So You Want to Root and Mod Your HTC Phone - Verizon HTC Droid Incredible 4G LTE

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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.​
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx​
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.​
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.​
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"​
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
…
Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel​
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.

I will be linking this post FREQUENTLY.

hehe - nice writeup!

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Future S-OFF is suspect to me.

I am making a case for suspicious delay in S-OFF. We all know that they could do this right now. The package would be very small and would be low risk.
I am suspecting that the delay is giving them a chance to do the following:
1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF
2. Close current root exploits
3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM
and worse...
4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries.
Maybe not all of these will happen... but I am betting that at a minimum, accepting the HTC S-OFF is going to remove the ability to install an ENG bootloader, which would ultimately give us ALL the control.
I am open to being wrong... but please don't waste people's time with flames. If you disagree, then a simple -1 or an intellectual thought would suffice.
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All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
3D > iClone
My opinion is that they are taking their time in order to release their own "HTC Approved" S-off software, including rom flashing, etc etc. Chances are, they WONT just say, "Bam, S-Off", because they are a big company, and unlocking the bootloader publicly only invites the bottom 10% of stupid people to brick their phones because they don't know what they are doing.
"Well, HTC said it's ok... How was I supposed to know I could ruin my phone!?!?! Buy me a new one!"
They're going to go out of their way to make S-off and flashing new roms a mainstream, polished, clean thing, and not a "Do at your own risk, following some random dude on the internet's instructions" like it is right now.
That's my belief, anyway. I'm not sure what kind of securities and limitations HTC will put in place, but the top 1% of 1% of us will find a way to get past them anyway.
That would be awesome
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nate420 said:
All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
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Not really. People are complaining about how long it will take, and there may be an occasional opinion spattered here and there. But I articulated several scenarios which are quite plausible. And the discussion does deserve to be in one place.
So... you're welcome?
edufur said:
I am making a case for suspicious delay in S-OFF. We all know that they could do this right now. The package would be very small and would be low risk.
I am suspecting that the delay is giving them a chance to do the following:
1. Install a special HBOOT which CANNOT be downrev'd (we already know this is the case in old school EVOs that have S-OFF
2. Close current root exploits
3. Prevent, limit, or make difficult the ability to install a recovery ROM
and worse...
4. Give carriers the ability to later enforce S-ON and/or wipe recoveries.
Maybe not all of these will happen... but I am betting that at a minimum, accepting the HTC S-OFF is going to remove the ability to install an ENG bootloader, which would ultimately give us ALL the control.
I am open to being wrong... but please don't waste people's time with flames. If you disagree, then a simple -1 or an intellectual thought would suffice.
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-1. I don't think they will implement that much control. I'm thinking that it'll be more along the lines of them using a watermark, or something like that. That way, once you unlock it, the system is marked as being unlocked, thus voiding software warranty (I would hope that certain hardware things, such as faulty power button, volume buttons, camera button, 2d/3d switch etc etc would still be covered). Also, I'd bet that they've designed a new hboot all together, which can be unlocked via 'fastboot oem unlock'. As I said, I believe that unlocking it will either 'stain' the system, or perhaps even not be relockable. Maybe they've designed an hboot that once unlocked, it can't be relocked, thus never being able to fully unroot.
I don't think that Sprint really cares too much about it. People always say that tethering has a lot to do with why carriers might not want people to root, but there are plenty of tethering apps that don't require root. ****, we can tether already, even without having S-off.
It's already a given that HTC will eventually close the current root exploit. It is potentially dangerous. Teamwin thought it was potentially dangerous, to the point that they notified HTC about it. Obviously they did that hoping and knowing that HTC would close the exploit. We don't need or want to be susceptible to malware, should developers with malicious intentions decide to write some apps that steal all sorts of personal info. If we have S-off, even if they closed the current exploits, we could still flash a ROM that was already rooted. I really don't see them impeding us from using a custom recovery or anything like that. The backlash they would receive from all of us would be nuts. That would be total deception, if they gave us S-off, but then stopped us from being able to do any of the things that we are looking to do with S-off. They know why we want it. I truly think they are just trying to figure out a way to work out what may happen with the warranty issues, watermarking, or making it so that the bootloader isn't able to be set back to S-on once it's been set to S-off. They are trying to cover themselves somehow.
If they try to pull any shady stuff, and give us a half assed S-off, where we still didn't have full control of our phone, then I'm pretty sure there would be a massive uproar, and they know that. If they did something like that, I would imagine that at that point, a lot of people would really give up on HTC and move on to a manufacturer that isn't so deceptive.
nate420 said:
All of this is being discussed in the 5 other threads regarding s-off
Thanks for putting it all in one place?
3D > iClone
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lol, you really just can't hit the 'back' button and ignore a thread if you don't agree with it, huh? I find it comical.
HERE WE GO AGAIN
I have never said a negative comment on a thread but c'mon already!! stop cluttering the forum please! Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread on something you could have commented on a thread that was already there?
