{RANT} Am I the only one thats findings the scrolling not smooth - Nexus 10 General

I've made a thread similar to this before but people assured me it was something i was doing wrong but despite trying everything thats been suggested to me nothing seems to work. ive had this ****ty tablet that i paid £400 for about 3 months now and im sick of it. My galaxy siii is as smooth as i can ask for, its perfect. This tablet however is a different story. the scrolling is truely horrid, i mean its so janky and stuttery and even when it dosent stutter the screen has a sort of deforming effect. I feel like either google really need to spend some time optimising this tablet or the hardware just cannot support this screen resolution. I love android and even back on my older phones with ics and froyo i found their scrolling often smoother than this ****TY TABLET. I've tried about 15 roms, 4 kernels and even tried over-clocking to about 2.0ghz, nothing. made a difference. does anyone know if gooogle is optimising this tablet? because if i see no improvements within the next month im selling this piece of junk. I dont understand how a tablet that can maintain 60 fps on a 3D game can't even manage to scroll a webpage or app drawer page without dropping frames and having janky and stuttery scrolling. I am also very sure this isnt a problem with android. as i said my phone i9300 galaxy siii handles scrolling super smooth on stock and cm10.1 so it can't be an android problem.
My main question is; Does anyone else find this tablets scrolling performance to be stuttery and janky? or do i have a dud?
Another thing i would like to say is that, the animations are perfectly smooth and in terms of app open speed and gaming performance this tablet is great. however i tend to use tablets for mostly web browsing and other 2D applications which is something that this tablet cant handle for some reason. (oh btw i have tried about 5 different browsers and i know chrome is utter **** this isnt chrome that im tlaking about)

My N10 is stock and not rooted, the only application that behaves anything like that is Firefox which can be really bad. No other issues like that at all. If your looking to resolve the problem I'd go back to basics. It's much more likely to be a software issue than anything else.
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Perhaps checking the Force GPU rendering in the developers options will help remedy the issue you are having with scrolling.
I do not have this issue when scrolling through a website =\ I do have Force GPU rendering enabled as well as Disable HW overlays checked.

before I returned my two through the play store I noticed a horrible amount of scroll "waving" while in portrait. If you have it in portrait and scroll up and down really fast you can see it big time. Even on daily normal scrolling I could see it. It really bothered me. Its too many pixles. I'd rather have uniform scrolling then the last line of pixels be a half second late compared to the first line. It's hard to explain but it is very annoying.
1920 X 1200 is probably the sweet spot right now. Anything over that is overkill and the GPU/CPU cant keep up.

Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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altimax98 said:
Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.

try the eos rom, i think it smooth, stable.... it also keeps running smooth after days of use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178128
also in developer options there are 3 things i change on every rom down to. 5:
window animation scale
transition animation scale
animation duration scale
only web pg that doesnt seem to be smooth is 9 gag.
i keep my browser in desktop mode always.
bummer u have a bad taste from it, i find it to be a great hardware, but i like to tweak on it alot.

You are not the only one, check this video, N10 is not as smooth as the ipad or surface, go to min 5.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI53tTXcPY8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
stock and boat browser made things much better for me, never use chrome.

NickTheMajin said:
Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
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Again, this is an A15 w/2x the pixels to push
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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I'm using the Ocean browser and scrolling is very smooth. So, maybe its inefficient apps?

plznote said:
That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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Thaz the thing about software it can always be edited with new optimization and thus improve it. Its still a work in progress. Android always has been
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Settings -> developer options -> ( check ) force GPU rendering
Little more batt life drain I think ...
If you want good browsers :
(Smoothest)
Naked browser
AOKP browser
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Like every android device out there you just need to tweak the min free values to make it smoother. A good ROM/kernel combo helps too.
Add these lines to an init.d file:
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
echo "0,1,3,7,11,15" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj;
echo "16384,20480,25600,51200,76800,102400" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree;
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree

Where do I find the init.d file?
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Where do I find the init.d file?
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System/etc/init.d

