Hope I don't get flamed since almost every new thread does but I am hoping when HTC decides to allow root that its not like an ota that just makes it nice and easy for everyone to do it.
Maybe I'm selfish but i liked that my EVO 4G was special..and i feel like the "wow" factor will be lost if every Joe schmoe can just root...I'm wondering how HTC will implement the unlock..but i would prefer they just dropped the encryption and let the devs do the rest..99% of phones owners have no clue what rooting or flashing etc is...and i like it that way..
Sorry if this considered a waste of thread space.. bring on the "you mad?" And face palm pics
Nah we got too many threads with the pics I wont bring em. Yea I felt root made my EVO special. People who don't care wont ask for it.
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Nah we got too many threads with the pics I wont bring em. Yea I felt root made my EVO special. People who don't care wont ask for it.
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@op. Most people don't want Su privilege or care to learn how to get it... Most people I talk to in real life only want root for better battery life... Yet don't know how get get root or use it. :/
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Yup same here
I think it would be awesome if everyone jumped on the ability to mod their phones the way we do. It would do wonders for HTC and Android.
Tapa tapa tapa
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I think it would be awesome if everyone jumped on the ability to mod their phones the way we do. It would do wonders for HTC and Android.
Tapa tapa tapa
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+1
All those talented developers that don't even know they have it in them are waiting to be awoke....
3D > iClone
Heck, Palm Pre owners mostly didn't use it, and it CAME rooted, basically... I didn't know a single other person who actually installed patches or used wifi tether...
General public doesn't care.
firmbiz94 said:
Hope I don't get flamed since almost every new thread does but I am hoping when HTC decides to allow root that its not like an ota that just makes it nice and easy for everyone to do it.
Maybe I'm selfish but i liked that my EVO 4G was special..and i feel like the "wow" factor will be lost if every Joe schmoe can just root...I'm wondering how HTC will implement the unlock..but i would prefer they just dropped the encryption and let the devs do the rest..99% of phones owners have no clue what rooting or flashing etc is...and i like it that way..
Sorry if this considered a waste of thread space.. bring on the "you mad?" And face palm pics
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On one hand that sounds like the very honest sentiment of a nerd who doesn't like that his 'special thing' is about to become a lot less special since the plebes will have easy access to something you worked hard at....kinda...
...on one hand, I identify...on the otherhand that is selfish and a tad shallow. "Don't do what I do that makes me special, that's only for me!"....but I'm not insulting you, I'm being honest even though I feel exactly that same as you on the issue.
Now on the the more practical matter: You are correct sir. 99% of all phone owners have no idea what it is--and that will not change. It has not changed...okay, maybe it went from 99% to 98%, but, that's not too bad.
Those 98% have no business flashing roms, radios, modifying their framework, flashing a recovery...In this world people with a 3G phone who want 4G--the "clever ones" anyway--will try flashing a 4G radio to it to "upgrade it", people who want sense on a samsung will try to flash that...XDA will be flooded with idiocy and internet gangsters who start flamewars with us real geeks for being, well, real geeks and not telling them our secrets of how to upgrade an OG droid to a droid3...etc etc etc.
Luckily, most people are completely ignorant of the matter and even if you TRY to tell them more they. simply. don't. give. a. ****...and that's if you are lucky enough to even get them to understand it.
Don't worry OP...I've been a geek hacking at my hardware and software since I got my first computer in 1990 with a 1200 baud modem...and even in this age where the internet is in everybody's pocket (something we used to have to hack into university systems to get back then), where 1.2ghz dual core processors are in everyone's pocket (my first computer was 4.77mhz with 512k of ram and a 20mb hard drive the size of a netbook)....and video game consoles are more powerful than a supercomputer the size of arkansas would have been back them....even amongst this flood of technology EVERYWHERE these people still prefer to remain ignorant, even the ones that aren't complete retards.
Our secrets are safe, unfortunately.
I like our "secret club" even though we are a dis functional family..I used to love when ppl wouldbbe like i have an EVO too and then the saw the POwwA of mine
All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
firmbiz94 said:
I like our "secret club" even though we are a dis functional family..I used to love when ppl wouldbbe like i have an EVO too and then the saw the POwwA of mine
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. You could advertise it with a non-stop crawl on the bottom of the screen starting before american idol and have it run for 2 days straight, blinking red, advertising the benefits of what we do and we wouldn't even notice a difference around here.
...maybe in other forums, but def not the e3d section.
