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I'm going to return my tablet to Amazon and wait for something better. I have been using the 10.1 non stop for the past two weeks and it is awesome. The few problems it has are with HC and not the hardware. However, I feel the processing power needs to be a bit higher for 1280x720 resolution and we need more video codecs. Nvidia say they won't make the same mistake with the upcoming quadcore, and since it's only 2 months away, the wait feels justified to me.
Don't get me wrong, this tablet owns all other HC tablets at the moment. I just would be very pissed off if the new tablets like the Amazon Hollywood appeared this Christmas and completely destroyed the performance of my 10.1 along with playing nearly any video I copy onto it.
I urge anyone still within their return period to consider sending it back. It would be one thing if the new tablets were 5 or 6 months out, but 2 months is too close.
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I'm going to return my tablet to Amazon and wait for something better. I have been using the 10.1 non stop for the past two weeks and it is awesome. The few problems it has are with HC and not the hardware. However, I feel the processing power needs to be a bit higher for 1280x720 resolution and we need more video codecs. Nvidia say they won't make the same mistake with the upcoming quadcore, and since it's only 2 months away, the wait feels justified to me.
Don't get me wrong, this tablet owns all other HC tablets at the moment. I just would be very pissed off if the new tablets like the Amazon Hollywood appeared this Christmas and completely destroyed the performance of my 10.1 along with playing nearly any video I copy onto it.
I urge anyone still within their return period to send it back. It would be one thing if the new tablets were 5 or 6 months out, but 2 months is too close.
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You do understand that if you actually lived by that way of thinking, you would literally (seriously, joking aside) never own a tablet...? Because lets say you were thinking about the original G-Tab when it first came out...but then heard that Honeycomb was on its way, so you waited...then Honeycomb shows up with its array of tablets (the Tegra 2 generation)...and as tempting and highly-praised as they may be, you then hear about the next round of Honeycomb tablets (with quadcores )...but wait! not all that long after that should be the Ice Cream Sandwich debut with yet ANOTHER suite of tablets (with maybe hexa- or octo-core chips! ), so I'm guessing you should wait for THOSE to come out, right?!?
No offense man, but I really wish people would come up with more logical, legitimate, and justifiable excuses for not buying new pieces of electronics, because face it - it is a 100% certainty that within 6 months of your purchase of said piece of electronics, it WILL be outdated to some extent. Like it or not, it is a virtual guarantee that within that amount of time the successor generation of products (in this case tablets) will hit the market with better specs and features than that of the product you bought. And that is a stone-cold fact something that all of us as fans of electronics and gizmos simply have to come to grips with.
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You do understand that if you actually lived by that way of thinking, you would literally (seriously, joking aside) never own a tablet...? Because lets say you were thinking about the original G-Tab when it first came out...but then heard that Honeycomb was on its way, so you waited...then Honeycomb shows up with its array of tablets (Tegra 2)...and as tempting as they may be, you then hear about the next round of Honeycomb tablets (with quadcores )...but wait! not all that long after that should be the Ice Cream Sandwich debut with yet ANOTHER suite of tablets (with maybe hexa- or octo-core chips! ), so I'm guessing you should wait for THOSE to come out, right?!?
No offense man, but I really wish people would come up with more logical, legitimate, and justifiable excuses for not buying new pieces of electronics, because face it - it is a 100% certainty that within 6 months of your purchase of said piece of electronics, it WILL be outdated to some extent. And that is a stone-cold fact something that all of us as fans of electronics and gizmos simply have to come to grips with.
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If you read my OP, you would see my reasoning which should be more than justified with the next slew of more powerful tablets. 6 months is fine to me. Not 2 months, though.
I'll give you an example. I recently built myself a computer and started out with an X58 and a Core i7-950. About a month and a half later, the new P67 boards came out and that awesome i7-2600K with them. I asked on many forums what I should do and most said I should be happy with what I had. I ignored that advice and couldn't be happier. But, when I was building the 2600K rig, everyone kept telling me I was wasting my time because Z68 boards. I don't care about the upcoming Z68 boards because I'm very pleased with my PC. It's far superior to the i7-950 build and it will last for quite some time.
Tegra2 just isn't powerful enough. I can't even use a live wallpaper without stuff becoming sluggish and you can't argue that one. Try moving an icon around with a live wallpaper running.