Web browsing mostly also, here's...
the steps which have my n10 scrolling smoothly...
1. Start with tablet stock, locked, and setup complete.
2. Unlock and root tablet by preferred method and create nandroid backup. (May require understanding/knowledge of how to get out of bootloop)
3. Go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if required) and install Quick Boot.
4. Install preferred custom Recovery (TWRP is mine)
5. Download preferred custom ROM, gapps ( I prefer a minimum package like Rascarlo's), and kernel. (See mine in signature).
6. Use Quick Boot to boot into recovery, wipe cache, factory reset, then system. I just do...
7. Install ROM, wipe cache and dalvik, install kernel, then gapps. Again, I just do...
8. Reboot system.
9. Set up tablet then go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if needed).
10. Download and install BusyBox.
11. Update, install, and setup required/preferred apps from Play Store (AdAway and Naked Browser required for my tablet!)
12. Go into Settings and clean/disable everything under each setting I don't require or need for my tablet to web browse.
13. Boot into Recovery and "fix permissions".
14. Reboot system, set governor parameters, and enjoy!
This has worked for me without issue, can't/won't guaranty my results for others so use at own risk! :laugh:

My scrolling is good. I'm just on rooted stock 4.2.2. But then again, I may just not be as picky as other people.
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No problem here, my Nexus10 is running fast and smooth. CM10.1 no mods, with Dolphin as browser.

Paranoid Android + KToonsez kernel = silky smooth scrolling.
One flick will scroll top to bottom ANY page I have came across and it is VERY smooth.
Try one of the custom roms / kernels for this device and you will change your mind.

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[Q] Over-clocked TP - Browser speed slower than iPad 1??