It is entertaining here. I returned mine a week ago and can't stay away.
hockeyfamily737 said:
All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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And that's when I.believe we will run into trouble ..if they "give" us root and ppl f it up..even If they read the disclaimers they will raise unholy Hell to replace their "bricked" device..I think us.flashers are a small %...the amount of us that brick our phones is a small % of that..****..I would of have to actually try harder to brick my 4G than to flash something new..and even If i was successful there's always nandroid. Anyways I just worry I guess..I really enjoyed my experience with the 4G development..I wish it could be that way again..but HTC had to go and f that up.
hockeyfamily737 said:
All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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This is why you will not see a mass introduction of SU permissions made easy by HTC or Sprint. They know the impact this will make if they give every user out there that wants to flash ROM's or play with Kernel's, that they will end up with a massive payout of returns and loss of profits due to people ****ing up their phones because of their inability to actually learn. You can say your phone bricked itself right now when you flash ROMS and get a new phone without paying a deductible. If we know this, then don't think Sprint or HTC is ignorant enough to know that giving the masses complete control of their phones without some kind of watermark or time-stamp into their product, then they will lose out huge and potentially not be #1 anymore. The only S OFF you will see, is the S OFF were you will be marked like a 666 beast and given a choice to take a red pill or blue pill. It's your choice whether you travel down the rabbit hole.
When will this madness stop?
You guys dont seem to grasp the concept that HTC will NOT root your phone via an OTA. They are going to remove the encryption on the bootloader to allow us to get S-Off on the device and allow system writes to stick. It is not like you will automatically get S-Off and your device will be rooted when they release the OTA. If you do nothing your phone will be exactly the same.
I think everyone pretty much understands that HTC isn't going to magically root everyone's phones, however.......By the very nature of how public the discussion has become and by how very simple the actual rooting process has become SOME people who probably should not be rooting their phones will be. As I've said it's exactly what I've seen with the Nook...."Oh if I burn an SD card, I can have the Android market, cool!?!?"......"Oooops, now I have a blank screen, HELP IT'S BRICKED" Obviously many more people will go on oblivious to our fun, but a handfull who have half a clue will be flashing away without even knowing the risks & rewards of what they are doing.
fmedina2 said:
You guys dont seem to grasp the concept that HTC will NOT root your phone via an OTA. They are going to remove the encryption on the bootloader to allow us to get S-Off on the device and allow system writes to stick. It is not like you will automatically get S-Off and your device will be rooted when they release the OTA. If you do nothing your phone will be exactly the same.
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This.
The update will probably be an OTA, transparent change where a normal end user notices nothing different (except any bug fixes that were expected in the release). The nerdlings or the "community" at XDA then makes it S-OFF, then flashes custom recovery, then custom ROM.
Point being, HTC won't give you an update that has CM with it
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the evo is already one click rooted.. I don't see how that is so hard. People could root if they could figure it out. Most people won't like the evo 4g.
How many people will take the time out of their day to research what an ota update is for on their new 3vo. Not many.
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I would like to add that most people that have an HTC phone don't visit the HTC Facebook page and/or Twitter page and have no idea about this whole bootloader encryption and what it does. The phone will NOT be rooted by the OTA. All they will do is release an unencrypted bootloader which will probably take a simple fastboot command 'fastboot oem unlock' for it to be unlocked and "s-off". Then install a custom recovery, a rooted Rom and presto you are rooted. This to most people is still too scary to even mess with and risk ****ing up their phone for. For us on here it is a whole different experience. Phones today are pretty much unbrickable unless flashing a radio and pulling the battery or not letting it complete in some way. Most people will give two ****s less about the OTA and we will still be "special".
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I went from a G1 to a MT3G to an N1 to this perfectly sized vibrant with its smooth processor and beautiful display and I can honestly say I'm furious enough with all of its bloatware that for the first time I may take an android phone back solely because of the crapware (although the lack of a flash and trackball/pad are unforgiveable as well). Anyway:
Memo
Diary
Office (can't edit docs of course)
Gogo
mobitv
Avatar(its an f-ing app!!!)
Telenav (less than pointless and if you don't pay $10 a month for something you already have free from google you have yet another dead icon in your app drawer)
write and go (another note app?)
Swype tips (just shoot me)
Slacker
Layar
Audio postcard (I almost slammed my phone onto the pavement)
Daily briefing
I don't even think that covers it. I have two questions: if my previous 3 androids including the very awesome nexus one didn't come filled with the scum of the app market how theo **** did this happen to this phone? And more importantly what can I do about it without rooting? Thanks, I realize I'm probably late to the party on this deeply offensive issue but I'm here now and, frankly, I'd love to stay if I could turn this monstrosity back into an acceptable mobile device. Thanks again for any help
DMaverick50 said:
I went from a G1 to a MT3G to an N1 to this perfectly sized vibrant with its smooth processor and beautiful display and I can honestly say I'm furious enough with all of its bloatware that for the first time I may take an android phone back solely because of the crapware (although the lack of a flash and trackball/pad are unforgiveable as well). Anyway:
Memo
Diary
Office (can't edit docs of course)
Gogo
mobitv
Avatar(its an f-ing app!!!)
