So, I'm feeling a bit stupid for buying the Noot Tablet, and here are my reasons:
I actually bought the Fire first but really didn't like it and the Nook Tablet was much faster so I exchanged it. I figured that the faster device would get more attention from devs and might get an ICS port more quickly.
Now I learned that the KF already has an ICS port on the way and has had some experience with CyanogenMod, and we're stuck with...well...root? I'm very disappointed. Wanted to know if anyone could bring my hopes up a little...lol. I need a pick me up because I'm thinking I was a bit stupid for exchanging. Don't get me wrong, I love the NT, it's a great e-reader, web browser, and Netflix viewer, but that's about all it can do for me.
I should say that I have no idea what goes on in development because of the fact that I'm not a developer and don't aspire to be. I just try and follow instructions and give advice if I can with simple things. I'm sure the guys over there are hard at work getting something going, but I'm just disappointed, that's all.
I wouldn't say "stupid" - I'd say you made a decision based on what felt good to you at the time and on the information that was available to you. At this point, ... Yes, the KF has had a few more hurdles leaped, but the KF really wasn't an option for me.
The lack of SD card expansion was an EPIC failure IMHO. 8GB of total space is something that I couldn't deal with. I prefer the build of the NT over the KF also. It's all a matter of personal preference.
With my NT, I'm currently doing a lot of retro gaming (SNES, Genesis, N64, GBA, PSX, etc), browsing, chat, video streaming (Netflix & Plex FTW), HTPC control via RemoteDroid, light photo editing, & even do some of my real work from job w/ office apps, etc.
From reading the Dev threads, there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of (appreciated) hard work being put in, I figure least I can do is be patient & chill. I knew there was a shot the bootloader was locked before I bought it so I made my purchase based on that fact.
I hope you find happiness in your NT like I found in mine
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I wouldn't say "stupid" - I'd say you made a decision based on what felt good to you at the time and on the information that was available to you. At this point, ... Yes, the KF has had a few more hurdles leaped, but the KF really wasn't an option for me.
The lack of SD card expansion was an EPIC failure IMHO. 8GB of total space is something that I couldn't deal with. I prefer the build of the NT over the KF also. It's all a matter of personal preference.
With my NT, I'm currently doing a lot of retro gaming (SNES, Genesis, N64, GBA, PSX, etc), browsing, chat, video streaming (Netflix & Plex FTW), HTPC control via RemoteDroid, light photo editing, & even do some of my real work from job w/ office apps, etc.
From reading the Dev threads, there's a lot of hope and there's a lot of (appreciated) hard work being put in, I figure least I can do is be patient & chill. I knew there was a shot the bootloader was locked before I bought it so I made my purchase based on that fact.
I hope you find happiness in your NT like I found in mine
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I wouldn't say stupid either. I as well as other developers are hard at work on this. So good call being chill and patient. Think of us all working on this as saving up to buy a really kickass christmas present.
Anyway, yes, we are hard at work, and if you want a mid-end phone hardware device, get a kindle fire. If you want a real mans tablet, get the NT.
Edit: Holy crap! 800th post!
I'm pissed off about the bootloader too. But here's the thing.
You said you didn't like the kindle, and you love your NT.
You list the things that it excels at, and say you love those things. And then say that's all it can give you.
The implication being that somehow having ICS on your tablet will allow you to do more.
It won't ;-). It's still a 7" device with a touchscreen, limited processor, great battery life, and no keyboard or mouse. It's always only going to be good for internet, netflix, reading, some lightweight gaming, etc. Doesn't matter whether it's running ICS or B&N gingerbread.
Think about it this way. Do you use your actual computer for anything different with Windows 7 than you did when you had windows 98? I don't, it's still mostly video games, internets, and word processing etc.
If you love the NT, then just love it ;-). I love mine. The kindle has a super crap screen, no hardware bezel to ease holding it, no hardware "n" button, worse battery, it's not as snappy, etc. Sure I'm not running cm7 or ics which kinda sucks, because they are shiny and i want, but the differences above are way more important to me than having a prettier menu button.
Plus someone is going to get around to getting around the bootloader and we are golden, even if it's later than sooner.
>Was I stupid?
Not were. Are. For asking a bunch of strangers how you should spend your own damn money. Sorry, but we don't do group therapy here. Try this other link,
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx13t.htm
>I need a pick me up
Try bungee jumping. For a real rush, do it without the bungee.
OK fine. In the spirit of the holidays, I officially feel sorry for you.
Group hug for all insecure wimps.
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I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
It'd be nice, in the same sense that anything brand new is exciting and nice... but for me right now... the Nook itself is satisfying that craving.
With root, Go Launcher, Home Catcher, google calendar/market, android market, mx player, and psx4droid... it has become a fantastic device for me to travel with or relax with on the couch while watching TV.
What is ICS even going to give me that I don't already have? Bugs? Lack of network use like the Fire? My Nook is great the way it is.
>I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
I do. It's called tech lust. We all want new stuff, especially the ones that aren't yet available. Once they are, then they're old news and time to lust for the next one.
Same old story for Froy, GB, HC, and now ICS. In 3 months, it'll be JB.
Kind of like seeing a pic of a hot celeb. Then one day you see her on the street without her make-up and it's like HOLY CRAP what happened to half of your face?!
Reality sucks. New toys are best when they aren't real.
AugustusBot said:
I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
It'd be nice, in the same sense that anything brand new is exciting and nice... but for me right now... the Nook itself is satisfying that craving.
With root, Go Launcher, Home Catcher, google calendar/market, android market, mx player, and psx4droid... it has become a fantastic device for me to travel with or relax with on the couch while watching TV.
What is ICS even going to give me that I don't already have? Bugs? Lack of network use like the Fire? My Nook is great the way it is.
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Applications that have tablet interfaces typically only expose those interfaces to honeycomb and ics devices. In addition, ics is built from the ground up for tablets by adding things like software buttons and 360 rotation as well as built-in rotation lock. The application switcher is miles better and only ics fully supports multiple cores and interface acceleration on the gpu.
There are numerous technical reasons to want ics.
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>I don't know why ICS is so alluring.
I do. It's called tech lust. We all want new stuff, especially the ones that aren't yet available. Once they are, then they're old news and time to lust for the next one.
Same old story for Froy, GB, HC, and now ICS. In 3 months, it'll be JB.
Kind of like seeing a pic of a hot celeb. Then one day you see her on the street without her make-up and it's like HOLY CRAP what happened to half of your face?!
Reality sucks. New toys are best when they aren't real.
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You have some disturbing pictures!
ylixir said:
The implication being that somehow having ICS on your tablet will allow you to do more.
It won't ;-).
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This. ICS is getting a lot of hype from geeks who like modifying things, and want the latest and greatest. That's pretty much it. It's still a media tablet that is faster, nicer to use, gets better battery than the direct, current competition. Enjoy it for what it is,. and watch these forums for advances! Did you buy it to watch videos, read, play android games, etc? Yes? Ok then you can still do that. For the tablet focused applications, Honeycomb* is what you want/will be enough/might get updated anyway soon.
