I have tried every ROM available, senseless or with sense; and whenever I run Apex or Nova, the scrolling is low quality, laggy, and choppy. I've tried setting different scrolling times with no avail. Is their some sort of optimization that stock ics has that sense phones don't? I'd love to know if I can fix the issue, or at least figure out what's causing it.
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apex on nils business runs perfect for me. scroll times are set to 1
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apex on nils business runs perfect for me. scroll times are set to 1
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Guess I'm going to give Nils' rom a shot. Ill report back, thanks :3.
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apex on nils business runs perfect for me. scroll times are set to 1
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Did you install it or push to /system/?
I've used Apex Launcher on CleanROM and am currently using it on Newts OnE XxX. I've never had a problem with it being slow/laggy/choppy on either.
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I've used Apex Launcher on CleanROM and am currently using it on Newts OnE XxX. I've never had a problem with it being slow/laggy/choppy on either.
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You beat me to it!! lol I'm using the same ROM with Apex and its smooth as butter.
Guess i should change my sig....
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I've used Apex Launcher on CleanROM and am currently using it on Newts OnE XxX. I've never had a problem with it being slow/laggy/choppy on either.
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I don't get it! I'm on One XxX and its choppy and the scrolling is very low fps.
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I don't get it! I'm on One XxX and its choppy and the scrolling is very low fps.
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People's perceptions vary. It's the same for them as it is for you. They've probably never seen the launchers running at a full 60 fps on a Galaxy Nexus and have no clue they're getting subpar performance.
It seems to boil down to unimplemented acceleration for some functions in the graphics driver (if sense doesn't use it, they don't need to support it). Don't bother with the 218 drivers, either, they aren't any better.
i dont know why more people dont use nova.. its the smoothest launcher for me.
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That's why I left Apex for LauncherPro. Not ICS, but fast as hell.
I emailed the programmer for Nova and he told me it might have something to do with our leaks not including the proper 3D or graphics libraries.
I do know exactly what you mean, when flipping desktops with Sense, it looks like we get 60 frames per second and it's super smooth. With Apex, Nova or GO, it's still fast but the framerate drops down a LOT.
What's weird is that when opening the app drawer, all those launchers become really fast and really smooth. It's only when flipping desktop pages. Even with no wallpaper scroll it's choppy.
Same problem here. I tried flashing the Adreno 220 update but it lowered benchmark scores and didn't improve the responsiveness of Apex.
Guess I'm stuck with Ultrasmooth Rosie, I don't really like the Sense app drawer (neither 3.6 nor 4.0) but I'll take 60fps over 10fps.
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I emailed the programmer for Nova and he told me it might have something to do with our leaks not including the proper 3D or graphics libraries.
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My thought was that the libraries just fell back to software for some functions, and that was why it was slow. We certainly have the necessary library files, but that doesn't mean all the hooks were properly implemented.
What's weird is that when opening the app drawer, all those launchers become really fast and really smooth. It's only when flipping desktop pages. Even with no wallpaper scroll it's choppy.
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For me, the app drawer in Nova is choppy until you get to the widgets section, which is ultra smooth. Apex's app drawer is adequately fast. Both home screens are terrible, though.
This is also quite irksome for me because it also seems to affect Chrome's performance, and I'd really like to use that.
One can only hope at this stage that the official OTA is different and properly accelerates the missing drawing functions.
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People's perceptions vary. It's the same for them as it is for you. They've probably never seen the launchers running at a full 60 fps on a Galaxy Nexus and have no clue they're getting subpar performance.
It seems to boil down to unimplemented acceleration for some functions in the graphics driver (if sense doesn't use it, they don't need to support it). Don't bother with the 218 drivers, either, they aren't any better.
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Actually I have used a Galaxy Nexus, and the only thing that my Rezound does not compare too would be Jelly Bean on the Nexus. I switched things up lately though to sense 3.6 to run Tablet mode again though and I Still dont have any performance issues, Even on Apex Launcher. Both on Sense 4 and on 3.6.
Although I would agree that when running Tablet mode, Nova runs a tad choppy, but Apex is still beasting it!
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Actually I have used a Galaxy Nexus, and the only thing that my Rezound does not compare too would be Jelly Bean on the Nexus. I switched things up lately though to sense 3.6 to run Tablet mode again though and I Still dont have any performance issues, Even on Apex Launcher. Both on Sense 4 and on 3.6.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus, too, and the home screen was much smoother when scrolling. Are you saying you're getting 60 fps with your Rezound?
What about with Chrome? Is your scrolling there 60 fps or does it stutter?
I'm curious about the Droid Incredible 4g now, too. I'm wondering if it does or doesn't have this issue. I pulled the Adreno drivers from its image and tried them and it makes no difference on this phone.
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I had a Galaxy Nexus, too, and the home screen was much smoother when scrolling. Are you saying you're getting 60 fps with your Rezound?
What about with Chrome? Is your scrolling there 60 fps or does it stutter?
I'm curious about the Droid Incredible 4g now, too. I'm wondering if it does or doesn't have this issue. I pulled the Adreno drivers from its image and tried them and it makes no difference on this phone.
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So far its super smooth, I have a friend I work with too that has a Nexus and he says I did a good job setting up. We did side by sides and it keeps up very well with his ICS Nexus, then he Put JB on and I lose lol.