/endRANT
k2buckley said:
-1. I don't think they will implement that much control. I'm thinking that it'll be more along the lines of them using a watermark, or something like that. That way, once you unlock it, the system is marked as being unlocked, thus voiding software warranty (I would hope that certain hardware things, such as faulty power button, volume buttons, camera button, 2d/3d switch etc etc would still be covered). Also, I'd bet that they've designed a new hboot all together, which can be unlocked via 'fastboot oem unlock'. As I said, I believe that unlocking it will either 'stain' the system, or perhaps even not be relockable. Maybe they've designed an hboot that once unlocked, it can't be relocked, thus never being able to fully unroot.
I don't think that Sprint really cares too much about it. People always say that tethering has a lot to do with why carriers might not want people to root, but there are plenty of tethering apps that don't require root. ****, we can tether already, even without having S-off.
It's already a given that HTC will eventually close the current root exploit. It is potentially dangerous. Teamwin thought it was potentially dangerous, to the point that they notified HTC about it. Obviously they did that hoping and knowing that HTC would close the exploit. We don't need or want to be susceptible to malware, should developers with malicious intentions decide to write some apps that steal all sorts of personal info. If we have S-off, even if they closed the current exploits, we could still flash a ROM that was already rooted. I really don't see them impeding us from using a custom recovery or anything like that. The backlash they would receive from all of us would be nuts. That would be total deception, if they gave us S-off, but then stopped us from being able to do any of the things that we are looking to do with S-off. They know why we want it. I truly think they are just trying to figure out a way to work out what may happen with the warranty issues, watermarking, or making it so that the bootloader isn't able to be set back to S-on once it's been set to S-off. They are trying to cover themselves somehow.
If they try to pull any shady stuff, and give us a half assed S-off, where we still didn't have full control of our phone, then I'm pretty sure there would be a massive uproar, and they know that. If they did something like that, I would imagine that at that point, a lot of people would really give up on HTC and move on to a manufacturer that isn't so deceptive.
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+1 this makes more sense then them doing something shady. if they do their fb will blow up like none other i believe lol
@k2buckley
That was a well thought out response. thanks for the non-flame...
I would still disagree a little though. I really don't think they would put something out and then say the warranty is void. I am pretty sure there are legal ramifications for that. If they wanted to do it that way, they would just leak the solution and let people toast it and have NO liability.
In addition, HTC has already stated that the solution they will be providing WILL grant S-ON and S-OFF toggling. This leads me to believe that they will release it, and it will shortly thereafter LOCK. They will then tell people to contact their carrier as they are the ones who re-locked it.
I personally think the only way to prevent this will be to NOT take updates and to wait for a hacked S-OFF along with an ENG bootloader... and then never taking an OTA.
edufur said:
Not really. People are complaining about how long it will take, and there may be an occasional opinion spattered here and there. But I articulated several scenarios which are quite plausible. And the discussion does deserve to be in one place.
So... you're welcome?
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No ALL of your theories are in the other threads along with a few other conspiracy theories including but not limited to:
The Russians are controlling the updates
Blame Canada?
The T1000 that was "killed" in terminator 2 came back and stole it
Ect. Ect.
k2buckley said:
lol, you really just can't hit the 'back' button and ignore a thread if you don't agree with it, huh? I find it comical.
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No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
Zoidpilot said:
HERE WE GO AGAIN
I have never said a negative comment on a thread but c'mon already!! stop cluttering the forum please! Did you really need to start ANOTHER thread on something you could have commented on a thread that was already there?
/endRANT
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It is actually YOUR post that is cluttering here. And the large PIC was even more clutter. There isn't a single post or reply that has made the case that I have made. This thread is about the case that I am making. Take your rant somewhere else please. Or go back and edit your post to just -1 (without the PIC clutter... seeing how you are against the clutter)
nate420 said:
No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
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You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
ckoadiyn said:
+1 this makes more sense then them doing something shady. if they do their fb will blow up like none other i believe lol
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People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.
You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
edufur said:
People couldn't rightfully blow up the HTC wall if Sprint is responsible for a re-lock.
You have to remember... Sprint is more their customer than we are.
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this is true but id think if sprint wanted it locked they would have told HTC no don't do that we don't want our customers to be able to unlock it. i mean all the OTA's to my understanding have to be approved by sprint and sprint has to check them first am i wrong here? that's what i understood was when we where all hitting up HTC about the gingerbread update for the
EVO.
edufur said:
You have yet to prove that. I am making a specific case. Link those posts here that make the same (thought out) case that I am making.
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You have a lot of reading to do...
And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...
All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...
Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163223
3D > iClone
And who ever said there was a "delay"
Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints
Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...
3D > iClone
All this stuff and I point it out...I.recieve a 3 point infraction and the threads removed I call horse sh*t bro. Once again another thread about something written a million times
nate420 said:
And who ever said there was a "delay"
Maybe they haven't started it or are trying to deal with the other 40 devices they sell... And all of there problems and complaints
Let alone the bugs in our phones and sensations... Jesus Christ I mean you expect HTC to just whip up a "update" for the bootloader when they have phones that are spazzing out and melting them selfs...