I agree with e.mote. Buying the NT wasn't stupid, especially after direct comparisons. Starting a thread asking others to help make up your mind on something and regretting it based on forum hype WAS stupid
*I thought this was just a random rumor on XDA posted by one person but I checked around some and it seems as if a ton of tablets are getting honeycomb updates this winter, and some of it is due to netflix recently adding honeycomb support and redesigning their software specifically to take advantage of features in honeycomb, soo..... it's possible.
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This. ICS is getting a lot of hype from geeks who like modifying things, and want the latest and greatest. That's pretty much it. It's still a media tablet that is faster, nicer to use, gets better battery than the direct, current competition. Enjoy it for what it is,. and watch these forums for advances! Did you buy it to watch videos, read, play android games, etc? Yes? Ok then you can still do that. For the tablet focused applications, Honeycomb* is what you want/will be enough/might get updated anyway soon.
I agree with e.mote. Buying the NT wasn't stupid, especially after direct comparisons. Starting a thread asking others to help make up your mind on something and regretting it based on forum hype WAS stupid
*I thought this was just a random rumor on XDA posted by one person but I checked around some and it seems as if a ton of tablets are getting honeycomb updates this winter, and some of it is due to netflix recently adding honeycomb support and redesigning their software specifically to take advantage of features in honeycomb, soo..... it's possible.
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
Nah. I preordered the fire at first but ultimately went for the noot. Once it's rooted, it's a good device(not being able to save files without a microsd card aside).
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If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
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Right, for a while Ideally users here will have advance warning or a way to not automatically update. At worst, likely wait for a way to reroot it. At really worst, sideload the stuff you want (to be honest, I'm happy doing the things I want on it with sideloaded apps - but I'm also not on the new OS now now now bandwagon, and the current tablet runs well for my needs (reading, browsing, video, comics mostly). Like what am I going to want to try doing on a NT? Re-encoding video files? Noooo... (Had a friend doing this on an iPad, trying to see how hot things would get or how bad the battery got. Brilliant.)
Indirect said:
If they update to HC, we lose root with no real way to root again aside from an unbrickable mod then flashing a new bootloader then finding a software exploit. :|
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My blind faith tells me that the current way of blocking updates will work
(btw, this means nothing IRL)
I will rely on that and my faith that you will come up with a way to root my nook after the next update
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I went from a G1 to a MT3G to an N1 to this perfectly sized vibrant with its smooth processor and beautiful display and I can honestly say I'm furious enough with all of its bloatware that for the first time I may take an android phone back solely because of the crapware (although the lack of a flash and trackball/pad are unforgiveable as well). Anyway:
Memo
Diary
Office (can't edit docs of course)
Gogo
mobitv
Avatar(its an f-ing app!!!)
Telenav (less than pointless and if you don't pay $10 a month for something you already have free from google you have yet another dead icon in your app drawer)
write and go (another note app?)
Swype tips (just shoot me)
Slacker
Layar
Audio postcard (I almost slammed my phone onto the pavement)
Daily briefing
I don't even think that covers it. I have two questions: if my previous 3 androids including the very awesome nexus one didn't come filled with the scum of the app market how theo **** did this happen to this phone? And more importantly what can I do about it without rooting? Thanks, I realize I'm probably late to the party on this deeply offensive issue but I'm here now and, frankly, I'd love to stay if I could turn this monstrosity back into an acceptable mobile device. Thanks again for any help
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I went from a G1 to a MT3G to an N1 to this perfectly sized vibrant with its smooth processor and beautiful display and I can honestly say I'm furious enough with all of its bloatware that for the first time I may take an android phone back solely because of the crapware (although the lack of a flash and trackball/pad are unforgiveable as well). Anyway:
Memo
Diary
Office (can't edit docs of course)
Gogo
mobitv
Avatar(its an f-ing app!!!)
Telenav (less than pointless and if you don't pay $10 a month for something you already have free from google you have yet another dead icon in your app drawer)
write and go (another note app?)
Swype tips (just shoot me)
Slacker
Layar
Audio postcard (I almost slammed my phone onto the pavement)
Daily briefing
I don't even think that covers it. I have two questions: if my previous 3 androids including the very awesome nexus one didn't come filled with the scum of the app market how theo **** did this happen to this phone? And more importantly what can I do about it without rooting? Thanks, I realize I'm probably late to the party on this deeply offensive issue but I'm here now and, frankly, I'd love to stay if I could turn this monstrosity back into an acceptable mobile device. Thanks again for any help
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First of all. Calm down, man. It isn't that serious, they're just applications. Who gets so heated over extra applications. Especially when you have 1GB+ to install anything you want. Including any alternate launcher that has the ability to hide applications.
Second, you can't do anything without rooting because all those applications are system applications. It's simple and harmless to root. Then if you do you can just use an application like Root Explorer and delete them to to delight.
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i dont know, im still offended. Anyway wheres chrome to phone? I cant find it in the market and i searched "samsung vibrant chrome to phone download" but google just laughed at me
DMaverick50 said:
i dont know, im still offended. Anyway wheres chrome to phone? I cant find it in the market and i searched "samsung vibrant chrome to phone download" but google just laughed at me
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Even if you could find it. It'd be useless since it only works on 2.2 A.K.A Froyo.
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DMaverick50 said:
I went from a G1 to a MT3G to an N1 to this perfectly sized vibrant with its smooth processor and beautiful display and I can honestly say I'm furious enough with all of its bloatware that for the first time I may take an android phone back solely because of the crapware (although the lack of a flash and trackball/pad are unforgiveable as well). Anyway:
Memo
Diary
Office (can't edit docs of course)
Gogo
mobitv
Avatar(its an f-ing app!!!)
Telenav (less than pointless and if you don't pay $10 a month for something you already have free from google you have yet another dead icon in your app drawer)
write and go (another note app?)
Swype tips (just shoot me)
Slacker
Layar
Audio postcard (I almost slammed my phone onto the pavement)
Daily briefing
I don't even think that covers it. I have two questions: if my previous 3 androids including the very awesome nexus one didn't come filled with the scum of the app market how theo **** did this happen to this phone? And more importantly what can I do about it without rooting? Thanks, I realize I'm probably late to the party on this deeply offensive issue but I'm here now and, frankly, I'd love to stay if I could turn this monstrosity back into an acceptable mobile device. Thanks again for any help
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Wow... You seriously need to settle down. They are just applications. They aren't going to harm you. I don't think anyone has been as "offended" as you about it so you're the only person at that party. I'm curious since you stated you've owned 3 other T-Mobile android phones, did you not use the phone prior to your purchase? You're obviously not oblivious to this forum; so why didn't you check here first before having your meltdown? Just doesn't seem like an act of common sense...
Anyways, just use launcher pro and hide whatever apparently you don't want to see. Or root and remove them. Both are easy to do and don't require any further irrational behavior from you such as returning the phone.
Good luck!