Hi All,
I am enjoying playing around improving the speed of my touchpad. It is now clocked to 1.7Ghz.
Surprisingly my iPad 1 loads web pages considerably quicker than my over-clocked touchpad (BBC.co.uk is a good example).
Given the hardware improvements this is a little surprising.
I have applied the recommended patches, just wondered if anyone out there has managed to tweak their TP so that it can out perform an ipad 1 for loading web pages?
Would be interested to know your thoughts.
Thanks
Dan
The stock browser is well known for being decidedly average.
Have you applied the download-speed patch amongst the others?
Do you have the caching patch applied? That can make a big difference in the browser speed.
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thanks for the response. Been doing some reading and concluded that the webos browser / os just is not optimised for the hardware.
Madness really, A processor that runs almost twice as fast yet cant load BBC.co.uk as quick.
Sort of understand why HP decided to pull out - they have got so much to do to get on par with Apple..
its interesting reading that some say there overclocked TP is as fast as anything out there, i think they are kidding there selves.
Still, I love this new gadget - for £89 I am not moaning.. (but can see why they would never sell at iPad prices)
Thanks
Dan
have pretty much all patches for the browser, but not tried the caching patch. I think there are a couple out there. I will have a play.
Its clear where the performance of this device sits Vs the current competition.... roll on Andriod Port
cheers all
dluik said:
thanks for the response. Been doing some reading and concluded that the webos browser / os just is not optimised for the hardware.
Madness really, A processor that runs almost twice as fast yet cant load BBC.co.uk as quick.
Sort of understand why HP decided to pull out - they have got so much to do to get on par with Apple..
its interesting reading that some say there overclocked TP is as fast as anything out there, i think they are kidding there selves.
Still, I love this new gadget - for £89 I am not moaning.. (but can see why they would never sell at iPad prices)
Thanks
Dan
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At 1.7ghz your Touchpad is running OVER 2x the clockspeed of the original iPad not to mention that it also has double the cores. The original iPad runs at 800mhz single core. I have made a few videos to dispute some people at Precentral that claim the Touchpad's browser is faster than their desktop computer's and other insane claims like that. All of them have my iPad considerably beating the Touchpad, especially on content heavy sites. Also this is with flash off and disabled on the TP and cache cleared on both.
I have the Touchpad and my girlfriend the iPad2.
- Web surfing speed is much faster on the iPad2 even after tweaks enabled on Touchpad.
- Scrolling is smoother on iPad(2).
- Websites are displayed better and more functional on the Touchpad.
- Some JavaScript intensive stuff (like image lightboxes) runs smoother on the Touchpad, almost as smooth like on a computer. I don't know if all JS things run faster on the Touchpad.
In the end I think the iPad(2) has the better surfing experience for most people.
The web application for the Touchpad just seems badly programmed.
It's the whole OS that's slow, not just the browser. Seems the few remaining webOS' engineer's didn't have the motivation to optimize it.
webOS is a great OS. It's just let down by its speed. If they made it open source, the community could improve it no end.
Is the BBC page filled with flash? The iPad may be loading faster since it doesn't have to load the flash
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Is the BBC page filled with flash? The iPad may be loading faster since it doesn't have to load the flash
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Someone (not OP) states above that they tested with Flash disabled and cache cleared, and TP still loses.
I can conform the same - TP with patches/tweaks and overclocked to 1.5 GHz is considerably slower than any Android devices I could compare it to (2 phones, 2 tablets). I am actually considering dumping it because it is SO slow, I just can't use it. Try starting up the 3.0.2 stock calculator - it takes a few seconds for it to start!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It should be lightning fast! When I need to run a couple of easy numbers, it is quicker for me to do it myself than to wait for the TP to start up the calculator app.
If there is no reliable android port that runs FAST, I consider the $150 WASTED.
Hopefully the browser will be on par with the hardware once we get android. Also i know the touchpad has a slow browser, but i herd it has a much better range than the iPad. As in if you brought the iPad to where your out of wifi range, the touchpad will still work, and work almost as quick as when it was in closer range.
Can't test this out though, my touchpad hasn't arrived yet, but it just shipped 2 days ago, so it should be here soon
I haven't done much browsing on my Touchpad, since the browser really annoys me, but the worst example of the slowness that I have found is loading Engadget.com. I can load Engadget.com and then tap on a story and load that on my iPad before the Touchpad can load the Engadget.com main page.
iPad on the left and Touchpad on the right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmUyADNN4w
Here is the Touchpad on the left and the iPad on the right loading Politico.com. The iPad loads the entire page, WITH ADS, before the Touchpad loads a single element without ads. That is pathetic HP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktBtiCImPsE&feature=player_detailpage#t=66s
Forgive the sound in the videos. The Epic4g I used to film is ridiculous at picking up every single sound while taking a video and I had a fan running in the room.
You all (and anyone who owns a Touchpad) needs to install the "disable cache" patch found on precentral.net. It will dramatically improves the browser speed by 40-50%, I'd say. You will need Preware installed to install Internalz pro from Preware. Then Internalz pro will install patch for you. Reboot after patch installs. The most important posts of the thread below are #1, #59 and #85.
here is link to thread.
http://forums.precentral.net/hp-tou...8215-disable-weboss-flawed-browser-cache.html
Hopefully this patch or code will be incorporated in the next webOS version.
ricoishere2 said:
You all (and anyone who owns a Touchpad) needs to install the "disable cache" patch found on precentral.net. It will dramatically improves the browser speed by 40-50%, I'd say. You will need Preware installed to install Internalz pro from Preware. Then Internalz pro will install patch for you. Reboot after patch installs. The most important posts of the thread below are #1, #59 and #85.
here is link to thread.
this patch or code will be incorporated in the next webOS version.
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have done this - thanks
sadly ipad1 still comfortably out performs my TP...
thanks Dan
dluik said:
have done this - thanks
sadly ipad1 still comfortably out performs my TP...
thanks Dan
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One being faster than the other is less as important than one being comfortable with the speed itself. Point being, the Touchpad with the "disable cache" patch makes the browsing experience very enjoyable on the Touchpad. My Volvo 850R is not as fast as a Ferrari but its very fast and fun to drive to me. The patch improves the browsing speed greatly and anyone who has a Touchpad will benefit.
-Sent from my HP Touchpad
Glimpse app has a built-in browser that seems faster than the stock one.

nova 3 in tegra 3 vs chinese tablet, someone wtf?!?!

