So I wanted to write this quick and simple tutorial on how to get utter smooth UI. it only takes 3 quick things and you'll be set.
1. Use Nova Launcher. TOUCHWIZ has come a long way but it's still not where it needs to be.
2. Under developer options make all the animations .5
3. Under developer options turn on Force GPU Rendering.
With these three things done this phone is absolutely butter smooth and runs super fast.
enzozenuni said:
So I wanted to write this quick and simple tutorial on how to get utter smooth UI. it only takes 3 quick things and you'll be set.
1. Use Nova Launcher. TOUCHWIZ has come a long way but it's still not where it needs to be.
2. Under developer options make all the animations .5
3. Under developer options turn on Force GPU Rendering.
With these three things done this phone is absolutely butter smooth and runs super fast.
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How does Force GPU Rendering speed things up?
And shouldn't the animations be 0?
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KruseLudsMobile said:
How does Force GPU Rendering speed things up?
And shouldn't the animations be 0?
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I keep em at .5 just because I like a slight animation. Force gpu I'm not sure exactly how it functions but it definitely made my phone a lot smoother.
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I keep em at .5 just because I like a slight animation. Force gpu I'm not sure exactly how it functions but it definitely made my phone a lot smoother.
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Animations were way too slow for me so, and I dialed them back to .5 actually. Thanks for the tip tho!
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You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
I'm grateful because I know someone learned something. But I thought this was pretty common.
I've been away from Samsung since note 4. Sad these devices still have that slight lag.
None of what's in the op fixes the issue in the long wrong. First thing I did when I recurved the phone but 2 months later, lag fest.
Luckily I got mine for free.
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REAL multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
herandy said:
You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
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Hello have you a link to this app please?
Haha great guide man!
It's great to see that I'm not the only person that does this!
I've been doing this ever since developer options were a thing!
That being said, i've found myself stuck to TouchWiz on this device only. It just works and i'm a little ashamed to say.. I like it.
;D
On another note, would you happen to know of a way to get the frosted app drawer look Touchwiz has on Nova?
Thanks!
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Hello have you a link to this app please?
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herandy said:
You can install system UI tuner and make the animations even faster. I set it at 0.3 now. Also make sure you disable as many things as possible, things you don't use and especially knox and secure folder.
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I installed SystemUI Tuner but use it for other things - I still prefer 0 which can be done without that tool.
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denzel09 said:
Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REALLY multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
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Same here. Not even the tiniest lag or stutter. Set my animation speed to 0.5x (I do that even on AOSP phones) and it's faster than anything. Apps load instantly. Battery life is great. Screen quality is unbelievable. Camera quality is sick. Best phone I ever had. Now when I see how many problems Pixel 2 and 2 XL has. I'm happy that I got this phone. Samsung is improving a lot. But next year I might switch to Pixel 3 XL(only if they will fix all these problems).
I think the Play Store and Chrome lag from time to time. The Samsung browser is smoother.
Mine I set it ot High Performance Mode, 0.5 transitions, force gpu rendering on 2d apps.
Well of course in exchange of battery.
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KruseLudsMobile said:
How to get a buttery smooth UI.
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This shouldn't even be up for discussion. If your touchwiz UI is not smooth on this phone maybe do a restore or check for 3rd party software utilizing your CPU in back ground. This phone doesn't need 3rd party launcher or customization to be smooth.
DrearierJester1 said:
Mine I set it ot High Performance Mode, 0.5 transitions, force gpu rendering on 2d apps.
Well of course in exchange of battery.
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Performance modes do nothing in terms of how CPU and GPU are handled all they do is mess with resolution screen brightness.
Also force GPU 2d is doing nothing for you as it was put in place long time ago for apps that didn't utilize GPU for 2d. This day age with new android and touchwiz your GPU is being used and you could test this buy enabling *show GPU view updates* in dev options and navigate your UI and you will see the screen flashes red that because your GPU is already being used
^^ Thanks for the tip. I have moved on to X.
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^^ Thanks for the tip. I have moved on to X.
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Well good for you Some people can't handle the options you get with Android. At least you know your limitations. Best of luck on the X !
Note....this isn't sarcasm. Coming from a technical background, if you don't need or use the features of the note, by all means go with something simpler for you to use! My wife loves her iPhones..... I have an i7 MacBook pro and I've built several hackintosh towers. I'm not against apple but their iOS can't do what I need it to physically / technically. The note is the best of the best of the Android platform at the moment.
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I though about the X as only thing really holding back on ever getting iphone really was lack of OLED as im not into rooting and custom ROMS anymore.
Wanted X more so for game optimization but is way too much $$$ for what you get.
Glad I didn't though the note 8 *qualcomm*is huge surprise in terms of performance compared to like my note 5 that would thermal throttle way too fast and frames would drop. This phone has no noticeable thermal throttling with games so games that support 60fps run smooth and sustain performance and course you cant beat the quality of this screen my UHD mkv movies look so good on this.
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Strange. It's the first sam smartphone that imho is W/O lags. No one. With a REAL multitasking. To start i have 3GB of free ram for ALL my apps.
No one smartphone like this.
For me this Note 8 Is the TOP. Simply ...
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No lags on any of my Touchwhiz devices
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This may have been mentioned here before, but I didn't find any threads about it.
