All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes jack a dull boy.
So sad to what this forum has become. This used to be where everyone posted their work sharing or not, so others could benefit from it....closed or enclosed. A place to make our machines the best they can be, to the point where if you mentioned this name or that name or mention this mod or that mod you will get banned. Simply terrible!!!! Now if you read my posts and see I hardly say anything and ive been here for a while. I've gotten to the point that this site is not much fun anymore. Example.... If a bunch of people want to post there home screens on a dev page, let them post it. It's tribute to the dev and no harm is done. Plus others can learn by actually learn by seeing there home screens. I'm just trying to bring back the actualization why we are all here in the first place....to learn... To contribute... To benefit, and make our pieces of machinery the best they cab be.
So in all, this community needs to be best and a top notch better then the rest. Keep pushing mods away and we will become second to none. I got enough off my chest. Good night...... Good fight.
Love all....
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I agree it's sad we have to watch what we say and can't share all of our work because of petty drama. But it is what it is. Kinda feels like the Apple/Google patent trolling. Just wish people would be mature and let better things improve our experience for everyone, but I know that's a utopia and won't happen. I also know there's more to it than that. I don't want to add fuel... But yes, I do wish that whole thing played out differently.
But I don't think home screen posts should flood a dev thread. It's annoying as it is having to sift through dozens of the same questions that are answered in the op. When I look at a rom or kernel or mod thread, I want to know the progress, the bugs, user experiences, and the direction of development. Not how people are laying out their widgets and apps. Not that so and so is drunk and wants to say what's up, although sometimes those can be entertaining. Not little chit chat of members catching up because they hadn't talked in a while. It's going to happen regardless of what I want... But I can dream. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting these things be prohibited... Just sharing my views on the matter.
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Just don't contribute here, simple as that.
There are other places with a lot of people you already know.
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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Again, what about the ILLEGAL PRL, and WiFi tether? Is that not warez?
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Again, what about the ILLEGAL PRL, and WiFi tether? Is that not warez?
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We can't control what Prl you flash. It's also not the greatest idea in general. The site has numerous carriers, if you choose to flash something that is not meant for your carrier that's up to you.
All carriers have things in place to stop people from tethering and using other prls. They can stop it if they want. If they hit us with a c&d we would block it all, however wifi tether apps are on the play store. Kernels are governed by a specific law the gpl, we require that is complied with. Technically you can say that rooting your phone shouldn't be allowed since the carriers don't want that either. Wrong battle to fight.
pstevep said:
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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Just wanted to thank you for this explaination of why they are considered "warez" on XDA. It's not because they are actually "warez" or illegal as some seem unwilling to stop publically claiming, but rather because XDA and he have mutually decided that they are not for XDA. Altough I don't understand why if something is found elsewhere that works for some it cannot be discussed. I understand not linking, but discussing. Altough, I guess it just leads to flame wars and is best not talked about at all. Thanks pstevep!
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We can't control what Prl you flash. It's also not the greatest idea in general. The site has numerous carriers, if you choose to flash something that is not meant for your carrier that's up to you.
All carriers have things in place to stop people from tethering and using other prls. They can stop it if they want. If they hit us with a c&d we would block it all, however wifi tether apps are on the play store. Kernels are governed by a specific law the gpl, we require that is complied with. Technically you can say that rooting your phone shouldn't be allowed since the carriers don't want that either. Wrong battle to fight.
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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It's not illegal. The things you mentioned are not illegal.
Yeah without all the drama here I've become bored with this place.
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But you can supply it, so its illegal to do drugs but, you supply them?
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Man...there is no LAW that says that rooting your phone or using wireless tether is against the law. GPL is based on copyright law so it is a law that has to be followed.
Rooting your phone and using wireless tether might be against your contract with your carrier but there is NO LAW that says you cannot do it.
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what is the point of flaming mods for doing what they need to do to keep order?
Lead by example
I'm sorry, but your definition is incorrect
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informal illegally copied computer software which has had its protection codes de-activated (Dictionary DOT com)
You're upsetting people by using terminology that already exists to wrongfully describe someone. You CAN NOT change the dictionary. You CAN NOT say that someone who is black that is actually white
you want this to stop. stop saying things like that. When a cop faces a near rioting crowd, the last thing he should do is beat one with his flashlight to push everyone over the limit and start rioting. your problem may not have started with the mods, but it's being perpetuated by their poor handling. *including this quoted post*
you must conduct yourself in an acceptable manner even in the face of adversity. If you're a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard and people all around the web complain about XDA's moderators the most ~ wonder why.
pstevep said:
What I love most is the fact that everyone wants to complain about rules, how much drama there is and how much fun they aren't having.
You want to know how much "fun" I've had in the past 8 months? No you don't because you don't really care.
Devs decide how much off topic to allow in their threads. If the dev wants the thread to be strictly development that's where it stands. We have share your home screen threads so you can show off your home screen. Not all developers want to see it.
Drama concerning users that aren't on this site. I personally tried to get everyone cooperating before all of the drama happened. We have rules, just like other sites have rules. This Site and that dev parted ways, and came to an agreement that his stuff was not to be used or linked here and his name was to be erased from the site and not to be mentioned. Because his work is not to be used here and we want no ties with him that makes his kernels warez.
Everything was fine for about a month, but I guess that was before source was released. There are other kernel devs out there but they won't post because the users in this forum bring so much trash into threads. I know at least 2 other people in this forum that are working on kernels, none of which have any threads for their work.
But does it matter? No. Because everyone is stuck on the second coming of a dev that won't/can't come back.
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I'm sorry, but your definition is incorrect
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informal illegally copied computer software which has had its protection codes de-activated (Dictionary DOT com)
You're upsetting people by using terminology that already exists to wrongfully describe someone. You CAN NOT change the dictionary. You CAN NOT say that someone who is black that is actually white
you want this to stop. stop saying things like that. When a cop faces a near rioting crowd, the last thing he should do is beat one with his flashlight to push everyone over the limit and start rioting. your problem may not have started with the mods, but it's being perpetuated by their poor handling. *including this quoted post*
you must conduct yourself in an acceptable manner even in the face of adversity. If you're a moderator, you should be held to a higher standard and people all around the web complain about XDA's moderators the most ~ wonder why.
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That almost made a point.
Except.
It states that it's warez, which is slang (as notated in your definition by "informal"). And in this instance means not allowed on this site.
Really? You don't want to argue semantics with me, it's not worth it to either of us.
This site is fine. It's the users ruining it. Not reading rules, not abiding by them or arguing them in inappropriate ways (this thread for example) . I've been to plenty of sub forums in this site where things are fine.
I think everyone is expecting this to be picture perfect when it never will be. There will always be someone doing something they shouldn't and whether people do things they should or should not do in response to it determines how these forums are viewed. :beer:
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I really hate to jump into this topic as I have been trying really hard to ignore it but it just keeps popping up. So here is my 2 cents.
XDA-Developers is a PRIVATELY OWNED Site. The rules they have or want to impose on people that use this site are up to them. When they make a decision to enforce a rule, good or bad, It stands.
From all my years of browsing forums, One thing stands out among all comunities.
That people think this little corner of the internet is a Democracy.
It is in fact not, It is more of an Autocracy.
To all you homeowners out there or people that can relate to owning property or personal space, How would you feel if someone marched onto your property and tried to tell you what to do, how to do it, and what rules you should have on YOUR property? That wouldn't fly im sure.
The government tells you what you can or cant do with your property, you make decisions about your property as long as its legal and the government tells you its OK.
Joe Crackhead walking by on the street has no right or ability to tell you what to do with any aspect of your property, nor force his opinion on you on what he "thinks" is the best way.
Bottom line is this is the house of XDA, and the owner says what goes.
So please, for the love of god just follow whatever rules they impose, no matter how stupid you may think they are, and go about your daily business. In all actuality you have absolutely no right to ***** and moan about anything the higher ups have to say about squat.
Let the rants and pissing and moaning stop. If you don't like what is going on take it to the source, feel free to contact the owner of the site or the admins directly with your issues. Hell, start a damn petition. But whatever you do just do it off of their private property that they allow you to use before they revoke that "right" you think you have.
IRL you cant even protest on private property, why does anyone think this is any different?
This isn't aimed at anyone or any group specific, Its just aimed at the general population that thinks this is some kind of public property owned by all.
Leave the MODS out of it as they are just following orders from people that tell them what to do. They are in a lose lose situation as if they don't do what they are told they catch **** from the owner/admins and if they do they catch **** from the community.
Do I think the MODS sometimes should handle things in a different way? YES
But guess what? They DON'T have to, and thats not up to me or you to even have an opinion about.
Believe me the people they are answering to are not the community. They explain things that happen out of courtesy.
Get it out of your heads that any of you have any "rights" on this or any other message board and
please, please, please
LET IT DIE
As for the warez argument, warez is software that is shared without permission.
Im not going to get into the "legal or illegal" argument. See my explanation on this website is Privately owned.
If the government says its not illegal great,
If XDA says its illegal then it is illegal on this board.
Government > XDA > You
that's the decision making process here on XDA, simplified of coarse
XDA says no sharing of that software
whats his name says no sharing of that software on XDA
They agree, why cant you?
This is the first and will be the last time you will hear from me about this topic, It is common sense that you all should know.
Wow somebody ban this guy
I don't say a whole lot on these forums, but I'm in them everyday. I've been on xda far longer than most that post in this, or any other thread. I have to say the flaming has gotten to epic proportions, and it was inevitable that the ban hammer was going to fall sooner or later. Xda used to be the "go-to" site for all devs to show their craft. The adoption rate of android has finally caught up with this place and the maturity has plummeted, thus creating a graveyard of devs in its wake. People complain about the mods in the same manner they complain about the police. Without the police, the "kids" would run this place even worse and drive all the talent away. Posting in here shouldn't be a e-pene measuring contest, it should be for the reason we are all here, to live on the cutting edge of software and squeeze everything we can out of our phones.
Boom goes the dynamite
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Tiny Wings Bounce you play as the bird who cant fly because he is too fat. However press anywhere on the lower and middle of screen and he can bounce.Collect yellow coins to add time on the timer , collect blue coins to add double yellow coins time to the timer. Windows mobile WVGA 800x480 resolution. For smooth performance turn off othe running apps.