I've been playing nova on my htc one x as well as transformer prime, problem is it gets laggy in some areas with full effects chainfire fix (no chainfire means no effects but no lag) however my gs3 plays it fine with chainfire and A 200 quid chinese tablet with dual core rockchip and quad mali400 with chainfire plays it full effects no lag???!!! And to help you understand this the antutu score on chinese tablet is 7560 and all tegra devices are just over 12500 so wtf?! I'm just so annoyed,
All devices running clean rooted ics no mods or tweaks only interactive governor
My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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motionmagic said:
Plays fine on my prime also. No lag, full effects.
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deadlocked007 said:
Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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thanks deadlocked, i thought i was going crazy here and ive been reading the forums of other users complaining. without tweaking anything llike going into development settings max 1 process kill all processes is a temp fix but it doesnt work that well, i shouldnt have to do all that, not sure why a cheap chinese tablet can do this yet an expensive tablet with tegra 3 cant get it right?
i respect the recognized developer above but i thought he was winding me up there as a developer of all people should know there are issues
question now is what can be done, why is this issue even here, how do we resolve this
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He isn't a dev.... & well.. I'll end there.
As for Tegra 3 ULP Geforce GPU (with 8 spectacular cores)... it isn't a powerhouse GPU. It lacks raw power compared to Mali 400 (and basically all other GPUs)... however, it does have those "oozing" special effects that Nvidia patented.
Also, with single I/O memory controller... with the lack of bandwidth being channeled through during GRAPHIC intensive games... it can have some "FPS" issues.
deadlocked007 said:
Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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What's to lie about? Nova3 and all other games do play fine on my Nexus 7. The framerate not slow either. Like I said, it plays great on my NEXUS 7. now for Prime, Nova3 seems to like to crash on mines. So as of now, I honestly don't know how it plays on my prime. But I do have it for my Nexus 7. Even with full effects, nexus 7 handles it with ease. Prime has software shortcomings that is likely what you are experiencing. Plus you have to REMEMBER THIS, EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES DIFFERENTLY. SO IF THE NEXT MAN SAYS THE GAME WORKS FINE ON HIS PRIME, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT. IF YOU DONT, PEOPLE WONT BELIEVE YOU EITHER. JUST LIKE NOT EVERYONE PRIME BEHAVES THE SAME AFTER AN UPDATE.
PEOPLE NEED TO STOP ASSUMING THAT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DEVICE SEEMS to Run the game slower, everyone else's must also. PEOPLE ASSUME TO DAMN MUCH UP HERE. These devices are not all the same, unfortunately.
I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
Its just like all other Gameloft games, they are not optimized at all to run with QuadCores or Tegra3 devices. Order and Chaos has the same issues, it doesn't have mind blowing effects and still runs at 24ish fps. Hell even Asphalt 6 doesn't feel like running at 60 fps. While other games with far, far better graphics run smooth like butter even when connected to the TV.
Parastie said:
I think you should also remember that your chinese tablet has an 800x480 screen, not 1280x800. That's a HUGE different in pixel count, so a slower/cheaper SOC can easily push 30+ frames a second to that screen.
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chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
mox123 said:
chinese tabet is 1280x800 so its not any less,
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Really? Which one do you have?
Parastie said:
Really? Which one do you have?
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latest Window N101 it also has a chinese name yuanduo n101 or something like that, for 200 bones its a good deal, capacitive multi touch 10 point ips screen, ics 4.0.4. rooted etc. hd screen and plays 720p files smoothly, not tested 1080p it has a dual core rockchip 3066 and quad core mali 400 gpu tablet itself is really nice, i thought the asus would have have performed better than the cheap chinese one, but obviously not in this case, its probably gameloft being lazy and not optimizing for tegra as all tegra games run really smooth even in high activity scenes, large environments, etc.
still peed off thogh
just figured i'd chime in again (because of the controversy,lol)...
i was running androwook 2.1 with motley's lite kernel, o'ced to 1.8
the last time i checked out NOVA3(actually the only time i played it).
i went through a couple of levels and didn't have any issues on my Prime.
lately, i have been running team EOS Jelly Bean, and benchmarks have been down,
even from stock ROM, so i haven't tried to run it lately.
i have been playing Riptide GP tho, and it is still smokin fast!
Since upgrading to JB and updating Dead Trigger, I have only noticed one hiccup right when loading a level, and then no more lag through the rest of the level. Before the update and on ICS the game lagged like crazy for the first 30 seconds then finally cleared up. I'm not sure which one fixed it, but perhaps you should check out the JB rom as well...