I have been using the AT&T Note since about a week before it was available. I absolutely love my Note and it's the best phone I have owned. Lately, though, the laggy performance has been getting to me. There are little delays everywhere: Unlocking the screen, scrolling between home screens, opening messaging, etc.
Truth is, I never realized how bad it was until I started up my Skyrocket and started using it. The difference is night and day. I tried a few custom launchers, but the results are the same. I suppose it could be attributed to the higher resolution display, but the delays add up and get to be frustrating.
Seriously considering going back to my Skyrocket until ICS comes out for the Note. Anyone else have any insight? Is there something I'm missing? I'm pretty sure it's not any of the apps I have installed and I'm on stock ROM. I did notice that the available RAM is always low, even after a "clean RAM". Maybe that contributes to the overall sluggishness.
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This may have been mentioned here before, but I didn't find any threads about it.
I have been using the AT&T Note since about a week before it was available. I absolutely love my Note and it's the best phone I have owned. Lately, though, the laggy performance has been getting to me. There are little delays everywhere: Unlocking the screen, scrolling between home screens, opening messaging, etc.
Truth is, I never realized how bad it was until I started up my Skyrocket and started using it. The difference is night and day. I tried a few custom launchers, but the results are the same. I suppose it could be attributed to the higher resolution display, but the delays add up and get to be frustrating.
Seriously considering going back to my Skyrocket until ICS comes out for the Note. Anyone else have any insight? Is there something I'm missing? I'm pretty sure it's not any of the apps I have installed and I'm on stock ROM. I did notice that the available RAM is always low, even after a "clean RAM". Maybe that contributes to the overall sluggishness.
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Haven't seen any other threads about lag around here either. But mine doesn't have the issues you discuss. OC and clean off the bloat and use a new launcher. Install a custom rom. If that doesn't satisfy you, get the international version or wait for the sgs III.
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Mine was bad. Remove most system apps. Nearly everything Samsung and att. Install custom launcher, remove touch wiz, run support charger scripts, Flash custom ROM then OC KERNEL, done.
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Thanks, guys. I was hoping not to go the custom ROM route, with ICS right around the corner, but it may prove necessary. Seems like it has the same bloatware as the Skyrocket, so with both at stock, I don't understand why the Skyrocket is so much smoother with so much more free RAM.
International Note isn't an option. No way I could give up LTE. I get 40-50 Mbps download consistently where I'm at.
Note all note created equal
I'm going through 4 note I exchanged 2 of them the last 2 got is very smooth and I'm still on stock rom not root
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TSF Launcher, Launcher pro & Go Launcher. TSF has no lag, Launcher pro & Go are strange.. I'll explain.
I had my first Note, and the only Launcher pro had no lag, and not on my third note, it's go launcher that has no problems, and launcher pro lags a bit. TSF however is lag free. Dev support for TSF is terrible though.
I went through notes because of hardware issues, one the speaker busted, and the other had really bad color banding on dark screens.
I'm running go launcher, right now with little to no lag.
1.5ghz dualcore snapdragon s3 processors in both the skyrocket and note. The note has higher resolution which causes the phone to lag slightly more than the skyrocket. That is why the Exynos processor in the international is favored. If you dont want to flash a rom, try using a launcher from market. Im using launcher pro and theres less lag compared to touchwiz. Also uses less rams compared to tw.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
I'd like to see an overclocked Snapdragon Note and overclocked Exynos Note go head-to-head. See which is the better performer at top overclock.
Even after Da_g's overclock I was a little perturbed over lag when scrolling with multiple widgets. I couldn't shake the thought of ICS's gpu acceleration.
I'm now running Saurom RC4 and the 1000hp V6 Supercharger script (I'm a noob, took me about half an hour of reading and execution tonight) and it's now running very smoothly. I'll have to see wait till tomorrow if the battery will improve any with the super script but right now it's junk. ( 3.5/ 4 hours screen time, which isn't bad if I except I'm between work contracts right now, so lots of free time and use this thing as my primary device all day).
I've also reinstalled Go Launcher EX after previously turfing it over lag, I'm now loving it.
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TSF Launcher, Launcher pro & Go Launcher. TSF has no lag, Launcher pro & Go are strange.. I'll explain.
I had my first Note, and the only Launcher pro had no lag, and not on my third note, it's go launcher that has no problems, and launcher pro lags a bit. TSF however is lag free. Dev support for TSF is terrible though.
I went through notes because of hardware issues, one the speaker busted, and the other had really bad color banding on dark screens.
I'm running go launcher, right now with little to no lag.
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I have to thank you. I have had go launcher installed on previous phones and installed it on the Gnote. It made a big difference and I really like it. They've really improved go launcher since the last time I used it.
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I have to thank you. I have had go launcher installed on previous phones and installed it on the Gnote. It made a big difference and I really like it. They've really improved go launcher since the last time I used it.
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If TSF devs would get their act together I would give them 2 thumbs up, but I can't get en email reply to save my life!
Thremix said:
TSF Launcher, Launcher pro & Go Launcher. TSF has no lag, Launcher pro & Go are strange.. I'll explain.
I had my first Note, and the only Launcher pro had no lag, and not on my third note, it's go launcher that has no problems, and launcher pro lags a bit. TSF however is lag free. Dev support for TSF is terrible though.
I went through notes because of hardware issues, one the speaker busted, and the other had really bad color banding on dark screens.