Features:
Highscore save to challenge yourself over and over.
Background color changes to reflect time is running out.
Catchy music and sound-effects.
How to play
Tap anywhere on the screen to bounce
If you collect a yellow coin , tap again to do double and triple jumps.
Extra: If anyone can make a good video put it on youtube and here , I will send you a computer version you can play on your PC.
Original Tiny Wings game made by Andreas illger for iphone.
So what type of highscores does everyone have? 40,000 , 50,000 or 100,000 . I look forward to seeing screenshots posted.
Hi, I will get the ball rolling. After playing this addicting game for a while, my highest score thus far is 63,010 points.
Edit: My new high score is 84,170 points.
http://www.andreasilliger.com/
I hope you got permission for that audio.
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http://www.andreasilliger.com/
I hope you got permission for that audio.
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Well I got the audio from a video not his website. I love when people somehow become police around here. Iam not selling the game but providing freeware. I love it !!! I make a freeware game and someone always comes with copywrite stuff all the time.
Look Iam making games so that when people get bored they can play for FREE. Its not like Iam making a million dollars ripping someone off!!! Iam making zero,$0,nada,nothing from this game. I swear people start this non-sense because they have no life.
Well I'm not gonna do anything about it, but someone else might; people are police around here cuz xda as a whole is trying to keep a clean professional rep. In general, mobile piracy happens mostly on forums, and xda doesn't want to be associated with that.
The least you could do is say "inspired by" and "music / noises by" in your first post, and provide a link to the iOS game...
Also, it's not nonsense; the US government (and most of the world for that matter) haven't yet decided how to handle copyright cases, and so there are a lot of unreasonable consequences forced upon the defendant. Even for petty cases, the courts and government turn a blind eye to illegal responses (and in excessive force) by companies "protecting" their content. Even in something as small as this, for your own good, cover your back.
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Well I'm not gonna do anything about it, but someone else might; people are police around here cuz xda as a whole is trying to keep a clean professional rep. In general, mobile piracy happens mostly on forums, and xda doesn't want to be associated with that.
The least you could do is say "inspired by" and "music / noises by" in your first post, and provide a link to the iOS game...
Also, it's not nonsense; the US government (and most of the world for that matter) haven't yet decided how to handle copyright cases, and so there are a lot of unreasonable consequences forced upon the defendant. Even for petty cases, the courts and government turn a blind eye to illegal responses (and in excessive force) by companies "protecting" their content. Even in something as small as this, for your own good, cover your back.
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So in your mind me using the music is equivelent to piracy. So how about all the
ROMs and android working on windows mobile , do you think thats legal?
If you didnt know Tiny Wings is an iphone game , which most people do , its not my fault.
Look at flash games that use mario or sonic , look at the internet as a whole. Piracy is giving away payed goods for free or making money off of someones work.
Obviously you dont even know the definition of Piracy if you think Iam a pirate Hahahahaha . Now thats too funny , also Mr.Andreas already knows about my port and doesnt care .
Freeware=Piracy LOL!!!
I do not think this is piracy, I merely pointed out that forums such as these are easily susceptible to unknowingly hosting several kinds of illicit data. If whatshisface is ok with it so be it, but I still think you should give him credit for the idea out of common decency.
I have not been attacking you at all, so stop being overly defensive.
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I do not think this is piracy, I merely pointed out that forums such as these are easily susceptible to unknowingly hosting several kinds of illicit data. If whatshisface is ok with it so be it, but I still think you should give him credit for the idea out of common decency.
I have not been attacking you at all, so stop being overly defensive.
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In a way you have been attacking him and continue too by calling his game illicit data.. are you an xda Mod? No i didn't think so, so stop trying to police this thread!! If you have a problem with it use the report button thats what it's there for!! Can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't get defensive if you spent countless hours making fun games to share for FREE, then instead of getting thanked, all you get in return is "I hope you got permission for that audio."? Give OP a break, I'm sure if it was such a problem xda wouldn't allow him to continually share his works here!!
@ Op.. Thanks again for sharing all your fun games with us!!
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In a way you have been attacking him and continue too by calling his game illicit data.. are you an xda Mod? No i didn't think so, so stop trying to police this thread!! If you have a problem with it use the report button thats what it's there for!! Can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't get defensive if you spent countless hours making fun games to share for FREE, then instead of getting thanked, all you get in return is "I hope you got permission for that audio."? Give OP a break, I'm sure if it was such a problem xda wouldn't allow him to continually share his works here!!
@ Op.. Thanks again for sharing all your fun games with us!!
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I am merely giving a friendly warning. Technically, it isn't legal even if it's non profit...
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I am merely giving a friendly warning. Technically, it isn't legal even if it's non profit...
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Again let xda deal with it if it's not legal! I still fail to see how your comment "I hope you got permission for that audio" translates to a so called friendly warning? You would have pm'ed him your message or would have worded it differently if your intent was to be friendly. To me it seems like your trying to start trouble here and get it removed.
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So how about all the
ROMs and android working on windows mobile , do you think thats legal?
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Also, yeah, this stuff is perfectly legal.
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Again let xda deal with it if it's not legal! I still fail to see how your comment "I hope you got permission for that audio" translates to a so called friendly warning? You would have pm'ed him your message or would have worded it differently if your intent was to be friendly. To me it seems like your trying to start trouble here and get it removed.
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Instead of "letting xda deal with it", you could, you know, give credit and cover your back so xda doesn't have to deal with it. If I were trying to get it removed, I would have actually done something. Talking to you guys about covering your backs isn't starting trouble...
Also, "friendly warning" = no repercussions. I'm warning him, I'm not calling him out on it or tipping off anyone. I'm not being nice about it either, because not giving credit to the author is very discourteous, legality aside.
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Instead of "letting xda deal with it", you could, you know, give credit and cover your back so xda doesn't have to deal with it. If I were trying to get it removed, I would have actually done something. Talking to you guys about covering your backs isn't starting trouble...
Also, "friendly warning" = no repercussions. I'm warning him, I'm not calling him out on it or tipping off anyone. I'm not being nice about it either, because not giving credit to the author is very discourteous, legality aside.
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No actually that would be warning = no repercussions. You claimed "friendly" when there's been nothing friendly about any of your posts in this thread. You're acting as if he took the original, resized it, and is now calling it his own or as if he owes you something. Like I said if it was such a problem xda would/could make appropriate changes not you!! You shared your views and gave your "friendly" warning to the op so move on already!!
I ,like many other users, appreciate the hard work and time OP puts into bringing us all these amazing games! So lets get this thread back on track.. Any new high scores out there??
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No actually that would be warning = no repercussions. You claimed "friendly" when there's been nothing friendly about any of your posts in this thread. You're acting as if he took the original, resized it, and is now calling it his own or as if he owes you something. Like I said if it was such a problem xda would/could make appropriate changes not you!! You shared your views and gave your "friendly" warning to the op so move on already!!
I ,like many other users, appreciate the hard work and time OP puts into bringing us all these amazing games! So lets get this thread back on track.. Any new high scores out there??
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Why don't you let OP fight his own battles, please?
Look Timmy Marsh is the Moderator for this forum. If he says its ok then its ok end of story.
1)This game is all over the internet , no problems as the developer Andreas knows about this game.
2)Also everybody knows about the iphone game that Andreas made. Its like angry birds , everyone knows who made that game.
3)I never ever said I originally made this game. All I say is I brought it here for everyone to enjoy.
So your one of the few people who are still waiting for developers to make iphone/ipod games for windows mobile6.1,6.5. Its never going to happen , we never gotten that type of support. XDA-developers was started because Micro-soft didnt give windows mobile proper support . I got sick and tired of not having games that I want on my phone , so now I make them. I share them here so other people can play too. ALL FREE! The reason I get upset is because people always complaining I stole someone works which is ridiculous.
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Look Timmy Marsh is the Moderator for this forum. If he says its ok then its ok end of story.
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I am not saying this is a rip off, or is stolen, or etc. But unless you acknowledge the source, you kind of give off that impression. That was my initial impression; and now I see that impression was wrong ONLY after we've had this argument. Which brings me to my next point;
The reason I get upset is because people always complaining I stole someone works which is ridiculous.
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Maybe if you posted a link to the original work, people would stop getting that idea. Just acknowledge the author or source some way, as standard procedure. If you clearly mention right off the bat; "This is a clone of the game [x] for the [y]" then no one will think you're hiding something, or covering it up.
"I never ever said I originally made this game. All I say is I brought it here for everyone to enjoy."
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While technically correct, this is misleading; if you have no problem admitting this is a clone, why not just say... this is a clone of [insert source here]? Don't be misleading, that arouses suspicion.
I never mis-lead anyone , how long have you been here? I have made Mario games, doodle jump,angry birds etc. Games everyone knows I didnt come up with myself. If you didnt know who made those big games by now I would be shocked!
Now the way you just carried on and keep going , Iam %100 sure you wanted to start a fight. The conversation is going no-where and what your saying right now is sounding real stupid. Your going to tell me people dont know who made Super Mario,doodle jump,angry birds, or tiny wings , thats a laugh.
Iam supposed to post a link to an iphone game that doesnt even run on windows mobile , are you serious? Thats the stupidest thing I heard yet , thanks for the laugh by the way. You said its legal to change ROMs and run Android on windows mobile shows me you dont even know what your talking about. Did you know Microsoft tried to shut down XDA because of ROM a long time ago? No you didnt. Did you know apple tried to sue when XDA had a iphone screen run on windows mobile? No you didnt. All you know is how to harrass me , hahahaha. Go make an original game post it here and show me how its done LOL.
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Your going to tell me people dont know who made Super Mario,doodle jump,angry birds, or tiny wings , thats a laugh.
Iam supposed to post a link to an iphone game that doesnt even run on windows mobile , are you serious?
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I know of super mario, but I have never heard of doodle jump or angry birds. I happen to know of tiny wings by chance; don't assume that everyone knows about a game just because of popularity. And I think we can safely assume that the users here know an iOS app won't run on their wm device, but that isn't the purpose of posting a link; listing the source for any work is just a standard and respectable practice... Your seniority in this forum doesn't change that fact, nor does it have anything to do with this argument...
I'm not going to address the rest of your comment, but I will say this; just because a company whines about something doesn't make it illegal (they probably wish it was). Those were accusations, nothing more.