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bummer about chrome to phone. And no i didnt use the phone, i still have my nexus but wife was at tmobile getting one so i wanted one too. But the crapware is just stupid, i dont care how much room i have on my phone that doesnt mean i want a bunch of useless **** on my phone. And like with my other phones, i refuse to root just to fix my multi-hundred dollar phone. im not against rooting, just not to make right what should come that way. But honestly, telenav? I mean if samsung or tmobile is going to try to curb their costs by adding redundant apps, they should at least give me the option to pay the extra few bucks to have a decent experience. There just needs to be a way for the average user to remove the crap.
Then again maybe im just pissed because of how i have to pay for how greedy these ****ty companies are. It never ends. I do like the UI though, ive heard nothing but bad things about touchwiz but the whole UI seems very put together. Android said for gingerbread they want the UI to look more cohesive, common visuals/elements. Like what touchwiz already has. Im not a huge fan of the dock or the utter lack of widgets, but its better than vanilla and even sense imo. so theres some positive feedback to even out the meltdown
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bummer about chrome to phone. And no i didnt use the phone, i still have my nexus but wife was at tmobile getting one so i wanted one too. But the crapware is just stupid, i dont care how much room i have on my phone that doesnt mean i want a bunch of useless **** on my phone. And like with my other phones, i refuse to root just to fix my multi-hundred dollar phone. im not against rooting, just not to make right what should come that way. But honestly, telenav? I mean if samsung or tmobile is going to try to curb their costs by adding redundant apps, they should at least give me the option to pay the extra few bucks to have a decent experience. There just needs to be a way for the average user to remove the crap.
Then again maybe im just pissed because of how i have to pay for how greedy these ****ty companies are. It never ends. I do like the UI though, ive heard nothing but bad things about touchwiz but the whole UI seems very put together. Android said for gingerbread they want the UI to look more cohesive, common visuals/elements. Like what touchwiz already has. Im not a huge fan of the dock or the utter lack of widgets, but its better than vanilla and even sense imo. so theres some positive feedback to even out the meltdown
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Wow, you get offended too easily. Just to be fare, tmobile do give you an option to use or not to use the apps. If you don't feel like using those apps like telenav then don't use it. They are not billing you for it just because it's on your phone. You also have an option to root and remove those boatware. Just because you rooted and remove those bloatware it doesn't mean you're fixing anything. Just are just simply uninstalling a few apps. I'm sure some others find some of those bloatwares useful, so each to their own. Main point is, you have the option to decide how you want your phone to be. If it really bother and offend you that much then just stick with other android phones. I highly doubt anyone else find bloatware offensive.
LOL at this thread.
"OMG HOW DARE SAMSUNG MAKE EXTRA APPS FOR PEOPLE??...I DONT USE THEM SO NO ONE ELSE MUST EITHER!"
get over yourself. It's OK for Google to load your phone with Google talk and voice and maps (even though you can get them in the market), but not for the manufacturer? LOL
Cut it out.
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DMaverick50 said:
bummer about chrome to phone. And no i didnt use the phone, i still have my nexus but wife was at tmobile getting one so i wanted one too. But the crapware is just stupid, i dont care how much room i have on my phone that doesnt mean i want a bunch of useless **** on my phone. And like with my other phones, i refuse to root just to fix my multi-hundred dollar phone. im not against rooting, just not to make right what should come that way. But honestly, telenav? I mean if samsung or tmobile is going to try to curb their costs by adding redundant apps, they should at least give me the option to pay the extra few bucks to have a decent experience. There just needs to be a way for the average user to remove the crap.
Then again maybe im just pissed because of how i have to pay for how greedy these ****ty companies are. It never ends. I do like the UI though, ive heard nothing but bad things about touchwiz but the whole UI seems very put together. Android said for gingerbread they want the UI to look more cohesive, common visuals/elements. Like what touchwiz already has. Im not a huge fan of the dock or the utter lack of widgets, but its better than vanilla and even sense imo. so theres some positive feedback to even out the meltdown
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Dude seriously? Cry much? you have been here for over a year and did not do your research prior to buying the phone? This news was all over every gadget blog, all over these forums.
People here have given you options. Get over it and be an adult.
Lol quite a few people maybe not here find those apps useful
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Good thing you didn't buy an Epic 4G, you probably would have off'd yourself.
From what I've seen, the bloatware on the Vibrant is the most unoffensive of the SGS phones.
Hope I don't get flamed since almost every new thread does but I am hoping when HTC decides to allow root that its not like an ota that just makes it nice and easy for everyone to do it.
Maybe I'm selfish but i liked that my EVO 4G was special..and i feel like the "wow" factor will be lost if every Joe schmoe can just root...I'm wondering how HTC will implement the unlock..but i would prefer they just dropped the encryption and let the devs do the rest..99% of phones owners have no clue what rooting or flashing etc is...and i like it that way..
Sorry if this considered a waste of thread space.. bring on the "you mad?" And face palm pics
Nah we got too many threads with the pics I wont bring em. Yea I felt root made my EVO special. People who don't care wont ask for it.
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Nah we got too many threads with the pics I wont bring em. Yea I felt root made my EVO special. People who don't care wont ask for it.
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@op. Most people don't want Su privilege or care to learn how to get it... Most people I talk to in real life only want root for better battery life... Yet don't know how get get root or use it. :/
3D > iClone
Yup same here
I think it would be awesome if everyone jumped on the ability to mod their phones the way we do. It would do wonders for HTC and Android.
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I think it would be awesome if everyone jumped on the ability to mod their phones the way we do. It would do wonders for HTC and Android.
Tapa tapa tapa
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+1
All those talented developers that don't even know they have it in them are waiting to be awoke....
3D > iClone
Heck, Palm Pre owners mostly didn't use it, and it CAME rooted, basically... I didn't know a single other person who actually installed patches or used wifi tether...
General public doesn't care.
firmbiz94 said:
Hope I don't get flamed since almost every new thread does but I am hoping when HTC decides to allow root that its not like an ota that just makes it nice and easy for everyone to do it.
Maybe I'm selfish but i liked that my EVO 4G was special..and i feel like the "wow" factor will be lost if every Joe schmoe can just root...I'm wondering how HTC will implement the unlock..but i would prefer they just dropped the encryption and let the devs do the rest..99% of phones owners have no clue what rooting or flashing etc is...and i like it that way..
Sorry if this considered a waste of thread space.. bring on the "you mad?" And face palm pics
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On one hand that sounds like the very honest sentiment of a nerd who doesn't like that his 'special thing' is about to become a lot less special since the plebes will have easy access to something you worked hard at....kinda...
...on one hand, I identify...on the otherhand that is selfish and a tad shallow. "Don't do what I do that makes me special, that's only for me!"....but I'm not insulting you, I'm being honest even though I feel exactly that same as you on the issue.
Now on the the more practical matter: You are correct sir. 99% of all phone owners have no idea what it is--and that will not change. It has not changed...okay, maybe it went from 99% to 98%, but, that's not too bad.