I'm running go launcher, right now with little to no lag.
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So you're running STOCK with Go Launcher and you have less lag then with Touchwiz?
I had Go Launcher initially, but I don't remember it being less laggy. I did experience an extra battery drain from it, though.
I have been using my Skyrocket for a few days and it's incredibly fast compared to my note. I compared them side-by-side last night, launching the same apps and performing the same tasks and sometimes the Note would have a 1-2 second delay, where the Skyrocket would be instant.
Love the idea of the Note and the hardware, but the lag drives me nuts. I was hoping ICS would come out soon and the GUI hardware acceleration would fix it, but it looks like the update will be delayed, as usual.
you want 100% no lag, TSF Launcher.
Got my note last weekend and it has been pretty laggy at times. Last night I froze all the AT&T and Samsung bloatware. Didn't really expect any difference. I unlocked my phone for the first time and instantly noticed how smooth it was. The stock browser is much quicker than before and Touchwiz is now super smooth. I am rooted on stock kernal and ROM.
Is there a list somewhere of all the apps and processes that you can delete and stop from running? I'm all stock using Go Launcher. I wouldn't say I'm bothered by lag but I do get it occasionally. In total I have 27 applications listed under 'running'. 262MB RAM used, 354MB Free. This is immediately after reboot. Before I rebooted (calendar wouldn't open) I had about 100MB RAM free. So apparently I need to be sure to reboot occasionally to clear RAM, but I know there's much more I can do. I want to stay stock for now at least as I've only had this a week.
greyhulk said:
Love the idea of the Note and the hardware, but the lag drives me nuts. I was hoping ICS would come out soon and the GUI hardware acceleration would fix it, but it looks like the update will be delayed, as usual.
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something a custom rom could fix?
heard good things about V2
just waiting on V2 before I do my first custom rom install
If your note is laggy I would do a reset,mine got real laggy about a week after I got it,the camera would actually take 10-15 seconds to snap a photo,I reset mine about 3 weeks ago and just ran side by side test with my skyrocket,some apps the skyrocket opens a flash quicker some apps the note opens a flash quicker,the note camera is actually faster then the skyrocket camera now.
cgibsong002 said:
Is there a list somewhere of all the apps and processes that you can delete and stop from running?
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See this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1513028
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Yup, I can't believe how laggy my phone is.
Bataga said:
Yup, I can't believe how laggy my phone is.
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But you see...some people clearly do have issues. The goal is figuring out how to unlock the potential and performance like you have. Are you stock? How good can you get stock?
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I have tried every ROM available, senseless or with sense; and whenever I run Apex or Nova, the scrolling is low quality, laggy, and choppy. I've tried setting different scrolling times with no avail. Is their some sort of optimization that stock ics has that sense phones don't? I'd love to know if I can fix the issue, or at least figure out what's causing it.
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apex on nils business runs perfect for me. scroll times are set to 1
dyetheskin said:
apex on nils business runs perfect for me. scroll times are set to 1
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Guess I'm going to give Nils' rom a shot. Ill report back, thanks :3.
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dyetheskin said:
apex on nils business runs perfect for me. scroll times are set to 1
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Did you install it or push to /system/?
I've used Apex Launcher on CleanROM and am currently using it on Newts OnE XxX. I've never had a problem with it being slow/laggy/choppy on either.
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I've used Apex Launcher on CleanROM and am currently using it on Newts OnE XxX. I've never had a problem with it being slow/laggy/choppy on either.
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You beat me to it!! lol I'm using the same ROM with Apex and its smooth as butter.
Guess i should change my sig....
epsilonomega said:
I've used Apex Launcher on CleanROM and am currently using it on Newts OnE XxX. I've never had a problem with it being slow/laggy/choppy on either.
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I don't get it! I'm on One XxX and its choppy and the scrolling is very low fps.
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Insidious said:
I don't get it! I'm on One XxX and its choppy and the scrolling is very low fps.
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People's perceptions vary. It's the same for them as it is for you. They've probably never seen the launchers running at a full 60 fps on a Galaxy Nexus and have no clue they're getting subpar performance.
It seems to boil down to unimplemented acceleration for some functions in the graphics driver (if sense doesn't use it, they don't need to support it). Don't bother with the 218 drivers, either, they aren't any better.
i dont know why more people dont use nova.. its the smoothest launcher for me.
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That's why I left Apex for LauncherPro. Not ICS, but fast as hell.
I emailed the programmer for Nova and he told me it might have something to do with our leaks not including the proper 3D or graphics libraries.
I do know exactly what you mean, when flipping desktops with Sense, it looks like we get 60 frames per second and it's super smooth. With Apex, Nova or GO, it's still fast but the framerate drops down a LOT.
What's weird is that when opening the app drawer, all those launchers become really fast and really smooth. It's only when flipping desktop pages. Even with no wallpaper scroll it's choppy.
Same problem here. I tried flashing the Adreno 220 update but it lowered benchmark scores and didn't improve the responsiveness of Apex.
Guess I'm stuck with Ultrasmooth Rosie, I don't really like the Sense app drawer (neither 3.6 nor 4.0) but I'll take 60fps over 10fps.
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I emailed the programmer for Nova and he told me it might have something to do with our leaks not including the proper 3D or graphics libraries.