I am not looking for a fight, I merely continued because I thought you would listen to reason, but apparently we just cannot agree on this point... and since you don't seem to be able to carry out an argument without resorting to ad hominem, I'm ending my involvement here.
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I agree with link68759 with the music, Andreas Illiger explicitly states that the Tiny Wings music "is not for use in other movies, games, tv shows, etc. and you should not earn any money with it or distribute it in any form."
I realize this post may not make me popular, but this community isn't about popularity so much as it is about working together as a community, for the community.
I had a post ready on my phone, but for some reason the xda or tapatalk app sometimes puts my phone in a boot loop.. anyways:
As best as I can tell, we have one solid developer(no offense to anyone else if they are deving) who is working with source. One person working on ICS, and putting out roms for our pleasure. Xboarder, it is awesome that you are able and willing to put the time and work into this phone like you have, and I thank you.
I am curious about one thing though: Is xboarder opposed to working with others?
This is in no way to stir up trouble, but I have seen multiple posts of problems between revolution(and maybe others?) and xboarder. I would have posted this in that thread, but it is locked I am assuming because of those problems. This thread is not about blame, it is to point out that who is at fault doesn't matter. If another developer was considering this device they aren't going to try to see who is at fault, they will assume that neither party works well with others.
It is admirable that someone so young(xboarder) is able to step up and do what many people older than him cannot, developing and working on projects like he has.. but is seems like people handle him with kid gloves(pun NOT intended), perhaps out of fear they will lose the only developer currently working with our device, but this is an opportunity for xboarder or anyone else to develop professionally. It is one thing to be able to do something by yourself, from the ground up, but our ability to work with others while utilizing the skills we would have by ourselves is something extremely desired in the professional world, or is valuable in life itself.
XDA is a community, each of us contributing our experiences and what we have learned with each other, that is what creates progress. Some contribute financially, some trouble shoot, some test, some develop, but consciously or not we are all working together to some degree. This is the ideal.
Most devices that have a working ICS build have more than one person, sometimes teams of people, working on the project together. They check each other's work, offer knowledge, divide the workload.. many could work individually, but in almost all cases the final product is better by working collaboratively.
An adult trait that many adults don't have, is the ability to turn the other cheek. Or to reach out to others for help. To overlook offenses. Don't deny xboarder the chance to step up professionally. Give him the opportunity to learn how to pick and choose his battles, to share glory, to learn and teach others by letting him do it on his own.
Xboarder, please don't take anything I've said offensively, but if you can, consider it objectively. You probably haven't had the chance to work with others on a large group project, to collaborate. Maybe revolution(I don't know if he is a dev or who is at fault, etc) or others have been an ass, but don't let that stop you from working with them or others to put together a better product. To free up your resources to do something for yourself, or your own side projects..
I hope no one will flame, blame, or otherwise take this thread as a chance to cause chaos or get upset. I have worked with others collaboratively, people I do like and people I don't, and it is an important thing when you are dealing with projects of this magnitude. That is why you don't see many working ICS builds being created alone, or at the least, you see people building upon other people's work.. because that is what open source is all about. I have worked as a consultant for businesses, trying to figure out what happens in the infrastructure that may be keeping it from a higher level of success.. and that is what I am offering here, a possible insight into what could help this entire community make more progress, helping each person who makes their own contributions however they can. Damn this post got long, I can only hope that it might lead to something productive.
Let me just start by saying that X is one of the very few developers that actually owns the device. And in an even rarer case, he owns one with S-Off. This in itself means that he's able to develop for the Amaze a lot easier than other developers.
I don't think he has a problem working with others, it's just that the pickings are slim. It's hard to find people to work with if you're the only one with the device that has S-Off. Also, the lack of S-Off on the majority of the devices only turns developers away from the Amaze, which is a real shame and a failure on HTC's part
From what I see around the forums, X doesn't seem like he has a problem working with others, in fact, all evidence goes to support that he encourages other developers to pick up on the Amaze development (bounty threads, etc). X is already doing a fantastic job and I know his work will only be even better as more developers join the Amaze community, we just have to be patient.
i work with others that know there info etc preludedrew nrgz but revoultion is just trying be like a want a be person you know. People that dont know anything and just try to act like they do. I hate that kind of person and i have posted before about asking for etas and you might not all know but i had rev on gtalk for a while till he started trash talking me and keep asking for etas like every otherday. I think you would get tierd of that too so then i deleted him. It takes to much time to teacher a person all that i know im still learning as i go and talk to other devs such as faux123, nrgz, preludedrew, etc. I like working with people that are better then me so i learn i all ready have a private team im working with on ics and it will be posted else where and no more betas becuase of people like rev asking and asking. and has stolen mine and others work in the past.
I think you guys have heard this sang, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I have given rev a bunch of chances to learn and show him how to develop the right way. and it always ends in a bad way.
also most other phones have aosp something to work of libs kernels etc. Im doing this all from the ground up no cm help no nada. We have to make all the stuff on our own aosp kernel etc. not easy todo
I might just take a break all this drama stuff is like high school and post my stuff else where or keep it until its ready
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Let me just start by saying that X is one of the very few developers that actually owns the device. And in an even rarer case, he owns one with S-Off. This in itself means that he's able to develop for the Amaze a lot easier than other developers.
I don't think he has a problem working with others, it's just that the pickings are slim. It's hard to find people to work with if you're the only one with the device that has S-Off. Also, the lack of S-Off on the majority of the devices only turns developers away from the Amaze, which is a real shame and a failure on HTC's part
From what I see around the forums, X doesn't seem like he has a problem working with others, in fact, all evidence goes to support that he encourages other developers to pick up on the Amaze development (bounty threads, etc). X is already doing a fantastic job and I know his work will only be even better as more developers join the Amaze community, we just have to be patient.
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Well, I am new to the device, I've only had mine for a few weeks though I have been following the forums for nearly 2 months.. even with the workarounds that the members of the community bear the burden of, s-off still keeps developers away that much? Many devs I have talked to develop or contribute to devices they don't have.. as long as at least one developer has the device, or they have adequate testers, they seem happy to contribute to the code(I am talking about compiling/building like xboarder is doing with ICS).
I don't want to sound like this post was because I am impatient, but when I read the ICS thread earlier I was bothered by how immediate things escalated, and that the thread got closed over something that seems so petty.
I've worked with a lot of these devices, I've read quite a few forums, and even some of the crappier devices seem to have several teams of devs, and I am failing to see why a device as beefy and awesome as this one hasn't attracted at least a few more.
I saw a bounty thread earlier, and the very fact that people are willing to contribute is one of the factors that made me wonder at the lack of devs here.. I bought this phone because it is simply the best device out there, and I would like to do whatever I can to facilitate the growth and development of our part of the forums. Not having s-off may be a turn off to developing as much as you say it is, but I know several devs that could contribute to the code of any device without ever having it in their hand..
Perhaps the problem is that the members are publicizing enough the need that is here, the contributions of the members in this area would be more than enough to support a much larger number of devs, and that alone I would think would draw some out..
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i work with others that know there info etc preludedrew nrgz but revoultion is just trying be like a want a be person you know. People that dont know anything and just try to act like they do. I hate that kind of person and i have posted before about asking for etas and you might not all know but i had rev on gtalk for a while till he started trash talking me and keep asking for etas like every otherday. I think you would get tierd of that too so then i deleted him. It takes to much time to teacher a person all that i know im still learning as i go and talk to other devs such as faux123, nrgz, preludedrew, etc. I like working with people that are better then me so i learn i all ready have a private team im working with on ics and it will be posted else where and no more betas becuase of people like rev asking and asking. and has stolen mine and others work in the past.
I think you guys have heard this sang, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I have given rev a bunch of chances to learn and show him how to develop the right way. and it always ends in a bad way.
also most other phones have aosp something to work of libs kernels etc. Im doing this all from the ground up no cm help no nada. We have to make all the stuff on our own aosp kernel etc. not easy todo
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I totally understand, and I hope you take what I said constructively, not negatively. I'm not one of those people that ask for ETAs, I may not be a developer, but I definitely have a good idea of how much time and effort goes into it.. if I had more time(college is a succubus) I could dedicate to anything, I would be trying to make my own contributions.
Revolution may be a total asshat(and I'm thinking he probably is), but if someone were to stumble across your dealings with him without doing the research, they might come to a conclusion about you that isn't accurate at all.
I guess I would ask you, have you reached out to any developers that currently aren't contributing to ask if they are willing to assist? When working with pure code like you are in the ICS build, some could make good contributions without ever having the device in their hands..
I know HTC isn't making this easy, nor are some of the people in the community who show their lack of patience.. but the basis of me starting this thread was because I understand the value of working collaboratively, and I know it isn't always easy to organize-- but in a sense that is one of my knacks, I am a professional facilitator. That also may be why I have been going to college the last four years, it isn't the easiest thing to market(without a degree), but it DOES have its uses..
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Well, I am new to the device, I've only had mine for a few weeks though I have been following the forums for nearly 2 months.. even with the workarounds that the members of the community bear the burden of, s-off still keeps developers away that much? Many devs I have talked to develop or contribute to devices they don't have.. as long as at least one developer has the device, or they have adequate testers, they seem happy to contribute to the code(I am talking about compiling/building like xboarder is doing with ICS).
I don't want to sound like this post was because I am impatient, but when I read the ICS thread earlier I was bothered by how immediate things escalated, and that the thread got closed over something that seems so petty.
I've worked with a lot of these devices, I've read quite a few forums, and even some of the crappier devices seem to have several teams of devs, and I am failing to see why a device as beefy and awesome as this one hasn't attracted at least a few more.
I saw a bounty thread earlier, and the very fact that people are willing to contribute is one of the factors that made me wonder at the lack of devs here.. I bought this phone because it is simply the best device out there, and I would like to do whatever I can to facilitate the growth and development of our part of the forums. Not having s-off may be a turn off to developing as much as you say it is, but I know several devs that could contribute to the code of any device without ever having it in their hand..
Perhaps the problem is that the members are publicizing enough the need that is here, the contributions of the members in this area would be more than enough to support a much larger number of devs, and that alone I would think would draw some out..