Telenav (less than pointless and if you don't pay $10 a month for something you already have free from google you have yet another dead icon in your app drawer)
write and go (another note app?)
Swype tips (just shoot me)
Slacker
Layar
Audio postcard (I almost slammed my phone onto the pavement)
Daily briefing
I don't even think that covers it. I have two questions: if my previous 3 androids including the very awesome nexus one didn't come filled with the scum of the app market how theo **** did this happen to this phone? And more importantly what can I do about it without rooting? Thanks, I realize I'm probably late to the party on this deeply offensive issue but I'm here now and, frankly, I'd love to stay if I could turn this monstrosity back into an acceptable mobile device. Thanks again for any help
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First of all. Calm down, man. It isn't that serious, they're just applications. Who gets so heated over extra applications. Especially when you have 1GB+ to install anything you want. Including any alternate launcher that has the ability to hide applications.
Second, you can't do anything without rooting because all those applications are system applications. It's simple and harmless to root. Then if you do you can just use an application like Root Explorer and delete them to to delight.
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i dont know, im still offended. Anyway wheres chrome to phone? I cant find it in the market and i searched "samsung vibrant chrome to phone download" but google just laughed at me
DMaverick50 said:
i dont know, im still offended. Anyway wheres chrome to phone? I cant find it in the market and i searched "samsung vibrant chrome to phone download" but google just laughed at me
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Even if you could find it. It'd be useless since it only works on 2.2 A.K.A Froyo.
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DMaverick50 said:
I went from a G1 to a MT3G to an N1 to this perfectly sized vibrant with its smooth processor and beautiful display and I can honestly say I'm furious enough with all of its bloatware that for the first time I may take an android phone back solely because of the crapware (although the lack of a flash and trackball/pad are unforgiveable as well). Anyway:
Memo
Diary
Office (can't edit docs of course)
Gogo
mobitv
Avatar(its an f-ing app!!!)
Telenav (less than pointless and if you don't pay $10 a month for something you already have free from google you have yet another dead icon in your app drawer)
write and go (another note app?)
Swype tips (just shoot me)
Slacker
Layar
Audio postcard (I almost slammed my phone onto the pavement)
Daily briefing
I don't even think that covers it. I have two questions: if my previous 3 androids including the very awesome nexus one didn't come filled with the scum of the app market how theo **** did this happen to this phone? And more importantly what can I do about it without rooting? Thanks, I realize I'm probably late to the party on this deeply offensive issue but I'm here now and, frankly, I'd love to stay if I could turn this monstrosity back into an acceptable mobile device. Thanks again for any help
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Wow... You seriously need to settle down. They are just applications. They aren't going to harm you. I don't think anyone has been as "offended" as you about it so you're the only person at that party. I'm curious since you stated you've owned 3 other T-Mobile android phones, did you not use the phone prior to your purchase? You're obviously not oblivious to this forum; so why didn't you check here first before having your meltdown? Just doesn't seem like an act of common sense...
Anyways, just use launcher pro and hide whatever apparently you don't want to see. Or root and remove them. Both are easy to do and don't require any further irrational behavior from you such as returning the phone.
Good luck!
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bummer about chrome to phone. And no i didnt use the phone, i still have my nexus but wife was at tmobile getting one so i wanted one too. But the crapware is just stupid, i dont care how much room i have on my phone that doesnt mean i want a bunch of useless **** on my phone. And like with my other phones, i refuse to root just to fix my multi-hundred dollar phone. im not against rooting, just not to make right what should come that way. But honestly, telenav? I mean if samsung or tmobile is going to try to curb their costs by adding redundant apps, they should at least give me the option to pay the extra few bucks to have a decent experience. There just needs to be a way for the average user to remove the crap.
Then again maybe im just pissed because of how i have to pay for how greedy these ****ty companies are. It never ends. I do like the UI though, ive heard nothing but bad things about touchwiz but the whole UI seems very put together. Android said for gingerbread they want the UI to look more cohesive, common visuals/elements. Like what touchwiz already has. Im not a huge fan of the dock or the utter lack of widgets, but its better than vanilla and even sense imo. so theres some positive feedback to even out the meltdown
DMaverick50 said:
bummer about chrome to phone. And no i didnt use the phone, i still have my nexus but wife was at tmobile getting one so i wanted one too. But the crapware is just stupid, i dont care how much room i have on my phone that doesnt mean i want a bunch of useless **** on my phone. And like with my other phones, i refuse to root just to fix my multi-hundred dollar phone. im not against rooting, just not to make right what should come that way. But honestly, telenav? I mean if samsung or tmobile is going to try to curb their costs by adding redundant apps, they should at least give me the option to pay the extra few bucks to have a decent experience. There just needs to be a way for the average user to remove the crap.