Their pricey toys...not investments.
Well, in my case they sure are an investment literally, doing post-graduation the laod of coursebooks is unbearable, these a step ahead from usual e-ink crap have helped me a lot, adding the annotation feature. It ain't mere multimedia box where you throw all 1080p movies (God knows from where!) and expect playback or else failure. Consider the excellent resolution, the browser experience with flash and excellent apps around (actually mean the THD games!) plus QUick office HD (as free!!! take this iPAD) and pdf readers like Repligo and eZpdf.
One man's bad experience doesn't justify the claimed redundancy of such a wonderful piece of technology! Quad-cores ahead, sure let'em on, more fun is ahead, massive multitasking and profound browser experience with emerging social networks like google+ and prevalent Fbook!
In short, Screw you man! I am keeping mine!
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Well, in my case they sure are an investment literally, doing post-graduation the laod of coursebooks is unbearable, these a step ahead from usual e-ink crap have helped me a lot, adding the annotation feature. It ain't mere multimedia box where you throw all 1080p movies (God knows from where!) and expect playback or else failure. Consider the excellent resolution, the browser experience with flash and excellent apps around (actually mean the THD games!) plus QUick office HD (as free!!! take this iPAD) and pdf readers like Repligo and eZpdf.
One man's bad experience doesn't justify the claimed redundancy of such a wonderful piece of technology! Quad-cores ahead, sure let'em on, more fun is ahead, massive multitasking and profound browser experience with emerging social networks like google+ and prevalent Fbook!
In short, Screw you man! I am keeping mine!
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I definitely love the very last sentence of this.
Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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I definitely love the very last sentence of this.
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Effing priceless
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Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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So are you honestly going to say that right about when the time comes for you to buy the phone you're holding out for and you hear rumors swirling about the next phone after that (and this will happen, by the way, it has happen with every single major period of Android-related releases so far), that you won't be tempted to do the same thing over again (that is, hold off until that comes out?). You seem to be missing the point - if you subscribe to this it will unarguably be an endless circle. And it is by no means your fault necessarily, its the Apples, Samsungs, HTCs, LGs, Sonys, Motorolas, Toshibas, etc of the world who are coming out with newer generations of productions, not yearly, or even every 6 months, but most often even less than that. Of course the good side of that is the technology is progressing super fast these days, so I guess that's the tradeoff that we all have to live with - major progression and innovation of tech but with each piece getting trumped by the next every few months
I can honestly say I will get the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called, regardless of upcoming rumors around that time. As long as it's not done like the Nexus S was. A clone of a phone already out.
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I can honestly say I will get the Nexus 3 or whatever it will be called, regardless of upcoming rumors around that time. As long as it's not done like the Nexus S was. A clone of a phone already out.
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Well I can definitely agree on you with the Nexus S - I am an N1 owner, from the day of launch, and I have yet to see another new phone on the market since then that can hold a candle to that phone, period. Now that being said, we'll all have to wait and see what the N3 will be all about. If you recall, the Nexus S was rumored to have quite a lot going for it...until it saw the light of day, at which point we were all like, "what?". So clearly the N3 has some really big shoes to fill, and hopefully those developing it realize this completely.
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Now see I'm not saying the tablet is a bad experience. But I think it's a good idea to hold out a few months. It's the same thing with phones. I really like the Sensation and the Evo 3D, but the Nexus is coming this Christmas too. I've been patiently waiting for it.
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I've been waiting for a Verizon phone with a dual core and LTE forever now and guess what, it'll probably be outdated when it arrives, maybe I should hold off for a quad-core, kal-el, or maybe a 6-core or just maybe wait 25 years in hopes that phones are so advanced every new one will be just like the others (wont happen). Buy now and use it for a few year and sell it on ebay and pay a couple more dollars to get the next gen.
There will always be something newer and faster. And just like our tab, they too will not be perfect.
I definitely understand the point you guys are making. But I'm not concerned about having the newest and best. It's about getting something that works well and also satisfies. If I'm dropping 500 dollars, I want to be completely happy with my purchase and I'm not with the 10.1.
EDIT: I'm going to sign up for that AMEX membership so I can have that option in the future as well.
I never understood the point of threads like these. OP has an opinion; others have their own. What's the point of a poll? And more to the point, regarding the following quote:
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I urge anyone still within their return period to send it back.
