Hi All,
I am enjoying playing around improving the speed of my touchpad. It is now clocked to 1.7Ghz.
Surprisingly my iPad 1 loads web pages considerably quicker than my over-clocked touchpad (BBC.co.uk is a good example).
Given the hardware improvements this is a little surprising.
I have applied the recommended patches, just wondered if anyone out there has managed to tweak their TP so that it can out perform an ipad 1 for loading web pages?
Would be interested to know your thoughts.
Thanks
Dan
The stock browser is well known for being decidedly average.
Have you applied the download-speed patch amongst the others?
Do you have the caching patch applied? That can make a big difference in the browser speed.
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thanks for the response. Been doing some reading and concluded that the webos browser / os just is not optimised for the hardware.
Madness really, A processor that runs almost twice as fast yet cant load BBC.co.uk as quick.
Sort of understand why HP decided to pull out - they have got so much to do to get on par with Apple..
its interesting reading that some say there overclocked TP is as fast as anything out there, i think they are kidding there selves.
Still, I love this new gadget - for £89 I am not moaning.. (but can see why they would never sell at iPad prices)
Thanks
Dan
have pretty much all patches for the browser, but not tried the caching patch. I think there are a couple out there. I will have a play.
Its clear where the performance of this device sits Vs the current competition.... roll on Andriod Port
cheers all
dluik said:
thanks for the response. Been doing some reading and concluded that the webos browser / os just is not optimised for the hardware.
Madness really, A processor that runs almost twice as fast yet cant load BBC.co.uk as quick.
Sort of understand why HP decided to pull out - they have got so much to do to get on par with Apple..
its interesting reading that some say there overclocked TP is as fast as anything out there, i think they are kidding there selves.
Still, I love this new gadget - for £89 I am not moaning.. (but can see why they would never sell at iPad prices)
Thanks
Dan
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At 1.7ghz your Touchpad is running OVER 2x the clockspeed of the original iPad not to mention that it also has double the cores. The original iPad runs at 800mhz single core. I have made a few videos to dispute some people at Precentral that claim the Touchpad's browser is faster than their desktop computer's and other insane claims like that. All of them have my iPad considerably beating the Touchpad, especially on content heavy sites. Also this is with flash off and disabled on the TP and cache cleared on both.
I have the Touchpad and my girlfriend the iPad2.
- Web surfing speed is much faster on the iPad2 even after tweaks enabled on Touchpad.
- Scrolling is smoother on iPad(2).
- Websites are displayed better and more functional on the Touchpad.
- Some JavaScript intensive stuff (like image lightboxes) runs smoother on the Touchpad, almost as smooth like on a computer. I don't know if all JS things run faster on the Touchpad.
In the end I think the iPad(2) has the better surfing experience for most people.
The web application for the Touchpad just seems badly programmed.
It's the whole OS that's slow, not just the browser. Seems the few remaining webOS' engineer's didn't have the motivation to optimize it.
webOS is a great OS. It's just let down by its speed. If they made it open source, the community could improve it no end.
Is the BBC page filled with flash? The iPad may be loading faster since it doesn't have to load the flash
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Is the BBC page filled with flash? The iPad may be loading faster since it doesn't have to load the flash
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Someone (not OP) states above that they tested with Flash disabled and cache cleared, and TP still loses.
I can conform the same - TP with patches/tweaks and overclocked to 1.5 GHz is considerably slower than any Android devices I could compare it to (2 phones, 2 tablets). I am actually considering dumping it because it is SO slow, I just can't use it. Try starting up the 3.0.2 stock calculator - it takes a few seconds for it to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should be lightning fast! When I need to run a couple of easy numbers, it is quicker for me to do it myself than to wait for the TP to start up the calculator app.
If there is no reliable android port that runs FAST, I consider the $150 WASTED.