Then again maybe im just pissed because of how i have to pay for how greedy these ****ty companies are. It never ends. I do like the UI though, ive heard nothing but bad things about touchwiz but the whole UI seems very put together. Android said for gingerbread they want the UI to look more cohesive, common visuals/elements. Like what touchwiz already has. Im not a huge fan of the dock or the utter lack of widgets, but its better than vanilla and even sense imo. so theres some positive feedback to even out the meltdown
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Wow, you get offended too easily. Just to be fare, tmobile do give you an option to use or not to use the apps. If you don't feel like using those apps like telenav then don't use it. They are not billing you for it just because it's on your phone. You also have an option to root and remove those boatware. Just because you rooted and remove those bloatware it doesn't mean you're fixing anything. Just are just simply uninstalling a few apps. I'm sure some others find some of those bloatwares useful, so each to their own. Main point is, you have the option to decide how you want your phone to be. If it really bother and offend you that much then just stick with other android phones. I highly doubt anyone else find bloatware offensive.
LOL at this thread.
"OMG HOW DARE SAMSUNG MAKE EXTRA APPS FOR PEOPLE??...I DONT USE THEM SO NO ONE ELSE MUST EITHER!"
get over yourself. It's OK for Google to load your phone with Google talk and voice and maps (even though you can get them in the market), but not for the manufacturer? LOL
Cut it out.
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DMaverick50 said:
bummer about chrome to phone. And no i didnt use the phone, i still have my nexus but wife was at tmobile getting one so i wanted one too. But the crapware is just stupid, i dont care how much room i have on my phone that doesnt mean i want a bunch of useless **** on my phone. And like with my other phones, i refuse to root just to fix my multi-hundred dollar phone. im not against rooting, just not to make right what should come that way. But honestly, telenav? I mean if samsung or tmobile is going to try to curb their costs by adding redundant apps, they should at least give me the option to pay the extra few bucks to have a decent experience. There just needs to be a way for the average user to remove the crap.
Then again maybe im just pissed because of how i have to pay for how greedy these ****ty companies are. It never ends. I do like the UI though, ive heard nothing but bad things about touchwiz but the whole UI seems very put together. Android said for gingerbread they want the UI to look more cohesive, common visuals/elements. Like what touchwiz already has. Im not a huge fan of the dock or the utter lack of widgets, but its better than vanilla and even sense imo. so theres some positive feedback to even out the meltdown
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Dude seriously? Cry much? you have been here for over a year and did not do your research prior to buying the phone? This news was all over every gadget blog, all over these forums.
People here have given you options. Get over it and be an adult.
Lol quite a few people maybe not here find those apps useful
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Good thing you didn't buy an Epic 4G, you probably would have off'd yourself.
From what I've seen, the bloatware on the Vibrant is the most unoffensive of the SGS phones.
I am making a case for suspicious delay in S-OFF. We all know that they could do this right now. The package would be very small and would be low risk.
I am suspecting that the delay is giving them a chance to do the following:
1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF
2. Close current root exploits
3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM
and worse...
4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries.
Maybe not all of these will happen... but I am betting that at a minimum, accepting the HTC S-OFF is going to remove the ability to install an ENG bootloader, which would ultimately give us ALL the control.
I am open to being wrong... but please don't waste people's time with flames. If you disagree, then a simple -1 or an intellectual thought would suffice.
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All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
3D > iClone
My opinion is that they are taking their time in order to release their own "HTC Approved" S-off software, including rom flashing, etc etc. Chances are, they WONT just say, "Bam, S-Off", because they are a big company, and unlocking the bootloader publicly only invites the bottom 10% of stupid people to brick their phones because they don't know what they are doing.
"Well, HTC said it's ok... How was I supposed to know I could ruin my phone!?!?! Buy me a new one!"
They're going to go out of their way to make S-off and flashing new roms a mainstream, polished, clean thing, and not a "Do at your own risk, following some random dude on the internet's instructions" like it is right now.
That's my belief, anyway. I'm not sure what kind of securities and limitations HTC will put in place, but the top 1% of 1% of us will find a way to get past them anyway.
That would be awesome
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nate420 said:
All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
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Not really. People are complaining about how long it will take, and there may be an occasional opinion spattered here and there. But I articulated several scenarios which are quite plausible. And the discussion does deserve to be in one place.
So... you're welcome?
edufur said:
I am making a case for suspicious delay in S-OFF. We all know that they could do this right now. The package would be very small and would be low risk.
I am suspecting that the delay is giving them a chance to do the following:
1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF
2. Close current root exploits
3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM
and worse...