Those 98% have no business flashing roms, radios, modifying their framework, flashing a recovery...In this world people with a 3G phone who want 4G--the "clever ones" anyway--will try flashing a 4G radio to it to "upgrade it", people who want sense on a samsung will try to flash that...XDA will be flooded with idiocy and internet gangsters who start flamewars with us real geeks for being, well, real geeks and not telling them our secrets of how to upgrade an OG droid to a droid3...etc etc etc.
Luckily, most people are completely ignorant of the matter and even if you TRY to tell them more they. simply. don't. give. a. ****...and that's if you are lucky enough to even get them to understand it.
Don't worry OP...I've been a geek hacking at my hardware and software since I got my first computer in 1990 with a 1200 baud modem...and even in this age where the internet is in everybody's pocket (something we used to have to hack into university systems to get back then), where 1.2ghz dual core processors are in everyone's pocket (my first computer was 4.77mhz with 512k of ram and a 20mb hard drive the size of a netbook)....and video game consoles are more powerful than a supercomputer the size of arkansas would have been back them....even amongst this flood of technology EVERYWHERE these people still prefer to remain ignorant, even the ones that aren't complete retards.
Our secrets are safe, unfortunately.
I like our "secret club" even though we are a dis functional family..I used to love when ppl wouldbbe like i have an EVO too and then the saw the POwwA of mine
All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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I like our "secret club" even though we are a dis functional family..I used to love when ppl wouldbbe like i have an EVO too and then the saw the POwwA of mine
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. You could advertise it with a non-stop crawl on the bottom of the screen starting before american idol and have it run for 2 days straight, blinking red, advertising the benefits of what we do and we wouldn't even notice a difference around here.
...maybe in other forums, but def not the e3d section.
It is entertaining here. I returned mine a week ago and can't stay away.
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All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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And that's when I.believe we will run into trouble ..if they "give" us root and ppl f it up..even If they read the disclaimers they will raise unholy Hell to replace their "bricked" device..I think us.flashers are a small %...the amount of us that brick our phones is a small % of that..****..I would of have to actually try harder to brick my 4G than to flash something new..and even If i was successful there's always nandroid. Anyways I just worry I guess..I really enjoyed my experience with the 4G development..I wish it could be that way again..but HTC had to go and f that up.
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All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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This is why you will not see a mass introduction of SU permissions made easy by HTC or Sprint. They know the impact this will make if they give every user out there that wants to flash ROM's or play with Kernel's, that they will end up with a massive payout of returns and loss of profits due to people ****ing up their phones because of their inability to actually learn. You can say your phone bricked itself right now when you flash ROMS and get a new phone without paying a deductible. If we know this, then don't think Sprint or HTC is ignorant enough to know that giving the masses complete control of their phones without some kind of watermark or time-stamp into their product, then they will lose out huge and potentially not be #1 anymore. The only S OFF you will see, is the S OFF were you will be marked like a 666 beast and given a choice to take a red pill or blue pill. It's your choice whether you travel down the rabbit hole.
When will this madness stop?
You guys dont seem to grasp the concept that HTC will NOT root your phone via an OTA. They are going to remove the encryption on the bootloader to allow us to get S-Off on the device and allow system writes to stick. It is not like you will automatically get S-Off and your device will be rooted when they release the OTA. If you do nothing your phone will be exactly the same.
I think everyone pretty much understands that HTC isn't going to magically root everyone's phones, however.......By the very nature of how public the discussion has become and by how very simple the actual rooting process has become SOME people who probably should not be rooting their phones will be. As I've said it's exactly what I've seen with the Nook...."Oh if I burn an SD card, I can have the Android market, cool!?!?"......"Oooops, now I have a blank screen, HELP IT'S BRICKED" Obviously many more people will go on oblivious to our fun, but a handfull who have half a clue will be flashing away without even knowing the risks & rewards of what they are doing.
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You guys dont seem to grasp the concept that HTC will NOT root your phone via an OTA. They are going to remove the encryption on the bootloader to allow us to get S-Off on the device and allow system writes to stick. It is not like you will automatically get S-Off and your device will be rooted when they release the OTA. If you do nothing your phone will be exactly the same.
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This.
The update will probably be an OTA, transparent change where a normal end user notices nothing different (except any bug fixes that were expected in the release). The nerdlings or the "community" at XDA then makes it S-OFF, then flashes custom recovery, then custom ROM.
Point being, HTC won't give you an update that has CM with it
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the evo is already one click rooted.. I don't see how that is so hard. People could root if they could figure it out. Most people won't like the evo 4g.
How many people will take the time out of their day to research what an ota update is for on their new 3vo. Not many.
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I would like to add that most people that have an HTC phone don't visit the HTC Facebook page and/or Twitter page and have no idea about this whole bootloader encryption and what it does. The phone will NOT be rooted by the OTA. All they will do is release an unencrypted bootloader which will probably take a simple fastboot command 'fastboot oem unlock' for it to be unlocked and "s-off". Then install a custom recovery, a rooted Rom and presto you are rooted. This to most people is still too scary to even mess with and risk ****ing up their phone for. For us on here it is a whole different experience. Phones today are pretty much unbrickable unless flashing a radio and pulling the battery or not letting it complete in some way. Most people will give two ****s less about the OTA and we will still be "special".
Hi everyone!
I already replied in some other posts about this, but I really think this topic deserves a new thread, because the things going on are truly interesting.
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
What surprises me most, is an answer the new CEO gave during an Interview, about the WebOS devices future:
"The question now before us is what do we do with webOS software and do we come back to market with webOS devices," Whitman said. "It obviously will not be the same device but it will be version 2.0."
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That 2.0 makes me sort of confused and curious at same time.
In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
I was just concerned about them using the TouchPad to revive their PC business. Aren't their PC's good enough on their own? Guess not. Whatever.
If the plan was to stop making the TP1 available to make way for the TouchPad2. That would make sense.
Course, with HP, it's just this:
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Or was, now with Meg Whitman on board, it's like this:
I think if there was ever a possibility to get more webOS into our hands, they hired the right woman for the job.
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Hi everyone!
This is the latest news about WebOS, it seems it will most likely be sold to another company, which it's still unknown, though there are possible candidates.
Here the news: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Exclu...2.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
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In the meantime, it seems lots of other Touchpads are acquired by lots of new customers and even more are interested: https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954
What do you think about?
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Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
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Two things here....
If webOS is sold, it will be primarily for the patents, not to further develop the OS and APPs. As far as "normal" consumers are concerned there are currently only two mobile OSes, iOS and Android. Nothing else will sell in significant volume.
The interest in the TP has only ever been generated by the extremely low cost. Who wouldn't want a fully functional piece of hardware for $150 when the next best thing is over $400. Nobody can manufacture, market, and distribute this level of hardware for less than $300 and make money unless they have boat loads of content/services to sell behind it... HP doesn't have the content.
As good as it may be, WebOS is dead and HP has sealed it's fate.
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Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
If that would be the case, I'd be really happy if things will be compatible with current TP, I'm not concerned about WebOS itself, but more about new portings on this hardwares.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
And despite the fact that it is one of the newer tablets, it is a new tablet!