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F-you, OP. You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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Exactly this!
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I never understood the point of threads like these. OP has an opinion; others have their own. What's the point of a poll? And more to the point, regarding the following quote:
F-you, OP. You don't have the right to "urge" me to do anything. Your opinion is your own -- but when you try to impose it on me, we've got a problem.
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I can see how that came off wrong. What I meant is that I urge people to consider it.
The point of a thread and poll like this was to see if anyone else was thinking of doing the same thing as me. That's why we have the poll option.
Don't get so worked up over something on the internet. It causes stress.
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I'll give you an example. I recently built myself a computer and started out with an X58 and a Core i7-950. About a month and a half later, the new P67 boards came out and that awesome i7-2600K with them. I asked on many forums what I should do and most said I should be happy with what I had. I ignored that advice and couldn't be happier. But, when I was building the 2600K rig, everyone kept telling me I was wasting my time because Z68 boards. I don't care about the upcoming Z68 boards because I'm very pleased with my PC. It's far superior to the i7-950 build and it will last for quite some time.
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I understand your thought process, but herein lies the problem:
You returned your old PC and upgraded it and I am sure you are extremely pleased with what you have. Now, if you would have kept your i7-950 build you would have also been extremely pleased with it.
With the way hardware technology is advancing, software developers cannot keep up. How many applications do you have that take advantage of the extra speed of that newer generation processor? Heck, how many applications are there that actually take use of anything higher than a dual core processor? Not many - and in your case, there's probably only a handful of applications that will use the newest generation processors to their potential. In all likelihood you don't use these, and even if you do, you only use them extremely rarely.
The same thing is happening in the Tablet field, although to a stronger extent. I actually don't know of any applications that take use of the dual-core processors in newer generation phones and tablets. In fact, Froyo and Gingerbread don't even take use of dual-core processors at the kernel level. Applications being built for mobile devices just aren't likely to be designed with multi-threading in mind.
Keep this in mind when you are deciding to take your tablet back - but I wish you good luck nonetheless.
You bring up some good points. I play a lot of PC games and noticed a good amount of difference, but outside of games not much.
And there's is a good chance I could get *screwed* with a quad core tablet that overheats and has horrible battery life. We'll see.
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I can see how that came off wrong. What I meant is that I urge people to consider it.
The point of a thread and poll like this was to see if anyone else was thinking of doing the same thing as me. That's why we have the poll option.
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Why do you think you need to urge people to consider returning their Tabs? We're not children who need to be reminded of our options as consumers. Your ex post facto reinterpretation is nearly as patronizing as your original post.
While I give you credit for acting civil in your posts -- an unusual accomplishment in this genre of threads -- it still appears to me that you're just looking to provoke polarizing responses. Whether the Tab is or isn't a good purchase for someone is matter of personal opinion. No poll or discussion is going to change that.
i was just wondering, do you think the Jetstream will get ICS?
HTC announced the other day of the first wave of devices that will get it..the Jetstream wasn't on that list. i know not all hope is lost, but i fear they won't update it. and it needs to be updated, the 3.1 is simply the worst.
so, what do you think?
p.s
i'm writing every couple of days on the HTC facebook wall about that, hoping to get some attention..
i think it'll be good if others will do the same.
I have no doubt we will get it. HTC is one of the manufacturers that promised to support android updates for 18 months after a product is released.
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I would be quite surprised and disappointed if the Jetstream wasn't one of the first devices to see ICS. System wide stylus support and better media and social integration would seem to me to align quite well with HTC's goals to have a stand-out device. In it's current configuration the Jetstream just seems eccentric and inefficient. Some of the best hardware being smothered by its software. The removal of h.264 support, the rather ho hum browser and mail apps and lack of quality applications to take advantage of scribe (notes and PDFviewer are rather miserable,) really hamper what could be a stand-out device (in a way other than price.) Here's to hoping some ice cream sandwiches are sufficient to reverse this hypoglycemic techno shock.
that's exactly what i was thinking!
honeycomb 3.1 is the worse android version out there.
and you can actually feel the device suffering with it.
i'm affraid htc won't bother to update it because they only have a couple of tablets, both of them are not best sellers...
i'd be less anxious about it if we had a root access or at least an unlocked bootloader. but htc are taking their sweet time with that as well.
i hope i'm mistaking..