I totally understand, and I hope you take what I said constructively, not negatively. I'm not one of those people that ask for ETAs, I may not be a developer, but I definitely have a good idea of how much time and effort goes into it.. if I had more time(college is a succubus) I could dedicate to anything, I would be trying to make my own contributions.
Revolution may be a total asshat(and I'm thinking he probably is), but if someone were to stumble across your dealings with him without doing the research, they might come to a conclusion about you that isn't accurate at all.
I guess I would ask you, have you reached out to any developers that currently aren't contributing to ask if they are willing to assist? When working with pure code like you are in the ICS build, some could make good contributions without ever having the device in their hands..
I know HTC isn't making this easy, nor are some of the people in the community who show their lack of patience.. but the basis of me starting this thread was because I understand the value of working collaboratively, and I know it isn't always easy to organize-- but in a sense that is one of my knacks, I am a professional facilitator. That also may be why I have been going to college the last four years, it isn't the easiest thing to market(without a degree), but it DOES have its uses..
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nope i got a group all ready working with privatly on this
I don't know much about what's going on behind the (Devs) scene - things between Xboarder56 and CM team, between Xboarder56 and Revolution but based on the facts that I've seen, Xboarder56 did a wonderful job. All the noob tools, Roms - especially his supports. He updates his Rom immediately after someone found a bug, heck, he was so fast at supporting and updating that I am - as an end user, seems to be tired to trying to keep up with his releases.
Based on what I've read in the forum, Revolution is an a**hole - period! And if I were a Mod he would be forever banned due to the fact of kept asking ETA alone - not to mention the bad intention to provoked Xboarder56.
There is a mutual benefits between Dev and end users. If you are a good Dev with a lot of followers, you will become popular and that will helps with your career (i.e Steve Kondik and Samsung). Devs built Rom not just for fun, they also built up their porfolio/resume if they wanted a good job in hi-tech field and a good reputation when putting their app on the Market.
On a personal point of view, I don't care if there is only one Dev in the Amaze forum because without many of them I still be able to get ICS when it's due from Tmobile. Flashing custom Rom is more like a hobby to many of us here and if I don't have their support I still be fine with my phone - using Stock
Another thing needs to be point out and one may not agreed with me but a Stock Rom is always better than any custom Rom. I means looks at Motorola's announcement just a few days ago when they are looking for testers for their soon to be update software, they are looking for one thousand tester and when a Mfg. released their final product, they usually testing it for months before.
As with us? Every time when we flashed a new Rom we tend to check on some basic function as wifi, tethering, bluetooth, gps and stuff like that and we were testing it for a few minutes - until it crashed or bootloop a day later. We rarely have a chance a test the Rom while doing multi-task with hundreds of apps on different environtments, i.g using GPS while listening to Music on a trip and taking/receiving phone calls while another party on hold at the other end and at the same time googling for a nearby restaurant, ect ... How many of us doing such intensive test on our beloved new Rom for a long period of time? I'm doubtful.
To top it off. More Devs? Great! I appreciates their effort and I am thankful. I will consider a donation if I think the Dev is devoting to his work and fully support his followers and deserved his rewards. If there is none? I either continuing using my phone with Stock and after a few months, Ebaying it or throw it on my local Craigslist and buy another phone - happily ever after! If there is a single Dev out there thinking that us users would have no where to go to without their work. They are wrong!
Mutual beneficial is the name of this game. Without users and testers - Dev is nothing but a desperate wannabe tech-guy looking for a job without a good looking porfolio/resume. No chance to practice and/or testing your product. Without Devs, users would have no fun and his phone purchasing cycle will be shorter hence carriers and Mfg. can sell more phones! That's about it!
Enough ranting and my appologies for those who hates long post.
Followed amaze forums since xboarder was first rooting it.
Wonderful job.
Keep up the development.it will make you grow as a person.
Just cut off the negative people.
Binary seems to actually moderate these threads,which I don't see much of on xda.
Xboarder...I chose the amaze because you are here.
That revolution character is laughable.I have a few devices,and he's popped up in a few,and basically been shunned.its his fault(for getting shunned).
But remember,like in football...
The ref calls the foul on the Guy who responds,not the one who commits the foul in the first place.
You're good at what you do.
Keep doing it.
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sunlaw2 said:
Followed amaze forums since xboarder was first rooting it.
Wonderful job.
Keep up the development.it will make you grow as a person.
Just cut off the negative people.
Binary seems to actually moderate these threads,which I don't see much of on xda.
Xboarder...I chose the amaze because you are here.
That revolution character is laughable.I have a few devices,and he's popped up in a few,and basically been shunned.its his fault(for getting shunned).
But remember,like in football...
The ref calls the foul on the Guy who responds,not the one who commits the foul in the first place.
You're good at what you do.
Keep doing it.
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Thanks! It's difficult to find balance between the forum and my personal life but I do what I can. Also keep in mind that I moderate more forums here on XDA at the same time as do a lot of forum moderators. So if you don't see them in other forums frequently then use the report post feature and report the thread. Your FSM will be alerted to investigate the reported issue.
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The ref calls the foul on the Guy who responds,not the one who commits the foul in the first place.
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Umm....shouldn't the ref call the foul on the guy who actually committed the foul in the first place? Just sayin.
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I realize this post may not make me popular, but this community isn't about popularity so much as it is about working together as a community, for the community.
I had a post ready on my phone, but for some reason the xda or tapatalk app sometimes puts my phone in a boot loop.. anyways:
As best as I can tell, we have one solid developer(no offense to anyone else if they are deving) who is working with source. One person working on ICS, and putting out roms for our pleasure. Xboarder, it is awesome that you are able and willing to put the time and work into this phone like you have, and I thank you.
I am curious about one thing though: Is xboarder opposed to working with others?
This is in no way to stir up trouble, but I have seen multiple posts of problems between revolution(and maybe others?) and xboarder. I would have posted this in that thread, but it is locked I am assuming because of those problems. This thread is not about blame, it is to point out that who is at fault doesn't matter. If another developer was considering this device they aren't going to try to see who is at fault, they will assume that neither party works well with others.
It is admirable that someone so young(xboarder) is able to step up and do what many people older than him cannot, developing and working on projects like he has.. but is seems like people handle him with kid gloves(pun NOT intended), perhaps out of fear they will lose the only developer currently working with our device, but this is an opportunity for xboarder or anyone else to develop professionally. It is one thing to be able to do something by yourself, from the ground up, but our ability to work with others while utilizing the skills we would have by ourselves is something extremely desired in the professional world, or is valuable in life itself.
XDA is a community, each of us contributing our experiences and what we have learned with each other, that is what creates progress. Some contribute financially, some trouble shoot, some test, some develop, but consciously or not we are all working together to some degree. This is the ideal.
Most devices that have a working ICS build have more than one person, sometimes teams of people, working on the project together. They check each other's work, offer knowledge, divide the workload.. many could work individually, but in almost all cases the final product is better by working collaboratively.
An adult trait that many adults don't have, is the ability to turn the other cheek. Or to reach out to others for help. To overlook offenses. Don't deny xboarder the chance to step up professionally. Give him the opportunity to learn how to pick and choose his battles, to share glory, to learn and teach others by letting him do it on his own.
Xboarder, please don't take anything I've said offensively, but if you can, consider it objectively. You probably haven't had the chance to work with others on a large group project, to collaborate. Maybe revolution(I don't know if he is a dev or who is at fault, etc) or others have been an ass, but don't let that stop you from working with them or others to put together a better product. To free up your resources to do something for yourself, or your own side projects..
I hope no one will flame, blame, or otherwise take this thread as a chance to cause chaos or get upset. I have worked with others collaboratively, people I do like and people I don't, and it is an important thing when you are dealing with projects of this magnitude. That is why you don't see many working ICS builds being created alone, or at the least, you see people building upon other people's work.. because that is what open source is all about. I have worked as a consultant for businesses, trying to figure out what happens in the infrastructure that may be keeping it from a higher level of success.. and that is what I am offering here, a possible insight into what could help this entire community make more progress, helping each person who makes their own contributions however they can. Damn this post got long, I can only hope that it might lead to something productive.
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I totally see where you are coming from. In reality their are people who will intentionally get under you skin any way they can. Even as an adult it still happens. But if theirs anything that I learned in flight school its that you can run into the wind you have to turn into and face it. The thing you push against lifts you up. Team work is crucial in any thing you do really. That's what being a community is about, working together not being divided. I have seen the things revolution has done and in reality he is one of the ones who won't go far. I mean all of this out of respect, but with a device so scares but great that is a reason we should help on another. If HTC won't help then it looks like its up to us. We need to work together and stop being a pain in the ass toward one another. Like I said I'm not blaming anyone its all out of respect.
To be fair.revolution has 500 something thanks.
But if someone persists in annoying others,soliciting donations for bogus "development",etc...
Just let the moderators handle it.
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To be fair.revolution has 500 something thanks.
But if someone persists in annoying others,soliciting donations for bogus "development",etc...
Just let the moderators handle it.
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500thanks out of 1500total posts meaning 67% of the time he talks bullsh$t
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sunlaw2 said:
To be fair.revolution has 500 something thanks.
But if someone persists in annoying others,soliciting donations for bogus "development",etc...
Just let the moderators handle it.
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My thanks to post ratio isn't as high, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. Maybe he will have something to offer, probably not.
If binary sees this, feel free to close the post, xboarder clearly said where he is with other devs, so there isn't much more that needs to be said.
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My thanks to post ratio isn't as high, but that doesn't mean a whole lot. Maybe he will have something to offer, probably not.
If binary sees this, feel free to close the post, xboarder clearly said where he is with other devs, so there isn't much more that needs to be said.
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Thread closed per OP request.
Running official ICS stock and rooted. I have access to both recoveries on my phone. Using the button combo I get 3e and using a manager app I get CWM. When I tried a reboot from 3e recovery I got this...on the bottom left of the screen, is this the same as a kernel panic?
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Why two threads?
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Why two threads?
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Because he thinks safe mode is special enough to warrant 2 of them?
Seriously though it's just safe mode. Google it. Normal and been around for quite some time
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You would not believe the information Google search gave me when I typed in "safe mode galaxy s2". It was unreal!. Instead of starting 2 threads 20 minutes apart, which you've been a member long enough to know better, just take a deep breath, don't panic, and think for a few minutes on how to figure this out without back to back threads.