Hopefully the browser will be on par with the hardware once we get android. Also i know the touchpad has a slow browser, but i herd it has a much better range than the iPad. As in if you brought the iPad to where your out of wifi range, the touchpad will still work, and work almost as quick as when it was in closer range.
Can't test this out though, my touchpad hasn't arrived yet, but it just shipped 2 days ago, so it should be here soon
I haven't done much browsing on my Touchpad, since the browser really annoys me, but the worst example of the slowness that I have found is loading Engadget.com. I can load Engadget.com and then tap on a story and load that on my iPad before the Touchpad can load the Engadget.com main page.
iPad on the left and Touchpad on the right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmUyADNN4w
Here is the Touchpad on the left and the iPad on the right loading Politico.com. The iPad loads the entire page, WITH ADS, before the Touchpad loads a single element without ads. That is pathetic HP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktBtiCImPsE&feature=player_detailpage#t=66s
Forgive the sound in the videos. The Epic4g I used to film is ridiculous at picking up every single sound while taking a video and I had a fan running in the room.
You all (and anyone who owns a Touchpad) needs to install the "disable cache" patch found on precentral.net. It will dramatically improves the browser speed by 40-50%, I'd say. You will need Preware installed to install Internalz pro from Preware. Then Internalz pro will install patch for you. Reboot after patch installs. The most important posts of the thread below are #1, #59 and #85.
here is link to thread.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-tou...8215-disable-weboss-flawed-browser-cache.html
Hopefully this patch or code will be incorporated in the next webOS version.
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You all (and anyone who owns a Touchpad) needs to install the "disable cache" patch found on precentral.net. It will dramatically improves the browser speed by 40-50%, I'd say. You will need Preware installed to install Internalz pro from Preware. Then Internalz pro will install patch for you. Reboot after patch installs. The most important posts of the thread below are #1, #59 and #85.
here is link to thread.
this patch or code will be incorporated in the next webOS version.
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have done this - thanks
sadly ipad1 still comfortably out performs my TP...
thanks Dan
dluik said:
have done this - thanks
sadly ipad1 still comfortably out performs my TP...
thanks Dan
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One being faster than the other is less as important than one being comfortable with the speed itself. Point being, the Touchpad with the "disable cache" patch makes the browsing experience very enjoyable on the Touchpad. My Volvo 850R is not as fast as a Ferrari but its very fast and fun to drive to me. The patch improves the browsing speed greatly and anyone who has a Touchpad will benefit.
-Sent from my HP Touchpad
Glimpse app has a built-in browser that seems faster than the stock one.
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FWIW, I have tried GtabCom, Flashback, and Clemsyn/Calkulin6 recently, and I think I am going to stick with Clem/Calk6 (froyo). Here's what I found, and the order of the comparison topics reflects my priorities:
Boot time: quicker on clem/calk6 - takes about 24s from power button press to lock screen
Responsiveness: snappier on clem/calk6.
Stability (FCs, freeze-ups): better on clem/calk6
Video playback: Tied. Even though froyo has HW acceleration, video playback seems to be about the same for the quality of videos that I watch
Netflix: Tied. Available and working on both
upnp: Tied. Access to content over upnp works on both
Web browsing: Tied. HC has a better shortcut widget but Clem/Calk has a snappier browsing experience.
Apps/games: Tied. Everything I play seems to work on both platforms
Flash web games: Tied. Sites like Kongregate seem to work on both.
Flash video: Tied.
Sexiness: HC. HC is WAY sexier than froyo
Widgets: HC. Related to sexiness. Widgets are way better on HC.
Gmail widget: HC. Have not found a decent gmail widget on Clem/Calk
Location: HC. IP-based location not working on Clem/Calk6
Camera: Froyo. Works on froyo but I don't use it
Overall, I would say that in comparing functionality, froyo and HC are tied. HC is definitely better looking, but for me beauty is only skin deep , and speed and reliability are keeping me on Froyo.
Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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Thanks for posting.