For Chrome I dont know, I never use it, I use stock ICS Browser or even ICS + (The Stock runs better than ICS + [Although I'm sure they are the exact same thing?]). Only issue I have is that stuff shows up kinda small since I'm running Tablet Mode now.
Also what's the purpose of the Adreno drivers? I read the thread on it a while back when they first pulled them from some other device, but dont remember what they were for.
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So far its super smooth, I have a friend I work with too that has a Nexus and he says I did a good job setting up. We did side by sides and it keeps up very well with his ICS Nexus, then he Put JB on and I lose lol.
For Chrome I dont know, I never use it, I use stock ICS Browser or even ICS + (The Stock runs better than ICS + [Although I'm sure they are the exact same thing?]). Only issue I have is that stuff shows up kinda small since I'm running Tablet Mode now.
Also what's the purpose of the Adreno drivers? I read the thread on it a while back when they first pulled them from some other device, but dont remember what they were for.
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Saying it's "super smooth" doesn't mean anything, because it might mean something different to you than us. I was looking to quantify things. If you know what 60 fps looks like, you can definitely say whether or not you're achieving that. I can say that this phone does not reach 60 fps in the cases I mentioned. A Galaxy Nexus does.
I use ICS Browser+ as well, as it doesn't seem to suffer from the stuttering issue. If you're willing to test, it's simple enough to download Chrome and check if scrolling is smooth like it is in the stock browser or ICS Browser+.
The Adreno drivers are just that: the drivers for the Adreno 200 series of graphics hardware. They are an implementation of EGL and OpenGL ES for the GPU in the phone. The theory was, being newer, that they would be faster or have improved acceleration and/or power management. From testing, I haven't seen any qualitative benefits to using anything other than the stock drivers, and people have said their benchmark numbers aren't any different, either.
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Saying it's "super smooth" doesn't mean anything, because it might mean something different to you than us. I was looking to quantify things. If you know what 60 fps looks like, you can definitely say whether or not you're achieving that. I can say that this phone does not reach 60 fps in the cases I mentioned. A Galaxy Nexus does.
I use ICS Browser+ as well, as it doesn't seem to suffer from the stuttering issue. If you're willing to test, it's simple enough to download Chrome and check if scrolling is smooth like it is in the stock browser or ICS Browser+.
The Adreno drivers are just that: the drivers for the Adreno 200 series of graphics hardware. They are an implementation of EGL and OpenGL ES for the GPU in the phone. The theory was, being newer, that they would be faster or have improved acceleration and/or power management. From testing, I haven't seen any qualitative benefits to using anything other than the stock drivers, and people have said their benchmark numbers aren't any different, either.
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I agree with you that saying Super Smooth doesnt really mean much to everyone else, but without any real method of measuring the true FPS at the moment makes it even tougher. Although I can truthfully say that it seems to be matching the smoothness of the Nexus so far, if its not a full 60fps then its pretty DARN close lol.
For Chrome I'll be testing in a few when I get out from work and I'll post what my findings are. Never used Chrome on Phone mode or Tablet mode lol.
I might try out those Drivers see if it makes it even better....ish? Although If you guys havent had much luck with your rezounds then I assume I won't have much luck either. Either way i'll Try that out too. Anyone have a link to it?
Yep, this was the main reason why I stopped using de-sensed roms with apex/nova/trebuchet and switched to sense roms. Just couldn't take the choppiness anymore
Anyone have the latest apk for chrome. I can't get it off the market. Says not compatible. Much thanks in advance
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This may have been mentioned here before, but I didn't find any threads about it.
I have been using the AT&T Note since about a week before it was available. I absolutely love my Note and it's the best phone I have owned. Lately, though, the laggy performance has been getting to me. There are little delays everywhere: Unlocking the screen, scrolling between home screens, opening messaging, etc.
Truth is, I never realized how bad it was until I started up my Skyrocket and started using it. The difference is night and day. I tried a few custom launchers, but the results are the same. I suppose it could be attributed to the higher resolution display, but the delays add up and get to be frustrating.
Seriously considering going back to my Skyrocket until ICS comes out for the Note. Anyone else have any insight? Is there something I'm missing? I'm pretty sure it's not any of the apps I have installed and I'm on stock ROM. I did notice that the available RAM is always low, even after a "clean RAM". Maybe that contributes to the overall sluggishness.
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This may have been mentioned here before, but I didn't find any threads about it.
I have been using the AT&T Note since about a week before it was available. I absolutely love my Note and it's the best phone I have owned. Lately, though, the laggy performance has been getting to me. There are little delays everywhere: Unlocking the screen, scrolling between home screens, opening messaging, etc.
Truth is, I never realized how bad it was until I started up my Skyrocket and started using it. The difference is night and day. I tried a few custom launchers, but the results are the same. I suppose it could be attributed to the higher resolution display, but the delays add up and get to be frustrating.
Seriously considering going back to my Skyrocket until ICS comes out for the Note. Anyone else have any insight? Is there something I'm missing? I'm pretty sure it's not any of the apps I have installed and I'm on stock ROM. I did notice that the available RAM is always low, even after a "clean RAM". Maybe that contributes to the overall sluggishness.