3D > iClone
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nate420 said:
You have a lot of reading to do...
And "thought out". If you think this is thought out... Then only god know what other thoughts fall out of your brain...
All of your *key* ideas have already been brought up...
Like I said good job putting it all in one page... But a little late to the debate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1163223
3D > iClone
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OMG... You went from "4 to 9" threads to ONE... And it doesn't even come close to covering the case that I am making. Item 1 in my case is PROVABLE.
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nate420 said:
No I can't not when its the same info in 4 to 9 threads all with "catchy" topic titles
3D > iClone
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Yea, I hear you. But there's really no way to stop someone from posting what they want to post. There is always some duplicate threads, always. I decided to post in this one, instead of the others. Was I supposed to search all of them, and see which one was posted first, and then reply in the first one? Hell no. This was the first one I saw (although I know there are more, but why would I want to find out which one was posted first, when I could just as easily reply to this one).
So although I agree with you that it can sometimes be annoying to have multiple threads about the same topic, I have pretty much come to accept that that is how it will always be. You can't control what other people are going to post on the internet, no matter how many facepalm pics people post in their threads. I see plenty of threads where I think to myself, "damn, I just ready a 32 page thread about the same topic, do I really need to click on this other one?" nah, I'll just pass it. Surely there isn't any info in this one that I didn't already read in the others. So yea, its just how it is. Especially in this forum, where it seems to be more hectic, hostile, and redundant than any other forum I've frequented, lol.
I think once people can start flashing roms and kernels, things will settle down. It's like a bunch of junkies in here, waiting for their next fix. Everyone is down eachothers throats. Idunno, in other forums, if two or more threads are 'accidentally' created with the same topic, the mods will usually merge the two threads together into one, to keep things more organized. That doesn't happen here. I think instead of everyone flaming and facepalming one another, that everyone should just report to a mod and they should merge the thread, quietly. So people wouldn't even know what happened. But that has never happens here on xda, so everyone just goes crazy flaming a newbie for posting a duplicate thread. Again, I agree..that if people would read up a bit before posting, they'd see that there is already a thread of similar nature for them to post in...but that's expecting a lot Things will eventually settle down.

does anyone else not want htc to release root to the masses?

Hope I don't get flamed since almost every new thread does but I am hoping when HTC decides to allow root that its not like an ota that just makes it nice and easy for everyone to do it.
Maybe I'm selfish but i liked that my EVO 4G was special..and i feel like the "wow" factor will be lost if every Joe schmoe can just root...I'm wondering how HTC will implement the unlock..but i would prefer they just dropped the encryption and let the devs do the rest..99% of phones owners have no clue what rooting or flashing etc is...and i like it that way..
Sorry if this considered a waste of thread space.. bring on the "you mad?" And face palm pics
Nah we got too many threads with the pics I wont bring em. Yea I felt root made my EVO special. People who don't care wont ask for it.
phatmanxxl said:
Nah we got too many threads with the pics I wont bring em. Yea I felt root made my EVO special. People who don't care wont ask for it.
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@op. Most people don't want Su privilege or care to learn how to get it... Most people I talk to in real life only want root for better battery life... Yet don't know how get get root or use it. :/
3D > iClone
Yup same here
I think it would be awesome if everyone jumped on the ability to mod their phones the way we do. It would do wonders for HTC and Android.
Tapa tapa tapa
mlin said:
I think it would be awesome if everyone jumped on the ability to mod their phones the way we do. It would do wonders for HTC and Android.
Tapa tapa tapa
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+1
All those talented developers that don't even know they have it in them are waiting to be awoke....
3D > iClone
Heck, Palm Pre owners mostly didn't use it, and it CAME rooted, basically... I didn't know a single other person who actually installed patches or used wifi tether...
General public doesn't care.
firmbiz94 said:
Hope I don't get flamed since almost every new thread does but I am hoping when HTC decides to allow root that its not like an ota that just makes it nice and easy for everyone to do it.
Maybe I'm selfish but i liked that my EVO 4G was special..and i feel like the "wow" factor will be lost if every Joe schmoe can just root...I'm wondering how HTC will implement the unlock..but i would prefer they just dropped the encryption and let the devs do the rest..99% of phones owners have no clue what rooting or flashing etc is...and i like it that way..
Sorry if this considered a waste of thread space.. bring on the "you mad?" And face palm pics
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On one hand that sounds like the very honest sentiment of a nerd who doesn't like that his 'special thing' is about to become a lot less special since the plebes will have easy access to something you worked hard at....kinda...
...on one hand, I identify...on the otherhand that is selfish and a tad shallow. "Don't do what I do that makes me special, that's only for me!"....but I'm not insulting you, I'm being honest even though I feel exactly that same as you on the issue.
Now on the the more practical matter: You are correct sir. 99% of all phone owners have no idea what it is--and that will not change. It has not changed...okay, maybe it went from 99% to 98%, but, that's not too bad.
