fixed it means that, at a stage very close to launch, they're finding things that are typically identified much earlier in the process.
3) Asus is smaller compared to its peers. Based on last quarter's financials they generate half the revenue of Acer another Taiwanese tech company. The combination of fewer resources, a demanding CEO, set-in-stone deadlines and working with new technology (Teg3 and ICS) isn't a recipe for quality and timeliness. And being smaller, they get less preferential treatment and pricing from vendors supplying the components they use to assemble their products. And the TF1 wasn't a beacon of quality at launch and the Prime is a much more complex device.
4) There's been a lot of discussion about the complexity of fabricating the Teg3 SoC. Other things like the all metal casing are new too. There may be production or supply issues with components being manufactured by third parties for the Prime that are beyond Asus' control. Regardless, you don't typically set a launch date until all those risks are identified and mitigated.
So, the statement that all product launches are challenging is true - in every industry. Asus said they plan to sell a million tablets in 2012 of which I'm assuming the Prime is the majority. The launch will be quickly forgotten. How well Asus did with the Prime will be judged months from now.
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Read the article.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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Well that obviously depends on your usage - I rarely get crashes or FCs.
iOS doesn't pop up an error message, so you notice it less
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Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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iOS is written so that no error message is given when something crashes. This is pure dishonesty in my book. To regular people like yourself, no error message means everything is OK.
The following article explained how they came to the conclusion.
http://www.redmondpie.com/study-reveals-that-ios-apps-crash-more-frequently-than-android/
It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
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It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
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It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
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It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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Actually there has been malware on ios market despite its review process. And you don't need av on android if you use market, av can't stop a malware app before it gets on your phone so they are not much use.
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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iOS and Macs both get malware and virus's despite people saying they're immune or they don't get any. Neither Android nor iOS has any real issue with malware, but Android offers more "virus checking" apps and other similar apps than iOS for sure.
I think it's pretty lame on Apple's part to not display the error messages, pretty much tricking users into thinking everything is ok and it was just a random glitch and not an actual app crash.
Apple does censor in the respect that they do not approve many apps if they do not fit in with their guidelines, which are tough, and for some certain types of apps it makes it impossible to publish even if they're amazing and useful apps.
And yea I can see why many app developers would go to iOS before android.
Because you code 1 thing and it gets pushed out to the most people. Android you have to code 1 thing, then code it again for every device with different hardware or version of the OS.
I'm actually surprised, it would seem Android would have more FCs caused by poorly developed apps or compatibility errors that allow a program to be installed on a non-compatibile device. Not that this is common, but it usually happens with new games. iOS developers can easily test every compatible device, but it would be nearly impossible for Android devs to do the same.
The whole Android virus thing has been blown way out of proportion. Common sense is always the best A/V. Most people get these viruses from downloading warez or risky looking apps in the market. But Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
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Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
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Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
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In my use I would say this is even. Ios used to crash less but ios 5 has been a total disaster in my opinion, and crashes and lags have increased dramatically ( company phone, i would never pay for a ios device again). They totally try to hide the crashes by not giving you notice.
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ios just for iphone,with same hardware,so all apps in their store are really compatible,but android isnt just for one devices,it is in many different devices from different company with different hardware,so not easy to tell the compatibility..
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mistermentality said:
Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
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It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
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It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
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Thanks. That's a very interesting read
Dave
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I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
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I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
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no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
mcord11758 said:
no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
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So you prefer a phone that needs to have its warranty voided instead of something that works? You must have a lot of free time on your hands since most normal people would rather not waste hours making their phone functional. I don't have a problem with tweaking the phone to improve performance or personalize it if that's your thing, but it shouldn't be a requirement to make the phone work.
so go back to your shoe box. or, do better research on the device you are buying before you pcik it up. The captivate issues were well known and any small degree of research would of led you to that. And none of the issues were software related they were hardware.
I find it hard to believe that you would come to a development forum and be confused that people who frequent it mod their phones and void their waranties.