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Haven't seen any other threads about lag around here either. But mine doesn't have the issues you discuss. OC and clean off the bloat and use a new launcher. Install a custom rom. If that doesn't satisfy you, get the international version or wait for the sgs III.
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Mine was bad. Remove most system apps. Nearly everything Samsung and att. Install custom launcher, remove touch wiz, run support charger scripts, Flash custom ROM then OC KERNEL, done.
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Thanks, guys. I was hoping not to go the custom ROM route, with ICS right around the corner, but it may prove necessary. Seems like it has the same bloatware as the Skyrocket, so with both at stock, I don't understand why the Skyrocket is so much smoother with so much more free RAM.
International Note isn't an option. No way I could give up LTE. I get 40-50 Mbps download consistently where I'm at.
Note all note created equal
I'm going through 4 note I exchanged 2 of them the last 2 got is very smooth and I'm still on stock rom not root
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TSF Launcher, Launcher pro & Go Launcher. TSF has no lag, Launcher pro & Go are strange.. I'll explain.
I had my first Note, and the only Launcher pro had no lag, and not on my third note, it's go launcher that has no problems, and launcher pro lags a bit. TSF however is lag free. Dev support for TSF is terrible though.
I went through notes because of hardware issues, one the speaker busted, and the other had really bad color banding on dark screens.
I'm running go launcher, right now with little to no lag.
1.5ghz dualcore snapdragon s3 processors in both the skyrocket and note. The note has higher resolution which causes the phone to lag slightly more than the skyrocket. That is why the Exynos processor in the international is favored. If you dont want to flash a rom, try using a launcher from market. Im using launcher pro and theres less lag compared to touchwiz. Also uses less rams compared to tw.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
I'd like to see an overclocked Snapdragon Note and overclocked Exynos Note go head-to-head. See which is the better performer at top overclock.
Even after Da_g's overclock I was a little perturbed over lag when scrolling with multiple widgets. I couldn't shake the thought of ICS's gpu acceleration.
I'm now running Saurom RC4 and the 1000hp V6 Supercharger script (I'm a noob, took me about half an hour of reading and execution tonight) and it's now running very smoothly. I'll have to see wait till tomorrow if the battery will improve any with the super script but right now it's junk. ( 3.5/ 4 hours screen time, which isn't bad if I except I'm between work contracts right now, so lots of free time and use this thing as my primary device all day).
I've also reinstalled Go Launcher EX after previously turfing it over lag, I'm now loving it.
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TSF Launcher, Launcher pro & Go Launcher. TSF has no lag, Launcher pro & Go are strange.. I'll explain.
I had my first Note, and the only Launcher pro had no lag, and not on my third note, it's go launcher that has no problems, and launcher pro lags a bit. TSF however is lag free. Dev support for TSF is terrible though.
I went through notes because of hardware issues, one the speaker busted, and the other had really bad color banding on dark screens.
I'm running go launcher, right now with little to no lag.
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I have to thank you. I have had go launcher installed on previous phones and installed it on the Gnote. It made a big difference and I really like it. They've really improved go launcher since the last time I used it.
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I have to thank you. I have had go launcher installed on previous phones and installed it on the Gnote. It made a big difference and I really like it. They've really improved go launcher since the last time I used it.
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If TSF devs would get their act together I would give them 2 thumbs up, but I can't get en email reply to save my life!
Thremix said:
TSF Launcher, Launcher pro & Go Launcher. TSF has no lag, Launcher pro & Go are strange.. I'll explain.
I had my first Note, and the only Launcher pro had no lag, and not on my third note, it's go launcher that has no problems, and launcher pro lags a bit. TSF however is lag free. Dev support for TSF is terrible though.
I went through notes because of hardware issues, one the speaker busted, and the other had really bad color banding on dark screens.
I'm running go launcher, right now with little to no lag.
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So you're running STOCK with Go Launcher and you have less lag then with Touchwiz?
I had Go Launcher initially, but I don't remember it being less laggy. I did experience an extra battery drain from it, though.
I have been using my Skyrocket for a few days and it's incredibly fast compared to my note. I compared them side-by-side last night, launching the same apps and performing the same tasks and sometimes the Note would have a 1-2 second delay, where the Skyrocket would be instant.
Love the idea of the Note and the hardware, but the lag drives me nuts. I was hoping ICS would come out soon and the GUI hardware acceleration would fix it, but it looks like the update will be delayed, as usual.
you want 100% no lag, TSF Launcher.
Got my note last weekend and it has been pretty laggy at times. Last night I froze all the AT&T and Samsung bloatware. Didn't really expect any difference. I unlocked my phone for the first time and instantly noticed how smooth it was. The stock browser is much quicker than before and Touchwiz is now super smooth. I am rooted on stock kernal and ROM.
Is there a list somewhere of all the apps and processes that you can delete and stop from running? I'm all stock using Go Launcher. I wouldn't say I'm bothered by lag but I do get it occasionally. In total I have 27 applications listed under 'running'. 262MB RAM used, 354MB Free. This is immediately after reboot. Before I rebooted (calendar wouldn't open) I had about 100MB RAM free. So apparently I need to be sure to reboot occasionally to clear RAM, but I know there's much more I can do. I want to stay stock for now at least as I've only had this a week.