Trust me, there was no panic and you're right ...but my time should be an indication that maybe it was an accident...posting from mobile I lost signal in the middle of an edit of the title and it posted twice on it's own. I was just looking to share something I thought was kinda cool as I was unaware that the phone has a safe mode. Trust me my days of panic over a phone are long gone. But thank you to all you Google share holders for the advice.
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Trust me your right, and there was no panic...and my time should be an indication that maybe it was an accident...posting from mobile I lost signal in the middle of an edit of the title and it posted twice on it's own. I was just looking to share something I thought was kinda cool as I was unaware that the phone has a safe mode. Trust me my days of panic over a phone are long gone. But thank you to all you Google share holders for the advice.
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yer right. We should definitely have searched Google for you and posted the results instead of allowing you to figure it out for yourself and learn something.
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So the mods pulled my post?...you have to admit though, it was pretty good and I would like to thank you for giving me the perfect oppurtunity to use that one! Gave you a good slap on the old thanks button just for it too...and to the mods I apologize for having a bit of fun and posting a Troll Bait thread but you have to admit, it's so freaking easy on here, and it's almost always the same ones! Man it's like shooting fish in a barrel!! Now if you dont mind since it appears to be the accepted norm around here...I'm gonna go be an ass in someone else's thread. :angel:
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it's so freaking easy on here, and it's almost always the same ones! Man it's like shooting fish in a barrel!!
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Sooooo, it's almost impossible? Cmon, tell me you've seen that episode of MythBusters?!
Fail!
Clay
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Bang...and another one floats to the top! You guys need another hobby...This ia not the Development forum...its Q&A and I posted a question, GET OVER IT and stay out of the thread if you're coming here with crap. This is not directed at the persons pointing out the double posts (that was totally unintentional) as I was unaware this had happened but whats the point of even having a Q&A thread if people are just going to come in it and say..."you should've Googled that". Instead of comprehending my explanation and the reason for posting the thread in which I clearly explain in my second post (post # 5)...you choose to show your level of intelligence is limited to the MOB MENTALITY of: ..."you should've Googled that". Guess you were raised to think it's OK to be an A-hole every chance you get, and from the safety and cozy little comfort of your keyboard...it's not and only shows an immature attitude. And though some are fairly young I cant imagine why at any point in your life you would ever want to come off as "childish"? You shouldn't type anything in your post you wouldn't say to the person as if they were in the same room. We all have something in common here on this Forum...Android Phones, and something more in common Samsung Android phones, and another thing in common; reading/posting and being a member on a forum site for Samsung Android phones (would't it be cool if more of your friends had these things in common with you?) ...yet some of you feel the need to bash in another persons thread every chance you get and if you really think about it...ANY thread in this section could've been googled...seriously what's the point of the section then? I've gone back and read some "posting history" of the people who have posted negatively and one of you in particular must clearly have developed 'Coulrophobia" just from your first 2 attempts at posting a thread. Maybe that would explain the reason for your obvious angst toward others? Remember where you have come from and learn from it...just because your at a different point now doesn't make you better than anyone else...espescially me. In conclusion...if you feel I or anyone for that matter made an error in posting and not google search first, how does you coming in here just to flame (also XDA rule violation) make any sense? It doesn't and is just as much a FAIL as anything in these forums. Cheers!
You mad bro?
Seriously though, take this into consideration:
You posted a thread without so much as giving ANY effort into finding the answer yourself. This in turn creates clutter, useless information and most of all, irritation from those who scour these forums looking for problems to solve. In simplistic form: wasting time.
As was already stated, it took someone less time to find the answer you were looking for than it took for you to make this thread. When the answer is so readily available, is it really such a hard concept to grasp that those with lots of knowledge about our phones (supposedly including you) get irritated when they read threads like this everyday?
Hell, I did it when I first got my GS2, but I quickly learned how things work around here and how to keep it running smoothly.
[EDIT] PS - You missed. When that shot entered the water it was deflected by the resistance of the waters' surface. You now have a hole in the side of your fish barrel... And no dead fish!
Clay
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erad1 said:
Bang...and another one floats to the top! You guys need another hobby...This ia not the Development forum...its Q&A and I posted a question, GET OVER IT and stay out of the thread if you're coming here with crap. This is not directed at the persons pointing out the double posts (that was totally unintentional) as I was unaware this had happened but whats the point of even having a Q&A thread if people are just going to come in it and say..."you should've Googled that". Instead of comprehending my explanation and the reason for posting the thread in which I clearly explain in my second post (post # 5)...you choose to show your level of intelligence is limited to the MOB MENTALITY of: ..."you should've Googled that". Guess you were raised to think it's OK to be an A-hole every chance you get, and from the safety and cozy little comfort of your keyboard...it's not and only shows an immature attitude. And though some are fairly young I cant imagine why at any point in your life you would ever want to come off as "childish"? You shouldn't type anything in your post you wouldn't say to the person as if they were in the same room. We all have something in common here on this Forum...Android Phones, and something more in common Samsung Android phones, and another thing in common; reading/posting and being a member on a forum site for Samsung Android phones (would't it be cool if more of your friends had these things in common with you?) ...yet some of you feel the need to bash in another persons thread every chance you get and if you really think about it...ANY thread in this section could've been googled...seriously what's the point of the section then? I've gone back and read some "posting history" of the people who have posted negatively and one of you in particular must clearly have developed 'Coulrophobia" just from your first 2 attempts at posting a thread. Maybe that would explain the reason for your obvious angst toward others? Remember where you have come from and learn from it...just because your at a different point now doesn't make you better than anyone else...espescially me. In conclusion...if you feel I or anyone for that matter made an error in posting and not google search first, how does you coming in here just to flame (also XDA rule violation) make any sense? It doesn't and is just as much a FAIL as anything in these forums. Cheers!
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Well said, I like the way you think.... To bad they don't get the fact acting tuff on here tells a lot about you..... Just glad you see it.
".just because your at a different point now doesn't make you better than anyone else..." <~~~~~ Real talk....
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clay101eve said:
You mad bro?
Seriously though, take this into consideration:
You posted a thread without so much as giving ANY effort into finding the answer yourself. This in turn creates clutter, useless information and most of all, irritation from those who scour these forums looking for problems to solve. In simplistic form: wasting time.
As was already stated, it took someone less time to find the answer you were looking for than it took for you to make this thread. When the answer is so readily available, is it really such a hard concept to grasp that those with lots of knowledge about our phones (supposedly including you) get irritated when they read threads like this everyday?
Hell, I did it when I first got my GS2, but I quickly learned how things work around here and how to keep it running smoothly.
[EDIT] PS - You missed. When that shot entered the water it was deflected by the resistance of the waters' surface. You now have a hole in the side of your fish barrel... And no dead fish!
Clay
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Hmmm and your post helps who how? "This in turn creates clutter, useless information and most of all, irritation from those who scour these forums looking for problems to solve"
I think the question has been answered, lets let this thread die a natural death. Glad the OP got an answer.
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I think the question has been answered, lets let this thread die a natural death. Glad the OP got an answer.
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Agreed....
Hey guys, I thought it would be fun to list some of the things that we see around the forums here that really get under your skin and blow off some steam.
Rule 1: do not post anyone's name, screen name, avatar description, signature etc (nothing that would pin point anyone
That's pretty much it for what I can think of right now. But I'll start.
I haaaaaaate when someone creates a thread and their question can be answered within two sentences of the first sticky.
It really bothers me when people brick their phones from not reading and then when you try to help them, they make it seem like you are the one who has no idea what you're saying.
Hahaha this isn't a pet peeve but it's kind of annoying when people create threads about Google worthy info (I.e. how much ram comes with the note? ) -_-
People complaining about battery life, on AOSP/AOKP.
I just think to myself, "Maybe it's their first time with a smartphone." because my Note has had the best battery life for me.
Stock, of course, sucked balls in the battery life department.
24+ hours of total of use/stand by is flipping great to me. Hell, even 10 hours is good to me.
Fyi This thread is going to have the lifespan of a fruit fly.
It bugs me when someone quotes the op.
Especially when the op is super long, then the responder quotes it just to reply with a sentence or 2.
I browse xda pretty much exclusively with tapatalk, scrolling through useless chunks of text like that is annoying
Unquotable ops would be teh poo
Complaining about things that you have no control over or have done no work towards finding a remedy.
Stupid useless threads destined to be to shutdown. Usually they consist of topics that scream at the mods ... "hey shut me down".
Secondly people who feel the need to post on every thread weather it has a hill of band to do with them.
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Ph0n3D0rk said:
Hey guys, I thought it would be fun to list some of the things that we see around the forums here that really get under your skin and blow off some steam.
Rule 1: do not post anyone's name, screen name, avatar description, signature etc (nothing that would pin point anyone
That's pretty much it for what I can think of right now. But I'll start.
I haaaaaaate when someone creates a thread and their question can be answered within two sentences of the first sticky.
It really bothers me when people brick their phones from not reading and then when you try to help them, they make it seem like you are the one who has no idea what you're saying.
Hahaha this isn't a pet peeve but it's kind of annoying when people create threads about Google worthy info (I.e. how much ram comes with the note? ) -_-
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Seeing 2 or 3 threads about the same question on the same page.
Any "Best of..." Thread
MIUI
When you answer someones question in detail and then they want you to link them all the files and threads associated with that answer instead of reading and searching after you've pointed them in the right direction....let's not even get started on the thanks button.
People asking a question about something discussed in the OP of a ROM. Worse yet, that person posting a new thread to ask it.
People who think they're smarter than they really are, give arrogant advice, then flame others that try to actually help.
People using poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
People obsessing over battery life, and complaining when they don't get 4 hours of screen time. The Note has some of the best battery life out there.
People obsessing over benchmarks. They are useless compared to personal user experience. My scores on CM9/ICS/AOKP are lower than they were on GB, but my user experience is much more fluid and lag free. Get over benchmarks.
People who complain about something that is missing from a ROM. Or people who complain about something that is included in a ROM. Devs don't cater to us, they are generously sharing with us, be appreciative.
People who don't know how to search and read. Try it sometime, it's amazing what a little self-gained knowledge can do for my respect for you.