Those 98% have no business flashing roms, radios, modifying their framework, flashing a recovery...In this world people with a 3G phone who want 4G--the "clever ones" anyway--will try flashing a 4G radio to it to "upgrade it", people who want sense on a samsung will try to flash that...XDA will be flooded with idiocy and internet gangsters who start flamewars with us real geeks for being, well, real geeks and not telling them our secrets of how to upgrade an OG droid to a droid3...etc etc etc.
Luckily, most people are completely ignorant of the matter and even if you TRY to tell them more they. simply. don't. give. a. ****...and that's if you are lucky enough to even get them to understand it.
Don't worry OP...I've been a geek hacking at my hardware and software since I got my first computer in 1990 with a 1200 baud modem...and even in this age where the internet is in everybody's pocket (something we used to have to hack into university systems to get back then), where 1.2ghz dual core processors are in everyone's pocket (my first computer was 4.77mhz with 512k of ram and a 20mb hard drive the size of a netbook)....and video game consoles are more powerful than a supercomputer the size of arkansas would have been back them....even amongst this flood of technology EVERYWHERE these people still prefer to remain ignorant, even the ones that aren't complete retards.
Our secrets are safe, unfortunately.
I like our "secret club" even though we are a dis functional family..I used to love when ppl wouldbbe like i have an EVO too and then the saw the POwwA of mine
All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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I like our "secret club" even though we are a dis functional family..I used to love when ppl wouldbbe like i have an EVO too and then the saw the POwwA of mine
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. You could advertise it with a non-stop crawl on the bottom of the screen starting before american idol and have it run for 2 days straight, blinking red, advertising the benefits of what we do and we wouldn't even notice a difference around here.
...maybe in other forums, but def not the e3d section.
It is entertaining here. I returned mine a week ago and can't stay away.
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All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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And that's when I.believe we will run into trouble ..if they "give" us root and ppl f it up..even If they read the disclaimers they will raise unholy Hell to replace their "bricked" device..I think us.flashers are a small %...the amount of us that brick our phones is a small % of that..****..I would of have to actually try harder to brick my 4G than to flash something new..and even If i was successful there's always nandroid. Anyways I just worry I guess..I really enjoyed my experience with the 4G development..I wish it could be that way again..but HTC had to go and f that up.
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All the exposure of rooting phones / devices has been great for exposure of the potential of the Android system and has helped grab marketshare......However, if you pop over to the Nook forums you'll see a steady influx of people rooting their Nook Colors, flashing something wrong, then shouting from the rooftops "OMG my Nook is bricked!!!!"....all because they didn't know what they were doing & didn't take the time to read & learn about what they were doing in the first place. I'm afraid that is just the direction we're heading in and there is really no way to stop it.
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This is why you will not see a mass introduction of SU permissions made easy by HTC or Sprint. They know the impact this will make if they give every user out there that wants to flash ROM's or play with Kernel's, that they will end up with a massive payout of returns and loss of profits due to people ****ing up their phones because of their inability to actually learn. You can say your phone bricked itself right now when you flash ROMS and get a new phone without paying a deductible. If we know this, then don't think Sprint or HTC is ignorant enough to know that giving the masses complete control of their phones without some kind of watermark or time-stamp into their product, then they will lose out huge and potentially not be #1 anymore. The only S OFF you will see, is the S OFF were you will be marked like a 666 beast and given a choice to take a red pill or blue pill. It's your choice whether you travel down the rabbit hole.
When will this madness stop?
You guys dont seem to grasp the concept that HTC will NOT root your phone via an OTA. They are going to remove the encryption on the bootloader to allow us to get S-Off on the device and allow system writes to stick. It is not like you will automatically get S-Off and your device will be rooted when they release the OTA. If you do nothing your phone will be exactly the same.
I think everyone pretty much understands that HTC isn't going to magically root everyone's phones, however.......By the very nature of how public the discussion has become and by how very simple the actual rooting process has become SOME people who probably should not be rooting their phones will be. As I've said it's exactly what I've seen with the Nook...."Oh if I burn an SD card, I can have the Android market, cool!?!?"......"Oooops, now I have a blank screen, HELP IT'S BRICKED" Obviously many more people will go on oblivious to our fun, but a handfull who have half a clue will be flashing away without even knowing the risks & rewards of what they are doing.
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You guys dont seem to grasp the concept that HTC will NOT root your phone via an OTA. They are going to remove the encryption on the bootloader to allow us to get S-Off on the device and allow system writes to stick. It is not like you will automatically get S-Off and your device will be rooted when they release the OTA. If you do nothing your phone will be exactly the same.
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This.
The update will probably be an OTA, transparent change where a normal end user notices nothing different (except any bug fixes that were expected in the release). The nerdlings or the "community" at XDA then makes it S-OFF, then flashes custom recovery, then custom ROM.