How about battery life? Supposedly Gingerbread fixed a lot of the battery life problems and HC implemented that. Did you do anything with battery life comparision?
mydave1 said:
Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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I'm also on Calkulin+ClemsynCombo v6 (an prefer it)...I get 10 FPS...my Windows PC @ work gets 12FPS.
Al
jhermit said:
Thanks for posting.
How about battery life? Supposedly Gingerbread fixed a lot of the battery life problems and HC implemented that. Did you do anything with battery life comparision?
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Good point - I forgot about this in my original post. I think that battery life is much better in Clem/Calk6, and this is also important to me however I don't have any hard measurements to back this up. There are some threads that talk about included apps that reduce battery life in HC.
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Could you run this hw acceleration stress test on calkulin + clemsyn combo and let us know what fps the tablet could get :
http://demos.hacks.mozilla.org/openweb/HWACCEL/
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I'm also on Calkulin+ClemsynCombo v6 (an prefer it)...I get 10 FPS...my Windows PC @ work gets 12FPS.
Al
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Al, thanks for posting the result. I assume that you are using the stock browser ?
People who used HC alpha reported their test results to be between 4 - 12 fps. So it seemed that the full hw acceleration of froyo is not being utilized in browing ?
Could you repeat the test with different browsers, i.e. firefox, Dolphin HD v4.5 and opera mobile ?
Your 12 fps score on the PC is low. A $30 cheap 5450 radeon video card with 1 MB memory could improve the score to 60 + fps and you will notice a significant improvement.
Dave
mydave1 said:
Al, thanks for posting the result. I assume that you are using the stock browser ?
People who used HC alpha reported their test results to be between 4 - 12 fps. So it seemed that the full hw acceleration of froyo is not being utilized in browing ?
Could you repeat the test with different browsers, i.e. firefox, Dolphin HD v4.5 and opera mobile ?
Your 12 fps score on the PC is low. A $30 cheap 5450 radeon video card with 1 MB memory could improve the score to 60 + fps and you will notice a significant improvement.
Dave
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Here's the results for Dolphin HD - 12 FPS & Firefox 6 FPS.
Couldn't locate a copy of Opera Mobile...market and amazon show my gtab as incompatible.
Yeah, business PC @ work not much for graphics- shared memory s.cks...your tax dollars @ work (it's a government PC).
Flash web games on Facebook (zynga, CivWorld, etc) are awful on both.
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Flash web games on Facebook (zynga, CivWorld, etc) are awful on both.
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Bejeweled Blitz works fine for me through facebook, played on both Calk/Clem and BC/Clem both OCed 1400
Problem for me is the 'sexiness' of HC makes it very hard for me to go back to my old rom (Beasty/Clem) despite the fact it is noticeably faster then Gtab. Plus you lose out on some great tablet apps like News360.
Reeser,
What other tablet apps do you like since I do like News360 and a number of apps I find are definitely designed for phones instead of tablets.
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Problem for me is the 'sexiness' of HC makes it very hard for me to go back to my old rom (Beasty/Clem) despite the fact it is noticeably faster then Gtab. Plus you lose out on some great tablet apps like News360.
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You gain very little but lose a lot with HC. Mainly NO HW Acceleration. If I have good hardware then I want to be able to get the full benefits it has. HC is definitely the latest but gor GTabs, not the greatest IMO.
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FWIW, I have tried GtabCom
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That's what I use. I prefer an OS designed for a Tablet, when using a Tablet.
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That's what I use. I prefer an OS designed for a Tablet, when using a Tablet.
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Yeah but it's like using a pc with an awesome video card only that he awesome video card is disabled in favor of lame intel graphics.
Just to get a consesus going. I've went back and forth between GTC and Clem/Calk5, I keep going back to Froyo. It may not have all the bells and whistles but it's just not worth it for what I lose in HC.
I'll stay on Froyo until I encounter a must have app that will only run on HC.