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My thought was that the libraries just fell back to software for some functions, and that was why it was slow. We certainly have the necessary library files, but that doesn't mean all the hooks were properly implemented.
What's weird is that when opening the app drawer, all those launchers become really fast and really smooth. It's only when flipping desktop pages. Even with no wallpaper scroll it's choppy.
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For me, the app drawer in Nova is choppy until you get to the widgets section, which is ultra smooth. Apex's app drawer is adequately fast. Both home screens are terrible, though.
This is also quite irksome for me because it also seems to affect Chrome's performance, and I'd really like to use that.
One can only hope at this stage that the official OTA is different and properly accelerates the missing drawing functions.
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People's perceptions vary. It's the same for them as it is for you. They've probably never seen the launchers running at a full 60 fps on a Galaxy Nexus and have no clue they're getting subpar performance.
It seems to boil down to unimplemented acceleration for some functions in the graphics driver (if sense doesn't use it, they don't need to support it). Don't bother with the 218 drivers, either, they aren't any better.
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Actually I have used a Galaxy Nexus, and the only thing that my Rezound does not compare too would be Jelly Bean on the Nexus. I switched things up lately though to sense 3.6 to run Tablet mode again though and I Still dont have any performance issues, Even on Apex Launcher. Both on Sense 4 and on 3.6.
Although I would agree that when running Tablet mode, Nova runs a tad choppy, but Apex is still beasting it!
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Actually I have used a Galaxy Nexus, and the only thing that my Rezound does not compare too would be Jelly Bean on the Nexus. I switched things up lately though to sense 3.6 to run Tablet mode again though and I Still dont have any performance issues, Even on Apex Launcher. Both on Sense 4 and on 3.6.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus, too, and the home screen was much smoother when scrolling. Are you saying you're getting 60 fps with your Rezound?
What about with Chrome? Is your scrolling there 60 fps or does it stutter?
I'm curious about the Droid Incredible 4g now, too. I'm wondering if it does or doesn't have this issue. I pulled the Adreno drivers from its image and tried them and it makes no difference on this phone.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus, too, and the home screen was much smoother when scrolling. Are you saying you're getting 60 fps with your Rezound?
What about with Chrome? Is your scrolling there 60 fps or does it stutter?
I'm curious about the Droid Incredible 4g now, too. I'm wondering if it does or doesn't have this issue. I pulled the Adreno drivers from its image and tried them and it makes no difference on this phone.
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So far its super smooth, I have a friend I work with too that has a Nexus and he says I did a good job setting up. We did side by sides and it keeps up very well with his ICS Nexus, then he Put JB on and I lose lol.
For Chrome I dont know, I never use it, I use stock ICS Browser or even ICS + (The Stock runs better than ICS + [Although I'm sure they are the exact same thing?]). Only issue I have is that stuff shows up kinda small since I'm running Tablet Mode now.
Also what's the purpose of the Adreno drivers? I read the thread on it a while back when they first pulled them from some other device, but dont remember what they were for.
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So far its super smooth, I have a friend I work with too that has a Nexus and he says I did a good job setting up. We did side by sides and it keeps up very well with his ICS Nexus, then he Put JB on and I lose lol.
For Chrome I dont know, I never use it, I use stock ICS Browser or even ICS + (The Stock runs better than ICS + [Although I'm sure they are the exact same thing?]). Only issue I have is that stuff shows up kinda small since I'm running Tablet Mode now.
Also what's the purpose of the Adreno drivers? I read the thread on it a while back when they first pulled them from some other device, but dont remember what they were for.
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Saying it's "super smooth" doesn't mean anything, because it might mean something different to you than us. I was looking to quantify things. If you know what 60 fps looks like, you can definitely say whether or not you're achieving that. I can say that this phone does not reach 60 fps in the cases I mentioned. A Galaxy Nexus does.
I use ICS Browser+ as well, as it doesn't seem to suffer from the stuttering issue. If you're willing to test, it's simple enough to download Chrome and check if scrolling is smooth like it is in the stock browser or ICS Browser+.
The Adreno drivers are just that: the drivers for the Adreno 200 series of graphics hardware. They are an implementation of EGL and OpenGL ES for the GPU in the phone. The theory was, being newer, that they would be faster or have improved acceleration and/or power management. From testing, I haven't seen any qualitative benefits to using anything other than the stock drivers, and people have said their benchmark numbers aren't any different, either.
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Saying it's "super smooth" doesn't mean anything, because it might mean something different to you than us. I was looking to quantify things. If you know what 60 fps looks like, you can definitely say whether or not you're achieving that. I can say that this phone does not reach 60 fps in the cases I mentioned. A Galaxy Nexus does.
I use ICS Browser+ as well, as it doesn't seem to suffer from the stuttering issue. If you're willing to test, it's simple enough to download Chrome and check if scrolling is smooth like it is in the stock browser or ICS Browser+.
The Adreno drivers are just that: the drivers for the Adreno 200 series of graphics hardware. They are an implementation of EGL and OpenGL ES for the GPU in the phone. The theory was, being newer, that they would be faster or have improved acceleration and/or power management. From testing, I haven't seen any qualitative benefits to using anything other than the stock drivers, and people have said their benchmark numbers aren't any different, either.