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Love the idea of the Note and the hardware, but the lag drives me nuts. I was hoping ICS would come out soon and the GUI hardware acceleration would fix it, but it looks like the update will be delayed, as usual.
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something a custom rom could fix?
heard good things about V2
just waiting on V2 before I do my first custom rom install
If your note is laggy I would do a reset,mine got real laggy about a week after I got it,the camera would actually take 10-15 seconds to snap a photo,I reset mine about 3 weeks ago and just ran side by side test with my skyrocket,some apps the skyrocket opens a flash quicker some apps the note opens a flash quicker,the note camera is actually faster then the skyrocket camera now.
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Is there a list somewhere of all the apps and processes that you can delete and stop from running?
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See this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1513028
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Yup, I can't believe how laggy my phone is.
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Yup, I can't believe how laggy my phone is.
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But you see...some people clearly do have issues. The goal is figuring out how to unlock the potential and performance like you have. Are you stock? How good can you get stock?
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i have a valid question for you guys. every ice cream rom ive tried has given me significant lag/choppiness and heats up my rezound. now today i played with both a gnexus at verizon and a htc one x at at&t and it was smooth as butter. is our issues because of no ota or kernel source? just curious as to what you guys think?
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i have a valid question for you guys. every ice cream rom ive tried has given me significant lag/choppiness and heats up my rezound. now today i played with both a gnexus at verizon and a htc one x at at&t and it was smooth as butter. is our issues because of no ota or kernel source? just curious as to what you guys think?
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Both I would take a very educated guess in saying. no OTA means it is a work in progress and no kernel source means that the kernels aren't really tweaked out for the ROMs they are running....
my guess is sense bogs us down a good bit. also ics is coded for the gnex.
Without kernel source, we're stuck with what the leak has. From what I've read, that is not good.
I'm sticking with GB until we have source...GB flies for me!
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my guess is sense bogs us down a good bit. also ics is coded for the gnex.
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Yeah, Sense 3.5/.6 are steaming piles of laggy crap, but 4.0 seems really nice.
I have official ics on my unrooted galaxy tab 2. It has the touchwiz overlay but is still superfast. I was worried too that ICS was slow until I got this. I think the omap processor is a better performer on average than a qualcomm too, but not by much.
If you are running the gb kernel and firmware it is hit or miss with ics roms for the rezound. GB will always be faster if running gb firmware and kernel. I hope that the ics kernel is fixed when we get the official ics update and that sense doesnt bog things down. We really need htc to release kernel source and firmware in order to have a solid base for ics roms imo. I love Rez Rom Sense 3.6 ICS though, runs pretty good even on old firmware.
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I'm sticking with GB until we have source...GB flies for me!
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GB flies for me too, even running a sense ROM.
I always chuckle when people post how "slow and laggy" sense is.
I get absolutely zero lag running sense 3.5 and figure those posters are probably clueless on how to correctly set up their system.......
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Yeah, Sense 3.5/.6 are steaming piles of laggy crap, but 4.0 seems really nice.
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Actually for me all of the sense 4.0 ports were super laggy. I can say gb seems more fluid but the battery life still stinks on my rezound. That one x is really a nice device but im thinking this may be my last htc. I havent had good luck with the brand.
Thanks for the responses guys.
ICS doesn't lag for me ever, but I dig the Senseless roms for the looks, and indeed, Sense 4.0 isn't optimized for us yet.
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GB flies for me too, even running a sense ROM.
I always chuckle when people post how "slow and laggy" sense is.
I get absolutely zero lag running sense 3.5 and figure those posters are probably clueless on how to correctly set up their system.......
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when i went from a sense rom to an aosp rom on my inc2 i noticed a big difference in speed. sense definitely affects things.
ics runs great for me on 3.5/3.6 and on 4.0 its great as well... i have no problems at all
I don't get all these people who have all the battery and heating problems. I think it is user error. I have better battery and better signal since I upgraded to ICS CleanROM.
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I don't get all these people who have all the battery and heating problems. I think it is user error. I have better battery and better signal since I upgraded to ICS CleanROM.
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Agreed, if there were such a range in hardware that some overheated while others were great, I'd expect that HTC's quality control was so bad that half the units that were produced wouldn't even power up. Always get a kick out reading about someone who has warrantied a couple of phones then in the next breath says "I'm running "xyz" kernel and OC'd...
Anyway, would you mind sharing your setup Gray? It might help others to know what a working ICS setup is. What Kernel, Radios and other specifics are you running.
What I find is interesting is that with my first rezound I had a horrible experience when I flashed the ICS leak. Extreme overheating, even worse battery life, but it was nothing that I could have done. It was the radios on some hardware that cause this issue. I sent it back, got another, and reran the leak. Haven't looked back since. It's also worth noting that I have a way better experience with ICS then I did with GB. GB scrolling was always choppy and just overall sluggish. ICS fixed all that along with giving me a battery life ranging from 11-17 hours depending on usage.
