Greetings. My name is Vangelis. I ordered a Nord 2 from a reseller in Europe.
When the phone arrived it was perfect not a single scratch. But when I open the phone for the first time it booted to the android menu with the Czech language preinstalled. I know it should be open with the default setup. I immediately reset the phone to default and followed the setup guide. I also check the IMEI code with Oneplus and the phone is genuine.IMEI at the box and on the phone are the same. On The box, the manufacturing date is 25/11/2021. Code ##786# doesnt work to track RTN neither *#*#786#*#*. I said to myself that maybe the reseller in Europe opened it to see if it working and close it again somehow or it's refurbished and they sell it as new. The charger, cable, and all the things in the box were placed perfectly. The phone is working just fine as I can see. The phone was not updated and I updated it before I wipe it ( wipe all data from pressing down and power button). Now it's DN2103_11_A.14 but on the main screen of About phone writes OxygenOs Version V11.3.I checked an app called root checker and my phone is not rooted.
I just wonder with the Root vulnerability you guys in XDA discovered ( thumps up for that ) in the worst-case scenario let's imagine someone had physical access to a computer before they send me the phone is my data in danger? What do you suggest I do? Many thanks.
I would not bother, if your phone is rooted you'll see it as soon as you turn on the phone
You get a message saying your bootloader can not be trusted
Why are you worried about an imaginary situation which can steal your kind of data ? Anyway all android or windows platform have hidden/secret backdoor , Google track your browsing , movements , phone utilization , WhatsApp or Telegram despite encrypted conversation can be track by nations intelligence services , China is worst for this point of view . Nothing is concrete safe today ... All have vulnerabilities which can be exploited and for that exist month or less provided updates from manufacturers
Your phone seems to be usable and safe as all can be so don't trouble anymore .
muppetz said:
Why are you worried about an imaginary situation which can steal your kind of data ? Anyway all android or windows platform have hidden/secret backdoor , Google track your browsing , movements , phone utilization , WhatsApp or Telegram despite encrypted conversation can be track by nations intelligence services , China is worst for this point of view . Nothing is concrete safe today ... All have vulnerabilities which can be exploited and for that exist month or less provided updates from manufacturers
Your phone seems to be usable and safe as all can be so don't trouble anymore .
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Is it not normal to worry if my phone has been opened before they send it to me? I know about google, government, Facebook, etc its a whole different discussion from a possible hack or the phone instead of new is refurbished.
ok , you're right
Vangelis kokkinakis said:
Is it not normal to worry if my phone has been opened before they send it to me? I know about google, government, Facebook, etc its a whole different discussion from a possible hack or the phone instead of new is refurbished.
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Yes. When people buy a new phone many want it to be factory sealed. Retailers know this.
Not so much for fear of implanted rootkits etc as the concern some schmuck had their grubby hands on it.
You paid the big bucks to get a new phone, it should be factory sealed.
Is it a deal killer if the phone is mint and the price is right? Probably not, but it's your call.
It's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) that there is any malware on your phone from what you have described. If there was, resetting your phone to stock would have removed it anyway.
The steps it would take to develop and preload a perfectly working copy that imitates the stock rom well, whilst having custom code injected would be phenomenal and completely unrealistic. Especially for a phone like the Nord2 with it's rather low userbase and fairly uncommon Mediatek processor.
If you're worried, just boot into recovery, wipe data and reformat, and any odds of spyware/malware on your phone should become about as close to zero as it can get for anyone with a modern smartphone.
Now, if you're talking about the stock rom's well documented vulnerability, that all Nord2's come loaded with, then yes, they're all vulnerable, but that literally requires the attacker to have your phone in their physical possession; So unless you're planning to physically mail your phone, with your data unwiped, to a malicious party you have nothing to worry about. I don't personally see the vulnerability as much of an issue, as your average joe won't know how to exploit it, and it's been useful to several tinkerers on these forums who've used it to pull a backup of their data off their own phones after a serious bootloop/softbrick scenario happened to them.
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It's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) that there is any malware on your phone from what you have described. If there was, resetting your phone to stock would have removed it anyway.
The steps it would take to develop and preload a perfectly working copy that imitates the stock rom well, whilst having custom code injected would be phenomenal and completely unrealistic. Especially for a phone like the Nord2 with it's rather low userbase and fairly uncommon Mediatek processor.
If you're worried, just boot into recovery, wipe data and reformat, and any odds of spyware/malware on your phone should become about as close to zero as it can get for anyone with a modern smartphone.
Now, if you're talking about the stock rom's well documented vulnerability, that all Nord2's come loaded with, then yes, they're all vulnerable, but that literally requires the attacker to have your phone in their physical possession; So unless you're planning to physically mail your phone, with your data unwiped, to a malicious party you have nothing to worry about. I don't personally see the vulnerability as much of an issue, as your average joe won't know how to exploit it, and it's been useful to several tinkerers on these forums who've used it to pull a backup of their data off their own phones after a serious bootloop/softbrick scenario happened to them.
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You're assuming it be in the user data. It could be in the firmware. That's where the nastiest rootkits nest. Physical access to the device would make it possible. It also would allow actual chipset swapping as well, ask the DOD, DEA, CIA etc about chipset based backdoors.
I doubt this is the case, but it's a wide, wild world.
It should have been sold as an open box special if that was the case.
Zombnombs said:
It's extremely unlikely (nigh impossible) that there is any malware on your phone from what you have described. If there was, resetting your phone to stock would have removed it anyway.
The steps it would take to develop and preload a perfectly working copy that imitates the stock rom well, whilst having custom code injected would be phenomenal and completely unrealistic. Especially for a phone like the Nord2 with it's rather low userbase and fairly uncommon Mediatek processor.
If you're worried, just boot into recovery, wipe data and reformat, and any odds of spyware/malware on your phone should become about as close to zero as it can get for anyone with a modern smartphone.
Now, if you're talking about the stock rom's well documented vulnerability, that all Nord2's come loaded with, then yes, they're all vulnerable, but that literally requires the attacker to have your phone in their physical possession; So unless you're planning to physically mail your phone, with your data unwiped, to a malicious party you have nothing to worry about. I don't personally see the vulnerability as much of an issue, as your average joe won't know how to exploit it, and it's been useful to several tinkerers on these forums who've used it to pull a backup of their data off their own phones after a serious bootloop/softbrick scenario happened to them.