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I agree with you that saying Super Smooth doesnt really mean much to everyone else, but without any real method of measuring the true FPS at the moment makes it even tougher. Although I can truthfully say that it seems to be matching the smoothness of the Nexus so far, if its not a full 60fps then its pretty DARN close lol.
For Chrome I'll be testing in a few when I get out from work and I'll post what my findings are. Never used Chrome on Phone mode or Tablet mode lol.
I might try out those Drivers see if it makes it even better....ish? Although If you guys havent had much luck with your rezounds then I assume I won't have much luck either. Either way i'll Try that out too. Anyone have a link to it?
Yep, this was the main reason why I stopped using de-sensed roms with apex/nova/trebuchet and switched to sense roms. Just couldn't take the choppiness anymore
Anyone have the latest apk for chrome. I can't get it off the market. Says not compatible. Much thanks in advance
I've made a thread similar to this before but people assured me it was something i was doing wrong but despite trying everything thats been suggested to me nothing seems to work. ive had this ****ty tablet that i paid £400 for about 3 months now and im sick of it. My galaxy siii is as smooth as i can ask for, its perfect. This tablet however is a different story. the scrolling is truely horrid, i mean its so janky and stuttery and even when it dosent stutter the screen has a sort of deforming effect. I feel like either google really need to spend some time optimising this tablet or the hardware just cannot support this screen resolution. I love android and even back on my older phones with ics and froyo i found their scrolling often smoother than this ****TY TABLET. I've tried about 15 roms, 4 kernels and even tried over-clocking to about 2.0ghz, nothing. made a difference. does anyone know if gooogle is optimising this tablet? because if i see no improvements within the next month im selling this piece of junk. I dont understand how a tablet that can maintain 60 fps on a 3D game can't even manage to scroll a webpage or app drawer page without dropping frames and having janky and stuttery scrolling. I am also very sure this isnt a problem with android. as i said my phone i9300 galaxy siii handles scrolling super smooth on stock and cm10.1 so it can't be an android problem.
My main question is; Does anyone else find this tablets scrolling performance to be stuttery and janky? or do i have a dud?
Another thing i would like to say is that, the animations are perfectly smooth and in terms of app open speed and gaming performance this tablet is great. however i tend to use tablets for mostly web browsing and other 2D applications which is something that this tablet cant handle for some reason. (oh btw i have tried about 5 different browsers and i know chrome is utter **** this isnt chrome that im tlaking about)
My N10 is stock and not rooted, the only application that behaves anything like that is Firefox which can be really bad. No other issues like that at all. If your looking to resolve the problem I'd go back to basics. It's much more likely to be a software issue than anything else.
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Perhaps checking the Force GPU rendering in the developers options will help remedy the issue you are having with scrolling.
I do not have this issue when scrolling through a website =\ I do have Force GPU rendering enabled as well as Disable HW overlays checked.
before I returned my two through the play store I noticed a horrible amount of scroll "waving" while in portrait. If you have it in portrait and scroll up and down really fast you can see it big time. Even on daily normal scrolling I could see it. It really bothered me. Its too many pixles. I'd rather have uniform scrolling then the last line of pixels be a half second late compared to the first line. It's hard to explain but it is very annoying.
1920 X 1200 is probably the sweet spot right now. Anything over that is overkill and the GPU/CPU cant keep up.
Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Sorry to disappoint you but if you want a silky smooth performance go check out the iPad.
Android is just not made that way, it cannot be. iOS is always running on a device it is perfectly optimized for whereas Android has to run on no less then 4 different CPU manufacturers, not to even mention the differences within that particular chip set, then GPU, ram and screen. There are thousands of configurations Android has to support. That said, having so much support means you support the lowest and the highest of the bunch, offering a sub par experience on both.
You mention your GS3 often, just recall that the N10 is pushing over twice the resolution on a next-gen chip (read: android isn't optimized for it yet). For every 10 images on a web page loading on your GS3 there are 20 in higher resolution. You can see the issue.
Its no different then the age old battle of Winblows vs OSX. OSX is built for one architecture, one series of chips. Windows has to be run on thousands of configurations. A Windows PC will never be as smooth as a OSX device, even though the OSX device may have lower specs. On a OS level thats what you will always battle against. Windows and Android share the same issue. Also that's why Windows Mobile is so buttery, they only support a small chip set base.
Games are a little different, they can neglect the lower rung of devices and shoot for the Tegra or high end Snapdragons and Exynos. Hence why the N10 is so spectacular on this level.
So to sum it all up, if you want smoothness throughout the OS you need full optimization. Android in its base state cannot offer that and unless Android changes it will never. Samsung optimizes its Touchwiz systems to a large extent and that gives better performance. But in the flip side, the time it takes to optimize it is taken by delaying releases and not being current on the builds of Android.
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Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
try the eos rom, i think it smooth, stable.... it also keeps running smooth after days of use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2178128
also in developer options there are 3 things i change on every rom down to. 5:
window animation scale
transition animation scale
animation duration scale
only web pg that doesnt seem to be smooth is 9 gag.
i keep my browser in desktop mode always.
bummer u have a bad taste from it, i find it to be a great hardware, but i like to tweak on it alot.
You are not the only one, check this video, N10 is not as smooth as the ipad or surface, go to min 5.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI53tTXcPY8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
stock and boat browser made things much better for me, never use chrome.
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Except I have a Galaxy Note 2 which is just as smooth as my iPad 3 was. This is nowhere close to as smooth as either device.