Here is the one thing that is detering me from going back to Froyo (and its so minor..)
PORTRAIT ORIENTATION. I WANT MY SOFT KEYS TO BE ON THE BOTTOM.
If Honeycomb would play hulu I would stay there, but I only get sound or video but not both in any of the solutions I have tried....anyone have a working hulu fix for Honeycomb?
I also agree, I also switch back to Gingerbread or Honeycomb due to the buttons on the bottom, if someone could create a utility for this I would probably stay with Froyo. As it is I switch between Beasty's, CM7Tab and Flashback and GtabComb on nearly a daily basis...So conflicted!
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Yeah but it's like using a pc with an awesome video card only that he awesome video card is disabled in favor of lame intel graphics.
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I hear this often, but in my actual use I don't see any issues with overclocked performance in graphics. I must not be playing enough games - I use it for email, reading, browsing, etc. Maybe watch a video now and then (on the far less than 720p screen, watching "HD" video makes no sense)
So, yeah. Whatever floats your boat.
I've been wondering about the hardware acceleration issue as well. It came up in the Illuminate thread, since he's claimed that HA is working on his rom. Folks there have tested some graphics intense games and they worked fine on their system. They can play video with software decoding, so what exactly does HA give us as a benefit.
Can anyone that's running a HC rom please run an Antutu benchmark and report their 2D and 3D rendering results?
the other benchmark test mainly concentrate on CPU performance, not graphics rendering. I had run a Neocore test and got 62.7FPS with Calk/Clem. I've been told that the test is outdated, but if it produces the same results with a HC rom, then we'll know that HA doesn't effect graphics rendering as much as we thought.
Thanks,
Todd Evans
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I've been wondering about the hardware acceleration issue as well. It came up in the Illuminate thread, since he's claimed that HA is working on his rom. Folks there have tested some graphics intense games and they worked fine on their system. They can play video with software decoding, so what exactly does HA give us as a benefit.
Can anyone that's running a HC rom please run an Antutu benchmark and report their 2D and 3D rendering results?
the other benchmark test mainly concentrate on CPU performance, not graphics rendering. I had run a Neocore test and got 62.7FPS with Calk/Clem. I've been told that the test is outdated, but if it produces the same results with a HC rom, then we'll know that HA doesn't effect graphics rendering as much as we thought.
Thanks,
Todd Evans
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Todd,
Antutu v2.1
Flashback 7.1
2d 315
3d 1030
Has anyone performed any performance testing between the two? I am interested in times ro perform basic tasks such as launching the reader, acessing a web page, etc.
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I do not have any data to prove it, but I work the Nook counter at B&N and there is a very obvious difference in the response. I've had my NT since Tuesday and there's no way I would go back to a NC.
I spent some time at B&N playing with the NT. IMHO, and in a totally subjective manner, it flies compared to the NC.
Page turns are super smooth, video plays beautifully, and the general response of the device is excellent.
Oh, and it feels MUCH lighter. I know it is supposed to be 10% lighter, but it feels very nice. I almost picked one up yesterday, but waiting for some B&N gift certs from some award programs to save $$
It depend on if you compare stock NT with stock NC.
From my brief experience owning a NT and currently rocking my CM7.1 NC. When overclocking the NC to 1.3ghz, most everyday operations doesn't differ too much between NC and NT, home scrolling, book page turning, webpage loading, etc. However during CPU or GPU intensive task, like watching a streaming video online or playing a demanding game (not angry bird), the CPU and GPU on NT really shines.
Unfortunately, there is not many demanding game in the Nook store right now, and watching flash streaming video online have some minor, but noticeable video flickering issues (most likely a software problem that will be fix in the next firmware update).
So if you don't have NC currently, or rocking a stock software NC, upgrade make a noticeable difference. However if you already OC your NC, then the decision to upgrade will have to depend on your use case.