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Thank you so much for your detailed and thorough answer to my question. I appreciate it.
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You're assuming it be in the user data. It could be in the firmware. That's where the nastiest rootkits nest. Physical access to the device would make it possible. It also would allow actual chipset swapping as well, ask the DOD, DEA, CIA etc about chipset based backdoors.
I doubt this is the case, but it's a wide, wild world.
It should have been sold as an open box special if that was the case.
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I don't have enough experience on this that's why I asked , Is there anything I can do except root the device and lose the warranty in order to check the integrity of my phone system files?
Vangelis kokkinakis said:
I don't have enough experience on this that's why I asked , Is there anything I can do except root the device and lose the warranty in order to check the integrity of my phone system files?
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Return it, don't worry about it or reflash the rom to the same version. Reflashing the rom will purge any rootkit in existence.
It's probably completely harmless, oh wait that's what started all this...
It's not your fault if you weren't sold a factory sealed unit... so there's that. I be irritated too.
This is a description of Android partitions.
Deeper than I ever go... make sure you know or get someone who knows exactly what they've doing if you go down this path.
I do not recommend doing this as a screw up could brick the device.
Really other than returning it I would simply observe it for abnormal behavior.
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But again, the likelihood that any such kit has been developed for a phone like the nord2 is pretty slim. Generally malicious coders, hacktivists, whitehats, and all of those kind of security breaching personas are exponentially more focused on the more popular phones; That means if a phone model has double the users, it's probably dozens of times more likely it would catch the attention of these kind of coders.
While we don't know exact figures for total Nord2 sales; We have a rough estimate; Probably less than 5% than the amount of Iphones and Samsungs sold. Definitely even less than the amount of Oneplus 9's sold. So taking the exponential probability graph backwards, the chance of anything even remotely close to a "faux stock rom" existing for the Nord 2 is basically negligible. We've barely even had our first couple of custom roms released in the past few weeks, not to mention Oneplus does NOT release the stock rom for the Nord2. So basically, development time to create such a thing for the nord 2 is a waste of time. Why target a few thousand users when you could target millions for the same price/effort?
I would never claim anything has a completely "zero" chance, but as far as non-zero probabilities go, this is about as close as it gets; Assuming you wipe/reformat you should get rid of most nerfarious apps or spyware (probably like 99% gone, the stuff most average joes would have access to like shady apk's and so on), then a reflash should get rid of 99% of the remaining possibilities (rootkits and so on). Anything to survive those would be a pretty fundamental vulnerability that is yet unheard of, and unlikely to exist, nor even be found if it did exist. Especially one that puts your data in any kind of danger.
Just my opinion, so as with all things, take it with a grain of salt.
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Hello e3d general, I dont usually post over here but am looking for a poll from everyone. My question is, were you aware of the following services running on your phone before the news in the past weeks?
**PICTURE UPDATED*** 9/8 - adding in /system/bin/debuggered to tell htc, adding locations to show how logging cannot be shut off
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From what we have found so far It appears we have all agreed to these services:
Cannot be disabled without root/lots of dev work
HTC checkin - Recovery logs, kernel logs, apps used and how apps are used, mobile data usage to HTC. Seems unrelated to Tell HTC (i had this "opted out", and verified checkin was still running by getting a 200 in checkin.db/firstTimeCheckinSuccess file)
CIQ - Looks like its possible to log everything about phone, battery events, kernel messages, GPS location, data usage, media usage, MEID, etc. Most likely goes to sprint.
Google Checkin- Kernel logs/crashes/etc sent out to google
Have a user accessible/on off: (BUT STILL RUN IF YOU CHOOSE OFF)
Tell HTC - sends app crash events to HTC
HTCLoggers - polls battery events even though logging is disabled in hidden ui
For all the geeky details, you can read my post in Dev here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1247108
My problem is having 0 details on any of these. If they need to log and that is their policy, FINE, just dont stick it 5 menus deep. I have used HTC phones forever and was not aware of this until i stumbled on it. The answer they gave to XDA news made it sound like we could opt out of anything, but that is not the case. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htcs-statement-regarding-ciq-data-collection/
"HTC is committed to protecting your privacy and that means a commitment to clear opt-in/opt-out as the standard for collecting any information we need to serve you better."
If this is the case, where are all the off switches for these services? I have already shown a few times there are no way to stop this logging from happening. The only things
-Tell HTC SORT OF disables, even if you "opt out" you still get bugged. Logs are still wasting disk space/ io/resources. Service is in ramdisk
- Htc Loggers from hidden menu ui shows everything off, but logcat says otherwise. Service is running in ramdisk collecting logs anyway it cant be stopped.
The only way to know about them is by going to menu -> settings -> about phone -> legal info -> htc legal
Under section 2->A You can see clearly they collect "unique identification numbers", usage statistics, it "may" send Cell ID/GPS.
If HTC is reading this, if we can truly opt out I want to COMPLETELY disable these services from using my CPU/Memory/IO WITHOUT needing root:
-CIQ
-HTC Checkin
-Google Checkin
-HTCLoggers
-Tell HTC (COMPLETLY, dont keep asking to send even though i say NO)
-Dropbox / UserbehaviorLogging / HTC Usage Stats / UsageStats Dependant Services
No I wasn't, and it offends my sensibilities to no end. I am very appreciative of your research in this area. I am interested to see the path this takes. I have been using HTC devices almost exclusively for about five years, and this type of encroachment without prior consent from the user is crossing a line. Question is, is that line a legal line? It is a moral line for sure.
Thanks for all the time you are spending on this.
I was not aware of logging until reading your thread in Dev. Never would have had a clue. Thanks for all your work on this and hopefully we will see a clear opt in/opt out option someday.
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Yes, I work with syslogs on a daily basis, so I wasn't too terribly concerned. However, your research into the extent to which the logging is done goes way beyond my worst nightmares.