4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries.
Maybe not all of these will happen... but I am betting that at a minimum, accepting the HTC S-OFF is going to remove the ability to install an ENG bootloader, which would ultimately give us ALL the control.
I am open to being wrong... but please don't waste people's time with flames. If you disagree, then a simple -1 or an intellectual thought would suffice.
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-1. I don't think they will implement that much control. I'm thinking that it'll be more along the lines of them using a watermark, or something like that. That way, once you unlock it, the system is marked as being unlocked, thus voiding software warranty (I would hope that certain hardware things, such as faulty power button, volume buttons, camera button, 2d/3d switch etc etc would still be covered). Also, I'd bet that they've designed a new hboot all together, which can be unlocked via 'fastboot oem unlock'. As I said, I believe that unlocking it will either 'stain' the system, or perhaps even not be relockable. Maybe they've designed an hboot that once unlocked, it can't be relocked, thus never being able to fully unroot.
I don't think that Sprint really cares too much about it. People always say that tethering has a lot to do with why carriers might not want people to root, but there are plenty of tethering apps that don't require root. ****, we can tether already, even without having S-off.
It's already a given that HTC will eventually close the current root exploit. It is potentially dangerous. Teamwin thought it was potentially dangerous, to the point that they notified HTC about it. Obviously they did that hoping and knowing that HTC would close the exploit. We don't need or want to be susceptible to malware, should developers with malicious intentions decide to write some apps that steal all sorts of personal info. If we have S-off, even if they closed the current exploits, we could still flash a ROM that was already rooted. I really don't see them impeding us from using a custom recovery or anything like that. The backlash they would receive from all of us would be nuts. That would be total deception, if they gave us S-off, but then stopped us from being able to do any of the things that we are looking to do with S-off. They know why we want it. I truly think they are just trying to figure out a way to work out what may happen with the warranty issues, watermarking, or making it so that the bootloader isn't able to be set back to S-on once it's been set to S-off. They are trying to cover themselves somehow.
If they try to pull any shady stuff, and give us a half assed S-off, where we still didn't have full control of our phone, then I'm pretty sure there would be a massive uproar, and they know that. If they did something like that, I would imagine that at that point, a lot of people would really give up on HTC and move on to a manufacturer that isn't so deceptive.
nate420 said:
All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
3D > iClone
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lol, you really just can't hit the 'back' button and ignore a thread if you don't agree with it, huh? I find it comical.
HERE WE GO AGAIN
I have never said a negative comment on a thread but c'mon already!! stop cluttering the forum please! Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread on something you could have commented on a thread that was already there?
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k2buckley said:
-1. I don't think they will implement that much control. I'm thinking that it'll be more along the lines of them using a watermark, or something like that. That way, once you unlock it, the system is marked as being unlocked, thus voiding software warranty (I would hope that certain hardware things, such as faulty power button, volume buttons, camera button, 2d/3d switch etc etc would still be covered). Also, I'd bet that they've designed a new hboot all together, which can be unlocked via 'fastboot oem unlock'. As I said, I believe that unlocking it will either 'stain' the system, or perhaps even not be relockable. Maybe they've designed an hboot that once unlocked, it can't be relocked, thus never being able to fully unroot.
I don't think that Sprint really cares too much about it. People always say that tethering has a lot to do with why carriers might not want people to root, but there are plenty of tethering apps that don't require root. ****, we can tether already, even without having S-off.
It's already a given that HTC will eventually close the current root exploit. It is potentially dangerous. Teamwin thought it was potentially dangerous, to the point that they notified HTC about it. Obviously they did that hoping and knowing that HTC would close the exploit. We don't need or want to be susceptible to malware, should developers with malicious intentions decide to write some apps that steal all sorts of personal info. If we have S-off, even if they closed the current exploits, we could still flash a ROM that was already rooted. I really don't see them impeding us from using a custom recovery or anything like that. The backlash they would receive from all of us would be nuts. That would be total deception, if they gave us S-off, but then stopped us from being able to do any of the things that we are looking to do with S-off. They know why we want it. I truly think they are just trying to figure out a way to work out what may happen with the warranty issues, watermarking, or making it so that the bootloader isn't able to be set back to S-on once it's been set to S-off. They are trying to cover themselves somehow.
If they try to pull any shady stuff, and give us a half assed S-off, where we still didn't have full control of our phone, then I'm pretty sure there would be a massive uproar, and they know that. If they did something like that, I would imagine that at that point, a lot of people would really give up on HTC and move on to a manufacturer that isn't so deceptive.
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+1 this makes more sense then them doing something shady. if they do their fb will blow up like none other i believe lol
@k2buckley
That was a well thought out response. thanks for the non-flame...