The HP TouchPad was well received, it's one of few concerns was the hardware. Which isn't bad, it's just different.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
It could go either way. They could sell it, to which end who knows. Or they could keep it, to which end who knows. Or they can sell parts of it and keep parts of it, to which end who knows.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
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Although your guesses don't explain that sentence by the new HP's CEO about "new" Touchpads during the interview...
Maybe they will port Windows 8 on a "new" Touchpad revision/version?
Here is a fairly recent news about it: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/10/24/hp-testing-windows-8-on-touchpads/
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Don't confuse "Touchpads" with "Tablets" yet to be developed. Meg used similar language when she spoke to the HP Employees back when the decision to keep PSG was announced. She indicated that for HP to stay in the Personal Computer Market they would have to have a tablet offering, but that it would address the business market, not the consumer market.
For the rest, I really hope CyanogenMod will continue with Android releases on this tablet, hoping for at least a good Beta version of Gingerbread, and would love the new ICS (when and if sources will be available of course), or at least Honeycomb.
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AMEN!!!!
By the way, I can't seem to find the news unfortunately, but it seems WebOS has been updated with new Patches/Apps and maybe content during the last days of October if I remembe correctly. It makes no sense if WebOS is definitely dead :-\
And the recent TouchPad Developer Device Purchase Program (https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18954) would be also a nonsense, given the current situation about WebOS.
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Yes there are updates, but it makes all the sense in the world. There is still a large division within HP that is working on WebOS and all of this is supposed to enhance the value of WebOS as they try to sell it to someone. HP would be stupid to just stop development and watch the value go completely to zero.
I still think we don't really know what's going on, and I personally can't guess what's going to come next.
But hey, I like talking about it, so please share your opinion if you care too!
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The Touchpad was a consumer play. There's no guessing about what happens next. Like I said before "normal" consumers only want one of two things, iOS or Android. It doesn't mean that either one of them are better than WebOS. When is the last time you saw a movie released on BetaMAX or even HD-DVD.
Don't get me wrong... I love my TP and I think WebOS has a lot of virtues, Apple and Google just had too big a head start and in an effort to differentiate themselves from the myriad of Android Tablets, HP took a shot at WebOS.
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People keep saying it's dead like it didn't just get 200,000 new users, 2 Firmware updates, and a constant flow of new apps which is more than any other tablet has gotten in the past month!
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See my response to Sippolo
The HP TouchPad was well received, ...
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Only at firesale prices. Why the heck do you think HP killed it.
It could be said that everyone who has a TouchPad now, we're in good standing.
Two operating systems. The power of synergy. Uniqueness in the tablet arena.
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Yep. That's all good.
Either ways, big TP is still, still, the best thing there is, at the moment.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
HP touchpad n stuff
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HP could just do what Google is doing, push out a bunch of tablets.
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google doesn't push tablets ......
tablets push google .
xD
srsly
another thing is why are people treating this device like a G1 or something.
It wouldn't make any sense for CM to not continue supporting the TP.
most of the hard work has been done, why would they stop now?
Not only that, but the TP has a large user base.
Just because you don't see 50,000 roms in the forums, doesn't meant it's dead.
Most are merely waiting for ICS to drop.
I know I am. I know a group of us are going to be working on getting ICS on the TP once source gets released.
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Only if you just refuse to buy Apple products (like myself), or cannot afford them.
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And you're talking a person who owns an iPad, iPhone and a TouchPad, whoa! That's just impossible! Lol
The fat lady has not sung. The TouchPad tragicomedy is just filled with twists and turns and surprises around every corner. Until then, people are going to be doing what they've been doing: sitting in the dug out until the next play is made.
If there was a better tablet, I would have moved on a long time ago. But it's just too good to put down.
The tablet market needs tablets like the TouchPad or it will continue to get stale.
So, I would say there's a high possibility. I feel like the new HP is different from the old HP, Meg Whitman knows how to please.
But even if nothing happens, the TouchPad is perfectly fine as is. And ICS is gonna make it even better.
I really appreciate your replies!
I wish I could help somewhat developing an ICS port for the Touchpad, though I'm still too newbie on that (never done something different from re-compiling a new kernel for my smartphone).
I really hope community will continue to develop on this device, lots of ROM's are anyway pointless, the main things are stable releases of Android OSs!
At any rate, I'm still curious about WebOS future and HP next steps on this, so please share any news/opinion you got!
I got a TP anticipating an android port. Playing with webOS while waiting, I came to the decision that I prefered it to what I expected of android for the screen size. Since the CM alpha release, I haven't had reason to change my original opinion. Mind you, I run CM nightlies on my G2, 1.9hhz OC, etc. Android is great for phones, but unless ICS makes some very serious changes I think it can still lose marketshare to a better os.
The question is if HP will commit the right resources to a real try at the market or pull the same ***t a second time.
Sadly, the only thing I am really hoping to see would be Ubuntu with the Unity interface.
Sent from my very "non-stock" TP.
http://youtu.be/NZ_t9cOIFzE
Made the video for my friend Jon to justify him buying it and excuse me trying to clear my nose a bit, was sick with a cold at the time of the video and it was difficult to breathe.
This is great! Any suggestions on how to get some of the features you're sporting here? e.g. the Honeycomb taskbar and the nifty backgrounds, etc?
This is honestly pretty cool.
I've been considering the nook tab myself.
I've really been hoping the devs can get ICS on it but, I'm still a a bit in limbo.
How much tweaking have you done to get your tab like that if you don't mind me asking?
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This is great! Any suggestions on how to get some of the features you're sporting here? e.g. the Honeycomb taskbar and the nifty backgrounds, etc?
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That the honeycomb launcher from syndicate apps and a few system apps I added.
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Indirect,
I would really like to know what keyboard that is that you're using. Thanks for the video.
I also made a quick video to show people how my NT is more than "just an e-reader" after a few mods. I made this and submitted it to an Android themed podcast called All About Android.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC60Kl4oVnQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
That is awesome.
Also, blow your nose.
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Indirect,
I would really like to know what keyboard that is that you're using. Thanks for the video.
I also made a quick video to show people how my NT is more than "just an e-reader" after a few mods. I made this and submitted it to an Android themed podcast called All About Android.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC60Kl4oVnQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Mine's cooler than yours lol. Anyway, it's the CrashNation Minimal Cyan keyboard found in the HTC Hero CDMA themes and apps section.
Indirect said:
Mine's cooler than yours lol. Anyway, it's the CrashNation Minimal Cyan keyboard found in the HTC Hero CDMA themes and apps section.
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Found something similar in Swiftkey for the time being.
Indirect,
Love your work. I owe just about everything I done with my NT to you. Thanks for all of your time & efforts.
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Hey Indirect, i noticed (obviously cause you pointed it out) you had Volume+ installed on your NT, how did you get it? When i tried to download it from the thread it said it was not compatible with my device. Did you just download the APK and install it anyway?
Also, nice looking NT and thanks for all the work you've done.
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Hey Indirect, i noticed (obviously cause you pointed it out) you had Volume+ installed on your NT, how did you get it? When i tried to download it from the thread it said it was not compatible with my device. Did you just download the APK and install it anyway?