Point being, HTC won't give you an update that has CM with it
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the evo is already one click rooted.. I don't see how that is so hard. People could root if they could figure it out. Most people won't like the evo 4g.
How many people will take the time out of their day to research what an ota update is for on their new 3vo. Not many.
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I would like to add that most people that have an HTC phone don't visit the HTC Facebook page and/or Twitter page and have no idea about this whole bootloader encryption and what it does. The phone will NOT be rooted by the OTA. All they will do is release an unencrypted bootloader which will probably take a simple fastboot command 'fastboot oem unlock' for it to be unlocked and "s-off". Then install a custom recovery, a rooted Rom and presto you are rooted. This to most people is still too scary to even mess with and risk ****ing up their phone for. For us on here it is a whole different experience. Phones today are pretty much unbrickable unless flashing a radio and pulling the battery or not letting it complete in some way. Most people will give two ****s less about the OTA and we will still be "special".

SAFE MODE?

Running official ICS stock and rooted. I have access to both recoveries on my phone. Using the button combo I get 3e and using a manager app I get CWM. When I tried a reboot from 3e recovery I got this...on the bottom left of the screen, is this the same as a kernel panic?
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Why two threads?
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Why two threads?
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Because he thinks safe mode is special enough to warrant 2 of them?
Seriously though it's just safe mode. Google it. Normal and been around for quite some time
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You would not believe the information Google search gave me when I typed in "safe mode galaxy s2". It was unreal!. Instead of starting 2 threads 20 minutes apart, which you've been a member long enough to know better, just take a deep breath, don't panic, and think for a few minutes on how to figure this out without back to back threads.
Trust me, there was no panic and you're right ...but my time should be an indication that maybe it was an accident...posting from mobile I lost signal in the middle of an edit of the title and it posted twice on it's own. I was just looking to share something I thought was kinda cool as I was unaware that the phone has a safe mode. Trust me my days of panic over a phone are long gone. But thank you to all you Google share holders for the advice.
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Trust me your right, and there was no panic...and my time should be an indication that maybe it was an accident...posting from mobile I lost signal in the middle of an edit of the title and it posted twice on it's own. I was just looking to share something I thought was kinda cool as I was unaware that the phone has a safe mode. Trust me my days of panic over a phone are long gone. But thank you to all you Google share holders for the advice.
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yer right. We should definitely have searched Google for you and posted the results instead of allowing you to figure it out for yourself and learn something.
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So the mods pulled my post?...you have to admit though, it was pretty good and I would like to thank you for giving me the perfect oppurtunity to use that one! Gave you a good slap on the old thanks button just for it too...and to the mods I apologize for having a bit of fun and posting a Troll Bait thread but you have to admit, it's so freaking easy on here, and it's almost always the same ones! Man it's like shooting fish in a barrel!! Now if you dont mind since it appears to be the accepted norm around here...I'm gonna go be an ass in someone else's thread. :angel:
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it's so freaking easy on here, and it's almost always the same ones! Man it's like shooting fish in a barrel!!
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Sooooo, it's almost impossible? Cmon, tell me you've seen that episode of MythBusters?!
Fail!
Clay
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Bang...and another one floats to the top! You guys need another hobby...This ia not the Development forum...its Q&A and I posted a question, GET OVER IT and stay out of the thread if you're coming here with crap. This is not directed at the persons pointing out the double posts (that was totally unintentional) as I was unaware this had happened but whats the point of even having a Q&A thread if people are just going to come in it and say..."you should've Googled that". Instead of comprehending my explanation and the reason for posting the thread in which I clearly explain in my second post (post # 5)...you choose to show your level of intelligence is limited to the MOB MENTALITY of: ..."you should've Googled that". Guess you were raised to think it's OK to be an A-hole every chance you get, and from the safety and cozy little comfort of your keyboard...it's not and only shows an immature attitude. And though some are fairly young I cant imagine why at any point in your life you would ever want to come off as "childish"? You shouldn't type anything in your post you wouldn't say to the person as if they were in the same room. We all have something in common here on this Forum...Android Phones, and something more in common Samsung Android phones, and another thing in common; reading/posting and being a member on a forum site for Samsung Android phones (would't it be cool if more of your friends had these things in common with you?) ...yet some of you feel the need to bash in another persons thread every chance you get and if you really think about it...ANY thread in this section could've been googled...seriously what's the point of the section then? I've gone back and read some "posting history" of the people who have posted negatively and one of you in particular must clearly have developed 'Coulrophobia" just from your first 2 attempts at posting a thread. Maybe that would explain the reason for your obvious angst toward others? Remember where you have come from and learn from it...just because your at a different point now doesn't make you better than anyone else...espescially me. In conclusion...if you feel I or anyone for that matter made an error in posting and not google search first, how does you coming in here just to flame (also XDA rule violation) make any sense? It doesn't and is just as much a FAIL as anything in these forums. Cheers!
You mad bro?
Seriously though, take this into consideration:
You posted a thread without so much as giving ANY effort into finding the answer yourself. This in turn creates clutter, useless information and most of all, irritation from those who scour these forums looking for problems to solve. In simplistic form: wasting time.