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Again, this is an A15 w/2x the pixels to push
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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I'm using the Ocean browser and scrolling is very smooth. So, maybe its inefficient apps?
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That would be an excuse if this tablet wasn't designed by Google. Google was in charge of optimizing. They had to do it.
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Thaz the thing about software it can always be edited with new optimization and thus improve it. Its still a work in progress. Android always has been
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Settings -> developer options -> ( check ) force GPU rendering
Little more batt life drain I think ...
If you want good browsers :
(Smoothest)
Naked browser
AOKP browser
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Like every android device out there you just need to tweak the min free values to make it smoother. A good ROM/kernel combo helps too.
Add these lines to an init.d file:
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
chmod 775 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
echo "0,1,3,7,11,15" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj;
echo "16384,20480,25600,51200,76800,102400" > /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree;
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/adj
chmod 644 /sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
Where do I find the init.d file?
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Where do I find the init.d file?
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Web browsing mostly also, here's...
the steps which have my n10 scrolling smoothly...
1. Start with tablet stock, locked, and setup complete.
2. Unlock and root tablet by preferred method and create nandroid backup. (May require understanding/knowledge of how to get out of bootloop)
3. Go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if required) and install Quick Boot.
4. Install preferred custom Recovery (TWRP is mine)
5. Download preferred custom ROM, gapps ( I prefer a minimum package like Rascarlo's), and kernel. (See mine in signature).
6. Use Quick Boot to boot into recovery, wipe cache, factory reset, then system. I just do...
7. Install ROM, wipe cache and dalvik, install kernel, then gapps. Again, I just do...
8. Reboot system.
9. Set up tablet then go to Play Store and update SuperSu (if needed).
10. Download and install BusyBox.
11. Update, install, and setup required/preferred apps from Play Store (AdAway and Naked Browser required for my tablet!)
12. Go into Settings and clean/disable everything under each setting I don't require or need for my tablet to web browse.
13. Boot into Recovery and "fix permissions".
14. Reboot system, set governor parameters, and enjoy!
This has worked for me without issue, can't/won't guaranty my results for others so use at own risk! :laugh:
My scrolling is good. I'm just on rooted stock 4.2.2. But then again, I may just not be as picky as other people.
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No problem here, my Nexus10 is running fast and smooth. CM10.1 no mods, with Dolphin as browser.
Paranoid Android + KToonsez kernel = silky smooth scrolling.
One flick will scroll top to bottom ANY page I have came across and it is VERY smooth.
Try one of the custom roms / kernels for this device and you will change your mind.
Hey guys,
Are there any Galaxy Mega users going back to the Note 2? I went back after using the Mega 6.3 for around 2 weeks and I gotta tell ya, I'm happy I went back.
The Mega feels so slow and laggy, I'm constantly finding myself having to clear the RAM and close all tasks just to speed things up.
Swiping left to right always have a slight lag, opening the app draw has lag, heck even returning via home button is laggy. Exiting Apps like the browser seems to drop the animation of exiting it down to like 20fps.
Everything just feels like it stutters and lags, the phone feels like it's constantly crawling and the "pinch-in" lag is back too.
Don't get me wrong I love this phone, mostly for it size but in no way is it a bad phone. But I am slightly disappointed a phone with a processor that has similar instructions A15 isn't 100% smooth.
I've seen alot of you guy say you have a buttery smooth Mega, I wish my was the same, but it's far from buttery.
All in all, I'm happy I went back to the Galaxy Note 2, it feels so much faster and smoother.
just my few pennies.
P.S - Forgot my username and email address so had to make a new acount, doh!
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Hey guys,
Are there any Galaxy Mega users going back to the Note 2? I went back after using the Mega 6.3 for around 2 weeks and I gotta tenotificationappy I went back.
The Mega feels so slow and laggy, I'm constantly finding myself having to clear the RAM and close all tasks just to speed things up.
Swiping left to right always have a slight lag, opening the app draw has lag, heck even returning via home button is laggy. Exiting Apps like the browser seems to drop the animation of exiting it down to like 20fps.
Everything just feels like it stutters and lags, the phone feels like it's constantly crawling and the "pinch-in" lag is back too.
Don't get me wrong I love this phone, mostly for it size but in no way is it a bad phone. But I am slightly disappointed a phone with a processor that has similar instructions A15 isn't 100% smooth.
I've seen alot of you guy say you have a buttery smooth Mega, I wish my was the same, but it's far from buttery.
All in all, I'm happy I went back to the Galaxy Note 2, it feels so much faster and smoother.
just my few pennies.
P.S - Forgot my username and email address so had to make a new acount, doh!
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I hear you. The only slowness I am experiencing is the android notification bar. But its getting progressively worse. I disabled all animations and it sped the notification for a little but but now it's slow again. The device is very snappy but the ridiculously slow notification bar swipe is unacceptable. I am waiting for the Note 3 now......
sorry to hear you are having poor performance. Again I've only experienced iit when swyping down on the notification bar.
Hmmm I've been playing with my mega a week. I should of put that better ha .
It is a bit laggy n jerky now and again. But for £300 I'm really impressed and it exceeds my needs. Especially with screen size, design and how slim it is.
I'm selling my note 2 on eBay. And staying with the mega 6.3.
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Hmmm I've been playing with my mega a week. I should of put that better ha .