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What I find is interesting is that with my first rezound I had a horrible experience when I flashed the ICS leak. Extreme overheating, even worse battery life, but it was nothing that I could have done. It was the radios on some hardware that cause this issue. I sent it back, got another, and reran the leak. Haven't looked back since. It's also worth noting that I have a way better experience with ICS then I did with GB. GB scrolling was always choppy and just overall sluggish. ICS fixed all that along with giving me a battery life ranging from 11-17 hours depending on usage.
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I also have a better user experience, as in runs faster, smoother, and less lag along with better battery life on ice cream sandwich than I did on gingerbread. I think a lot of it has to do with how it's set up and configured. And I understand that some people have genuine hardware problems but it seems that it's causing a lot of people to quickly attribute their issues to hardware and not spend the time to chase down the problem and solve it. Regardless another leaked kernel or an official OTA base will definitely be welcomed and help this beast run even better.
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Agreed, if there were such a range in hardware that some overheated while others were great, I'd expect that HTC's quality control was so bad that half the units that were produced wouldn't even power up. Always get a kick out reading about someone who has warrantied a couple of phones then in the next breath says "I'm running "xyz" kernel and OC'd...
Anyway, would you mind sharing your setup Gray? It might help others to know what a working ICS setup is. What Kernel, Radios and other specifics are you running.
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CleanROM Developer 1.2, overclocked 1.8ghz kernel, AmonRa recovery, new ICS radio, juopuntbear boot, S-Off.
Extremely smooth and no problems at all.
Ill put it in my sig too.
jmorton10 said:
GB flies for me too, even running a sense ROM.
I always chuckle when people post how "slow and laggy" sense is.
I get absolutely zero lag running sense 3.5 and figure those posters are probably clueless on how to correctly set up their system.......
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I don't get any "lag" persay with any Rom I've used. What drives me a little nuts is the stuttery and choppy scrolling in a LOT of apps I use daily. The text and the pictures chop, even though the scrolling motion is smooth. Facebook, zynga apps, internet (if its more than text) messaging app, contacts, reddit news... There are some that don't stutter though. Twicca, tapatalk, menu scrolling, root explorer...
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I don't get any "lag" persay with any Rom I've used. What drives me a little nuts is the stuttery and choppy scrolling in a LOT of apps I use daily. The text and the pictures chop, even though the scrolling motion is smooth. Facebook, zynga apps, internet (if its more than text) messaging app, contacts, reddit news... There are some that don't stutter though. Twicca, tapatalk, menu scrolling, root explorer...
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That annoyed me about GB (stock and CleanROM 1.7.5). Even on ICS, Facebook scrolling is choppy, unless you enable Force GPU rendering. Running ICS with Force GPU rendering is an incredibly smooth experience, and I haven't run into any bugs. I'm surprised it's not enabled by default in all ROMs.
I think that people having a better experience on a hacked(nicely mind you), sense 4.0 rom must have set up Gingerbread wrong. See how easy it is to make a statement like that. I have experienced both ics, and gb, and have always had a smoother experience on gb. I hated how ics scrolling in the browser, xda app, tapatalk, and others was jittery at best. I love some of the elements of ics, but the trade off was too much for me. My phone ran about 11 degrees different between ics, and gb. Also, if you go back to around Christmas, overheating was an issue then. On stock. So apparently, this phone can have heat issues. Don't get me wrong, I love this phone, and I appreciate all the work that goes into making roms. I have been following these developers for quite a while. They are all really good. We are blessed to have them.
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That annoyed me about GB (stock and CleanROM 1.7.5). Even on ICS, Facebook scrolling is choppy, unless you enable Force GPU rendering. Running ICS with Force GPU rendering is an incredibly smooth experience, and I haven't run into any bugs. I'm surprised it's not enabled by default in all ROMs.
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So it is the GPU that's the problem as I thought.... But thankfully it isnt because its not good enough. Lol. It's just because its more limited c
I picked up 2 Flyers recently from Cowboom and one of the first things I did was root and flash a custom rom. After setting everything up how I wanted it, I have come to find that the Flyer is sluggish in a lot of things, like scrolling around, switching apps, opening new apps, etc.
I understand that it's a single core processor but is this normal? I am running the latest LeeDroid rom.
Thanks
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Not it's not normal. It may be single core, but it's much faster than most single cores. It's fairly comparable to dual cores, and you can flash an overclocked kernel. Mine isn't sluggish.
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Not it's not normal. It may be single core, but it's much faster than most single cores. It's fairly comparable to dual cores, and you can flash an overclocked kernel. Mine isn't sluggish.
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Hmmm any recommendations on kernels? I flashed LeeDroid's kernel but haven't tweaked. Should I?
Opening the app drawer is obviously skipping frames, zoom in/zoom out too.. as well as browser scrolling.. extremely lagged.
Overclocking won't fix that. I don't know what you have loaded. Some people put 2000 animated widgets and 200 apps on a tablet, then say,"its laggy". Guarantee there ain't a device on the planet that won't bog down under that. If you are using it in a sensible manner it should be very snappy. The home screens and most of the GUI is rendered by the GPU so overclocking will do very little for you since the GPU doesn't overclock. That's also one of the big reasons that dual core devices don't perform any better. Try removing a bunch of apps and widgets and see how it behaves. If that doesn't work, Id try a different ROM.