As was already stated, it took someone less time to find the answer you were looking for than it took for you to make this thread. When the answer is so readily available, is it really such a hard concept to grasp that those with lots of knowledge about our phones (supposedly including you) get irritated when they read threads like this everyday?
Hell, I did it when I first got my GS2, but I quickly learned how things work around here and how to keep it running smoothly.
[EDIT] PS - You missed. When that shot entered the water it was deflected by the resistance of the waters' surface. You now have a hole in the side of your fish barrel... And no dead fish!
Clay
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erad1 said:
Bang...and another one floats to the top! You guys need another hobby...This ia not the Development forum...its Q&A and I posted a question, GET OVER IT and stay out of the thread if you're coming here with crap. This is not directed at the persons pointing out the double posts (that was totally unintentional) as I was unaware this had happened but whats the point of even having a Q&A thread if people are just going to come in it and say..."you should've Googled that". Instead of comprehending my explanation and the reason for posting the thread in which I clearly explain in my second post (post # 5)...you choose to show your level of intelligence is limited to the MOB MENTALITY of: ..."you should've Googled that". Guess you were raised to think it's OK to be an A-hole every chance you get, and from the safety and cozy little comfort of your keyboard...it's not and only shows an immature attitude. And though some are fairly young I cant imagine why at any point in your life you would ever want to come off as "childish"? You shouldn't type anything in your post you wouldn't say to the person as if they were in the same room. We all have something in common here on this Forum...Android Phones, and something more in common Samsung Android phones, and another thing in common; reading/posting and being a member on a forum site for Samsung Android phones (would't it be cool if more of your friends had these things in common with you?) ...yet some of you feel the need to bash in another persons thread every chance you get and if you really think about it...ANY thread in this section could've been googled...seriously what's the point of the section then? I've gone back and read some "posting history" of the people who have posted negatively and one of you in particular must clearly have developed 'Coulrophobia" just from your first 2 attempts at posting a thread. Maybe that would explain the reason for your obvious angst toward others? Remember where you have come from and learn from it...just because your at a different point now doesn't make you better than anyone else...espescially me. In conclusion...if you feel I or anyone for that matter made an error in posting and not google search first, how does you coming in here just to flame (also XDA rule violation) make any sense? It doesn't and is just as much a FAIL as anything in these forums. Cheers!
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Well said, I like the way you think.... To bad they don't get the fact acting tuff on here tells a lot about you..... Just glad you see it.
".just because your at a different point now doesn't make you better than anyone else..." <~~~~~ Real talk....
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You mad bro?
Seriously though, take this into consideration:
You posted a thread without so much as giving ANY effort into finding the answer yourself. This in turn creates clutter, useless information and most of all, irritation from those who scour these forums looking for problems to solve. In simplistic form: wasting time.
As was already stated, it took someone less time to find the answer you were looking for than it took for you to make this thread. When the answer is so readily available, is it really such a hard concept to grasp that those with lots of knowledge about our phones (supposedly including you) get irritated when they read threads like this everyday?
Hell, I did it when I first got my GS2, but I quickly learned how things work around here and how to keep it running smoothly.
[EDIT] PS - You missed. When that shot entered the water it was deflected by the resistance of the waters' surface. You now have a hole in the side of your fish barrel... And no dead fish!
Clay
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Hmmm and your post helps who how? "This in turn creates clutter, useless information and most of all, irritation from those who scour these forums looking for problems to solve"
I think the question has been answered, lets let this thread die a natural death. Glad the OP got an answer.
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I think the question has been answered, lets let this thread die a natural death. Glad the OP got an answer.
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Question Root vulnerability Nord 2

Greetings. My name is Vangelis. I ordered a Nord 2 from a reseller in Europe.
When the phone arrived it was perfect not a single scratch. But when I open the phone for the first time it booted to the android menu with the Czech language preinstalled. I know it should be open with the default setup. I immediately reset the phone to default and followed the setup guide. I also check the IMEI code with Oneplus and the phone is genuine.IMEI at the box and on the phone are the same. On The box, the manufacturing date is 25/11/2021. Code ##786# doesnt work to track RTN neither *#*#786#*#*. I said to myself that maybe the reseller in Europe opened it to see if it working and close it again somehow or it's refurbished and they sell it as new. The charger, cable, and all the things in the box were placed perfectly. The phone is working just fine as I can see. The phone was not updated and I updated it before I wipe it ( wipe all data from pressing down and power button). Now it's DN2103_11_A.14 but on the main screen of About phone writes OxygenOs Version V11.3.I checked an app called root checker and my phone is not rooted.
I just wonder with the Root vulnerability you guys in XDA discovered ( thumps up for that ) in the worst-case scenario let's imagine someone had physical access to a computer before they send me the phone is my data in danger? What do you suggest I do? Many thanks.