Also, nice looking NT and thanks for all the work you've done.
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I used titanium backup to install and it's given me no issues except it uses speaker settings for headphones which is annoying. But that's it.
And thank you as well as no problem. I work hard to make your nooks look good and run even better.
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Indirect,
I would really like to know what keyboard that is that you're using. Thanks for the video.
I also made a quick video to show people how my NT is more than "just an e-reader" after a few mods. I made this and submitted it to an Android themed podcast called All About Android.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC60Kl4oVnQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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How did you get your go launcher to launch from the top right like that?
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This is kewl, but Im confused. So is the tablet now rooted? I am trying to decide between the color and the tablet. The one thing I like over the color is the built in "mic" so I could actually narrate a childrens book to my 6 year old daughter. So does this mean that we will soon be able to load roms like the color can now?
downsay said:
How did you get your go launcher to launch from the top right like that?
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I pressed & held the icons on the launcher's dock until I was able to remove them from the dock and drag them off onto the middle of the screen temporarily. Then I had + icons in their place. I tapped the + icons and selected the "Blank" option. I deleted all of the icons except the "Apps" icon which I was able to drag around anywhere I wanted.
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I pressed & held the icons on the launcher's dock until I was able to remove them from the dock and drag them off onto the middle of the screen temporarily. Then I had + icons in their place. I tapped the + icons and selected the "Blank" option. I deleted all of the icons except the "Apps" icon which I was able to drag around anywhere I wanted.
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That really made it a thing of beauty. Thanks a ton.
Below you will find a link to some awesome keyboards and I believe it is also where indirect got his from.
Don't forget to change the permissions once you move the keyboard over into your /system/app
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?=9862247
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That really made it a thing of beauty. Thanks a ton.
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I'd sure like a peek if you've got a screenshot.
randyreed1971 said:
This is kewl, but Im confused. So is the tablet now rooted? I am trying to decide between the color and the tablet. The one thing I like over the color is the built in "mic" so I could actually narrate a childrens book to my 6 year old daughter. So does this mean that we will soon be able to load roms like the color can now?
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The Nook Tablet is rooted, but it has a locked bootloader so custom ROMs are a no go at this point in time. And honestly, while it's possible that sometime in the future custom roms could be loaded, it's not worth betting your money on that feature (right now). Good people are putting in the effort, but the Nook Tablet is a tougher nut to crack than the Nook Color. Time will tell....
With all that said, you can pretty much do anything besides load custom roms on the tablet. With launchers and some apps that help tweak it you can get a very snappy little tablet. It just takes a little more tinkering right now to find your own happy place.
This is a hard decision! So going on the android market right now is a no go? But if you root it you can side load apps from the market? Can you surf the web with it right now the way it is? So what would you guys get? If they get past the bootloader problem, which I am sure they will, the only other advantage to the tablet besides the speed is the built in "mic" which later on could be used to talk while using the keyboard, (maybe) similar to the way a cell phone works? Just trying to weigh my options! Just trying to decide which one I want to get right now!
Can you side load the android market right now?
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This is a hard decision! So going on the android market right now is a no go? But if you root it you can side load apps from the market? Can you surf the web with it right now the way it is? So what would you guys get? If they get past the bootloader problem, which I am sure they will, the only other advantage to the tablet besides the speed is the built in "mic" which later on could be used to talk while using the keyboard, (maybe) similar to the way a cell phone works? Just trying to weigh my options! Just trying to decide which one I want to get right now!
Can you side load the android market right now?
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The market is fine for my uses. Apparently there are a few apps that don't show up but meh.
You can surf the web with the thing out of the box, no rooting or side loading required.
And yes the difference between the color and the tab is speed and the mic. The color is alright speedwise if you get a decent rom on it, and tweak it but it's still slow compared to the tab, even with B&N's relatively clunky interface. Also getting the color running at a decent pace takes a lot of effort, impacts battery life (think overclock) and it still has it's limits.
The bootloader is a huge issue though. If you want to run custom roms, i really can't recomend the tab.
If you just want to watch movies, surf the interwebs, or read books/comics/magazines, then I would highly recommend the tab. The nook color is a very special piece of hardware, but it's showing it's age with it's speed. The kindle fire might be better for hackers, but the display on the nook is...well...amazing. Take five minutes with a fire at target or something, then stop by B&N and play with the tab, you will see what i mean. The difference is huge.
To me the decision just came down to the display. The nook's is amazing, the fire's sucks. Since it's mostly a content consumption device, even if i was running custom firmware, the display is the most important part.
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This is a hard decision! So going on the android market right now is a no go? But if you root it you can side load apps from the market? Can you surf the web with it right now the way it is? So what would you guys get? If they get past the bootloader problem, which I am sure they will, the only other advantage to the tablet besides the speed is the built in "mic" which later on could be used to talk while using the keyboard, (maybe) similar to the way a cell phone works? Just trying to weigh my options! Just trying to decide which one I want to get right now!
Can you side load the android market right now?
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Once you get the market on the Nook Tablet, you can use the market to get your android apps. And yes, some apps don't show up in the market for one reason or another, but you can usually find ways around those issues and it's not a common thing from what I have seen.
For example, I had purchased the Slingplayer for my Android phone a few months ago. Once I rooted my tablet, got the market loaded, and signed in the market showed me Slingplayer all ready to download and install... and it works perfectly.
The biggest question you want to ask yourself is "What do I need the tablet to do?" If you consume a lot of Amazon content, the Fire is the choice. If you need a tablet that will go with custom roms sooner rather than later, then the Fire is a better bet. If you plan on loading a lot of your own content, or use the B&N content, then the Nook Tablet is going to be your choice. And finally if you don't mind tweaking a rooted tablet around the existing setup instead of needing custom roms or can be pretty patient in waiting, then you will do fine with a Nook. And just as an example, my Nook Tablet is going to end up replacing my iPad. I still have a couple of things to do to get it where I want it, but I'm pretty confident that's it is a perfect replacement for my iPad, even at this stage (rooted and tweaked by apps).
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The market is fine for my uses. Apparently there are a few apps that don't show up but meh.
You can surf the web with the thing out of the box, no rooting or side loading required.
And yes the difference between the color and the tab is speed and the mic. The color is alright speedwise if you get a decent rom on it, and tweak it but it's still slow compared to the tab, even with B&N's relatively clunky interface. Also getting the color running at a decent pace takes a lot of effort, impacts battery life (think overclock) and it still has it's limits.
The bootloader is a huge issue though. If you want to run custom roms, i really can't recomend the tab.
If you just want to watch movies, surf the interwebs, or read books/comics/magazines, then I would highly recommend the tab. The nook color is a very special piece of hardware, but it's showing it's age with it's speed. The kindle fire might be better for hackers, but the display on the nook is...well...amazing. Take five minutes with a fire at target or something, then stop by B&N and play with the tab, you will see what i mean. The difference is huge.
To me the decision just came down to the display. The nook's is amazing, the fire's sucks. Since it's mostly a content consumption device, even if i was running custom firmware, the display is the most important part.