Download Advanced task manager
Here is the Link :https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.infolife.taskmanager&hl=en
It shows the RAM u got free. When i kill all my apps, i get about 400+ RAM free and then it runs very smooth. It becomes sluggish when you hit the lower 300's. So just kill unecessary apps and you won't have a problem. I supposed you could go back to Gingerbread (it uses less resources) or try a different honeycomb ROM like CoolHoney 3D. If you REALLY want smoothness and can live without the Pen and Camera, you should try the ICS ROMS. They still in developement, but most are functional and very very smooth.
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Overclocking won't fix that. I don't know what you have loaded. Some people put 2000 animated widgets and 200 apps on a tablet, then say,"its laggy". Guarantee there ain't a device on the planet that won't bog down under that. If you are using it in a sensible manner it should be very snappy. The home screens and most of the GUI is rendered by the GPU so overclocking will do very little for you since the GPU doesn't overclock. That's also one of the big reasons that dual core devices don't perform any better. Try removing a bunch of apps and widgets and see how it behaves. If that doesn't work, Id try a different ROM.
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Haha you should see my home screen...its just a few shortcuts and the Gmail inbox widget. Nothing more. Stock lock screen too.
I have no idea why it feels so sluggish. I'll try to get a video...
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The Flyer is sluggish. I have an Acer Iconia A100 also and it is much more responsive. I think that the culprit is Honeycomb and Sense combined.
Flyer running on the ICS ports is much, much more responsive but those ports cannot be used as daily drivers, IMO, at least for me.
For this reason, I hope either that the ports progress or that we somehow get AOSP ICS.
Honeycomb is garbage and Honeycomb with Sense slows things to a crawl.
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The Flyer is sluggish. I have an Acer Iconia A100 also and it is much more responsive. I think that the culprit is Honeycomb and Sense combined.
Flyer running on the ICS ports is much, much more responsive but those ports cannot be used as daily drivers, IMO, at least for me.
For this reason, I hope either that the ports progress or that we somehow get AOSP ICS.
Honeycomb is garbage and Honeycomb with Sense slows things to a crawl.
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I am on LeeDroid with sense stripped.. I'm pretty sure there are still components there, but coming from Samsung products I am not sure how involved Sense is compared to TouchWiz (Samsung's crap).
It's not that the tablet is slow, it is like it just has trouble keeping up sometimes. It's very hit or miss. I guess it's expected from a $150 tablet.
Seems to be personal opinion and maybe experience. I run the stock HC rooted and have no lag , no slow downs, no problems. Other complains of these. I had and sold my Acer A100 because i hated the screen on it. Found the Acer to be slower in almost everything compared to the Flyer. So your mileage may very.
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Seems to be personal opinion and maybe experience. I run the stock HC rooted and have no lag , no slow downs, no problems. Other complains of these. I had and sold my Acer A100 because i hated the screen on it. Found the Acer to be slower in almost everything compared to the Flyer. So your mileage may very.
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The Flyer is fine for apps. It is the user interface that lags. This is very obvious when compared to the A100, especially now that the A100 has ICS. And, yes, the screen on the A100 is horrible (as is the build quality overall).
Well some people say this and I believe them, but its certainly not universal, and its certainly not obvious on my HC Flyer. I see no lag. Its very smooth and quick. I never had ICS on the A100, but the Flyer was clearly faster for most apps, as it should be with a faster base processor speed.
I'm going to try a different launcher and see if that helps. Are there any recommended HC launchers?
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ADW EX works well, I use it for a pretty display when I do not need anything that Sense provides. There are several others.
Any launcher close to stock honeycomb that doesn't add an extra notification bar? Or atleast replaces it?
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Any launcher close to stock honeycomb that doesn't add an extra notification bar? Or atleast replaces it?
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The HC notification bar is part of the system, not part of the launcher. You cannot safely eliminate it or replace it. There are some hack apps that hide it, but they can cause compatibility problems.
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Any launcher close to stock honeycomb that doesn't add an extra notification bar? Or atleast replaces it?
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I believe you may be talking about the extra bar on top that many nonnative apps and launchers add to 7inch hc tablets. Unfortunately you'll just have to look around. I use xeam which allows icons up to the screen edges.
About laggyness: I experienced a huge amount of lag after some rom installs. This shouldn't be the case but leedros rom was very slow even after a couple months usage. I use the senseless hc rom now and its noticeably faster.
If you want to see blazing speed, downgrade and install the CM7 1.1 rom. I would switch in a heartbeat if pen worked properly.
Yeah I use the pen for work so I can't go to GB/CM/ICS, unfortunately
Are there any tablet-oriented UIs out? I do see that new one Chameleon but that's not out yet.. all of the launchers I'm finding are just larger phone launchers, like Go Launcher EX HD, ADW EX, etc.
I thought it was fast until I played with my bothers ipad and my dads playbook. Really smooth scrolling web pages and stuff compared to mine.
The best I managed to do was use setcpu to set the minimum cpu freq to like 800MHz, which helped.
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I thought it was fast until I played with my bothers ipad and my dads playbook. Really smooth scrolling web pages and stuff compared to mine.
The best I managed to do was use setcpu to set the minimum cpu freq to like 800MHz, which helped.