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honeycomb 3.1 is the worse android version out there.
and you can actually feel the device suffering with it.
i'm affraid htc won't bother to update it because they only have a couple of tablets, both of them are not best sellers...
i'd be less anxious about it if we had a root access or at least an unlocked bootloader. but htc are taking their sweet time with that as well.
i hope i'm mistaking..
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Couldn't agree more. It seems like the few of us that bought this device are going to be stuck with what it shipped with - no dev support and no HTC support. Hope I'm wrong too...
As someone who is on the fence about buying this device, the lack of support concerns me. Of course we could all be wrong and htc will support it.
It's unfortunate htc gave this device to AT&T. Can AT&T be charged with tablet-slaughter? I don't think there is a device on the market that compares and won't until sometime after February 2012, at least from an artist's perspective. So I could wait six months or just get one. There will always be a new device coming and if I keep waiting I may never get anything.
Here's hoping htc supports the Jetstream.
the weirdest thing
is that even the bounty got no response.
personally i can't spare the money (espcially after purchasing the Jetstream itself), but 550$ for cracking it, and no takers? i'm worried.
if your not an owner - don't get one.
that's my opinion.
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is that even the bounty got no response.
personally i can't spare the money (espcially after purchasing the Jetstream itself), but 550$ for cracking it, and no takers? i'm worried.
if your not an owner - don't get one.
that's my opinion.
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The thing is I don't plan to root the device. I just want it for sketchbook pro, photoshop touch and general web browsing.
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The thing is I don't plan to root the device. I just want it for sketchbook pro, photoshop touch and general web browsing.
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Then you will love it. I have no doubt. Haven't worked with PS touch, but sketchbook pro is amazing on the jetstream with the stylus..
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I would be quite surprised and disappointed if the Jetstream wasn't one of the first devices to see ICS.
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The Jetstream has all the makings of an orphan. It's only been released (via the carriers) in the U.S. and Canada. I'd guess total sales to be below 50K units total. There was never a Wi-Fi version released and it was never offered through retail channels - the exact opposite of the Flyer. HTC's already announced the quad-core Quattro 10.1 tablet for Q1 2012 in both 3G and Wi-Fi versions. Also, AT&T's just started selling an LTE G-Tab 8.9 with the same processor that's in the Jetstream for a lot less money. They're also throwing in a free Skyrocket as part of the launch which certainly is more aggresive than a free Scribe pen. I think the Jetstream's days are numbered and if it does get ICS its low volume certainly wouldn't put it at the top of HTC's list.
i think your right...
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The Jetstream has all the makings of an orphan. It's only been released (via the carriers) in the U.S. and Canada. I'd guess total sales to be below 50K units total. There was never a Wi-Fi version released and it was never offered through retail channels - the exact opposite of the Flyer. HTC's already announced the quad-core Quattro 10.1 tablet for Q1 2012 in both 3G and Wi-Fi versions. Also, AT&T's just started selling an LTE G-Tab 8.9 with the same processor that's in the Jetstream for a lot less money. They're also throwing in a free Skyrocket as part of the launch which certainly is more aggresive than a free Scribe pen. I think the Jetstream's days are numbered and if it does get ICS its low volume certainly wouldn't put it at the top of HTC's list.
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i'm not sure they can abandon it alltogether. i have no hope from at&t mainly because i don't live in the USA.
HTC must support it in one way or another...i just hope that it won't end in a 3.2 version in 6 monthes from now.
it s-o expensive, and to have spent so much money and be ignored pisses me off.
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i have no hope from at&t mainly because i don't live in the USA.
HTC must support it in one way or another...i just hope that it won't end in a 3.2 version in 6 monthes from now.
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Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
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Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
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If I'm not mistaken, the Jetstream had a 6 month or so exclusivity agreement with the carriers prior to being able to be launched through any other channels.... Not sure what will change but we shall see.
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Because it was never sold retail, any updates will only be made available by and through the carriers not HTC directly. As for ICS, I'd guess it depends how much of the work on the Quattro can be easilly ported to the Jetstream and how willing AT&T is to accept the training and documentation liability when so few units were sold.