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Thanks for the info, can we get some more
Is there a certain thread you followed to get your tablet to where it is now or would you be willing to put together some kind documentation to get the tablet like yours? Honestly, I'd (and a few others more then likely) would just need a set of steps we can follow... sorry for being a noob.
thanks in advance
I just got the "New IPad" and I have to say that I am not impressed at all. I have never used IOS before and it sucks Android on the Prime is what is going on, for real, and to be honest you cant even tell all that much the screen resolution difference it isn't that drastic! The New Ipad does look cleaner I will give it that but its just boring , so far its went something like this - Go to App Store find app ........... Wait (put in password-what)for an App to download ......... takes forever ......... Done finally ........ Play or use app. Why do the apps take so long to download then you have to type in your pass every time you download an app, that's crazy. I like my freedom, I heard it was hacked already I don't know how much freedom that will bring. No customization at all, I don't know if I wanna keep this thing or not. The Prime is way better so that's coming from someone that owns both. Get a Prime or just ............. Boring so far at least.
I didn't get a chance to try it out at the store because Walmart keeps them behind glass where I live. So i guess there to precious to touch, unlike all the androids that are out too display, use and try them out at will. It was the last one of the IPads so I figured I would buy it and if I didn't like it I would take it back haven't decided yet of course I'm going to give it a few days to see if I like it at all. So far I think it will see Walmart again. Here are some Pics I took side by side.
GAME SIDE BY SIDE MESSED UP AND HAD PRIME IN BATTERY SAVE, RUNNING @ 1GHZ MODE FOR AWHILE INSTEAD OF PERFORMANCE MODE 1.3GHZ - DONT EXPECT GAMESPOT QUALITY - FIRST COMPARISON VIDEO EVER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqyG_-4mI9M
BOTH ARE TURNED UP FULL BRIGHTNESS
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ONLY GAME I GOT RIGHT NOW THEY TAKE FOREVER TO DOWNLOAD
Wouldn't it have been better just to try one out in store and watch reviews online instead of buying it?
This really didn't need its own thread. Should have posted it in the Android VS Competition thread. Keep clutter down please.
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What kind of customization are you looking for? I never could understand the amount of time people spent staring at their widgets on the home screen.
Added a video same game side by side glu game
I didn't get a chance to try it out at the store because Walmart keeps them behind glass where I live. So i guess there to precious to touch, unlike all the androids that are out too display, use and try them out at will. It was the last one of the IPads so I figured I would buy it and if I didn't like it I would take it back haven't decided yet of course I'm going to give it a few days to see if I like it at all. So far I think it will see Walmart again. Here are some Pics I took side by side.
So what are your complaints about either of the devices anyways?
Great, you have a Galaxy Note as well . I've got all the three devices as well. Unfortunately, my Prime doesn't get too much usages, since I bought Note.
I have a good prime now except for Wifi and BT together sometimes goes out. Gonna get that fixed hopefully. But I get really good download speeds all around the house with the prime. I just wanted to try the IPad out because I have never owned one before so I figured I would give it a try. I don't just sit and stare at widgets though, you must be talking about someone else but they are nice to have, don't you agree? As you can tell I don't have my Prime all set up yet with widgets and all that other stuff. It just feels more comfortable to operate, but like I said this is my first IOS go, so it might get better, who knows? I'm only giving my INITIAL IMPRESSIONS of IOS and my experience with Android Initially was better, that's all!!!
I might pull my Prime out and see how many widgets I can put on the front page. Hell I might put Widgets on every page, nothing but all widgets, actually that might look nice. At least I know it would have the horsepower to operate in that fashion.
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Great, you have a Galaxy Note as well . I've got all the three devices as well. Unfortunately, my Prime doesn't get too much usages, since I bought Note.
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The note is sweeet I love it its perfect. tablet and phone with widgets. lol/jk it does have a really nice screen also. Did you root your note yet. If so what rom are you running? I cant decide yet just got it too. Oh the note is only turned up about half brightness by the way, it probably has the best display of all three. Today was a good day!
xGary said:
What kind of customization are you looking for? I never could understand the amount of time people spent staring at their widgets on the home screen.
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The widgets and customization are important for how useful they make the device to each individual user. I don't know about everyone else, but I have my home screens setup in such a way as to provide all of my necessary information available at a glance, along with widgets that allow me to do things like create new notes, create tasks, etc. with a single tap.
I don't spend a great deal of time staring at the widgets. Quite the opposite, in fact. Just a quick glance shows me everything I need to know. Getting at that same info on an iPad would require a whole bunch of tap icon, open app, tap home button, tap icon, open app, tap home button, tap button, open app, tap home button, rinse, repeat, over and over.
Tedious and inefficient...
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I don't spend a great deal of time staring at the widgets. Quite the opposite, in fact. Just a quick glance shows me everything I need to know. Getting at that same info on an iPad would require a whole bunch of tap icon, open app, tap home button, tap icon, open app, tap home button, tap button, open app, tap home button, rinse, repeat, over and over.
Tedious and inefficient...
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Right they are good to look and see what info you think is important real quick without interning into a program and the tap tap tap stuff. I personally would rather save my time take a quick look oh it's looking nice tomorrow and the next couple days, I'm running at good temps, My clock speed is what I want, I see my news flashes, etc. widgets widgets widgets man!
wynand32 said:
The widgets and customization are important for how useful they make the device to each individual user. I don't know about everyone else, but I have my home screens setup in such a way as to provide all of my necessary information available at a glance, along with widgets that allow me to do things like create new notes, create tasks, etc. with a single tap.
I don't spend a great deal of time staring at the widgets. Quite the opposite, in fact. Just a quick glance shows me everything I need to know. Getting at that same info on an iPad would require a whole bunch of tap icon, open app, tap home button, tap icon, open app, tap home button, tap button, open app, tap home button, rinse, repeat, over and over.
Tedious and inefficient...
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Exactly. I don't understand how Gary just thinks people sit there and stare at them. I personally have news, weather and gmail widgets. It's nice to not have to launch three apps to get a quick glance at everything. I can just scroll through the gmail widget and see if there are even emails I need to read and the same goes with news articles.
Widgets are interactive not just static, just much quicker to do the menial tasks.
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I just got the "New IPad" and I have to say that I am not impressed at all. I have never used IOS before and it sucks Android on the Prime is what is going on, for real, and to be honest you cant even tell all that much the screen resolution difference it isn't that drastic! The New Ipad does look cleaner I will give it that but its just boring , so far its went something like this - Go to App Store find app ........... Wait (put in password-what)for an App to download ......... takes forever ......... Done finally ........ Play or use app. Why do the apps take so long to download then you have to type in your pass every time you download an app, that's crazy. I like my freedom, I heard it was hacked already I don't know how much freedom that will bring. No customization at all, I don't know if I wanna keep this thing or not. The Prime is way better so that's coming from someone that owns both. Get a Prime or just ............. Boring so far at least.