Check the video about halfway through the article, I think it will give you an idea (at least in comparison with NC stock speed, I don't know how much the NC is snappier when overclocked).
engadget.com/2011/11/15/barnes-and-noble-nook-tablet-unboxing-and-hands-on-video/#continued
How about the screen NT? Is it accurate and responsive? especially on corners. thats my major complain on NC.
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Check the video about halfway through the article, I think it will give you an idea (at least in comparison with NC stock speed, I don't know how much the NC is snappier when overclocked).
engadget.com/2011/11/15/barnes-and-noble-nook-tablet-unboxing-and-hands-on-video/#continued
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I have to admit that the linked article makes the NT seem very ho-hum. I think nothing beats using the device yourself to really compare it to the NC.
I haven't checked in the NC forum for the appropriate information but I eagerly await quadrant/linpack/antutu scores for the NT to see what we are really dealing with.
The same goes for the Fire. I mean we know the specs but we need something more quantifiable than, 'it's much more snappy' or whatever.
No offense intended to anyone.
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How about the screen NT? Is it accurate and responsive? especially on corners. thats my major complain on NC.
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That and fingerprint visibility annoys the hell out of me, constantly wiping the screen and it still not being clean.
Nuenjin said:
I haven't checked in the NC forum for the appropriate information but I eagerly await quadrant/linpack/antutu scores for the NT to see what we are really dealing with.
The same goes for the Fire. I mean we know the specs but we need something more quantifiable than, 'it's much more snappy' or whatever.
No offense intended to anyone.
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Don't rely on Quadrant or Linpack for accurate benchmarks, because they don't capture real life performance. Case and point, here is my NC running CM7.1 OC at 1.3ghz, which show a Quadrant score faster those most tegra 2 tablet out in the market today. This is incorrect, an OC Cortext-A8 processor cannot beat out a normal Tegra2 processor under any circumstance.
Am I the only one to notice this? anything I do on the laptop dock seems slow, even if it is as simple as opening the messages app on the phone or sending an email through the phone, it still lags even if I only have 1 or 2 tabs open on the laptop dock browser.
I have my phone overclocked and it runs amazingly by itself but the laptop dock doesn't run nearly as smooth. Is the OS just that crappy? Will running custom laptop dock OSs fix this or just add more features?
I have used the thread "Webtop Reloaded" to trim down my Webtop. I've also installed the Chromium web browser from another thread on this forum. Between those two, it's much faster (Firefox is still terribly slow, though), but still not quite as fast as my netbook was on a comparable linux distribution.
My hunch is that the nature of the Webtop being an OS inside of another OS combined with the crazy hacks that Motorola used to make it work cause it to be slow. It can be improved pretty significantly by switching to XFCE or LXDE, but it's still not fast like the Android OS. (This is my experience; I haven't overclocked much to speak of, and I'm certainly no expert.)
do you have a link to Chromium web browser install guide?
In case you haven't already found it, it's here:
[Webtop] Chromium-browser on Webtop(jaunty) with flash support(no dependency problem)
Switching to the 2.3.6 system/boot and webtop fruitcake made a positive difference (Firefox 8). I am not oc'd and the experience is fine. I have switched to using the lapdock in the am to view email, visit my favorite webpages and check Amazon mkt for the free app of the day. (my laptop sits in my safe gathering dust). Not as fast as a laptop but definitely useable. Also, when I am out of town the Citrix Xen Desktop (which my company uses) means I have all my software including Microsoft Office available on the lapdock. It is useable, also.
i always seem to have this issue.. but i assumed it was because of the different os i am using, i am on 4,0 now.. about to see if it is any better now that they have lapdock working.. so they say
I use my lapdock with my phone OC'd at 1.45 GHz, and it's barely usable.
1 GHz is simply not worth it. My boss has an Atrix, too, and once he saw mine on his lapdock, he asked me to root and OC his own phone.
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I use my lapdock with my phone OC'd at 1.45 GHz, and it's barely usable.