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This concerns me about the Jetstream. I really wish there were a way for the consumer to be protected for some amount of time. I just bought one and I like it pretty well. It's decently fast, but so far I think I like my HTC Flyer better!
At least I have 2 weeks if I want to return it. I'm not happy about all the "bloatware" that's included in the device. I wish there were a way to do an "HTC" only install of Honeycomb without all the AT&T junk.
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At least I have 2 weeks if I want to return it.
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I'd return it. If you're OK with Wi-Fi only, I'd wait a month or two as Asus, Lenovo, and Acer have already announced quad-core tablets the latter two come with 2MB of RAM and 1900x1200 displays. If you want a carrier tablet, I'd get the LTE G-Tab 8.9 that launched today. It's got the same processor as the Jetstream, costs a lot less, has a great dev community, is confirmed to get ICS, has a bunch of available accessories, and will have better resale value if you want to sell it. AT&T's running a promotion starting today that offers a free Skyrocket with purchase. I'm using a UK G-Tab 10.1 3G that I bought after I returned my Jetstream and I like it a lot.
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I'd return it. If you're OK with Wi-Fi only, I'd wait a month or two as Asus, Lenovo, and Acer have already announced quad-core tablets the latter two come with 2MB of RAM and 1900x1200 displays. If you want a carrier tablet, I'd get the LTE G-Tab 8.9 that launched today. It's got the same processor as the Jetstream, costs a lot less, has a great dev community, is confirmed to get ICS, has a bunch of available accessories, and will have better resale value if you want to sell it. AT&T's running a promotion starting today that offers a free Skyrocket with purchase. I'm using a UK G-Tab 10.1 3G that I bought after I returned my Jetstream and I like it a lot.
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The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
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The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
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that's what i thought. i really wanted an electronic notebook to help me with my studies.
so i took the jetstream for the same reason.
the built-in apps for pen are pretty worthless.
you would probably use an external app that would also run on any other tablet. you should try playing with a simpler tablet using a stylus pen (there are some generic kinds. with fatter tips, but far cheaper) and see how that works for you.
also, you can check out the lenovo thinkpad.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/
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The bigggest thing for me, is there aren't other tablets that have the active digitizer. That's really why I got the Jetstream. Sure there are more tablets coming, but I don't think they will be really good until we get Windows 8 and wacom active digitizer, but that's a year away. I need a portable sketching machine for a year. This is the best there is unfortunately. Am I missing something? Is there something better with an active digitizer?
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The Flyer and Jetstream are the only two tablets even half way decent at pen entry. The Galaxy Note actually has a Wacom digitizer and is excellent for drawing and note taking but I'm guessing it's too small for your needs. ICS is supposed to support pen entry natively but we'll have to see how good it ends up being.
Thanks for the suggestion of the Lenovo thinkpad tablet. I was actually trying to choose between that device and the Jetstream. I chose the Jetstream because I felt like their quality was higher. There have been tons of reports of bad thinkpad tablets.
Galaxy Note was on my list for a new phone, but I think it's too small for what I want. I have some days to return the Jetstream so I will continue to try it out. Also, I noticed there has been a price drop at AT&T to $749 plus a $50 gift card rebate.
I still think maybe AT&T butchered this tablet with sloppy apps and tasks. It's not as fast as it should be. My HTC Flyer seems more responsive.
once we have root and S-OFF, I think this tablet will be the best
I am extremely disappointed in your company and the poor business practices.
I purchased a transformer prime based of the specs and supposed solid company making the unit. I read many articles about the issues the prime had but made a poor decision believing the delay in reaching retail was to fix the issues with the unit. After purchasing I found that the GPS is almost useless and our way to fix it was to remove the reference to GPS from the product sheet. This was very underhanded and shows a lack of standing behind your product. I have also lost a SD card because the SD slot was poorly implemented and results in them being easily springing out of the unit.
Now I find out that instead of fixing these issues you decide to scrap the Prime within weeks of release and ship a newer unit and leave us early adopters in the cold. On top of that not only are you releasing a fixed and fully functional unit you upgrade their screen resolution again leaving us out in the cold. I realize that there is always something new on the horizon but you clearly
released an untested unit that is a black eye on you company and instead of making it right you sweep it under the carpet and hope the new
launch will make everyone forget about the troubled prime. The pathetic thing is this will work but thousands of early adopters who spent there
money on your product are left in the corner crying that we have a product that was sold to us not fully functional.