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The customization you'll get from jail breaking is pretty much themeing and it slows the device down, there's no way to get more performance out of it. The things you'll be able to do once jail broken, you can do more on unrooted android..
I guess since development started slow people are second guessing? Believe me, things are coming, things are being worked on. That's just me, 40+hrs a week construction slows things down, im sure theres others like me. Check my git, stuff is slowly being added to my kernel. After that, aosp w/ some things.
>I personally have news, weather and gmail widgets. It's nice to not have to launch three apps to get a quick glance at everything.
How often do you need to check on news/mail/weather?
I check the weather once a day; mail, about once every couple of hours; news, never. If I want to read news, I'll fire up the browser.
It's a preference. I personally view widgets that have constantly updated content a distraction. Neither do I like live wallpaper. I'm a minimalist who dislikes eye candy.
iPad's lack of multitasking is a weakness, but is also a strength, depending how it's used. On a mobile device, multitasking isn't as important. iOS obviously is very responsive, is arguably more stable, and with a simple UI for anyone to navigate. I wouldn't hand an Android tab to my non-tech parents, at least not without tutoring them in its use.
Each platform has its fortes and foibles.
BTW, as a public service for Prime users, consider this a request to the mod to close this thread.
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The customization you'll get from jail breaking is pretty much themeing and it slows the device down, there's no way to get more performance out of it. The things you'll be able to do once jail broken, you can do more on unrooted android..
I guess since development started slow people are second guessing? Believe me, things are coming, things are being worked on. That's just me, 40+hrs a week construction slows things down, im sure theres others like me. Check my git, stuff is slowly being added to my kernel. After that, aosp w/ some things.
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+1 most kiddies on here think it takes 15minutes to prepare and cook and bake a rom/kernel/theme and it really pisses off some devs out there.
Ok I had to respond. I too own a Transformer Prime, new iPad and a ATT galaxy note. You can't honestly say you can't see a difference between screens. The iPads screen to me "27 YO Old 20/20 eyes" is farrrr crisper and clear. It seriously looks magazine page printed clear. Now before people get all hot in the pants I love my Prime too. But posting pictures or viewing a video over the web of course you aren't to be able to tell. All three devices have Pros and cons. Maybe if you had a super high end camera you could see the difference.
As a Prime owner for 2 months I was blown away by the new iPads screens as far as text clarity, zero light bleed, and very accurate color calibration and saturation. The note has the best color saturation but sometimes it looks overblown in movies. People's skin look pinkish etc. Wish I had the international version, you can change the picture mode like movie, standard etc. But the blacks on the Super Amoled are crushing the iPads LCD screen. So resolution isn't everything.
All three devices have their purpose. I haven't used a iPad since the 1st generation, and using it for a few days am impressed with its super snappiness, very fluid UI etc. So if your a person who likes to change your widgets, icon layout, live wallpapers than obviously the iPad isn't for you.
I bought it for the GF and play with it time to time. Especially using the direct tv guide app that android doesn't have yet. It's nice not getting hang up, or freezes or forces closes. But stil love the Prime and my Note. What the iPad is built to do, it does it well. I'll just say that.
And of course so does the Prime but it ultimately boils down to user preference. Not everyone like my GF needs to over clock, or add a custom rom etc...
One thing I've noticed that I like the iPad over the prime more is web browsing it the 4:3 ratio. Less scrolling and more content on the page. But.... Obviously the Prime wins for videos with its 16:10 and 16:9 ratio. But I only really use YouTube on my note, prime and iPad. The workhorse is my Samsung D8000 Plasma.
Please no ripping me, I gave honest non biased points. Good post thought. Do what I did use both for about a week. Than see if you feel the same. I too planned to return the iPad if we didn't like it. But I might hang onto it, along with my Prime. The GF wants too kill me, says I have too many gadgets. Prime, Note and iPad lol.
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>I personally have news, weather and gmail widgets. It's nice to not have to launch three apps to get a quick glance at everything.
How often do you need to check on news/mail/weather?
I check the weather once a day; mail, about once every couple of hours; news, never. If I want to read news, I'll fire up the browser.
It's a preference. I personally view widgets that have constantly updated content a distraction. Neither do I like live wallpaper. I'm a minimalist who dislikes eye candy.
iPad's lack of multitasking is a weakness, but is also a strength, depending how it's used. On a mobile device, multitasking isn't as important. iOS obviously is very responsive, is arguably more stable, and with a simple UI for anyone to navigate. I wouldn't hand an Android tab to my non-tech parents, at least not without tutoring them in its use.
Each platform has its fortes and foibles.
BTW, as a public service for Prime users, consider this a request to the mod to close this thread.
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Whether I check throughout the day as well as email. I ride a motorcycle and live in Texas where thunderstorms come out of nowhere sometimes. I also work as a software developer where my current role is support of production systems handling millions of dollars a day so I check email constantly. For the news its mostly tech blogs and like to just read the blurbs to decide if I want to read the full article or not.
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What kind of customization are you looking for? I never could understand the amount of time people spent staring at their widgets on the home screen.
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Well if you want to check your different updates (new mails on several accounts, agenda, twitter, facebook, news, weather, ... I could go on), you can see it all by just turning on your screen, instead of having to launch each app separately.
Also, it allows you to have widgets for shortcuts like switching wifi/bt/gps/... on and off with a single click, or anything else you might want to do without having to go through apps, menus, ....
If you don't see the advantage of that, then I can't help you..
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Well if you want to check your different updates (new mails on several accounts, agenda, twitter, facebook, news, weather, ... I could go on), you can see it all by just turning on your screen, instead of having to launch each app separately.
Also, it allows you to have widgets for shortcuts like switching wifi/bt/gps/... on and off with a single click, or anything else you might want to do without having to go through apps, menus, ....
If you don't see the advantage of that, then I can't help you..
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I usually add widgets just to add them on my note and prime. The weather and clock is more important to me.
Compared to iOS using toggles can be helpful for wifi,gps etc. but 8 out of 10 times I'll click the actual app icon lol.
drvsbsm said:
The note is sweeet I love it its perfect. tablet and phone with widgets. lol/jk it does have a really nice screen also. Did you root your note yet. If so what rom are you running? I cant decide yet just got it too. Oh the note is only turned up about half brightness by the way, it probably has the best display of all three. Today was a good day!
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Yes, I have it rooted (got the international version). I'm currently running Stunner ICS. Awesome ROM. Very stable and issue free.
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How often do you need to check on news/mail/weather?
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Well, obviously, if you define a scenario where such things are unimportant, then you're defining away the advantages of instant access to information. Now, most of the productive people I know need to have constant access to a wide variety of information, and indeed it's access to information that tablets (and indeed the iPad) are most often touted for. You know, how they can be used to get information quickly without resorting to booting a PC, etc.
So, if easy, fast, and convenient access to information is important, and widgets provide the easiest, fast, and most convenient access to it, then they should be pretty hard to dismiss as an advantage. This is why more and more reviewers are talking about how the iPad is nice hardware and has a smooth UI, but it's getting a bit long in the tooth in terms of the functionality provided by iOS.