I would still disagree a little though. I really don't think they would put something out and then say the warranty is void. I am pretty sure there are legal ramifications for that. If they wanted to do it that way, they would just leak the solution and let people toast it and have NO liability.
In addition, HTC has already stated that the solution they will be providing WILL grant S-ON and S-OFF toggling. This leads me to believe that they will release it, and it will shortly thereafter LOCK. They will then tell people to contact their carrier as they are the ones who re-locked it.
I personally think the only way to prevent this will be to NOT take updates and to wait for a hacked S-OFF along with an ENG bootloader... and then never taking an OTA.
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Not really. People are complaining about how long it will take, and there may be an occasional opinion spattered here and there. But I articulated several scenarios which are quite plausible. And the discussion does deserve to be in one place.
So... you're welcome?
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No ALL of your theories are in the other threads along with a few other conspiracy theories including but not limited to:
The Russians are controlling the updates
Blame Canada?
The T1000 that was "killed" in terminator 2 came back and stole it
Ect. Ect.
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lol, you really just can't hit the 'back' button and ignore a thread if you don't agree with it, huh? I find it comical.
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No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
Zoidpilot said:
HERE WE GO AGAIN
I have never said a negative comment on a thread but c'mon already!! stop cluttering the forum please! Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread on something you could have commented on a thread that was already there?
/endRANT
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It is actually YOUR post that is cluttering here. And the large PIC was even more clutter. There isn't a single post or reply that has made the case that I have made. This thread is about the case that I am making. Take your rant somewhere else please. Or go back and edit your post to just -1 (without the PIC clutter... seeing how you are against the clutter)
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No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
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You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
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+1 this makes more sense then them doing something shady. if they do their fb will blow up like none other i believe lol
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People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.
You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
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People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.
You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
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this is true but id think if sprint wanted it locked they would have told HTC no don't do that we don't want our customers to be able to unlock it. i mean all the OTA's to my understanding have to be approved by sprint and sprint has to check them first am i wrong here? that's what i understood was when we where all hitting up HTC about the gingerbread update for the
EVO.
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You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
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You have a lot of reading to do...
And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...
All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...
Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163223
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And who ever said there was a "delay"
Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints
Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...
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All this stuff and I point it out...I.recieve a 3 point infraction and the threads removed I call horse sh*t bro. Once again another thread about something written a million times
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And who ever said there was a "delay"
Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints
Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...
3D > iClone
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You have a lot of reading to do...
And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...
All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...
Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163223
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OMG... You went from "4 to 9" threads to ONE... And it doesn't even come close to covering the case that I am making. Item 1 in my case is PROVABLE.
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nate420 said:
No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
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Yea, I hear you. But there's really no way to stop someone from posting what they want to post. There is always some duplicate threads, always. I decided to post in this one, instead of the others. Was I supposed to search all of them, and see which one was posted first, and then reply in the first one? Hell no. This was the first one I saw (although I know there are more, but why would I want to find out which one was posted first, when I could just as easily reply to this one).
So although I agree with you that it can sometimes be annoying to have multiple threads about the same topic, I have pretty much come to accept that that is how it will always be. You can't control what other people are going to post on the internet, no matter how many facepalm pics people post in their threads. I see plenty of threads where I think to myself, "damn, I just ready a 32 page thread about the same topic, do I really need to click on this other one?" nah, I'll just pass it. Surely there isn't any info in this one that I didn't already read in the others. So yea, its just how it is. Especially in this forum, where it seems to be more hectic, hostile, and redundant than any other forum I've frequented, lol.
I think once people can start flashing roms and kernels, things will settle down. It's like a bunch of junkies in here, waiting for their next fix. Everyone is down eachothers throats. Idunno, in other forums, if two or more threads are 'accidentally' created with the same topic, the mods will usually merge the two threads together into one, to keep things more organized. That doesn't happen here. I think instead of everyone flaming and facepalming one another, that everyone should just report to a mod and they should merge the thread, quietly. So people wouldn't even know what happened. But that has never happens here on xda, so everyone just goes crazy flaming a newbie for posting a duplicate thread. Again, I agree..that if people would read up a bit before posting, they'd see that there is already a thread of similar nature for them to post in...but that's expecting a lot Things will eventually settle down.
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So sad to what this forum has become. This used to be where everyone posted their work sharing or not, so others could benefit from it....closed or enclosed. A place to make our machines the best they can be, to the point where if you mentioned this name or that name or mention this mod or that mod you will get banned. Simply terrible!!!! Now if you read my posts and see I hardly say anything and ive been here for a while. I've gotten to the point that this site is not much fun anymore. Example.... If a bunch of people want to post there home screens on a dev page, let them post it. It's tribute to the dev and no harm is done. Plus others can learn by actually learn by seeing there home screens. I'm just trying to bring back the actualization why we are all here in the first place....to learn... To contribute... To benefit, and make our pieces of machinery the best they cab be.