I feel like a network admin who isn't trusted by my employer and being secretly spied upon by an outside watchdog.
I agree… there needs to be an option to really disable it completely.
I will say that I do believe this is how they are able to fix bugs and other software problems so quickly. Otherwise we would have no software support from their end.
For me, I would personally like to have the option to disable it entirely and let the average unrooted comsumer soccer mom be their little data guinea pig.
Just my two cents, I agree with you entirely.
And they wonder why there's people like us who install ROMs completely different than what they provide. Burns me up seeing crap like this.
never knew that til this thread. thanks
TrevE said:
Hello e3d general, I dont usually post over here but am looking for a poll from everyone. My question is, were you aware of the following services running on your phone before the news in the past weeks?
From what we have found so far It appears we have all agreed to these services:
Cannot be disabled without root/lots of dev work
HTC checkin - Recovery logs, kernel logs, apps used and how apps are used, mobile data usage to HTC. Seems unrelated to Tell HTC (i had this disabled, and verified checkin was still running)
CIQ - Looks like its possible to log everything about phone, battery events, kernel messages, GPS location, data usage, media usage, MEID, etc. Most likely goes to sprint.
Google Checkin- Kernel logs/crashes/etc sent out to google
Have a user accessible/on off:
Tell HTC - sends app crash events to HTC
HTCLoggers - polls battery events even though logging is disabled in hidden ui
For all the geeky details, you can read my post in Dev here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1247108
My problem is having 0 details on any of these. If they need to log and that is their policy, FINE, just dont stick it 5 menus deep. I have used HTC phones forever and was not aware of this until i stumbled on it. The answer they gave to XDA news made it sound like we could opt out of anything, but that is not the case. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htcs-statement-regarding-ciq-data-collection/
"HTC is committed to protecting your privacy and that means a commitment to clear opt-in/opt-out as the standard for collecting any information we need to serve you better."
If this is the case, where are all the off switches for these services? I have already shown a few times there are none except for Tell HTC/ POSSIBLY Htc Loggers.
The only way to know about them is by going to menu -> settings -> about phone -> legal info -> htc legal
Under section 2->A You can see clearly they collect "unique identification numbers", usage statistics, it "may" send Cell ID/GPS.
If HTC is reading this, if we can truly opt out I want to COMPLETELY disable these services from using my CPU/Memory/IO WITHOUT needing root:
-CIQ
-HTC Checkin
-Google Checkin
-HTCLoggers
-Tell HTC (COMPLETLY, dont keep asking to send even though i say NO)
-Dropbox / UserbehaviorLogging / HTC Usage Stats / UsageStats Dependant Services
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i didnt know about any logging until i saw your research and pulled logs off of my own phone
THANKS TREVOR!!
not the slightest clue. . .
Yes, the CIQ crap was discussed when the Evo came out and it was discussed in the Evo Shift forums for awhile.
Earliest thread discussing the IQFD process was Aug 2010 but no real action was taken.
So knowing it was on the previous ones, I'd already assumed it was on the 3d.
I am not surprised that there is logging. In fact I would be shocked if there weren't. Also, if that chart is 100% accurate some of those I actually am fine with (Google Checkin and HTCfeedback.apk specifically), but when I heard about cIQ I was incensed...to hear about all of this going on is absolutely fncking unfuriating.
Scummy. Truly. The new e-economy is obviously based on tracking you and your habits. The collecting of this data isn't the evil part but what is likely happening with it afterwards....and there is absolutely no transparency about this process even occurring. It would take a Judgement Day level act of God to reveal what they would like to do with this information...your information.
Well, as much as I hate this kind of hidden intrusion into our personal lives, I must say that its not surprising that this happens, and, frankly, all of our "online" behavior is probably tracked by someone, no matter what they "disclose" in advance..
Remember, we live in the post 9/11 era, and, it seems like being watched in some way shape or form is much more commonplace and "justifiable" than it was 10-20 years ago..
Sad state of affairs....
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Well, as much as I hate this kind of hidden intrusion into our personal lives, I must say that its not surprising that this happens, and, frankly, all of our "online" behavior is probably tracked by someone, no matter what they "disclose" in advance..
Remember, we live in the post 9/11 era, and, it seems like being watched in some way shape or form is much more commonplace and "justifiable" than it was 10-20 years ago..
Sad state of affairs....
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It was happening already and it was going to happen more. That load of horse-**** about "living in a post 9/11 world" is just a very convenient weapon to wield. It is sickening that it works so effectively on people. Appeal to their emotions. You might as well, their intellect is broken anyway.
...color me jaded, we're in the minority bro...
Yea I had no clue until I read your thread.
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It was happening already and it was going to happen more. That load of horse-**** about "living in a post 9/11 world" is just a very convenient weapon to wield. It is sickening that it works so effectively on people. Appeal to their emotions. You might as well, their intellect is broken anyway.
...color me jaded, we're in the minority bro...
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agree completely, bro..kinda ironic this stuff is coming to light right now though..
You know, it would be one thing if we could opt-out, and that would put an end to the services. But HTC themselves stated," if you opt-out, we will protect your data by encrypting it (something close to that). What that tells me is that even if we opt-out, they will still collect our data. So what good is an OFF switch if their still going to collect our data? I want it to be like if we opt-out, the services no longer run! I'm NOT okay with my data being collected. As it stands right now, they collect it whether we like it (opt-in opt-out) or not!
My vote stands by Trev!!
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I was not aware and thank you. I remember on the synergy thread about calculator had it also..wtf!! My next question is why do they need this level of detail? Raises my blood pressure just thinking about it. Thank you again.
From what ive seen so far, the people who DID know about logging, knew about it from a source outside of HTC. We are a pretty technical savvy group here and still alot didnt even know. I hope HTC will make it clear to us with a real on/off switch, give us details / show us data that comes from this, but thats never going to happen
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I was not aware and thank you. I remember on the synergy thread about calculator had it also..wtf!! My next question is why do they need this level of detail? Raises my blood pressure just thinking about it. Thank you again.