Noted.
-Asus
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Noted.
-Asus
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Yes, Asus only read the thread title and moved on. They are feeling pretty good right now. High fives all around the office.
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High fives all around the office.
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lmao
but the army of betatesters who actually paid for being betatesters are waiting outside with razorblade thin TF201s in their hands
You're just wasting bandwidth
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The new one isn't coming til q2 and it costs more.
Also is asus only allowed to release one product a year or something? Newer better stuff comes out every couple of months.
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Wow, the new features are:
1. Back design change to enhance GPS/Wifi
2. Higher resolution screen
3. 2MP front camera.
This is certainly a bug fix release. How do you sell the current Prime along side the newer one with a $100 different in price for higher res screen and modest increase in MP for front camera? The current prime will be quietly phased out shortly after the release and the price for the new one will drop to the current Prime price. I kind of feel dry fu**** now.
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I kind of feel dry fu**** now.
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would sir like some vaseline?
new hardware is always coming out. do you want to wait another six months and then another six months and then another six months when new hardware keeps getting announced. you pick your point and you dive in the river.
it's just like buying a new car, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.
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would sir like some vaseline?
new hardware is always coming out. do you want to wait another six months and then another six months and then another six months when new hardware keeps getting announced. you pick your point and you dive in the river.
it's just like buying a new car, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.
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Only problem is that there is not much new hardware here and it is releasing before they even have stock in retail. It is a bug fix release period.
Wow, people are impatient. This whole GPS thing just happened. Why does anyone expect ASUS to have already decided how they're going to handle it?
If we're in the same place at the end of January, beginning of February, then maybe it'll be time to pull out the pitchforks. Until then, hows about we relax a little?
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would sir like some vaseline?
new hardware is always coming out. do you want to wait another six months and then another six months and then another six months when new hardware keeps getting announced. you pick your point and you dive in the river.
it's just like buying a new car, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot.
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If you buy a 2011 car in July, you know that the 2012's are coming out in the Fall. If you buy a 2012 car in the Fall, you'd assume it'll be "new" until the 2013's come out. How would you feel if they announced a 2012.5 immediately after you purchased? And that the dealer knew and even had the brochures in his desk and didn't show them to you? You may still buy the 2012 but at least you'd have had the option of waiting. Kind of a clunky analogy but it makes the point.
On the plus side Prime owners, all the smug cnuts rubbing our faces in it will get the shaft from Asus in about 6 months so we piss all over them too at that time. And they will have paid more to get screwed over.
The people saying to calm down because new tech comes out often are missing the point. The issue here is that it's pretty clear that the new Prime is coming out to address defects of the current one. It's not a "new" product in the traditional sense.
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Only problem is that there is not much new hardware here and it is releasing before they even have stock in retail. It is a bug fix release period.
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how are they releasing it before there is stock of the tf201? this thing is slated to be out in q2, and with the delays that surrounded the prime and tf101, it probably won't hit stores before fall.
as to the lack of new hardware,
remember the iphone 3gs, 4s?
the droid 3/4/x2?
a plethora of HTC devices?
many companies offer slightly refreshed versions of hardware as "new" versions, it's nothing new and since they are charging more for the new tablet AND it won't be out before june most likely i don't really see the problem.
if anyone is unhappy with this development, everyone here is still in their return windows, no one is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to keep the prime.
now what i do find issue with is them not offering to replace the back cover for prime owners who want the better functioning gps/wifi, but since the dimensions seem to be the same (since the docks are compatible) they still could offer something like that for us.
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The people saying to calm down because new tech comes out often are missing the point. The issue here is that it's pretty clear that the new Prime is coming out to address defects of the current one. It's not a "new" product in the traditional sense.
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Exactly. The Asus execs all sat in a room and said, how can we fix our design flaw issue here so it doesn't haunt us all year? Let's fix the back plate design flaw and add a couple of small new things so that it appears to be a new product and slap a new model number on it. Once released, we will quietly phase out the original prime and blame poor sales on the decision. Then we drop the price of the newer prime and all is fixed.