So in all, this community needs to be best and a top notch better then the rest. Keep pushing mods away and we will become second to none. I got enough off my chest. Good night...... Good fight.
Love all....
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I agree it's sad we have to watch what we say and can't share all of our work because of petty drama. But it is what it is. Kinda feels like the Apple/Google patent trolling. Just wish people would be mature and let better things improve our experience for everyone, but I know that's a utopia and won't happen. I also know there's more to it than that. I don't want to add fuel... But yes, I do wish that whole thing played out differently.
But I don't think home screen posts should flood a dev thread. It's annoying as it is having to sift through dozens of the same questions that are answered in the op. When I look at a rom or kernel or mod thread, I want to know the progress, the bugs, user experiences, and the direction of development. Not how people are laying out their widgets and apps. Not that so and so is drunk and wants to say what's up, although sometimes those can be entertaining. Not little chit chat of members catching up because they hadn't talked in a while. It's going to happen regardless of what I want... But I can dream. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting these things be prohibited... Just sharing my views on the matter.
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Just don't contribute here, simple as that.
There are other places with a lot of people you already know.
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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Again, what about the ILLEGAL PRL, and WiFi tether? Is that not warez?
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Volumes said:
Again, what about the ILLEGAL PRL, and WiFi tether? Is that not warez?
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We can't control what Prl you flash. It's also not the greatest idea in general. The site has numerous carriers, if you choose to flash something that is not meant for your carrier that's up to you.
All carriers have things in place to stop people from tethering and using other prls. They can stop it if they want. If they hit us with a c&d we would block it all, however wifi tether apps are on the play store. Kernels are governed by a specific law the gpl, we require that is complied with. Technically you can say that rooting your phone shouldn't be allowed since the carriers don't want that either. Wrong battle to fight.
pstevep said:
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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Just wanted to thank you for this explaination of why they are considered "warez" on XDA. It's not because they are actually "warez" or illegal as some seem unwilling to stop publically claiming, but rather because XDA and he have mutually decided that they are not for XDA. Altough I don't understand why if something is found elsewhere that works for some it cannot be discussed. I understand not linking, but discussing. Altough, I guess it just leads to flame wars and is best not talked about at all. Thanks pstevep!
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We can't control what Prl you flash. It's also not the greatest idea in general. The site has numerous carriers, if you choose to flash something that is not meant for your carrier that's up to you.
All carriers have things in place to stop people from tethering and using other prls. They can stop it if they want. If they hit us with a c&d we would block it all, however wifi tether apps are on the play store. Kernels are governed by a specific law the gpl, we require that is complied with. Technically you can say that rooting your phone shouldn't be allowed since the carriers don't want that either. Wrong battle to fight.
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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It's not illegal. The things you mentioned are not illegal.
Yeah without all the drama here I've become bored with this place.
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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Man...there is no LAW that says that rooting your phone or using wireless tether is against the law. GPL is based on copyright law so it is a law that has to be followed.
Rooting your phone and using wireless tether might be against your contract with your carrier but there is NO LAW that says you cannot do it.
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what is the point of flaming mods for doing what they need to do to keep order?
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I'm sorry, but your definition is incorrect
— n
informal illegally copied computer software which has had its protection codes de-activated (Dictionary DOT com)
You're upsetting people by using terminology that already exists to wrongfully describe someone. You CAN NOT change the dictionary. You CAN NOT say that someone who is black that is actually white
you want this to stop. stop saying things like that. When a cop faces a near rioting crowd, the last thing he should do is beat one with his flashlight to push everyone over the limit and start rioting. your problem may not have started with the mods, but it's being perpetuated by their poor handling. *including this quoted post*
you must conduct yourself in an acceptable manner even in the face of adversity. If you're a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard and people all around the web complain about XDA's moderators the most ~ wonder why.
pstevep said:
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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I'm sorry, but your definition is incorrect
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informal illegally copied computer software which has had its protection codes de-activated (Dictionary DOT com)
You're upsetting people by using terminology that already exists to wrongfully describe someone. You CAN NOT change the dictionary. You CAN NOT say that someone who is black that is actually white
you want this to stop. stop saying things like that. When a cop faces a near rioting crowd, the last thing he should do is beat one with his flashlight to push everyone over the limit and start rioting. your problem may not have started with the mods, but it's being perpetuated by their poor handling. *including this quoted post*
you must conduct yourself in an acceptable manner even in the face of adversity. If you're a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard and people all around the web complain about XDA's moderators the most ~ wonder why.
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That almost made a point.
Except.
It states that it's warez, which is slang (as notated in your definition by "informal"). And in this instance means not allowed on this site.