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Tell your father to throw anything blackberry related out of the house . Anyway, just install a custom ROM. DeSensified v3 and CoolHoney 3d V4 are the best two i tried so far, if you kill all running apps, you have about 400+ RAM free and only ocasional lag, but not on the UI. Keep in mind that honeycomb uses alot more resources than others and HTC just threw it together in a few min.
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Yeah I use the pen for work so I can't go to GB/CM/ICS, unfortunately
Are there any tablet-oriented UIs out? I do see that new one Chameleon but that's not out yet.. all of the launchers I'm finding are just larger phone launchers, like Go Launcher EX HD, ADW EX, etc.
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You can try VTL Launcher, it's not developed anymore afaik but works fine except for some occasional bugs. It's pretty much what I would want from a homescreen, very customizable, uses ADW icon sets and gives you the whole screen without any wasted space.
Not sure if this is just me or everyone, but I noticed that when after flashing a rom and starting blank and fresh with no apps installed and with the HTC Sense pages at default with the preloaded widgets. At this point the whole phone is fast and very snappy and very smooth when swiping between different home screens. Even if you rotate the phone to landscape the phone rotates very fast.
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As soon as I start installing my games and apps from the Play store, the whole phone just doesnt become snappy anymore. With 1GB Ram and Dual Core 1.5 GHz S4 CPU shouldnt the phone stay snappy no matter how many apps you have installed? This seems to be the case for every Sense phone.
It seems like the slow down comes when I start opening a couple apps and customizing the home screens. I tried down grading to 5 screens instead of 7 with a couple widgets such as the weather clock and I have my apps grouped into folders ect. At this point swiping between screens is a little jerky but if I keep swiping it goes back to being smooth.
My previous phones Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S2 didnt have this problem. I could have all 7 pages maxed out with widgets and apps filling up each page and the phone would remain snappy with no lag.
I never been a fan of the Snap Dragon CPU. I had better experience with Exynos.
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Not sure if this is just me or everyone, but I noticed that when after flashing a rom and starting blank and fresh with no apps installed and with the HTC Sense pages at default with the preloaded widgets. At this point the whole phone is fast and very snappy and very smooth when swiping between different home screens. Even if you rotate the phone to landscape the phone rotates very fast.
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As soon as I start installing my games and apps from the Play store, the whole phone just doesnt become snappy anymore. With 1GB Ram and Dual Core 1.5 GHz S4 CPU shouldnt the phone stay snappy no matter how many apps you have installed? This seems to be the case for every Sense phone.
It seems like the slow down comes when I start opening a couple apps and customizing the home screens. I tried down grading to 5 screens instead of 7 with a couple widgets such as the weather clock and I have my apps grouped into folders ect. At this point swiping between screens is a little jerky but if I keep swiping it goes back to being smooth.
My previous phones Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy S2 didnt have this problem. I could have all 7 pages maxed out with widgets and apps filling up each page and the phone would remain snappy with no lag.
I never been a fan of the Snap Dragon CPU. I had better experience with Exynos.
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i here that bro.. same prob with me phone.. never had that problem with me og evo or my evo 3d through.. just the is phone??
Same here.. I now use Nova Launcher and it's great but I want to use Sense. I don't want to resort to a launcher to get the performance I expect.
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Same here.. I now use Nova Launcher and it's great but I want to use Sense. I don't want to resort to a launcher to get the performance I expect.
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EXACTLY!
Yeah, im aware that I can switch to Nova launcher ect, but if that was the case, I would have kept my Galaxy Nexus. I want to beable to use the nice fancy Sense Widgets but the phone shouldnt have to slow down like it does.
I found this to happen on each rom I been on and I tried just about each of them in the Dev section. I havnt tried %100 stock because, soon as I got the phone I rooted and used a custom rom so im not sure if pure stock has this problem.
Maybe a Dev can chime in with a solution.
I can agree to an extent..no matter what though, this phone will always be faster than a galaxy nexus. (Don't know bout jellybean). That thing stuttered like a mofo when I was testin it.
Anyways, the phone tends to slow down and speed up at will. Could be a combination of cache or resources that sense needs in order for it to run that bogs memory. (Like adding different widgets, apps, etc) Sense just isn't well made like the pure android experience imo. It needs more fluidity within the system to run smoother and this is probably why you experience lag every now and then. Overall, I'm satisfied. It doesn't slow down too much. Still feels like a superior device even with its flaws (sense UI)
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Have you made sure your app/games are installed on your phone storage? I noticed a lot of app tend to use the internal storage.
Internal storage: 2Gb
Phone storage: 10Gb
I'm all stock and don't have any lag!
i noticed that too. my phone seems to be getting slower and slower. my gf's galaxy nexus with jellybean is much faster and smoother than my phone. i can't wait for cm10.
its not your phone, rom or sense. it's the play store. it happens on stock or rooted. even does it on my wife's 3D(stock unrooted). I blame it on when the play store changed over to the format it uses, now. even noticed it on her epic touch before I gave her my 3D. just my opinion I know. otherwise I have no lag.
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its not your phone, rom or sense. it's the play store. it happens on stock or rooted. even does it on my wife's 3D(stock unrooted). I blame it on when the play store changed over to the format it uses, now. even noticed it on her epic touch before I gave her my 3D. just my opinion I know. otherwise I have no lag.