Which is my issue. I understand new tech comes out quickly. I had a Xoom day 1 and in less then a year upgraded it. My issue is that they are being very unethical in how they are handling the design flaws. When did it become acceptable to sell a product that is advertised with certain abilities and then saying later that because you removed it from the spec sheet after launch they are no longer accountable. And when has any company announced an upgrade before the original is truly sitting on shelves.
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Which is my issue. I understand new tech comes out quickly. I had a Xoom day 1 and in less then a year upgraded it. My issue is that they are being very unethical in how they are handling the design flaws. When did it become acceptable to sell a product that is advertised with certain abilities and then saying later that because you removed it from the spec sheet after launch they are no longer accountable. And when has any company announced an upgrade before the original is truly sitting on shelves.
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Agreed. Regardless of whether I decide to keep my Prime or not (I'm leaning towards keeping it, as I want a tablet now and don't see any other suitable alternatives currently available), I will never be buying another product from Asus again. There are plenty of other companies that make similar products. I'll 100% be using them over Asus in the future.
whoopde do. When it comes out in six months i'll sell my prime for $250 or $300 and buy one.
I am not within my window to return it as once you opened the unit many companies will not return them. Best Buy only allows a 14 day window on tablets which is also past for many of us.
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how are they releasing it before there is stock of the tf201? this thing is slated to be out in q2, and with the delays that surrounded the prime and tf101, it probably won't hit stores before fall.
as to the lack of new hardware,
remember the iphone 3gs, 4s?
the droid 3/4/x2?
a plethora of HTC devices?
many companies offer slightly refreshed versions of hardware as "new" versions, it's nothing new and since they are charging more for the new tablet AND it won't be out before june most likely i don't really see the problem.
if anyone is unhappy with this development, everyone here is still in their return windows, no one is holding a gun to anyones head and forcing them to keep the prime.
now what i do find issue with is them not offering to replace the back cover for prime owners who want the better functioning gps/wifi, but since the dimensions seem to be the same (since the docks are compatible) they still could offer something like that for us.
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Nexus tablet
This is when a Nexus tablet is needed. We know it will be updated by google and if history holds true it will work properly.
http://www.slashgear.com/fujitsu-roadmap-reveals-transformer-prime-rival-more-16213769/
It seems like every company is trying to make a tablet now.
What next, the bose ultra sound enhanced tablet with free CD changer dock?
i500 said:
It seems like every company is trying to make a tablet now.
What next, the bose ultra sound enhanced tablet with free CD changer dock?
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OH LAWD PLEASE!
Lol, at least Bose would put more than one speaker into their media consumption device! And if not, it would be a damn good one speaker
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http://www.slashgear.com/fujitsu-roadmap-reveals-transformer-prime-rival-more-16213769/
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The problem with some device manufacturers is they have no ongoing commitment. They'll test the waters and if things go well they'll continue and they'll pull out if they don't. Sharp's been in and out of Android tablets twice. The only one's I see committed are Asus, Samsung, and Motorola. HTC and LG have a reason to stay invested because of the similarity to phones (3G) but their first devices have been kind of meh. In spite of the A510 and A700, Acer's cut their Android development staff in half. And if a manufacturer's not invested their not going to keep up with OS upgrades and there will be weak or no dev support.
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The problem with some device manufacturers is they have no ongoing commitment. They'll test the waters and if things go well they'll continue and they'll pull out if they don't. Sharp's been in and out of Android tablets twice. The only one's I see committed are Asus, Samsung, and Motorola. HTC and LG have a reason to stay invested because of the similarity to phones (3G) but their first devices have been kind of meh. In spite of the A510 and A700, Acer's cut their Android development staff in half. And if a manufacturer's not invested their not going to keep up with OS upgrades and there will be weak or no dev support.
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Lenovo seems like they are here to stay
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Wordlywisewiz said:
Lenovo seems like they are here to stay
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Lenovo sux though and has no developement support what so ever here in xda, basically. Just like the Toshiba thrive(which I almost purchased before the prime but were sold out. Glad I didn't get it..lol). Lenovo pushes out updates veryy slowly. One of their devices that's been out for the longest time is not seeing ICS till summertime.
Only thing I used to be impressed with was the rumored Lenovo tab that had a dock. The one they had all the cool demo videos on. This was way back before I even got my Ipad about 2 years ago. Man it was soon cool looking. I think was even before OG transformer was released. That idea had soon much potential and would've been the first real transformer tablet, per se. Constant delays n such n i don't think it never really saw light of day or specs were seriously dumbed down into current Lenovo tabs now.