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Every single bit of information they can collect on you (anonymous or not) is valuable to a company for a number of reasons. On the technical side troubleshooting and debugging. UI design likely as well. For marketing it's helpful to know what apps you love and what apps you avoid. When you use certain apps, how long you use apps...all of that is very valuable to them for their future attempts at separating you from your money.
...and then if there is non-anonymized data the value of said data skyrockets. Sure, if it is anonymous they can still tie it together with a few details and figure out who you are...but with an actual name voluntarily attached to the data it is now insanely valuable. Location data. They can tell when you are at the store, sell that data to other companies and aggregate that data. You use your debit card at the store, your bank sells that data and it gets aggregated with the other data. Use your grocery store value-card? They sell your data. Now there is a profile out there that details what you buy, at what location, the route you travel to get there, how you pay, any apps you used in the process, calls you've taken. This is a very valuable bit of marketing data...and it is also a shocking assault on your privacy.
I'm not a tin-foil hatter. This is happening. Already. Right now. On your phone, on your computer, on facebook, on google, probably even on XDA. The "like button" follows you around the internet, clicks are logged, how much time you spend on a page is logged, where you go on the internet, when, for how long, what you spend, where you get gas, the kind of car you drive, how often you get oil changes, the kind of porn you prefer, etc etc etc etc etc.
It's all out there. Already. Has been for years. Google has been very good in this regard. Facebook sells your information to advertisers...Google only sells your eyes. But Google+ demands real names...GoogleWallet is another scary proposition.
Am I being paranoid? No. This is all documented fact. Does this mean the end of the world? Mostly no, it's for harmless marketing. Does this mean it is totally harmless? Absolutely not, just wait for all of this data to fall into the wrong hands and you decide that for yourself...if you think drug tests and credit/background checks are ridiculous for getting employment, insurance, housing or credit just wait until every word you've ever said online, every product you've ever purchased, every website you've ever visited and every type of porn you've ever cranked one off to becomes a part of that....and then one day your medical history will inevitably become linked and then some true evil is let out of the bag...some things in your life should never know about other things in your life, especially your bank, insurance company, medical insurer and employer....there just aren't enough checks-and-balances remaining to keep things from being unfair if we hit that point.
I'm back! And thanks for your diligence on this stuff Trevor. I know you've worked tirelessly on this. Your efforts are outstanding.
I for one will NEVER purchase another HTC device simply because of this nonsense. who does HTC think they are? Apple? lol
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Read the article.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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Well that obviously depends on your usage - I rarely get crashes or FCs.
iOS doesn't pop up an error message, so you notice it less
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Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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iOS is written so that no error message is given when something crashes. This is pure dishonesty in my book. To regular people like yourself, no error message means everything is OK.
The following article explained how they came to the conclusion.
http://www.redmondpie.com/study-reveals-that-ios-apps-crash-more-frequently-than-android/
It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
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It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
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It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
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It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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Actually there has been malware on ios market despite its review process. And you don't need av on android if you use market, av can't stop a malware app before it gets on your phone so they are not much use.
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alex2792 said:
Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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iOS and Macs both get malware and virus's despite people saying they're immune or they don't get any. Neither Android nor iOS has any real issue with malware, but Android offers more "virus checking" apps and other similar apps than iOS for sure.
I think it's pretty lame on Apple's part to not display the error messages, pretty much tricking users into thinking everything is ok and it was just a random glitch and not an actual app crash.
Apple does censor in the respect that they do not approve many apps if they do not fit in with their guidelines, which are tough, and for some certain types of apps it makes it impossible to publish even if they're amazing and useful apps.
And yea I can see why many app developers would go to iOS before android.
Because you code 1 thing and it gets pushed out to the most people. Android you have to code 1 thing, then code it again for every device with different hardware or version of the OS.
I'm actually surprised, it would seem Android would have more FCs caused by poorly developed apps or compatibility errors that allow a program to be installed on a non-compatibile device. Not that this is common, but it usually happens with new games. iOS developers can easily test every compatible device, but it would be nearly impossible for Android devs to do the same.
The whole Android virus thing has been blown way out of proportion. Common sense is always the best A/V. Most people get these viruses from downloading warez or risky looking apps in the market. But Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
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Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
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Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
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In my use I would say this is even. Ios used to crash less but ios 5 has been a total disaster in my opinion, and crashes and lags have increased dramatically ( company phone, i would never pay for a ios device again). They totally try to hide the crashes by not giving you notice.
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ios just for iphone,with same hardware,so all apps in their store are really compatible,but android isnt just for one devices,it is in many different devices from different company with different hardware,so not easy to tell the compatibility..
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Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
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It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
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It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
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Thanks. That's a very interesting read
Dave
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I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
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I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
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no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
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no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
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So you prefer a phone that needs to have its warranty voided instead of something that works? You must have a lot of free time on your hands since most normal people would rather not waste hours making their phone functional. I don't have a problem with tweaking the phone to improve performance or personalize it if that's your thing, but it shouldn't be a requirement to make the phone work.
so go back to your shoe box. or, do better research on the device you are buying before you pcik it up. The captivate issues were well known and any small degree of research would of led you to that. And none of the issues were software related they were hardware.
I find it hard to believe that you would come to a development forum and be confused that people who frequent it mod their phones and void their waranties.
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Hey there! I’m guessing you've got yourself a shiny new HTC phone, and you've heard about this thing called "rooting" and how it supposedly can let you do all sorts of things that your carrier won't let you do, or something like that. You arrived here a little while ago from Google or by clicking a link in some blog, and you're now nosing around trying to figure out what you're supposed to do.
But stop! Wait! You've skipped over the most important question: Should you even be here in the first place?
This is not a trivial question. Making modifications to the software on your phone is not like getting your car painted or putting on some new rims or a spoiler. It's much more analogous to replacing the fuel injectors, or modifying the intake, or changing the valve timing. If you don't know what you're doing, there's a very real chance you can render your phone permanently inoperative.
This post is not going to explain how to root, unlock, or do anything else to your phone, because there are already several other threads in the Development section about that (and no, I'm not linking to them—way too soon for that). The purpose of this post is to help you determine whether you should do it at all, and if so, what you need to know beforehand.
We're going to start by taking a short quiz.