1 GHz is simply not worth it. My boss has an Atrix, too, and once he saw mine on his lapdock, he asked me to root and OC his own phone.
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I dont know what you all are talking about a slow web top experience. I have fast when I was on the Wet dream ROM and on ninja ROM. I have the lapdock working on cm9 but not web top. I love it. I use it for college.
Have you all tried those ROMS?
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I've been playing nova on my htc one x as well as transformer prime, problem is it gets laggy in some areas with full effects chainfire fix (no chainfire means no effects but no lag) however my gs3 plays it fine with chainfire and A 200 quid chinese tablet with dual core rockchip and quad mali400 with chainfire plays it full effects no lag???!!! And to help you understand this the antutu score on chinese tablet is 7560 and all tegra devices are just over 12500 so wtf?! I'm just so annoyed,
All devices running clean rooted ics no mods or tweaks only interactive governor
My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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He isn't a dev.... & well.. I'll end there.
As for Tegra 3 ULP Geforce GPU (with 8 spectacular cores)... it isn't a powerhouse GPU. It lacks raw power compared to Mali 400 (and basically all other GPUs)... however, it does have those "oozing" special effects that Nvidia patented.
Also, with single I/O memory controller... with the lack of bandwidth being channeled through during GRAPHIC intensive games... it can have some "FPS" issues.
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Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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What's to lie about? Nova3 and all other games do play fine on my Nexus 7. The framerate not slow either. Like I said, it plays great on my NEXUS 7. now for Prime, Nova3 seems to like to crash on mines. So as of now, I honestly don't know how it plays on my prime. But I do have it for my Nexus 7. Even with full effects, nexus 7 handles it with ease. Prime has software shortcomings that is likely what you are experiencing. Plus you have to REMEMBER THIS, EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES DIFFERENTLY. SO IF THE NEXT MAN SAYS THE GAME WORKS FINE ON HIS PRIME, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT. IF YOU DONT, PEOPLE WONT BELIEVE YOU EITHER. JUST LIKE NOT EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES THE SAME AFTER AN UPDATE.
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP ASSUMING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DEVICE SEEMS to Run the game slower, everyone else's must also. PEOPLE ASSUME TO DAMN MUCH UP HERE. These devices are not all the same, unfortunately.
I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
Its just like all other Gameloft games, they are not optimized at all to run with QuadCores or Tegra3 devices. Order and Chaos has the same issues, it doesn't have mind blowing effects and still runs at 24ish fps. Hell even Asphalt 6 doesn't feel like running at 60 fps. While other games with far, far better graphics run smooth like butter even when connected to the TV.
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I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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Really? Which one do you have?
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latest Window N101 it also has a chinese name yuanduo n101 or something like that, for 200 bones its a good deal, capacitive multi touch 10 point ips screen, ics 4.0.4. rooted etc. hd screen and plays 720p files smoothly, not tested 1080p it has a dual core rockchip 3066 and quad core mali 400 gpu tablet itself is really nice, i thought the asus would have have performed better than the cheap chinese one, but obviously not in this case, its probably gameloft being lazy and not optimizing for tegra as all tegra games run really smooth even in high activity scenes, large environments, etc.
still peed off thogh
just figured i'd chime in again (because of the controversy,lol)...
i was running androwook 2.1 with motley's lite kernel, o'ced to 1.8
the last time i checked out NOVA3(actually the only time i played it).
i went through a couple of levels and didn't have any issues on my Prime.
lately, i have been running team EOS Jelly Bean, and benchmarks have been down,
even from stock ROM, so i haven't tried to run it lately.
i have been playing Riptide GP tho, and it is still smokin fast!
Since upgrading to JB and updating Dead Trigger, I have only noticed one hiccup right when loading a level, and then no more lag through the rest of the level. Before the update and on ICS the game lagged like crazy for the first 30 seconds then finally cleared up. I'm not sure which one fixed it, but perhaps you should check out the JB rom as well...