I would not bother, if your phone is rooted you'll see it as soon as you turn on the phone
You get a message saying your bootloader can not be trusted
Why are you worried about an imaginary situation which can steal your kind of data ? Anyway all android or windows platform have hidden/secret backdoor , Google track your browsing , movements , phone utilization , WhatsApp or Telegram despite encrypted conversation can be track by nations intelligence services , China is worst for this point of view . Nothing is concrete safe today ... All have vulnerabilities which can be exploited and for that exist month or less provided updates from manufacturers
Your phone seems to be usable and safe as all can be so don't trouble anymore .
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Why are you worried about an imaginary situation which can steal your kind of data ? Anyway all android or windows platform have hidden/secret backdoor , Google track your browsing , movements , phone utilization , WhatsApp or Telegram despite encrypted conversation can be track by nations intelligence services , China is worst for this point of view . Nothing is concrete safe today ... All have vulnerabilities which can be exploited and for that exist month or less provided updates from manufacturers
Your phone seems to be usable and safe as all can be so don't trouble anymore .
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Is it not normal to worry if my phone has been opened before they send it to me? I know about google, government, Facebook, etc its a whole different discussion from a possible hack or the phone instead of new is refurbished.
ok , you're right
Vangelis kokkinakis said:
Is it not normal to worry if my phone has been opened before they send it to me? I know about google, government, Facebook, etc its a whole different discussion from a possible hack or the phone instead of new is refurbished.
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Yes. When people buy a new phone many want it to be factory sealed. Retailers know this.
Not so much for fear of implanted rootkits etc as the concern some schmuck had their grubby hands on it.
You paid the big bucks to get a new phone, it should be factory sealed.
Is it a deal killer if the phone is mint and the price is right? Probably not, but it's your call.
It's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) that there is any malware on your phone from what you have described. If there was, resetting your phone to stock would have removed it anyway.
The steps it would take to develop and preload a perfectly working copy that imitates the stock rom well, whilst having custom code injected would be phenomenal and completely unrealistic. Especially for a phone like the Nord2 with it's rather low userbase and fairly uncommon Mediatek processor.
If you're worried, just boot into recovery, wipe data and reformat, and any odds of spyware/malware on your phone should become about as close to zero as it can get for anyone with a modern smartphone.
Now, if you're talking about the stock rom's well documented vulnerability, that all Nord2's come loaded with, then yes, they're all vulnerable, but that literally requires the attacker to have your phone in their physical possession; So unless you're planning to physically mail your phone, with your data unwiped, to a malicious party you have nothing to worry about. I don't personally see the vulnerability as much of an issue, as your average joe won't know how to exploit it, and it's been useful to several tinkerers on these forums who've used it to pull a backup of their data off their own phones after a serious bootloop/softbrick scenario happened to them.
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It's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) that there is any malware on your phone from what you have described. If there was, resetting your phone to stock would have removed it anyway.
The steps it would take to develop and preload a perfectly working copy that imitates the stock rom well, whilst having custom code injected would be phenomenal and completely unrealistic. Especially for a phone like the Nord2 with it's rather low userbase and fairly uncommon Mediatek processor.
If you're worried, just boot into recovery, wipe data and reformat, and any odds of spyware/malware on your phone should become about as close to zero as it can get for anyone with a modern smartphone.
Now, if you're talking about the stock rom's well documented vulnerability, that all Nord2's come loaded with, then yes, they're all vulnerable, but that literally requires the attacker to have your phone in their physical possession; So unless you're planning to physically mail your phone, with your data unwiped, to a malicious party you have nothing to worry about. I don't personally see the vulnerability as much of an issue, as your average joe won't know how to exploit it, and it's been useful to several tinkerers on these forums who've used it to pull a backup of their data off their own phones after a serious bootloop/softbrick scenario happened to them.
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You're assuming it be in the user data. It could be in the firmware. That's where the nastiest rootkits nest. Physical access to the device would make it possible. It also would allow actual chipset swapping as well, ask the DOD, DEA, CIA etc about chipset based backdoors.
I doubt this is the case, but it's a wide, wild world.
It should have been sold as an open box special if that was the case.
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It's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) that there is any malware on your phone from what you have described. If there was, resetting your phone to stock would have removed it anyway.
The steps it would take to develop and preload a perfectly working copy that imitates the stock rom well, whilst having custom code injected would be phenomenal and completely unrealistic. Especially for a phone like the Nord2 with it's rather low userbase and fairly uncommon Mediatek processor.
If you're worried, just boot into recovery, wipe data and reformat, and any odds of spyware/malware on your phone should become about as close to zero as it can get for anyone with a modern smartphone.
Now, if you're talking about the stock rom's well documented vulnerability, that all Nord2's come loaded with, then yes, they're all vulnerable, but that literally requires the attacker to have your phone in their physical possession; So unless you're planning to physically mail your phone, with your data unwiped, to a malicious party you have nothing to worry about. I don't personally see the vulnerability as much of an issue, as your average joe won't know how to exploit it, and it's been useful to several tinkerers on these forums who've used it to pull a backup of their data off their own phones after a serious bootloop/softbrick scenario happened to them.