Really? You don't want to argue semantics with me, it's not worth it to either of us.
This site is fine. It's the users ruining it. Not reading rules, not abiding by them or arguing them in inappropriate ways (this thread for example) . I've been to plenty of sub forums in this site where things are fine.
I think everyone is expecting this to be picture perfect when it never will be. There will always be someone doing something they shouldn't and whether people do things they should or should not do in response to it determines how these forums are viewed. :beer:
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I really hate to jump into this topic as I have been trying really hard to ignore it but it just keeps popping up. So here is my 2 cents.
XDA-Developers is a PRIVATELY OWNED Site. The rules they have or want to impose on people that use this site are up to them. When they make a decision to enforce a rule, good or bad, It stands.
From all my years of browsing forums, One thing stands out among all comunities.
That people think this little corner of the internet is a Democracy.
It is in fact not, It is more of an Autocracy.
To all you homeowners out there or people that can relate to owning property or personal space, How would you feel if someone marched onto your property and tried to tell you what to do, how to do it, and what rules you should have on YOUR property? That wouldn't fly im sure.
The government tells you what you can or cant do with your property, you make decisions about your property as long as its legal and the government tells you its OK.
Joe Crackhead walking by on the street has no right or ability to tell you what to do with any aspect of your property, nor force his opinion on you on what he "thinks" is the best way.
Bottom line is this is the house of XDA, and the owner says what goes.
So please, for the love of god just follow whatever rules they impose, no matter how stupid you may think they are, and go about your daily business. In all actuality you have absolutely no right to ***** and moan about anything the higher ups have to say about squat.
Let the rants and pissing and moaning stop. If you don't like what is going on take it to the source, feel free to contact the owner of the site or the admins directly with your issues. Hell, start a damn petition. But whatever you do just do it off of their private property that they allow you to use before they revoke that "right" you think you have.
IRL you cant even protest on private property, why does anyone think this is any different?
This isn't aimed at anyone or any group specific, Its just aimed at the general population that thinks this is some kind of public property owned by all.
Leave the MODS out of it as they are just following orders from people that tell them what to do. They are in a lose lose situation as if they don't do what they are told they catch **** from the owner/admins and if they do they catch **** from the community.
Do I think the MODS sometimes should handle things in a different way? YES
But guess what? They DON'T have to, and thats not up to me or you to even have an opinion about.
Believe me the people they are answering to are not the community. They explain things that happen out of courtesy.
Get it out of your heads that any of you have any "rights" on this or any other message board and
please, please, please
LET IT DIE
As for the warez argument, warez is software that is shared without permission.
Im not going to get into the "legal or illegal" argument. See my explanation on this website is Privately owned.
If the government says its not illegal great,
If XDA says its illegal then it is illegal on this board.
Government > XDA > You
that's the decision making process here on XDA, simplified of coarse
XDA says no sharing of that software
whats his name says no sharing of that software on XDA
They agree, why cant you?
This is the first and will be the last time you will hear from me about this topic, It is common sense that you all should know.
Wow somebody ban this guy
I don't say a whole lot on these forums, but I'm in them everyday. I've been on xda far longer than most that post in this, or any other thread. I have to say the flaming has gotten to epic proportions, and it was inevitable that the ban hammer was going to fall sooner or later. Xda used to be the "go-to" site for all devs to show their craft. The adoption rate of android has finally caught up with this place and the maturity has plummeted, thus creating a graveyard of devs in its wake. People complain about the mods in the same manner they complain about the police. Without the police, the "kids" would run this place even worse and drive all the talent away. Posting in here shouldn't be a e-pene measuring contest, it should be for the reason we are all here, to live on the cutting edge of software and squeeze everything we can out of our phones.
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
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Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.
I will be linking this post FREQUENTLY.
hehe - nice writeup!
I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
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I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
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great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
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great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
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Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
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Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
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what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
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sachoosaini said:
what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
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I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
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I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
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Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
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Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
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I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
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I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
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Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
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Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
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I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
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I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
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One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
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One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
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I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
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I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
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well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
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well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
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Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
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Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
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Yeah I guess i gone away from the topic. But whenever the topic comes of following GPL companies dodge the question. And most of INdian companies just "nvm" thinking. And for rooting there is nothing like jail here... Things are changing here as people are getting conscious about what are laws and what companies main motive behind hiding like GPL. Well like in america people and devs community slams the companies for not putting sources online.
I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
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I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
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As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
RebelO7 said:
As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
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Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
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Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
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It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
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It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
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It's really that simple? Just a slightly colorful version of the stock lockscreen?
So beyond that, it's basically just AOSP versions of the other apps, I assume.
Pretty disappointing now that you bring that up. Seemed like it would be more intriguing than that.