johanjonker said:
I have to agee with demandarim. I have a prime with 0 wifi issues, unlike most.. also I have mine rooted and clocked to 1.6ghz, also with no issues at all.. Since alot of people have issues with those I agree that no two prime are 100% equil
And if it runs well on other Tegra3 devices like the Nexus 7 .. Then it might be a issues with the Asus software.
I know were not even on a 3.x.x kernel yet.. we have 2.6.39.4.. even that might be an issue..
There is a lot of reasons youre's might be slow.. You can wait for Asus to release new firmware that might resolve you're issues, or you can load a custom rom, that is useing different firmware for you're hardware that is more based around performance.
Everyone here is willing to take there Desktop PC, load the latest drivers for there screencard or what ever, imagen you had to wait for a new release to update the driver? Like complaining Ubuntu 10.2 is craps compared to Ubuntu 11.1cause it doesn't run well on you're Alienware Desktop.. No.. you update the it... cause it fixes it! So if you would update you're out of the box Desktop for 25 more FPS, then THATS WHY WE BOUGHT ANDROID AND NOT APPEL... cause with a little tweaking its better..
appel is like flying business class.. its just fine.. Android/linux is like flying first class, you just get the bolts and spanner on you way in to fasten your seat.. so with a little tweak is better, or you fail to tighten the bolts, and then you complain on XDA forums
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1. Linux Kernel 3.1.1 vs 2.6.39.4 hardly matters.....
Perhaps you didn't know but Linux Kernel 3+ is really 2.6.40 but Linus Torvald simply renamed it to Linux Kernel 3.0...
The changes between the two kernel is minimal (of course, higher is always better in theory.. but here... it is extremely minimal)
If people want to discuss kernel & drivers..... and need someone to blame for multiple issues we have currently... look towards Nvidia FIRST & Asus 2nd (Asus is customer of Nvidia... and they are binded to their work.. sadly)
2. Tegra 3 SoC... no matter how much.. umm.. someone tells you... IS NOT A POWER SoC. It focuses mainly on battery performance (thus the 4+1 technology)... although.. sadly, it doesn't really perform that well in this category either if you look at smartphone sector (S4 HTC One X > Tegra 3 HTC One X).
Anyways, especially with single I/O memory controller, poor kernel/driver integration by Nvidia & Asus (this is assumption), and not very powerful GPU (yes, in terms of raw power... Tegra 3 is crap compared to other GPUs)..... IT CAN HAVE ISSUES during Graphic Intensive Games. IT CAN... as in... if we take Prime for example.... it behaves very radically from device to device.... thus... some will be unfortunate & some very fortunate.
3. I doubt Google wants Android to be portrayed as "tweaker" device. Google's trying their hardest to appeal to the mass public with Nexus 7..... Btw, all the updates & etc you speak of with Desktop.... going from Ubuntu 10.2 to Ubuntu 11.1 are OFFICIAL support. Custom ROMs are not....
deadlocked007 said:
Don't give us this bull****... Yes it may play without problem but it's not fully smooth. Runs like a 24 fps movie. Hell the loading times are abysmal. Demandarin I respect you for all the work you've done for us and how positive you've been but don't go as far as lying.... I should be able to run this game on my supposed top of the line tablet with a quad core processor without modifying anything at all. Yet I can't. Game experiences on this tablet have been horrible even with Tegra 3 optimized games.
Sorry if I'm coming out strong but I'm damned tired of this. I have to rma my tablet again just to be able to ota update. Really? Really? Can't even unlock for goodness sakes...
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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This. I couldnt agree more. I was looking for NOVA 3 lag fixes on my Nexus 7 and came across similar posts stating how smooth the game is. It's not smooth. The frame rate is ****. Seems like all of Gamelofts recent titles, lag to hell on Tegra 3. (Amazing Spiderman, Modern Combat 3, Nova 3). Look at videos of Nova 3 running on the Galaxy S3. Now that is smooth.
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Yup they all lag on my N7 and Prime, although there is some hope: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1780587 hopefully its true they are working on optimizations for the Tegra 3 platform.
that is bs
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My nexus 7 plays nova3 with no lag at all...full effects
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Dude that is b.s.No offence.you can't install chainfire3D,hence no full effects.TEGRA 3 DOES NOT GET FULL EFFECTS ON NOVA 3.You don't see fire and smoke on the building at the right side in the first level, before you jump off the building you crashed into.Secondly it does lag very badly especially in multiplayer,I am on 620mhz GPU overclock with 1.6ghz CPU with smoothrom 4.1 android 4.1.2
I don't know about Nova 3, but I have to agree that Wild Blood for example is not smooth at all on my Prime.
Backstab on the other hand seems much smoother.
I'll try Nova 3 and let you know. ( Using Latest Energy Rom).