People who follow this new fad of entitlement. These devs put in countless hours for themselves, and share these things with us for free. At least show the respect to read everything they write in the OP so you don't end up bugging them. And hit their thanks button as much as possible. Possibly give them a donation. Let them know how awesome you think their work is. Show them a little appreciation for what they're giving you for free. You are not entitled to anything they produce, so be grateful for what they have given you so far.
People who all for ETAs. Just don't do it, this goes with the entitlement thing.
People who say one ROM is better than others. These devs put in hard work, and the "best" ROM is a matter of personal opinion, so it's kind of a slap in the face. A ROM may be the best for you, but it is most certainly not the be all end all best ROM. It's good to give a ROM credit and praise where credit and praise are due, but don't do it at the detriment of another ROM. On a similar note, don't post a best ROM thread. Just don't do it, please.
People who flame others. It's ok to joke around a little bit, but remember, fighting with somebody on the internet is pointless, even if you "win". If you try to joke around with somebody, please try to make your dry sense of humor apparent, throw in a smiley face. I can't hear the tone of your voice while reading your post, and neither can anybody else. A smiley let's somebody know you're most likely kidding, and there's nothing to get mad about and start a flame war.
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People asking a question about something discussed in the OP of a ROM. Worse yet, that person posting a new thread to ask it.
People who think they're smarter than they really are, give arrogant advice, then flame others that try to actually help.
People using poor grammar, spelling, and punctuation.
People obsessing over battery life, and complaining when they don't get 4 hours of screen time. The Note has some of the best battery life out there.
People obsessing over benchmarks. They are useless compared to personal user experience. My scores on CM9/ICS/AOKP are lower than they were on GB, but my user experience is much more fluid and lag free. Get over benchmarks.
People who complain about something that is missing from a ROM. Or people who complain about something that is included in a ROM. Devs don't cater to us, they are generously sharing with us, be appreciative.
People who don't know how to search and read. Try it sometime, it's amazing what a little self-gained knowledge can do for my respect for you.
People who follow this new fad of entitlement. These devs put in countless hours for themselves, and share these things with us for free. At least show the respect to read everything they write in the OP so you don't end up bugging them. And hit their thanks button as much as possible. Possibly give them a donation. Let them know how awesome you think their work is. Show them a little appreciation for what they're giving you for free. You are not entitled to anything they produce, so be grateful for what they have given you so far.
People who all for ETAs. Just don't do it, this goes with the entitlement thing.
People who say one ROM is better than others. These devs put in hard work, and the "best" ROM is a matter of personal opinion, so it's kind of a slap in the face. A ROM may be the best for you, but it is most certainly not the be all end all best ROM. It's good to give a ROM credit and praise where credit and praise are due, but don't do it at the detriment of another ROM. On a similar note, don't post a best ROM thread. Just don't do it, please.
People who flame others. It's ok to joke around a little bit, but remember, fighting with somebody on the internet is pointless, even if you "win". If you try to joke around with somebody, please try to make your dry sense of humor apparent, throw in a smiley face. I can't hear the tone of your voice while reading your post, and neither can anybody else. A smiley let's somebody know you're most likely kidding, and there's nothing to get mad about and start a flame war.
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in before thread close..
oh and i cant stand threads about:
"what is the best..."
"my phone is broke, how do i fix it?" (and giving only that much detail)
and any thread about bacon because bacon is for losers
and people that post "in before close"
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in before thread close..
oh and i cant stand threads about:
"what is the best..."
"my phone is broke, how do i fix it?" (and giving only that much detail)
and any thread about bacon because bacon is for losers
and people that post "in before close"
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i hate when people complain about bacon.
also hate when people complain about complaining.
finally hate when people do not post in my bacon thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439948
People that ask for help to fix a problem and give you no detail.
"My GPS isn't working"
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When people ask " is that the new iPhone?"
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I get tired of people using a post in the development forums to tell someone thanks.
Just use the button. Gewz.
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People that jump on at the last minute, and can't bring themselves to read back a couple pages.
People that appoint themselves as Protector Of The Forum and jump all over people with legitimate issues.
My biggest peeve is when a new user posts a question that has been answered in the past and half of the forum jumps on them about reading the rules. Here's an example:
n00b: Why does it take five minutes for my phone to power on now? When it was stock it only took a few seconds, now it takes a minute or longer!
d00d: OMFG! Can't you READ? It's clearly there six pages back about how the new prop file has to be completely parsed and the kernel depolarized before the snarfulflugin can be loaded! Stop asking questions that have already been answered and RTFAQ!
Of course, if the new user knew what "build.prop" and "bootloader" meant, they would have used those terms to search for the info first. And if the long-time user had taken a second to explain those terms to the new user, the next time they need something they will know how to find it. But this rarely happens anymore.
Hello All,
In recent events we saw our primary kernel developer completely drop his project and leave. This is a sad thing, but it could have been prevented on both sides. It seems that there has lately been a huge misunderstanding of what working with a community means and what open source means, it is tearing the community as a whole apart.
I. USERS/TESTERS: (this is the part most of us know about)
This can roughly refer to anyone that is not a developer or submitting code, but it can also refer to developers using ROMs or Kernels produced by other developers. Anyone in this position needs to realize that almost ALL Roms/Kernels/Themes are experimental even if considered "stable". There is a reason that on both Rootzwiki and XDA it is common to see developers stating they are not responsible for any damage done to your device or your data.
Device problems will differ from one device to another due to security implementations or new code/hardware or even something else. It needs to be understood that a kernel/Rom release that has bugs may NOT be due to code written by the dev, but by an inherent flaw in the hardware OR the stock code.
What does this mean to you?
Well, in order to function as effectively as possible a general guideline should be followed.
Be Tactful - Lets face it, there are going to be issues with ROMs and Kernels. There will never be a truly 'stable' release. Try to report issues in a polite and friendly manner. If you disagree with a developer, you can let them know, just be sure to be as tactful as possible, also make sure to provide adequate reports and detail.
Detail, Detail, Detail - Many of the newer folks don't know how to access logfiles, but this shouldn't stop you from being detailed. When an issue is come across, make sure to include as much detail as possible. For clarification, ANYTHING that is changed from stock configuration should be considered. For kernels, it is good to include any and all adjustments you have made. If a log can be pulled, DO IT, it won't hurt and the developer has an easier time figuring it all out.
Try to learn - The development community is a big place. By learning, you verify that you can help other newbies down the line, and that you provide more assistance to developers.
II. Developers: (the part less of us know about)
Ah, developers, without all of you, we wouldn't exist. Someone needs to do the work, and you provide the dedication and time. Most of us can't thank you enough. However, it seems that recently a lot of the developers are developing for the wrong reasons and are doing things against the very ideals we all stand for.
When developing with a community, ALL developers sign a non-verbal social contract. This contract includes many things.
- You are going to deal with some harassment (can be mitigated by mods) - Some people have bad days, others are asshats.
- Younger members will take you for granted
- Younger members will have difficulty providing detail
- The community will expect support for your product(s)
- Other developers (mostly new developers) will not credit you for your work occasionally (can be mitigated by mods)
All these things and more should be expected when working with a community. As a developer, you need to accept ALL of these things in order to contribute to making the community a healthy place.
Eventually, a developer must leave a device and move forward for WHATEVER reason they choose. This is inevitable, but in order to provide a healthy development cycle a developer should ALWAYS provide their source code for a time after development has stopped. This way projects can live on with other developers or be forked entirely.
MY COMMENTS ON TODAY:
DSB9938 - You are a fantastic developer and I urge you not to leave. I do believe you are misguided in pulling all your code and preventing others from forking or continuing your work. It goes against all that open source is about. You signed the social contract and you couldn't handle the terms, you wronged the community by breaking the trust you had developed.
Dr_Drache - Seriously? Kicking me from the AndIRC #droid-dna chat because you don't agree with what I say here? Did I step on your ego much? Stopping your s-off development because of all of this as well? You are whats wrong with the developers side of the community. God forbid someone disagree's with you, you either kick them or pull your project entirely. Go develop for Microsoft or some other proprietary company. You have forgotten about what the community really means and what open source is about.
Everyone else - We can pull through this. I have already started researching to pick up kernel development. It will be slow since DSB refuses to assist, but it can certainly be done.
Mods - We can't afford to lose more developers. We have to stop the harassment.
I agree with your post except the parts directed to DSB and Drache because it is a continuation of the feud. Let's just wipe the slate clean and follow the other parts of your comments because they are good guidelines on how to interact with each other.
th3raid0r said:
Hello All,
In recent events we saw our primary kernel developer completely drop his project and leave. This is a sad thing, but it could have been prevented on both sides. It seems that there has lately been a huge misunderstanding of what working with a community means and what open source means, it is tearing the community as a whole apart.
I. USERS/TESTERS: (this is the part most of us know about)
This can roughly refer to anyone that is not a developer or submitting code, but it can also refer to developers using ROMs or Kernels produced by other developers. Anyone in this position needs to realize that almost ALL Roms/Kernels/Themes are experimental even if considered "stable". There is a reason that on both Rootzwiki and XDA it is common to see developers stating they are not responsible for any damage done to your device or your data.
Device problems will differ from one device to another due to security implementations or new code/hardware or even something else. It needs to be understood that a kernel/Rom release that has bugs may NOT be due to code written by the dev, but by an inherent flaw in the hardware OR the stock code.
What does this mean to you?
Well, in order to function as effectively as possible a general guideline should be followed.
Be Tactful - Lets face it, there are going to be issues with ROMs and Kernels. There will never be a truly 'stable' release. Try to report issues in a polite and friendly manner. If you disagree with a developer, you can let them know, just be sure to be as tactful as possible, also make sure to provide adequate reports and detail.
Detail, Detail, Detail - Many of the newer folks don't know how to access logfiles, but this shouldn't stop you from being detailed. When an issue is come across, make sure to include as much detail as possible. For clarification, ANYTHING that is changed from stock configuration should be considered. For kernels, it is good to include any and all adjustments you have made. If a log can be pulled, DO IT, it won't hurt and the developer has an easier time figuring it all out.
Try to learn - The development community is a big place. By learning, you verify that you can help other newbies down the line, and that you provide more assistance to developers.