It is a bit laggy n jerky now and again. But for £300 I'm really impressed and it exceeds my needs. Especially with screen size, design and how slim it is.
I'm selling my note 2 on eBay. And staying with the mega 6.3.
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I'm positive that a software update will fix the lags. I feel like Samsung rushed the software for the Mega 6.3 that's why it's not that optimized for the processor.
I own both Note II and Mega 6.3 I9205. The slowdown you mentioned has got something to do with samsung launcher and the rom itself. Update
the ROM to the latest version available. I think that was XXUAMG4 or better yet download the customized one available in this forum (android development). The mega launcher was entirely different from GS4 and Note2. It support landscape mode and the built-in widget resizes accordingly.
I think this was taken from touchwiz tablets. Try to use Nova Launcher instead, then see if you still experience noticeable slowdowns. My mega 6.3 is butter-smooth with Nova launcher. I have never experienced any slowdowns at all, and will never go back to samsung's laggy default laucher. Also try to enable "Force GPU rendering" in the Developer's Section settings. Do not under-estimate power of Snapdragon 400 vs Exynos 4212. It's a hell lot faster in FPU. In fact in most benchmark, its faster than note 2 specially the graphics department. I confirmed this using the latest 3DMark. Dual-core vs quad-core does not make sense anymore. The CPU architecture is what really matters.
Also, the 1.5GB ram is more than enough for daily tablet/phone use. That includes gaming. My Nexus 7 is very fast running JB 4.3 with only 1GB of ram. My Windows 7 Pro netbook, which am using right now, only comes with 1GB of ram but still perform quite decently in multitasking considering that Windows 7 has got more bloatwares in it that Android JB and IOS combined.
I also use Nova Launcher and never had any slowdowns. I find my Mega smoother than my Nexus 7 and my original Note on custom ROM.
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I own both Note II and Mega 6.3 I9205. The slowdown you mentioned has got something to do with samsung launcher and the rom itself. Update
the ROM to the latest version available. I think that was XXUAMG4 or better yet download the customized one available in this forum (android development). The mega launcher was entirely different from GS4 and Note2. It support landscape mode and the built-in widget resizes accordingly.
I think this was taken from touchwiz tablets. Try to use Nova Launcher instead, then see if you still experience noticeable slowdowns. My mega 6.3 is butter-smooth with Nova launcher. I have never experienced any slowdowns at all, and will never go back to samsung's laggy default laucher. Also try to enable "Force GPU rendering" in the Developer's Section settings. Do not under-estimate power of Snapdragon 400 vs Exynos 4212. It's a hell lot faster in FPU. In fact in most benchmark, its faster than note 2 specially the graphics department. I confirmed this using the latest 3DMark. Dual-core vs quad-core does not make sense anymore. The CPU architecture is what really matters.
Also, the 1.5GB ram is more than enough for daily tablet/phone use. That includes gaming. My Nexus 7 is very fast running JB 4.3 with only 1GB of ram. My Windows 7 Pro netbook, which am using right now, only comes with 1GB of ram but still perform quite decently in multitasking considering that Windows 7 has got more bloatwares in it that Android JB and IOS combined.
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Thanks, I'll have to update it then because right now, whether it's the launcher or ROM it's ruining the experience.
I tried Nova Launcher and it was equally as bad if not worse the Touchwiz, it was still jerky and laggy.
And I agree, the benchmarks for the Snapdragon 400 are great and beat the Exynos 4 alot, but for me personally at the moment in terms of everyday use the Note 2's performance is so much better and smooth. I'd really like to keep the Mega, but unless the performance improves dramatically within a new update then I'll be keeping the Note 2. I'll try a custom ROM and the latest update, fingers crossed.
I experienced the slow notification bar and I was running ADW launcher. I disabled animations and it still was slow. I returned my Mega because of this. It was a total deal breaker.
Yes your right it lags sometimes
But thats why I am waiting CM team hopefully or anyone to build AOKP or CM or AOSP
When it reaches the mega it will be awesome
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I have been thinking about going back, but i think i'm gonna sit it out till the Note III gets released.
The Mega has it's slow points now but i trust in samsung fixing some in the upcomming updates.
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I have been thinking about going back, but i think i'm gonna sit it out till the Note III gets released.
The Mega has it's slow points now but i trust in samsung fixing some in the upcomming updates.
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And maybe CM coming over on the big screen ^^
I don't know exactly why some mega 6.3 owners experienced some significant slowdowns.
Maybe because of the ff:
1. Outdated ROM. Try to install the latest available rom even if its not for your country (XXUAMG4).
2. Stock launcher from samsung. Use Nova launcher or any other payware launcher of your choice.
3. Use Seeder program. I may help speed things up.
4. Flash stock kernel after rooting and stop using vcore2 kernel
5. You may have a faulty slow microSD.
6. Some other apps you have installed maybe affecting your otherwise speedy JB 4.2.2
Both have snapdragon 800 clocked at similar speed, so why the difference ? Touchwiz is better optimized than LG UI ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kL9VVX_5xg
Btw, the Note 3 is faster than G2 on the weather app, and not vice versa.
Btw2, that GMD hide keys solution is annoying as hell.
Noam23 said:
Both have snapdragon 800 clocked at similar speed, so why the difference ? Touchwiz is better optimized than LG UI ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kL9VVX_5xg
Btw, that GMD hide keys solution is annoying as hell.