[Q] I can believe there's no butter

So had my nexus 10 for a few days now and im confused about the general stuttery performance issues. my galaxy s3 running cm10 runs android rather buttery and smooth. the nexus 10 seems to be lacking butter. ive tried the nexus 4 and it's a great buttery performance but the 10 lags and stutters alot, is this just because of the screen resolution or is a fault of android? ive tried cm10 and others nexus 10 roms but still seems kinda stuttery. is over clocking the answer? it's only really 2d performance where the 10 seems to be lacking and i expected more from a 1.7 dual core proc.
something i have noticed is that as long as i keep my finger on the screen, it does not lag, however if i fling and then remove my figure it lags and stutters.
i want to hear other peoples opinions on nexus 10 performance because so far, i fail to see the butter.
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i want to hear other peoples opinions on nexus 10 performance because so far, i fail to see the butter.
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If there are performance problems, the reason they never get fixed is that people insist on posting subjective experience with "lag" on xda instead of objective, useful bug reports on the AOSP bug tracker..
In my experience, though, it's always a ****ty app hogging the UI thread in a service or some other noob developer move causing lag.
My N10 is smooth and stock.
The idea behind Project Butter, I believe, is that when you have your finger on the screen, then the governor automatically ramps up the speed to whatever the max has been set to. This is the reason why interactive is now the most common governor of choice for AOSP. I suppose you could root and flash a different kernel with other specialised governors like KToonses, which comes with PegasusQ, KToonsertive and others. Or even on stock you could change to other kernels and see if that helps out. I haven't really been noticing much problem with the stutter even on interactive tbh. Animations are fine, so could be that you do have some cpu intensive app causing the lag.
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I use both daily, cm 10.1 on my d2vzw and can tell you my N10 doesn't lag/stutter, both are comparable speed wise in daily use here. As others have suggested I would check your installed apps for irregular behavior
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I have a nexus 10 and a 9300i too, and my nexus 10 is much much faster!
Actually thinking about it 1 app runs better on my S3, google chrome. I use the AOSP browser instead on my N10, for this as well as flash support.
Think i found the problem
it would appear that having google currents syncing in the background causes lag. tablet is super fast after disabling.
No lag here whatsoever. Running cm10.1 nightlies.
I haven't had a single hint of lag since day one. Seriously, literally as smooth as smooth can be as far as 2D desktop experience goes. If you're suffering noticeable lag I'd honestly think you have a faulty tablet. This thing is BUTTER.
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it would appear that having google currents syncing in the background causes lag. tablet is super fast after disabling.
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I believe the thread you're referring to is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2012756
bamboosensei said:
The idea behind Project Butter, I believe, is that when you have your finger on the screen, then the governor automatically ramps up the speed to whatever the max has been set to. This is the reason why interactive is now the most common governor of choice for AOSP. I suppose you could root and flash a different kernel with other specialised governors like KToonses, which comes with PegasusQ, KToonsertive and others. Or even on stock you could change to other kernels and see if that helps out. I haven't really been noticing much problem with the stutter even on interactive tbh. Animations are fine, so could be that you do have some cpu intensive app causing the lag.
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The other aspects of project butter such as the vsync made a much bigger difference than the ramping up CPU. Prior to jellybean if a toast notification came up all the animations would become really choppy. Even with the CPU at low speeds the animations stay smooth as they are rendered by the GPU.
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blackhand1001 said:
The other aspects of project butter such as the vsync made a much bigger difference than the ramping up CPU. Prior to jellybean if a toast notification came up all the animations would become really choppy. Even with the CPU at low speeds the animations stay smooth as they are rendered by the GPU.
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I agree but the TC stated that it didn't lag when he kept his finger on the screen so I assumed it was due to that particular part of Project Butter that made a difference.
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[MOD][HOW TO]Enable Tegra 4 Graphics on Dead Trigger 2