1. Which is the most accurate assessment of your comfort level with computers and electronics?
a. I keep the Geek Squad on speed-dial.
b. I generally know what I'm doing, but I'm careful not to get in over my head.
c. I'm the guy my friends and family come to when they have computer problems.
2. What is Linux?
a. It's, um, a computer thing.
b. It's the operating system upon which Android is based, but I had to go to Wikipedia to look that up.
c. chmod 004 linuxfordummies.docx
3. How do you feel when your computer or some other gadget isn't working the way you want it to?
a. It's a royal pain in the ass.
b. It's not the end of the world, but I can do without it.
c. It's an opportunity to learn and problem-solve.
4. Which most accurately characterizes your relationship with your smartphone?
a. Um, relationship? It's a phone—I just need it to work.
b. I like to play around with the settings and find interesting apps.
c. I'm not happy unless I've tweaked and customized it enough that I feel it's a good reflection of who I am as a person. Also, this reflection changes by the week.
5. You're in the middle of trying to solve a particularly frustrating problem with your computer when your spouse/significant other announces that s/he wants to have sex. What do you do?
a. Drop everything and seize the booty.
b. Curse your computer under your breath and head for the bedroom.
c. Reply, "Sorry, honey, can you give me ten more minutes?"
Give yourself 3 points for each "c" answer, 1 point for each "b", and subtract 3 points for each "a". Then total up your score and check the chart below:
13-15: Welcome, brother! You may proceed.
11-12: You'll probably be all right, but be careful. You may be setting yourself up for more frustration than all this is really worth.
10 or less:
Stop now, head over to Android Forums, and don't look back. Trust me, you'll be much better off in the long run.
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Still here?
Okay. Just because you're coming in with the right attitude and background doesn't mean you aren't still going to get yourself in serious trouble. Before going any further, there are several rules you must commit to memory.
1. Do Not Make Any Changes to Your Phone Until You Have a Good Understanding of What You're Doing
You wouldn't go under the hood of your car and start rewiring things and rerouting hoses based on some vague understanding of something you read on the Internet, right? You shouldn't do the same thing to your phone.
This is the reason that “One-Click” and “All-in-One” solutions should be scrupulously avoided, no matter how attractive they may be to you at the moment.
I cannot stress this too much. Using these tools allows you to skip over important learning processes and avoid learning things you really need to know. They make it much easier for you to get into a situation you have no clue how to get out of (and we’ll come back to that below). You’re better off in the long run skipping the one-click tools and taking the time to learn how to do things manually. Basically, you pay cash now, or pay later with interest.
At a minimum, before you do anything, you should be able to explain these three concepts:
-What root access means
-What you're changing when you unlock your bootloader
-What you're replacing when you flash a custom ROM or kernel
How do you find all this out? That's the next point.
2. Become Your Own Expert
You're probably feeling pretty intimidated right now looking at all these discussions throwing around terms, abbreviations, and acronyms that make no sense to you. That's normal—in fact, it's a good sign. If you're not intimidated, you should probably leave now, because you're lacking the sense of caution that will keep you out of trouble.
You're naturally going to be drawn to people who appear to know what they're doing. Be very careful about this. Some do know what they're doing, and some only think they do. The problem is that it can be very hard to tell them apart. That's why the worst thing you can do is go into a thread and start asking, "What am I supposed to do here?" before you know enough to be able to weigh the answers you get.
You may get help from someone who knows the answer you're seeking, and you may find someone who's just a recent noob feeling flush with a little new-found expertise. Or, worst of all, you may have the bad luck to run into someone who enjoys tricking noobs into bricking their phones. These folks are thankfully rare, but they do exist.
Ultimately, you've got to do your own learning, not piggyback on someone else's. That leads to our next rule.
3. Google is Your Friend
Yeah, I know, it's a cliché. But it's a cliché because it's true.
Your experiences are not new. Your questions, almost certainly, have been answered before (and in the case of most noob questions, hundreds or thousands of times before). You should start by reading the threads here, but every time you come across a concept or term you're not familiar with, flip to another window and Google it. "How to X" and "What does X mean" are your two most powerful tools. Use them often. (If you're not proficient enough with Google to manage this, you've got no business modding your phone anyway.) Bit by bit, you'll start to feel less lost and start developing the context to understand what people are talking about.
But didn't I just say not to trust what people tell you?
Yes. However:
4. Trust the Hivemind
That rule applies individually, not collectively. In fact, gauging collective experiences is an excellent way to see what's what. When a new exploit, ROM, or mod gets posted, there is invariably a flow of responses as people try it out. Pay close attention to these discussions before you do anything.
There are almost always a few bugs and updates to anything new. That alone shouldn't deter you too much. But it's best to wait until you start seeing people posting praise, thanks, and confirmation that their phones are working well before you dip your feet in the water.
But you're still not there yet. Just because other people are having success doesn’t mean you will.
5. Don't Do Anything to Your Phone That You Don't Know How to Undo
Who are all these people rushing to act as guinea pigs? By and large (there are exceptions), these are experienced modders who know how to get themselves out of any trouble they get into. In general, if you know what you're doing, you can take your phone back to stock without too much effort. But reverting some of these changes often depends on doing things in the right order, making backups before you start, and so on.
All of us were noobs once, and most of the people here are willing to help out new users with the right attitude. But few things are more frustrating than someone who jumps on a new mod or rom, and then posts, "That didn't work, I think I’m bricked, OMG what do I do??"
You need to figure that stuff out beforehand.
Also, it's worth pointing out that everyone makes mistakes. You're going to make a mistake at some point, probably several. Proper planning and preparation will minimize the fallout when you do.
But—there is another "but" here, and it’s a big one.
6. You May Kill Your Phone
Modding your phone carries a certain risk. Phones get permanently bricked around here on a regular basis, especially when new mods and tools get released. No matter what you do, no matter what precautions you take, there is a possibility you may render your phone permanently unusable, with nothing left to do but return it and hope you can get a replacement (and hope your carrier won't realize what you did).
This risk applies to everyone. Even experienced devs have been known to brick phones because they forgot a critical step to some routine process.