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3 GB of ram vs 2 GB maybe?
btw how is the auto hide annoying, just configure it how you like it
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
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3 GB of ram vs 2 GB maybe?
btw how is the auto hide annoying, just configure it how you like it
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I find it hard to believe that it's the RAM. In the first test he always close the program after loading it, so RAM is not a bottleneck on any of these devices.
Regarding GMD, it's annoying to swipe it up everytime you want to press a nav key. It's so cumbersome. I think that I will go with either gestures, or a smaller nav panel.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/state-of-cheating-in-android-benchmarks
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What is the point of your link ?
The link that I gave shows the Note 3 faster in real-world applications (opening apps), not stupid benchmarks...
lol I played with both and I did not see note3 faster
He has the international. Am I correct to different processors
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The note 3 runs 4.3 which is MUCH smoother than 4.2.2
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I also played with note 3 and ended up choosing G2
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That extra gig of ram definitely makes a difference
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I find it hard to believe that it's the RAM. In the first test he always close the program after loading it, so RAM is not a bottleneck on any of these devices.
Regarding GMD, it's annoying to swipe it up everytime you want to press a nav key. It's so cumbersome. I think that I will go with either gestures, or a smaller nav panel.
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the nice thing about root is if you don't like it don't use it. I love having my keys hidden, you don't. We both can make it happen the way we want. BTW UDN is a MUCH better app than GMD. You can add as many buttons as you want, change the disappearing time color and the list is endless... SO much
Ram does make a difference but like stated above 4.3 is very nice and smooth. LG G2 wins IMO because I love IPS over AMOLED. Plus the UI looks better IMO than samsung
I don't really like these types of tests. The note3 only appears to be a tick faster...sometimes. For all we know he could be hitting the app faster on the note 3.
Benchmarks are completely useless. The fact that tech blogs keep stressing the importance of benchmarks is absolute sin. I stopped paying attention to these a long long time ago. If you buy a phone based on benchmarks vs. your personal user experience then you have problem. At the end of the day, everyone chooses their smartphone based on how they like the product build and user experience and not whether the benchmark gives 20000 vs. 19000. Big freaking whoop!!!
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lol I played with both and I did not see note3 faster
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This! !!! Lol
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What is the point of your link ?
The link that I gave shows the Note 3 faster in real-world applications (opening apps), not stupid benchmarks...
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Well if all you are looking at is app opening speed then the system IO would have more to do with it than anything, and the CPU would be second most important. I don't know if the Snapdragon chipset has its own integrated flash controller or not, but Samsung makes the best flash controllers in the world so it wouldn't surprise me if the Note 3 is using a different controller than the G2.
Ad to that part that Android 4.3 is better optimized in the subsystems than 4.2.2 is and that is another advantage for the Note 3. Plus we have no idea how the ROM is configured for caching of files in the background so maybe that extra gig of RAM is being put to use so some of the files are already loaded in memory which makes the loading of apps faster.
lol @ samsung's touchwiz being faster than any other manufactorers UI post-ICS.
tw isn't optimized for JB at all. it was so much quicker/faster on ICS. the S3 was an AMAZING phone...when it was on ICS. once JB hit, it became laggy and awful, and the GS4 followed suit.
sure, one small app opening could be a little quicker due to animations etc, but in the long run, touchwiz bogs down and becomes a horrible lag-unit. i've seen teh videos of the Note 3, and it all seems to lag just as bad as the GS4 does.
lg's UI is much speedier, quicker, and all around more responsive than touchwiz.
I've got both.. and I can honestly tell you the I like the G2 more
I've got both from t-mobile right now and i'm almost sad to say I like the the G2 better. It seems speedier and just overall smoother for everyday use. I've even been experiencing force-closes on some apps with the note. The only reason I have the note 3 is for the screen real estate but.. the sad truth is that it doesn't live up to my expectations. The IPS screen is definitely clearer and I experience more lag with the Note 3 by far. People need to stop ragging on LG's interface because touchwiz really isn't any better.
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lol @ samsung's touchwiz being faster than any other manufactorers UI post-ICS.
tw isn't optimized for JB at all. it was so much quicker/faster on ICS. the S3 was an AMAZING phone...when it was on ICS. once JB hit, it became laggy and awful, and the GS4 followed suit.
sure, one small app opening could be a little quicker due to animations etc, but in the long run, touchwiz bogs down and becomes a horrible lag-unit. i've seen teh videos of the Note 3, and it all seems to lag just as bad as the GS4 does.
lg's UI is much speedier, quicker, and all around more responsive than touchwiz.
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You hit it on the head. Note 3 faster than the G2? LOL, joke of the year.
Go through a normal day using both UI's and you will find out that the G2 is much faster in day to day use.
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This! !!! Lol
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What? I also messed around with both and definitely prefer the G2 & the note screen doesn't come close.
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Noam23 said:
Both have snapdragon 800 clocked at similar speed, so why the difference ? Touchwiz is better optimized than LG UI ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kL9VVX_5xg
Btw, the Note 3 is faster than G2 on the weather app, and not vice versa.
Btw2, that GMD hide keys solution is annoying as hell.
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Use this to completely hide keys https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mrbimc.udn.lite
and use THIS and configure your own navbar with pie http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150