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Thank you so much for your detailed and thorough answer to my question. I appreciate it.
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You're assuming it be in the user data. It could be in the firmware. That's where the nastiest rootkits nest. Physical access to the device would make it possible. It also would allow actual chipset swapping as well, ask the DOD, DEA, CIA etc about chipset based backdoors.
I doubt this is the case, but it's a wide, wild world.
It should have been sold as an open box special if that was the case.
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I don't have enough experience on this that's why I asked , Is there anything I can do except root the device and lose the warranty in order to check the integrity of my phone system files?
Vangelis kokkinakis said:
I don't have enough experience on this that's why I asked , Is there anything I can do except root the device and lose the warranty in order to check the integrity of my phone system files?
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Return it, don't worry about it or reflash the rom to the same version. Reflashing the rom will purge any rootkit in existence.
It's probably completely harmless, oh wait that's what started all this...
It's not your fault if you weren't sold a factory sealed unit... so there's that. I be irritated too.
This is a description of Android partitions.
Deeper than I ever go... make sure you know or get someone who knows exactly what they've doing if you go down this path.
I do not recommend doing this as a screw up could brick the device.
Really other than returning it I would simply observe it for abnormal behavior.
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But again, the likelihood that any such kit has been developed for a phone like the nord2 is pretty slim. Generally malicious coders, hacktivists, whitehats, and all of those kind of security breaching personas are exponentially more focused on the more popular phones; That means if a phone model has double the users, it's probably dozens of times more likely it would catch the attention of these kind of coders.
While we don't know exact figures for total Nord2 sales; We have a rough estimate; Probably less than 5% than the amount of Iphones and Samsungs sold. Definitely even less than the amount of Oneplus 9's sold. So taking the exponential probability graph backwards, the chance of anything even remotely close to a "faux stock rom" existing for the Nord 2 is basically negligible. We've barely even had our first couple of custom roms released in the past few weeks, not to mention Oneplus does NOT release the stock rom for the Nord2. So basically, development time to create such a thing for the nord 2 is a waste of time. Why target a few thousand users when you could target millions for the same price/effort?
I would never claim anything has a completely "zero" chance, but as far as non-zero probabilities go, this is about as close as it gets; Assuming you wipe/reformat you should get rid of most nerfarious apps or spyware (probably like 99% gone, the stuff most average joes would have access to like shady apk's and so on), then a reflash should get rid of 99% of the remaining possibilities (rootkits and so on). Anything to survive those would be a pretty fundamental vulnerability that is yet unheard of, and unlikely to exist, nor even be found if it did exist. Especially one that puts your data in any kind of danger.
Just my opinion, so as with all things, take it with a grain of salt.

General Well I cancelled my order….

I am very sad to say it but I have cancelled my order. I just cant justify paying what this phone costs for something that wont even let me use Android Auto and keeps switching Google apps to Oppo even after setting Google apps as default. I will continue to lurk and hope for a day when we see this phone released with a Global version. Thanks to everyone for all your answers and feedback, it is appreciated.
Anyone want to buy an Oppo light Gray case…should be arriving at my door any day now
You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
future3 said:
You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
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It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N.
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Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
future3 said:
Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
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For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
Admiral Oden said:
For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
View attachment 5507839
Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
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I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
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99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
future3 said:
Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
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@future3 got a PM
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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And I thank you for that as well sir!
Hey you guys, nothing this trivial is worth arguing over, we have enough garbage to deal with nowadays to not get pissed over this. I appreciate everyone's help and feedback for and against. I am just looking for everyone's honest opinion and I always get that here without question. As I have stated previously I have messed around with phones since the original Mi Mix but I am passed the stage of wanting to do that anymore, I just want my phone to work...who knows, global version maybe or late news is looking like maybe the Google Pipet might be Find N like so we will see. Ideally that would be perfect...a Google foldable in the flavor of the Find N with pure Android...yes please
Thanks again to everyone!
You have made a great choice. Great hardware, poor software with way too many irritations. I sold mine 2 days after getting it.
Good luck to those jumping off; but I've been using the Find N a week now, and very happy with it (Fold is going on sale shortly). It's just an all around better package with better trade offs (for me) than my Fold. Every phone has trade offs, and it is true there are some things that might not work yet (Android Auto) and some that are annoying (aggressive battery); but with the Fold the form factor is just not quite right (for me), and it always felt like a folded in half iPad Mini which doesn't fit comfortably in the pocket; where the outer screen is too tall and the keyboard too narrow such that the outer screen isn't very usable; and then the weight in the hand is unwieldy due to the length. I can understand if there are deal breakers for some (such as for those where Android Auto is a must have), but so far there aren't any for me.
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What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
Tahot said:
What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
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No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
conceptgate said:
No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
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Haha got it! enjoy it
All Samsung Fold's are even not close to this phone's build quality, if this phone came with global version than for the moment no any fold can be a competitor.

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