If you're not comfortable taking that risk, or you can't afford to deal with the consequences, you need to leave. Period. You've been warned. You'll get sympathy (unless you did something stupid and won't own up to it), but don't expect anyone to reimburse you, least of all the dev who posted the tool you were trying to use. It won't happen, and asking will just get you a lot of derision.
Got all that? Good luck, and happy modding.
I will be linking this post FREQUENTLY.
hehe - nice writeup!
I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
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I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
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great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
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great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
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Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
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Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
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what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
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what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
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I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
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I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
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Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
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Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
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I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
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I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
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Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
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Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
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I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
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I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
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One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
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One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
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I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
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I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
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well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
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well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
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Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
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Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
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Yeah I guess i gone away from the topic. But whenever the topic comes of following GPL companies dodge the question. And most of INdian companies just "nvm" thinking. And for rooting there is nothing like jail here... Things are changing here as people are getting conscious about what are laws and what companies main motive behind hiding like GPL. Well like in america people and devs community slams the companies for not putting sources online.
I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
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I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
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As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
RebelO7 said:
As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
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Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
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Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
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It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
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It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
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It's really that simple? Just a slightly colorful version of the stock lockscreen?
So beyond that, it's basically just AOSP versions of the other apps, I assume.
Pretty disappointing now that you bring that up. Seemed like it would be more intriguing than that.
I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc. Some people feel these phones have been developed to be on all the time and really don’t need to be restarted at all. These same individuals feel that it uses more battery to do these restarts so that will hurt the phone because it will decrease the number of limited battery cycles that one has. However, other people feel you should be restarting your phone to improve battery life as well as performance. Some suggest when you receive your security update, approximately monthly. Some suggest weekly, twice a week, daily. I’ve even heard others that say if you use 40-50% straight you should be restarting your phone. With regards to the last scenario, those individuals have said they restart as much as 3 times a day. Some believe you should shut down when you charge and do it nightly when they charge their phones. For me that won’t work because I charge my phone in the morning while I’m eating breakfast, showering and getting ready. I think it would be great to find out from someone who knows what is the best way to take care of our phones as opposed to the manufacturers who obviously want our phones to eventually die so we have to buy new ones. I enjoy my Note 8 and can’t foresee myself getting a new phone until at the earliest probably the Note 10. Only because everything I read/watch discuss that could be a very special phone, but there’s obviously a good possibility that it won’t happen. While Apple definitely changed their phone with the iPhone X, I was expecting a lot more. Luckily for them I’m not their customer. At least, not yet but their OS would have to change dramatically as well as they would need to create something that could compete with the S Pen. I highly doubt I would ever become their customer, but I’m digressing. Even though I didn’t spend that much for my Note 8 on preorder, but it’s obvious that the prices are going up. If that keeps happening and they don’t offer as much on their sales, promos, deals, trade ins, etc., we as consumers in general will probably be trying to hold on to our phones as long as possible. While in my opinion there is still one huge issue regarding the OS in the fact that the phones that are released are optimized for the current version of the OS that is out. So with that in mind eventually updating your phones to a particular OS could be detrimental and the manufacturers may force us to upgrade. So as long as we keep our devices healthy by practicing certain habits. One would be to make sure we don’t always jump at the new OS unless we know that it would agree with our current phone that we are using. The other habits include charging as well as restarting our devices. I’m sure there are even others. But this is what prompted me to create this thread. I would greatly like us as consumers to come up with a list of good habits to come up with to keep our phones healthy which would prolong their lifetimes. I mentioned that I was interested in knowing how often people restart their phones and that is what primarily I’m looking for, but I still think it would be great to use this to go over any items that anyone thinks could be beneficial for us. This way we can decided when we want to upgrade as opposed to being forced into upgrading. I hope this makes sense to everyone and I value everyone’s opinions. I’m looking forward to hearing what everyone’s thoughts are. Thanks in advance for everyone’s participation.
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I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc...
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And now you want to hear even more opinions in general to this question ?
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sll1313 said:
I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc. Some people feel these phones have been developed to be on all the time and really don’t need to be restarted at all. These same individuals feel that it uses more battery to do these restarts so that will hurt the phone because it will decrease the number of limited battery cycles that one has. However, other people feel you should be restarting your phone to improve battery life as well as performance. Some suggest when you receive your security update, approximately monthly. Some suggest weekly, twice a week, daily. I’ve even heard others that say if you use 40-50% straight you should be restarting your phone. With regards to the last scenario, those individuals have said they restart as much as 3 times a day. Some believe you should shut down when you charge and do it nightly when they charge their phones. For me that won’t work because I charge my phone in the morning while I’m eating breakfast, showering and getting ready. I think it would be great to find out from someone who knows what is the best way to take care of our phones as opposed to the manufacturers who obviously want our phones to eventually die so we have to buy new ones. I enjoy my Note 8 and can’t foresee myself getting a new phone until at the earliest probably the Note 10. Only because everything I read/watch discuss that could be a very special phone, but there’s obviously a good possibility that it won’t happen. While Apple definitely changed their phone with the iPhone X, I was expecting a lot more. Luckily for them I’m not their customer. At least, not yet but their OS would have to change dramatically as well as they would need to create something that could compete with the S Pen. I highly doubt I would ever become their customer, but I’m digressing. Even though I didn’t spend that much for my Note 8 on preorder, but it’s obvious that the prices are going up. If that keeps happening and they don’t offer as much on their sales, promos, deals, trade ins, etc., we as consumers in general will probably be trying to hold on to our phones as long as possible. While in my opinion there is still one huge issue regarding the OS in the fact that the phones that are released are optimized for the current version of the OS that is out. So with that in mind eventually updating your phones to a particular OS could be detrimental and the manufacturers may force us to upgrade. So as long as we keep our devices healthy by practicing certain habits. One would be to make sure we don’t always jump at the new OS unless we know that it would agree with our current phone that we are using. The other habits include charging as well as restarting our devices. I’m sure there are even others. But this is what prompted me to create this thread. I would greatly like us as consumers to come up with a list of good habits to come up with to keep our phones healthy which would prolong their lifetimes. I mentioned that I was interested in knowing how often people restart their phones and that is what primarily I’m looking for, but I still think it would be great to use this to go over any items that anyone thinks could be beneficial for us. This way we can decided when we want to upgrade as opposed to being forced into upgrading. I hope this makes sense to everyone and I value everyone’s opinions. I’m looking forward to hearing what everyone’s thoughts are. Thanks in advance for everyone’s participation.