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I'm not sure what it is. All I know my Galaxy Nexus never slowed down with AOKP and CM and my Epic Touch was also always smooth. Can't say that about this phone. The camera is nice and screen is nice but can't say that about this Snap Dragon so far.
Well this damn phone flies with Nova Launcher..HTC should be ashamed of them selves for still continuing to have sense be as slow as it is.
And I'm afraid even project butter in jelly bean won't help because HTC will find a way to slow things down
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I have absolutely no speed decrease what so ever. Stock or Custom Rom. Try uninstalling aps that you don't need system or data. Try locking sense into memory threw bp. That will definitely help IMO. Also how you set your phone up will always play a major role in performance. If anyone wants to know how I run mine to compare to there setup just hit me with a pm. I have over 40 apps installed and I have no lag in anything I do. This phone is a Monster lol. I've had the hero,evo4g,evo3d, and none of them can match the performance of this phone. Just my opinion.
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Wondering if anyone is experiencing lag when you a different launcher? Mine's lag very badly when using nova. If I'm moving between screens or in the app drawer.
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I've been using Nova (Prime) since day 1 and it is smooth, except for the very very occasional lag.
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Wondering if anyone is experiencing lag when you a different launcher? Mine's lag very badly when using nova. If I'm moving between screens or in the app drawer.
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Yeah, I've been going through the same thing. I end up going back to Sense launcher because the lag bothers me that much. I'm using Blackout ROM for AT&T version.
I have even changed all the settings to FAST for animation and performance and it works great but the lag eventually comes back and is noticeable.
Also been using Nova prime but haven't really noticed much lag between screens. Get the occasional lag (but nothing major) in the app drawer.
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The same here.
With Sense, there is no much lag, but it is not very smooth. (it seems to low FPS, but no lag)
With Nova, some transitions perfect, other very laggy. Little better with Apex, but still laggy.
Waiting for an official CM10.1
I hope it solves this problem.
I have paid a lot for this phone, and I tought it would perfect smooth. There is enough hardware in the box..
Just happy is just not my phone. Went back to sense launcher because it annoyed me that much lol
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i had the same problem and figured out why, first you need to go to developer options-----> advanced and check force 2d gpu rendering
and the try unchecking the animation option...no lag what so ever since
can't remember having lag with the vanilla HTC sense build when using Apex, but I surely don't have any lag issues on it using CM10.1
My phone isn't rooted or anything and since I've been using Android I've used Launcher Pro on every Android phone I've owned. The one thing that I do notice with the One X+ is that Launcher Pro constantly crashes. Never had a problem like this on any other device.
Apex Launcher Pro runs great for me no probs sofar since day1
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My phone isn't rooted or anything and since I've been using Android I've used Launcher Pro on every Android phone I've owned. The one thing that I do notice with the One X+ is that Launcher Pro constantly crashes. Never had a problem like this on any other device.
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erm Launcher Pro is dead since since 17.05.2011
dats why im usin Apex launcer
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Apex Launcher Pro runs great for me no probs sofar since day1
erm Launcher Pro is dead since since 17.05.2011
dats why im usin Apex launcer
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I just rooted and installed a ROM last night and went with Apex
I have made a vid to show the micro lags.
This is Apex Launcher Pro. With Nova is worse.
It happens with every Rom I have installed. From Stock, Insertcoin (sense and senseless), revolution, Cm10, Cm10.1.... all of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaCq5weoU4&feature=youtu.be
Best in 720p
First at real time, after that, 25% speed to see it better. With the Hox in hand feels worse than vid...
Im paranoid?
With "Sense Launcher", and "Next Launcher" this not happens. But I dont like neither of them..
This didn't happen with Nexus4, I would like to be the same in Hox+..
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I have made a vid to show the micro lags.
This is Apex Launcher Pro. With Nova is worse.
It happens with every Rom I have installed. From Stock, Insertcoin (sense and senseless), revolution, Cm10, Cm10.1.... all of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLaCq5weoU4&feature=youtu.be
Best in 720p
First at real time, after that, 25% speed to see it better. With the Hox in hand feels worse than vid...
Im paranoid?
With "Sense Launcher", and "Next Launcher" this not happens. But I dont like neither of them..
This didn't happen with Nexus4, I would like to be the same in Hox+..
Thanks
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I don't know what is causing it. It is really annoying, maybe it is the Tegra processor? My old S3 and S2 never lagged with any launcher.
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I wonder if it is due to the aggressive governor settings HTC used. They are intended to mitigate battery drain, but, they can cause stuttering in games as well.
I ended up using Renovate Gaming Boost to fix the issue in various games that I play, but, I generally turn it (Gaming Boost) off unless I am gaming. There is a thread for the Renovate Gaming Boost in the HTC One X forum and the Jelly Bean version is compatible with HTC One X+ also.
It unlocks the GPU from the CPU so the GPU clocks stay at high levels even if CPU scales down. It also changes the 'on demand' governor settings. You can find out exactly what it changes in the main thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783260
Not sure if this will have any effect on the launcher lag. If the issue is a result of the governor settings and/or GPU clock scaling down, then this should fix it. However, the downside is that your battery life will decrease as your CPU and GPU will run at higher average clock speeds. Root is required to get any benefit from the application.