Found a thread with the trick to getting Tegra 4 graphics on our Note 3's. Our device is more than capable of running this so it's BS that Madfinger and other devs do this crap. Give thanks to "lm that guy" in the original thread linked below.
Tegra 4 Graphics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496204
Dead Trigger 2 Download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.madfingergames.deadtrigger2
Enjoy!!!!
nolimit06 said:
Found a thread with the trick to getting Tegra 4 graphics on our Note 3's. Our device is more than capable of running this so it's BS that Madfinger and other devs do this crap. Give thanks to "lm that guy" in the original thread linked below.
Tegra 4 Graphics: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496204
Dead Trigger 2 Download: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.madfingergames.deadtrigger2
Enjoy!!!!
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I tried this on the Nexus 7 Grouper and it was almost perfect. You can notice very tiny lag when looking at the reflective water, so I expect that any other device out there such as the Galaxy S4 and Note 2 can run it no problems.
Crossvxm said:
I tried this on the Nexus 7 Grouper and it was almost perfect. You can notice very tiny lag when looking at the reflective water, so I expect that any other device out there such as the Galaxy S4 and Note 2 can run it no problems.
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It was unplayable laggy on my Grouper, might have been the level I was on. The N7 ROMs based on CM are a mess and don't allow custom kernels without what I consider major problems. Not sure what's going on there.
nolimit06 said:
It was unplayable laggy on my Grouper, might have been the level I was on. The N7 ROMs based on CM are a mess and don't allow custom kernels without what I consider major problems. Not sure what's going on there.
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Yup you were right depends on the level. First level plays pretty stable. Indoor levels are a disaster. The game is pretty damn optimized if it stays as stable as it does. It is playable on mine, just unpleasant to play, not a dramatic lag. I'm pretty pissed i waited all summer for this game, never released then, and now that it is it requires you to be connected to some sort of internet all the time to play. Groupers depend on wifi, i live in NYC where the best time to play is while on the buses. Buses don't have wifi?!?! How am I to play lol. And my Nexus 7 is mint but the wifi is pretty crappy compared to my girls which has some wear, so here at home even with a good connection i encounter issues playing and the loading also depends on internet believe it or not.
As for roms for the Nexus 7, go with SmoothRom 5.2. Its AOKP based instead of CM. If you've done your homework, AOKP is claimed to be glitchy, but that really doesnt apply to the Nexus 7. And SmoothRom is 99% stable, no crashes, no "Unfortunately BlaBlaBla has stopped working," no fluttering graphical glitches. The 1% instability goes to the fact that at times the stock AOSP browser's Back/Forward/Refresh buttons dissapear. Its stable for daily use. I have it installed on mine and my girls. Only con is that its still stuck on 4.2.2 but the preformance IMO exceeds 4.3 with the tweaks it has.
Kernel-wise, I use M-Kernel to reach the crazy 1.6GHz although I never really clock it that high except when testing preformance differences (it can reach 1.7GHz, the secret is it must be on a single core as NVIDIA points out on their Tegra 3). Franco Kernel gives nice battery life, but theres occasional slowdowns on the entire rom and freezes, at times complete system crashes (not sure if thats only with this rom, i know the latest updates to that kernel suddenly brought that).
So if your looking for a stable, fast, reaponsive rom for the Grouper, think SmoothRom. Kernel is up to you.
I will look in to that ROM, thanks for the heads up.
Sick graphics
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nolimit06 said:
I will look in to that ROM, thanks for the heads up.
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No problem! You wont regret it let me know how it works out! I'm now testing this on the LG Optimus G...wish me luck!
I'm using the Root Browser in Rom Toolbox. I can edit the value in the XML, and it says it's saving, but when I go back in to the file my edit is reverted back to the original.
How can I tell visually if the ultra high graphics are actually enabled?

How to get a buttery smooth UI.