II. Developers: (the part less of us know about)
Ah, developers, without all of you, we wouldn't exist. Someone needs to do the work, and you provide the dedication and time. Most of us can't thank you enough. However, it seems that recently a lot of the developers are developing for the wrong reasons and are doing things against the very ideals we all stand for.
When developing with a community, ALL developers sign a non-verbal social contract. This contract includes many things.
- You are going to deal with some harassment (can be mitigated by mods) - Some people have bad days, others are asshats.
- Younger members will take you for granted
- Younger members will have difficulty providing detail
- The community will expect support for your product(s)
- Other developers (mostly new developers) will not credit you for your work occasionally (can be mitigated by mods)
All these things and more should be expected when working with a community. As a developer, you need to accept ALL of these things in order to contribute to making the community a healthy place.
Eventually, a developer must leave a device and move forward for WHATEVER reason they choose. This is inevitable, but in order to provide a healthy development cycle a developer should ALWAYS provide their source code for a time after development has stopped. This way projects can live on with other developers or be forked entirely.
MY COMMENTS ON TODAY:
DSB9938 - You are a fantastic developer and I urge you not to leave. I do believe you are misguided in pulling all your code and preventing others from forking or continuing your work. It goes against all that open source is about. You signed the social contract and you couldn't handle the terms, you wronged the community by breaking the trust you had developed. If you do not return, I can only hope that other, BETTER developers (in skill and ideology) fill your shoes.
Dr_Drache - Seriously? Kicking me from the AndIRC #droid-dna chat because you don't agree with what I say here? Did I step on your ego much? Stopping your s-off development because of all of this as well? You are whats wrong with the developers side of the community. God forbid someone disagree's with you, you either kick them or pull your project entirely. Go develop for Microsoft or some other proprietary company. You have forgotten about what the community really means and what open source is about.
Everyone else - We can pull through this. I have already started researching to pick up kernel development. It will be slow since DSB refuses to assist, but it can certainly be done.
Mods - We can't afford to lose more developers. We have to stop the harassment.
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you, "my friend" need to learn when to stop running your mouth. you spent nearly an hour pretending to care, yet saying dsb/devs should give more back, because we have a contract with the community.
you never stepped on my ego, you were banned for being a luke. you want to quote GPL to the devs and expect us to fall down for you.
I agree with your post except the parts directed to DSB and Drache because it is a continuation of the feud. Let's just wipe the slate clean and follow the other parts of your comments because they are good guidelines on how to interact with each other.
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I do need to get access back to the #Droid-DNA chat, otherwise it is VERY difficult to even begin development.
dr_drache said:
you, "my friend" need to learn when to stop running your mouth. you spent nearly an hour pretending to care, yet saying dsb/devs should give more back, because we have a contract with the community.
you never stepped on my ego, you were banned for being a luke. you want to quote GPL to the devs and expect us to fall down for you.
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No, that is your assumption. I never even once demanded for more. I feel that the actions that have been taken are one of the sloppiest examples of open source development. I am trying to be a reasonable voice. I am trying to keep development going despite our recent setbacks.
I think that at the very least, devs should provide the sources so that development may continue after they decide to leave. Otherwise we loose too much progress.
th3raid0r said:
When developing with a community, ALL developers sign a non-verbal social contract. This contract includes many things.
- You are going to deal with some harassment (can be mitigated by mods) - Some people have bad days, others are asshats.
- Younger members will take you for granted
- Younger members will have difficulty providing detail
- The community will expect support for your product(s)
- Other developers (mostly new developers) will not credit you for your work occasionally (can be mitigated by mods)
All these things and more should be expected when working with a community. As a developer, you need to accept ALL of these things in order to contribute to making the community a healthy place.
Eventually, a developer must leave a device and move forward for WHATEVER reason they choose. This is inevitable, but in order to provide a healthy development cycle a developer should ALWAYS provide their source code for a time after development has stopped. This way projects can live on with other developers or be forked entirely.
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No, no no no no no no. No social contract, this is an at will thing, that most of us are not paid for. Some of us do it for a living, and also do it here for fun. We do this for FUN. We do this for our benefit (having fun). I can not be anymore honest, anything I do here, I do for my benefit (Brain exercise and fun). I enjoy Android. The day I no longer enjoy it, I will either leave for good, or take a break like I have in the past. We can leave the playground and go home at any time. In fact I encourage developers to do this from time to time, It helped me greatly.
We do get some *sshat harassment, no we don't have to deal with it. We can ignore it, take it to a mod, or take our cake and go home. I tend to confront it, bad habit of mine
Younger members will take us for granted, some times you have to turn the power off to wake them up, or let them sit a minute waiting for you to release something they want.
Support should be appreciated, but not expected. We have families, jobs, and some of use have a life outside of Android(not saying I do ).
Most people who steal work, are not developers. They are general *sshats, that is all.
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MY COMMENTS ON TODAY:
DSB9938 - You are a fantastic developer and I urge you not to leave. I do believe you are misguided in pulling all your code and preventing others from forking or continuing your work. It goes against all that open source is about. You signed the social contract and you couldn't handle the terms, you wronged the community by breaking the trust you had developed. If you do not return, I can only hope that other, BETTER developers (in skill and ideology) fill your shoes.
Dr_Drache - Seriously? Kicking me from the AndIRC #droid-dna chat because you don't agree with what I say here? Did I step on your ego much? Stopping your s-off development because of all of this as well? You are whats wrong with the developers side of the community. God forbid someone disagree's with you, you either kick them or pull your project entirely. Go develop for Microsoft or some other proprietary company. You have forgotten about what the community really means and what open source is about.
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RE: DSB9939: Sorry but take your social contract somewhere else, it doesn't even make sense. He didn't sign, didn't verbally agree, wasn't paid, rarely got a pat on the back. This is the guy who is the reason you all have root/unlock, and you are breaking his balls. Yeah no Beaups and I are not the reason, we were just the way to a means.
RE: Dr_Drache: AndIRC is not part of XDA, we are separate and really what goes on there doesn't belong here. If you have an issue, take it to me, Zifnab, TheFuzz4 or DougPiston. It is a PRIVATE server, and people are welcome at operator discretion. We are allowed to limit it to like minded people, or even to just be grumpy and randomly remove people if we wish (we don't normally). If you want to talk about it, you know where it is, and how to get ahold of me.
Dude, we don't another thread about this lol. I'm not here to harp on this fact, but I'm glad I dumped my DNA while I still had the chance. For some extremely odd reason, people don't know how to act in HTC threads. I definitely don't miss all of this drama from when I had my Rezound.
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th3raid0r said:
I do need to get access back to the #Droid-DNA chat, otherwise it is VERY difficult to even begin development.
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Requesting the community to be civil and then throwing in some parting shots is not ideal. I don't know what went down with you guys over there but maybe you can speak with the powers that be and work out an amicable solution.
jcase said:
No, no no no no no no. No social contract, this is an at will thing, that most of us are not paid for. Some of us do it for a living, and also do it here for fun. We do this for FUN. We do this for our benefit (having fun). I can not be anymore honest, anything I do here, I do for my benefit (Brain exercise and fun). I enjoy Android. The day I no longer enjoy it, I will either leave for good, or take a break like I have in the past. We can leave the playground and go home at any time. In fact I encourage developers to do this from time to time, It helped me greatly.
We do get some *sshat harassment, no we don't have to deal with it. We can ignore it, take it to a mod, or take our cake and go home. I tend to confront it, bad habit of mine
Younger members will take us for granted, some times you have to turn the power off to wake them up, or let them sit a minute waiting for you to release something they want.
Support should be appreciated, but not expected. We have families, jobs, and some of use have a life outside of Android(not saying I do ).
Most people who steal work, are not developers. They are general *sshats, that is all.
RE: DSB9939: Sorry but take your social contract somewhere else, it doesn't even make sense. He didn't sign, didn't verbally agree, wasn't paid, rarely got a pat on the back. This is the guy who is the reason you all have root/unlock, and you are breaking his balls. Yeah no Beaups and I are not the reason, we were just the way to a means.
RE: Dr_Drache: AndIRC is not part of XDA, we are separate and really what goes on there doesn't belong here. If you have an issue, take it to me, Zifnab, TheFuzz4 or DougPiston. It is a PRIVATE server, and people are welcome at operator discretion. We are allowed to limit it to like minded people, or even to just be grumpy and randomly remove people if we wish (we don't normally). If you want to talk about it, you know where it is, and how to get ahold of me.
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A social non-verbal contract is never an official thing.
In a most basic form it is the trade of safety/stability for a service when it comes to political science. They apply everywhere.
The reason we are no longer roaming nomads is due to social contracts.
I am not saying that this social contract is why you guys develop. It is the generalized community expectations. They are going to vary from member to member as well.
I understand Support is not expected, on your end, however it is essential to a successful project and furthermore it is essential to reputation. Reputation garners donations and therefore some developers incomes.
Most of my other points also follow this same logic.
A healthy community flourishes when these invisible expectations are met. Look at the GNex development for example and take note at what the successful projects are and how they got there.
I understand that DSB wasn't well appreciated. But the community opinion doesn't get better if he leaves in this way, I would argue that he broke a lot of trust that the community had in him. He could have still taken a break, but there are much more elegant ways to do so.
Sigh.
You want a contract? What does the guy on the other end get out of the contract?
I make the things I make so that I can run my phone how I want to run it. That's the only reason. I do not make them for you, or to look like some smart guy, or for my ego. I am the first to admit that I don't know a damned thing about coding. What I make takes hard hours of trial and error. Basically pounding on things till I slowly figure out how they work and bend them to do what I want.
And I do it for days on end. Till it works well enough for me to run on my phone. And I AM PICKY. I want it to be perfect. However, I also share what I make. I share it so that others who want to have their phone run the way I do, don't have to work so hard to get there.
Now comes the rub. There are billions of people in the world. And I bet if you put every phone next to every other phone, you would still not find two setup and/or used the same way. Because of that, I cannot test every possibility. When people come to me with something that doesn't work, do I just say no? Of course not. I made it. I feel responsible for it working correctly.
Now, having determined that I am not a coder, what do I do? First I go ask other people who are much smarter than I am. People like jcase, beaups, imoseyon, show-p1984. These are the real coders/android hackers in the world. They look at the code and actually know what it's doing. They don't have to try to arm wrestle with it to figure out what's wrong.