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I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
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1. Linux Kernel 3.1.1 vs 2.6.39.4 hardly matters.....
Perhaps you didn't know but Linux Kernel 3+ is really 2.6.40 but Linus Torvald simply renamed it to Linux Kernel 3.0...
The changes between the two kernel is minimal (of course, higher is always better in theory.. but here... it is extremely minimal)
If people want to discuss kernel & drivers..... and need someone to blame for multiple issues we have currently... look towards Nvidia FIRST & Asus 2nd (Asus is customer of Nvidia... and they are binded to their work.. sadly)
2. Tegra 3 SoC... no matter how much.. umm.. someone tells you... IS NOT A POWER SoC. It focuses mainly on battery performance (thus the 4+1 technology)... although.. sadly, it doesn't really perform that well in this category either if you look at smartphone sector (S4 HTC One X > Tegra 3 HTC One X).
Anyways, especially with single I/O memory controller, poor kernel/driver integration by Nvidia & Asus (this is assumption), and not very powerful GPU (yes, in terms of raw power... Tegra 3 is crap compared to other GPUs)..... IT CAN HAVE ISSUES during Graphic Intensive Games. IT CAN... as in... if we take Prime for example.... it behaves very radically from device to device.... thus... some will be unfortunate & some very fortunate.
3. I doubt Google wants Android to be portrayed as "tweaker" device. Google's trying their hardest to appeal to the mass public with Nexus 7..... Btw, all the updates & etc you speak of with Desktop.... going from Ubuntu 10.2 to Ubuntu 11.1 are OFFICIAL support. Custom ROMs are not....
deadlocked007 said:
Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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Yup they all lag on my N7 and Prime, although there is some hope: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780587 hopefully its true they are working on optimizations for the Tegra 3 platform.
that is bs
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My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
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Dude that is b.s.No offence.you can't install chainfire3D,hence no full effects.TEGRA 3 DOES NOT GET FULL EFFECTS ON NOVA 3.You don't see fire and smoke on the building at the right side in the first level, before you jump off the building you crashed into.Secondly it does lag very badly especially in multiplayer,I am on 620mhz GPU overclock with 1.6ghz CPU with smoothrom 4.1 android 4.1.2
I don't know about Nova 3, but I have to agree that Wild Blood for example is not smooth at all on my Prime.
Backstab on the other hand seems much smoother.
I'll try Nova 3 and let you know. ( Using Latest Energy Rom).
I've made a thread similar to this before but people assured me it was something i was doing wrong but despite trying everything thats been suggested to me nothing seems to work. ive had this ****ty tablet that i paid £400 for about 3 months now and im sick of it. My galaxy siii is as smooth as i can ask for, its perfect. This tablet however is a different story. the scrolling is truely horrid, i mean its so janky and stuttery and even when it dosent stutter the screen has a sort of deforming effect. I feel like either google really need to spend some time optimising this tablet or the hardware just cannot support this screen resolution. I love android and even back on my older phones with ics and froyo i found their scrolling often smoother than this ****TY TABLET. I've tried about 15 roms, 4 kernels and even tried over-clocking to about 2.0ghz, nothing. made a difference. does anyone know if gooogle is optimising this tablet? because if i see no improvements within the next month im selling this piece of junk. I dont understand how a tablet that can maintain 60 fps on a 3D game can't even manage to scroll a webpage or app drawer page without dropping frames and having janky and stuttery scrolling. I am also very sure this isnt a problem with android. as i said my phone i9300 galaxy siii handles scrolling super smooth on stock and cm10.1 so it can't be an android problem.
My main question is; Does anyone else find this tablets scrolling performance to be stuttery and janky? or do i have a dud?