So I wanted to write this quick and simple tutorial on how to get utter smooth UI. it only takes 3 quick things and you'll be set.
1. Use Nova Launcher. TOUCHWIZ has come a long way but it's still not where it needs to be.
2. Under developer options make all the animations .5
3. Under developer options turn on Force GPU Rendering.
With these three things done this phone is absolutely butter smooth and runs super fast.
enzozenuni said:
So I wanted to write this quick and simple tutorial on how to get utter smooth UI. it only takes 3 quick things and you'll be set.
1. Use Nova Launcher. TOUCHWIZ has come a long way but it's still not where it needs to be.
2. Under developer options make all the animations .5
3. Under developer options turn on Force GPU Rendering.
With these three things done this phone is absolutely butter smooth and runs super fast.
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How does Force GPU Rendering speed things up?
And shouldn't the animations be 0?
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KruseLudsMobile said:
How does Force GPU Rendering speed things up?
And shouldn't the animations be 0?
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I keep em at .5 just because I like a slight animation. Force gpu I'm not sure exactly how it functions but it definitely made my phone a lot smoother.
enzozenuni said:
I keep em at .5 just because I like a slight animation. Force gpu I'm not sure exactly how it functions but it definitely made my phone a lot smoother.
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Animations were way too slow for me so, and I dialed them back to .5 actually. Thanks for the tip tho!
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You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
I'm grateful because I know someone learned something. But I thought this was pretty common.
I've been away from Samsung since note 4. Sad these devices still have that slight lag.
None of what's in the op fixes the issue in the long wrong. First thing I did when I recurved the phone but 2 months later, lag fest.
Luckily I got mine for free.
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REAL multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
herandy said:
You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
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Hello have you a link to this app please?
Haha great guide man!
It's great to see that I'm not the only person that does this!
I've been doing this ever since developer options were a thing!
That being said, i've found myself stuck to TouchWiz on this device only. It just works and i'm a little ashamed to say.. I like it.
;D
On another note, would you happen to know of a way to get the frosted app drawer look Touchwiz has on Nova?
Thanks!
marvi0 said:
Hello have you a link to this app please?
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Play Store
herandy said:
You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
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I installed SystemUI Tuner but use it for other things - I still prefer 0 which can be done without that tool.
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denzel09 said:
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REALLY multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
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Same here. Not even the tiniest lag or stutter. Set my animation speed to 0.5x (I do that even on AOSP phones) and it's faster than anything. Apps load instantly. Battery life is great. Screen quality is unbelievable. Camera quality is sick. Best phone I ever had. Now when I see how many problems Pixel 2 and 2 XL has. I'm happy that I got this phone. Samsung is improving a lot. But next year I might switch to Pixel 3 XL(only if they will fix all these problems).
I think the Play Store and Chrome lag from time to time. The Samsung browser is smoother.
Mine I set it ot High Performance Mode, 0.5 transitions, force gpu rendering on 2d apps.
Well of course in exchange of battery.
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KruseLudsMobile said:
How to get a buttery smooth UI.
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This shouldn't even be up for discussion. If your touchwiz UI is not smooth on this phone maybe do a restore or check for 3rd party software utilizing your CPU in back ground. This phone doesn't need 3rd party launcher or customization to be smooth.
DrearierJester1 said:
Mine I set it ot High Performance Mode, 0.5 transitions, force gpu rendering on 2d apps.
Well of course in exchange of battery.
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Performance modes do nothing in terms of how CPU and GPU are handled all they do is mess with resolution screen brightness.
Also force GPU 2d is doing nothing for you as it was put in place long time ago for apps that didn't utilize GPU for 2d. This day age with new android and touchwiz your GPU is being used and you could test this buy enabling *show GPU view updates* in dev options and navigate your UI and you will see the screen flashes red that because your GPU is already being used
^^ Thanks for the tip. I have moved on to X.
DrearierJester1 said:
^^ Thanks for the tip. I have moved on to X.
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Well good for you Some people can't handle the options you get with Android. At least you know your limitations. Best of luck on the X !
Note....this isn't sarcasm. Coming from a technical background, if you don't need or use the features of the note, by all means go with something simpler for you to use! My wife loves her iPhones..... I have an i7 MacBook pro and I've built several hackintosh towers. I'm not against apple but their iOS can't do what I need it to physically / technically. The note is the best of the best of the Android platform at the moment.
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I though about the X as only thing really holding back on ever getting iphone really was lack of OLED as im not into rooting and custom ROMS anymore.
Wanted X more so for game optimization but is way too much $$$ for what you get.
Glad I didn't though the note 8 *qualcomm*is huge surprise in terms of performance compared to like my note 5 that would thermal throttle way too fast and frames would drop. This phone has no noticeable thermal throttling with games so games that support 60fps run smooth and sustain performance and course you cant beat the quality of this screen my UHD mkv movies look so good on this.
denzel09 said:
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REAL multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
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No lags on any of my Touchwhiz devices

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