If that doesn't work, I beat on it. I look at logs. When you post those logs in my threads, there's a bunch of people who read them, not just me. And if I can figure it out, with what help is available, I fix it. If not, I say so. Half the time, what's in those logs is of no help, a quarter of the time, it's in there what happened, but it wasn't related. And lets not forget those logs are usually thousands of lines to read through.
Do I claim to be perfect? Hell no. But I do my best. And that's the very limit of what anybody else on the site has any particular right to ask me for. Nothing more. I try to let slide all of the little digs that people use when things don't work right. But over time it gets to you, ya know? And you guys only see the public stuff, in the threads. You don't see the PMs. And see the people who come online to the chat. You have no clue.
Now top that off with people twisting my words to insult me. I basically said that there are other reasons you can have problems with your phone. I did not say it wasn't my kernel, I said it wasn't in the logs. And I have this guy come in and say yeah, mine runs fine on stock. Seems our phones are only crap on your kernel. Now how did you honestly expect me to react?
I have asked this guy more than once to not run my kernel because he has these outbreaks. This was not the first one. And if you go look through his previous postings, you can see his doesn't only disrespect me, he has outright disrespected MODs as well. This makes me wonder why he was still around to bother me in the first place. But that's beside the point.
Now anybody who thinks I'm curt with others, go read the stuff I've had to put up with and see how long you can take it. I have no problems with people posting when they have an issue. And I can tell you right here and right now, my stuff isn't perfect. But when I tell you I can't find it, or fix it, that doesn't give you the right to flip out and go off on me. That means you go back a version and wait till I make a new one, or you go run something else. I even made a simple stock one for those with issues to run so they could have system write if they had issues.
I DO NOT MAKE ANYBODY RUN MY STUFF.
Now, having said all of that. Put yourself in my shoes and see how happy you would be.
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orangechoochoo said:
Requesting the community to be civil and then throwing in some parting shots is not ideal.
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Yeah, hindsight is 20/20.
It's early in the morning but after reading these threads that big bottle of Grey Goose is calling.
dsb9938 said:
You want a contract? What does the guy on the other end get out of the contract?
I make the things I make so that I can run my phone how I want to run it. That's the only reason. I do not make them for you, or to look like some smart guy, or for my ego. I am the first to admit that I don't know a damned thing about coding. What I make takes hard hours of trial and error. Basically pounding on things till I slowly figure out how they work and bend them to do what I want.
And I do it for days on end. Till it works well enough for me to run on my phone. And I AM PICKY. I want it to be perfect. However, I also share what I make. I share it so that others who want to have their phone run the way I do, don't have to work so hard to get there.
Now comes the rub. There are billions of people in the world. And I bet if you put every phone next to every other phone, you would still not find two setup and/or used the same way. Because of that, I cannot test every possibility. When people come to me with something that doesn't work, do I just say no? Of course not. I made it. I feel responsible for it working correctly.
Now, having determined that I am not a coder, what do I do? First I go ask other people who are much smarter than I am. People like jcase, beaups, imoseyon, show-p1984. These are the real coders/android hackers in the world. They look at the code and actually know what it's doing. They don't have to try to arm wrestle with it to figure out what's wrong.
If that doesn't work, I beat on it. I look at logs. When you post those logs in my threads, there's a bunch of people who read them, not just me. And if I can figure it out, with what help is available, I fix it. If not, I say so. Half the time, what's in those logs is of no help, a quarter of the time, it's in there what happened, but it wasn't related. And lets not forget those logs are usually thousands of lines to read through.
Do I claim to be perfect? Hell no. But I do my best. And that's the very limit of what anybody else on the site has any particular right to ask me for. Nothing more. I try to let slide all of the little digs that people use when things don't work right. But over time it gets to you, ya know? And you guys only see the public stuff, in the threads. You don't see the PMs. And see the people who come online to the chat. You have no clue.
Now top that off with people twisting my words to insult me. I basically said that there are other reasons you can have problems with your phone. I did not say it wasn't my kernel, I said it wasn't in the logs. And I have this guy come in and say yeah, mine runs fine on stock. Seems our phones are only crap on your kernel. Now how did you honestly expect me to react?
I have asked this guy more than once to not run my kernel because he has these outbreaks. This was not the first one. And if you go look through his previous postings, you can see his doesn't only disrespect me, he has outright disrespected MODs as well. This makes me wonder why he was still around to bother me in the first place. But that's beside the point.
Now anybody who thinks I'm curt with others, go read the stuff I've had to put up with and see how long you can take it. I have no problems with people posting when they have an issue. And I can tell you right here and right now, my stuff isn't perfect. But when I tell you I can't find it, or fix it, that doesn't give you the right to flip out and go off on me. That means you go back a version and wait till I make a new one, or you go run something else. I even made a simple stock one for those with issues to run so they could have system write if they had issues.
I DO NOT MAKE ANYBODY RUN MY STUFF.
Now, having said all of that. Put yourself in my shoes and see how happy you would be.
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Hey, I totally understand all of that.
I have made some tweaks myself, but I don't publish them because I know they don't have much application outside of myself.
I do know where you are at, I work at a large legal software company as a QA Analyst. I KNOW the daily grind on this.
The harrasment won't always go away. Hell, i get it here in a large company. It can be mitigated by a few things. For example you can use a smaller community.
You don't have to deal with these things at all, but if you leave on such bad terms without a way for someone to pick up where you left off, it doesn't leave a good impression on the rest of the community.
The fact that you don't know code makes this all the more impressive. You are a fantastic problem solver, it shows, maybe we can find some way to lessen the blow for you and yet continue public development?
th3raid0r said:
A social non-verbal contract is never an official thing.
In a most basic form it is the trade of safety/stability for a service when it comes to political science. They apply everywhere.
The reason we are no longer roaming nomads is due to social contracts.
I am not saying that this social contract is why you guys develop. It is the generalized community expectations. They are going to vary from member to member as well.
I understand Support is not expected, on your end, however it is essential to a successful project and furthermore it is essential to reputation. Reputation garners donations and therefore some developers incomes.
Most of my other points also follow this same logic.
A healthy community flourishes when these invisible expectations are met. Look at the GNex development for example and take note at what the successful projects are and how they got there.
I understand that DSB wasn't well appreciated. But the community opinion doesn't get better if he leaves in this way, I would argue that he broke a lot of trust that the community had in him. He could have still taken a break, but there are much more elegant ways to do so.
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You keep saying signed social contract. It is non-sense man. What you mean is expectations from non involved individuals.
Most developers get jack for donations, only people who get tons are either A) the attention begging people who release 100000 roms for 1000 devices that are nothing special, or B) ones who release something special, and then the donation spree is short and sweet. We don't do it for donations. DSB is not making much from donations on this device, he does it strictly for fun and people are making it NOT fun for him.
I fell into B) with the DNA. I will say I made ~$800 from donations on the DNA unlock, it is not the rule but an exception. I bought two used phones really cheap to develop on ($200 and $140, gave the $200 one away to another developer for free after I was done. $140 one I will give away as well at some point.), pizza dinner for my kids ($35, my personal reward), sent some for another developer (DSB, for his work and risks) and donated the rest to various charities. This is NOT A normal amount of donations. Don't fool yourself thinking most developers are making an income of any kind doing this.
GNex community flourished due to paid support from Google (AOSP), and open documentation. Two things we did not have.
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If you haven't been in our shoes, you shouldn't pretend to know, and you shouldn't complain about us.
solutions anyone?
dsb, jcase I have to side with you guys entirely. I love your work and I appreciate it completely. I am grateful for you guys, were it not for you guys and other people like you I would not get to 'OCD' on my droid all hours of the night like I do. I have learned much. I am a machinist in a shipyard, I can understand fine tuning and perfection in your work.
Unfortunately most of today's societal behaviors even in grown adults are dysfunctional at best. I have been on the internet since it's inception to the public eye and all I can say is that arguing and bickering that happens on the internet is absolutely ridiculous. I feel bad for you guys and embarrassed for the "others."
I have to agree with what works though. My daughter, when she was young would throw a temper tantrum and slam her bedroom door, so I removed the door.
orangechoochoo said:
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orangechoochoo said:
It's early in the morning but after reading these threads that big bottle of Grey Goose is calling.
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Its almost night here, and Jack Daniels is calling me, all after reading all that posts and some chating on IRC... Never ever see such outcome because of some not polite posts. I have degree in International Relations and first thing i 've learned - don't say what you think, say what you need to say and SMILE )))) We all just people. I got my family. Wife, kids... But i spend time here not only because of kernels, ROMs and all that stuff. But because of great community. It looks like that 1 person can spoil all that great atmosphere.... :silly:
jcase said:
You keep saying signed social contract. It is non-sense man. What you mean is expectations from non involved individuals.
Most developers get jack for donations, only people who get tons are either A) the attention begging people who release 100000 roms for 1000 devices that are nothing special, or B) ones who release something special, and then the donation spree is short and sweet. We don't do it for donations. DSB is not making much from donations on this device, he does it strictly for fun and people are making it NOT fun for him.
I fell into B) with the DNA. I will say I made ~$800 from donations on the DNA unlock, it is not the rule but an exception. I bought two used phones really cheap to develop on ($200 and $140, gave the $200 one away to another developer for free after I was done. $140 one I will give away as well at some point.), pizza dinner for my kids ($35, my personal reward), sent some for another developer (DSB, for his work and risks) and donated the rest to various charities. This is NOT A normal amount of donations. Don't fool yourself thinking most developers are making an income of any kind doing this.
GNex community flourished due to paid support from Google (AOSP), and open documentation. Two things we did not have.
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If you haven't been in our shoes, you shouldn't pretend to know, and you shouldn't complain about us.
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Never said you make a living off the income generated from donations. I know it is mostly small, but the funds do help most people. It is also nice to know that you mean something to a few individuals.
Also, I work at a legal software company as a QA Analyst officially, but I do mostly QA Engineering work for no recognition, no additional pay, and the occasional bit of harassment when someone doesn't understand my methods. I really DO get the environment.
The only thing I am complaining about is devs leaving on such bad terms without a way for the community to recover, that's it.
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The only thing I am complaining about is devs leaving on such bad terms without a way for the community to recover, that's it.
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What makes you think anybody owes "the community" a way to recover?
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