Another thing i would like to say is that, the animations are perfectly smooth and in terms of app open speed and gaming performance this tablet is great. however i tend to use tablets for mostly web browsing and other 2D applications which is something that this tablet cant handle for some reason. (oh btw i have tried about 5 different browsers and i know chrome is utter **** this isnt chrome that im tlaking about)
My N10 is stock and not rooted, the only application that behaves anything like that is Firefox which can be really bad. No other issues like that at all. If your looking to resolve the problem I'd go back to basics. It's much more likely to be a software issue than anything else.
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Perhaps checking the Force GPU rendering in the developers options will help remedy the issue you are having with scrolling.
I do not have this issue when scrolling through a website =\ I do have Force GPU rendering enabled as well as Disable HW overlays checked.
before I returned my two through the play store I noticed a horrible amount of scroll "waving" while in portrait. If you have it in portrait and scroll up and down really fast you can see it big time. Even on daily normal scrolling I could see it. It really bothered me. Its too many pixles. I'd rather have uniform scrolling then the last line of pixels be a half second late compared to the first line. It's hard to explain but it is very annoying.
1920 X 1200 is probably the sweet spot right now. Anything over that is overkill and the GPU/CPU cant keep up.
Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
try the eos rom, i think it smooth, stable.... it also keeps running smooth after days of use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178128
also in developer options there are 3 things i change on every rom down to. 5:
window animation scale
transition animation scale
animation duration scale
only web pg that doesnt seem to be smooth is 9 gag.
i keep my browser in desktop mode always.
bummer u have a bad taste from it, i find it to be a great hardware, but i like to tweak on it alot.
You are not the only one, check this video, N10 is not as smooth as the ipad or surface, go to min 5.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI53tTXcPY8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
stock and boat browser made things much better for me, never use chrome.
NickTheMajin said:
Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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I'm using the Ocean browser and scrolling is very smooth. So, maybe its inefficient apps?
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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Thaz the thing about software it can always be edited with new optimization and thus improve it. Its still a work in progress. Android always has been
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Settings -> developer options -> ( check ) force GPU rendering
Little more batt life drain I think ...
If you want good browsers :
(Smoothest)
Naked browser
AOKP browser
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Like every android device out there you just need to tweak the min free values to make it smoother. A good ROM/kernel combo helps too.
Add these lines to an init.d file:
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
echo "0,1,3,7,11,15" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj;
echo "16384,20480,25600,51200,76800,102400" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree;
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
Where do I find the init.d file?
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Where do I find the init.d file?
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Web browsing mostly also, here's...
the steps which have my n10 scrolling smoothly...
1. Start with tablet stock, locked, and setup complete.
2. Unlock and root tablet by preferred method and create nandroid backup. (May require understanding/knowledge of how to get out of bootloop)
3. Go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if required) and install Quick Boot.
4. Install preferred custom Recovery (TWRP is mine)
5. Download preferred custom ROM, gapps ( I prefer a minimum package like Rascarlo's), and kernel. (See mine in signature).
6. Use Quick Boot to boot into recovery, wipe cache, factory reset, then system. I just do...
7. Install ROM, wipe cache and dalvik, install kernel, then gapps. Again, I just do...
8. Reboot system.
9. Set up tablet then go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if needed).
10. Download and install BusyBox.
11. Update, install, and setup required/preferred apps from Play Store (AdAway and Naked Browser required for my tablet!)
12. Go into Settings and clean/disable everything under each setting I don't require or need for my tablet to web browse.
13. Boot into Recovery and "fix permissions".
14. Reboot system, set governor parameters, and enjoy!
This has worked for me without issue, can't/won't guaranty my results for others so use at own risk! :laugh:
My scrolling is good. I'm just on rooted stock 4.2.2. But then again, I may just not be as picky as other people.
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No problem here, my Nexus10 is running fast and smooth. CM10.1 no mods, with Dolphin as browser.
Paranoid Android + KToonsez kernel = silky smooth scrolling.
One flick will scroll top to bottom ANY page I have came across and it is VERY smooth.
Try one of the custom roms / kernels for this device and you will change your mind.