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The Samsung+ App even recommends restarting after a certain number of days and will send a notification. Restarting the phone has nothing to do with battery cycles. For a lithium ion battery 1 cycle is how many times its charged to 100% that would be like 2 50% charges or 4 25% charges that is what equals a cycle
I never restart unless the battery dies or there is a software update.
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It is always good android ettiquiet to reboot say 1 a day or every couple days to clear old out.
I know android has come a long way in terms of memory management but I still feel daily reboots are good. Plus all the wltweaks and mods most of us do. Require reboots on daily multi times a day anyways....
TheMadScientist said:
It is always good android ettiquiet to reboot say 1 a day or every couple days to clear old out.
I know android has come a long way in terms of memory management but I still feel daily reboots are good. Plus all the wltweaks and mods most of us do. Require reboots on daily multi times a day anyways....
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Yeah, couldn't agree more.
I reboot mine every morning (leaving it plugged overnight to charge). May be just a placebo, but I feel like rebooting 1x a day keeps it fresh.
On the technical side, I assume some processes don't start/ aren't triggered because you don't use everything daily (some apps, functions of the note8 itself)
SaadatM said:
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
I reboot mine every morning (leaving it plugged overnight to charge). May be just a placebo, but I feel like rebooting 1x a day keeps it fresh.
On the technical side, I assume some processes don't start/ aren't triggered because you don't use everything daily (some apps, functions of the note8 itself)
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I've noticed some very prominent screen tearing/lag when using a 3-4+ day uptime OS. After reboot it goes away and doesn't come back until another 3-4 days. so I restart mine like 2x a week now. Mondays and Thursdays. Non-rooted, stock Unlocked US Note8.
I would be glad if my note 8 would run a day without rebooting. [emoji24]
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I have my exynos European ones do the weekly automatic restart and do the occasional one besides that so probably twice a week
I only reboot when I feel the phone is a bit laggy, which is hardly ever, I find that Android does a decent job of managing memory usage and the inbuilt software regularly advises of which apps it's hibernated and put to sleep. I sometimes go weeks or even update to update between reboots. On occasion I've rebooted a few times in a day.
Personally, I don't think there is a right and wrong here, which is why there are so many opinions.
I reboot mine every couple of days. About once a week I clear the cache partition. After every major update I factory reset. I also check daily to ensure my apps are up to date. My phone runs just as good as it did out of the box 6 months ago! I have the least amount of problems with my phones, out of everyone I know. That includes both Android and iPhones.
When I first bought the phone after using smart switch my phone would get extremely hot while I was using it while not charging the phone, it would lag really bad and it felt like the phone was being strangled to death, and I only had the phone for a week after it's release and Samsung customer service was useless and Verizon made me fight them for a month before they sent out a new phone, which had the exact same issues. I later found out that Verizon's CSCfeatures "bloatware/firmware" was causing the problems on the phone so I flashed the unlocked firmware and eventually rooted but that fixed the issues I had.
Now I run 2× as many apps still get better battery life and the phone never heats up. I use substratum themes, I reboot my phone every other day or after updating apps and re-applying the themes I use. If I'm using my phone extremely heavily through the day I reboot 2-3 times. I also go to my apps list in setting and clear cache and force close all the apps at least once a week, I also have my phone auto reboot every Sunday morning as well and my phone runs smooth, fast, and I don't have any problems
reboot is an option on the phone. It can be used to the user's discretion.
Just use your phone and enjoy it. If you constantly overcharge or let the battery run very low it could reduce battery life over time, but otherwise you are just fiddling within the margins... Don't stress about the micro management stuff too much. It's a tool to make our lives easier, it's not a baby
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Just use your phone and enjoy it. If you constantly overcharge or let the battery run very low it could reduce battery life over time, but otherwise you are just fiddling within the margins... Don't stress about the micro management stuff too much. It's a tool to make our lives easier, it's not a baby
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I actually agree with you and that’s exactly how I use to handle to things more or less. I would at least reboot once a week. However, within the last month I started to have issues with Smart Lock, specifically Trusted Places. It worked flawlessly and now it’s not. One of the ways (among others) that I’ll get it to work on a temporary basis (1-2 days) is if I reboot. In quite interesting how many different answers I’ve gotten in this thread, which like 1 person posted is what I’m getting everywhere else. I was hoping for something else. Ironically, one person posted they reboot sometimes when it runs out of power, yet I read that is one of the issues people are complaining about. That if it goes to 0%, they’re not able to get it to boot back up. I’ve never taken the chance because of what I read, but obviously that’s not everyone (based on that 1 person’s post). I’m on Verizon (like at least on of the posts mentioned) and my phone may very infrequently get ever so slightly get very, very minorly warm. It’s actually one of the coolest phones I’ve ever owned. Others I spoke to are not having issues with Trusted Places, like I use too. So this really makes me scratch my head on why there is so much variance. I love the S Pen and honestly because there’s no competition is probably why I haven’t looked elsewhere, especially with how Samsung handled the Note 7 fiasco. In addition, it was my understanding with every article I read is that they were going to make it up to us. I didn’t see that anywhere. In fact, I thought the least they could do was make sure that the original S Note app was pre-installed on the phone. They knew that we as consumers were upset it was missing from the Note 7 (they were supposed to be bringing it back on that phone within a month, but then the battery issue). So you would think they would remember and make sure it was there. Instead if you wanted it you had to side load it. To me that was horrible customer service. I’m digressing. Getting back to the original post, I guess there really isn’t anything that people are doing as a whole. But I guess this would make sense when we are all getting phones that aren’t even uniform to begin with (phones that won’t turn back on after 0% battery, overheating phones, Trusted Places not working, that Samsung lag still experienced by some, etc.). What makes less sense to me is because of the S Pen, Android, and other items, I still feel the Note 8 is still the best device out. As long as I writing this, what’s everyone’s opinion on Oreo? To me it doesn’t see like there really is any specific feature that we really don’t have. IMO, it looks like the only advantage would be if it makes our phones run smoother. I’ve just found a lot of people upset that we haven’t gotten it yet and my opinion is phones are optimized for whatever OS is out at the time and if we’re not careful, upgrading to the wrong OS (whether it’s Android or iOS) may make our phones run worse, potentially a lot worse. Just my opinion. I still would love to get a more uniform answer to my original post, but as long as I’m asking anyone have issues recently with Trusted Places and figure out a permanent fix? Thanks in advance for any help. I’ve been going through a lot of health issues, so I will try and respond when I can.
I reboot when i need to, ends up being in a cycle of about 4/5 days.
I personally would reboot it every 2 days or 1 day. it will do no harm to reboot the device.
Am sure Samsung or google added a option in there somewhere to automatically reboot your device at a set time.
Its similar to your desktop pc, leave running for 45 days and see how slow and clunky it feels.
Restart it and see how fast it feels.
Given the due turning a device off and on, does use it s most power, so if you are running low on juice a restart may not be the best option.
I personally think your reading into it way too much,
If your phone is slow or behaving abit stupidly, restart
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Am sure Samsung or google added a option in there somewhere to automatically reboot your device at a set time.
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Just search "restart" in the settings section. You'll see this screen pop up. You can set a weekly restart whenever you want. You don't even have to think about it after that
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Just search "restart" in the settings section. You'll see this screen pop up. You can set a weekly restart whenever you want. You don't even have to think about it after that
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I appreciate your response, but it doesn’t necessarily answer how often one she restart their phone. However, more specifically to your response, Verizon actually disabled that feature. I understand some of the other ones, but not this one. Except for one possibility, and that would be the fact that is important to reboot. Based on Verizon’s action here, it would seem they are trying to prevent the user from remembering to do these reboots. Obviously they would prefer you to keep buying phones for them to make money. I wasn’t sure how important this was to the carriers because I always thought they just passed the cost off to the consumer until Samsung’s newest phones. Now 3 out of the big 4 carriers all seemed to mark up the cost of the phones, which surprised me. I really thought it would be more important for them to try and keep their customers, but they it looks like they are all trying to convince people to move to T-Mobile.
I had another question that maybe you could help me with. I touched on it slightly before regarding Smart Lock that was working perfectly up until a few weeks ago. Then I started to have problems with a Trusted Places. I just noticed something quite interesting and that when I say to Google Assistant “Where am I” or “Where’s my phone”, I notice the location icon turn on. Now the Trusted Places works for at most for a couple of days again and then I can just repeat it. Well it seems like to me that the Location Services either goes to sleep or shuts itself off. I looked and I don’t have anything set to have this happen. It’s set on. So any suggestions. This has been frustrating me for quite sometime. It’s actually what lead me to this thread because I’m happy with the Note 8 and I really don’t want to see its performance deteriorate. Well this is the only thing negative that’s happened recently. So I’m hoping you have an idea. Thanks for anyone’s help. Like I said, I really appreciate it. It’s probably the only more frustrating than figuring out how to get the original S Note app on the device. Well I finall took care of that, so I really hope that there’s a solution to this. Again sorry for the lengthy post.
sll1313 said:
I have heard so many opinions in general to this question when it comes to the Note 8 specifically as well as all Androids, iPhones, Windows OS, etc. Some people feel these phones have been developed to be on all the time and really don’t need to be restarted at all. These same individuals feel that it uses more battery to do these restarts so that will hurt the phone because it will decrease the number of limited battery cycles that one has. However, other people feel you should be restarting your phone to improve battery life as well as performance. Some suggest when you receive your security update, approximately monthly. Some suggest weekly, twice a week, daily. I’ve even heard others that say if you use 40-50% straight you should be restarting your phone. With regards to the last scenario, those individuals have said they restart as much as 3 times a day. Some believe you should shut down when you charge and do it nightly when they charge their phones. For me that won’t work because I charge my phone in the morning while I’m eating breakfast, showering and getting ready. I think it would be great to find out from someone who knows what is the best way to take care of our phones as opposed to the manufacturers who obviously want our phones to eventually die so we have to buy new ones. I enjoy my Note 8 and can’t foresee myself getting a new phone until at the earliest probably the Note 10. Only because everything I read/watch discuss that could be a very special phone, but there’s obviously a good possibility that it won’t happen. While Apple definitely changed their phone with the iPhone X, I was expecting a lot more. Luckily for them I’m not their customer. At least, not yet but their OS would have to change dramatically as well as they would need to create something that could compete with the S Pen. I highly doubt I would ever become their customer, but I’m digressing. Even though I didn’t spend that much for my Note 8 on preorder, but it’s obvious that the prices are going up. If that keeps happening and they don’t offer as much on their sales, promos, deals, trade ins, etc., we as consumers in general will probably be trying to hold on to our phones as long as possible. While in my opinion there is still one huge issue regarding the OS in the fact that the phones that are released are optimized for the current version of the OS that is out. So with that in mind eventually updating your phones to a particular OS could be detrimental and the manufacturers may force us to upgrade. So as long as we keep our devices healthy by practicing certain habits. One would be to make sure we don’t always jump at the new OS unless we know that it would agree with our current phone that we are using. The other habits include charging as well as restarting our devices. I’m sure there are even others. But this is what prompted me to create this thread. I would greatly like us as consumers to come up with a list of good habits to come up with to keep our phones healthy which would prolong their lifetimes. I mentioned that I was interested in knowing how often people restart their phones and that is what primarily I’m looking for, but I still think it would be great to use this to go over any items that anyone thinks could be beneficial for us. This way we can decided when we want to upgrade as opposed to being forced into upgrading. I hope this makes sense to everyone and I value everyone’s opinions. I’m looking forward to hearing what everyone’s thoughts are. Thanks in advance for everyone’s participation.
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I only reboot it to apply some overlays every now and then so that's once a week I think?
Doesn't make a difference in speed for me. It always feels fast.
I never reboot my computer either except for updates once a month or so.
Doesn't make a difference at all to me