Same deal with the Legendary Microsoft Courier tablet. Dual screen. The tech demo was sick! I wanted that so badly man. Was really disappointed to hear Microsoft decided not to make it. This was all around the time of first Ipad release. I tried my hardest to get anything but an Ipad bit in the end, at that time, Ipad was the the best tablet out period. And ended up liking it very much. So much I waited basically 2 yrs. To get a new tablet. Being the Prime I own. Now we at a point in time where Ipad isn't the only or best choice out there. Several great android tablets to compete and be a good alternative to Ipad. If galaxy tab 7.7 would've released earlier, I might would've had that instead of prime. I was really impressed with its specs and newer processor in it compared to other Samsung tablets out. I will get a Galaxy note once it releases shortly for AT&T. Gotta upgrade my Atrix n get a Phablet instead.
Like Barry said, I'd be Leary of new comers to Android sector. No guarantee on continued support plus lack of experience. That new Sony dual screen tablet is very cool. Only drawback is that it still has an outdated tegra2 in it. Love the clamshell fold up it has. Can easily slip in a coat pocket or whatever.
But Damn, I wish the Microsoft Courier would've became reality. Lol. Still to this day, one of the coolest tablet designs I've seen. If you've seen that tech demo on it, you would know how cool it was and that was years ago.
This a longer version of previous video. This could've revolutionized tablet computing.
Edit: here's the Lenovo tablet from 2yrs. Ago I use to get so hyped over. The U1 Hybrid. This blew away the Ipad in my mind. One of the coolest tech demos out and music great also....damn man...brought back memories finding this SMH
Hmmm.. Fujitsu.. These are people with great resources and massive tech expertise. Hope they stay.
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I do like my Prime very much, don't love it but like it. I'm hoping Asus would give Prime owners a discount or rebate or something so we can purchase the Infinity (whats after Infinity for the next tablet? Infinity plus 1?) I'm sure there will be quiet a few Primes on Ebay and Craigslist mine included.
I'm not a troll, don't go down that track...
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I do like my Prime very much, don't love it but like it. I'm hoping Asus would give Prime owners a discount or rebate or something so we can purchase the Infinity (whats after Infinity for the next tablet? Infinity plus 1?) I'm sure there will be quiet a few Primes on Ebay and Craigslist mine included.
I'm not a troll, don't go down that track...
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Just forget about it.
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I do like my Prime very much, don't love it but like it. I'm hoping Asus would give Prime owners a discount or rebate or something so we can purchase the Infinity (whats after Infinity for the next tablet? Infinity plus 1?) I'm sure there will be quiet a few Primes on Ebay and Craigslist mine included.
I'm not a troll, don't go down that track...
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Why would you want a tablet with the same problems? From the Infinity benchmark, it seems the I/O is just as poor on it as the Prime.
If you are not happy with the Prime, I doubt the Infinity will make you feel any better about it.
Why buy another Asus product? After reading a few threads the other day i feel that is a general consenous. The true question is with the ever so changing tech in our world. You are willing to buy another Asus tablet? Me personally im not sure. Mine isnt bad but i deff have my quirks.
No chance.
Heh. In a perfect world...
However, in a perfect world, the Prime wouldn't be as screwy as it is. I'm personally done with their products.
Prime isnt perfect, but its still the best Tablets for my needs Its a complete laptop replacement for me.
The infinity is cool but the resolution isnt an issue for me and wifi is perfect for my needs. GPS was never needed in my situation.
Show me Tablet that offers the same or more functionality as the prime/infinity for the same price?
Me too. I'm done with them. I was having problems with their mobo that lasted a year; RMAed it and got sent a replacement with 2 dead RAM slot; special RMAed that, my replacement was late and 1 dead RAM slot and BIOS issue. deciding whether I wanna try again. Essentially i believe they sent me un-"fixed" mobo that other people sent in. I mean QA that crap. It's not that hard to test. Sorry I digressed. But between that and the Prime fiasco, they lost me. The sad thing is they USED TO BE really good b/c years ago I didn't have a problem.
Ain't gonna happen.
Sorry, there is no Santa Claus. :crying:
Well what other options are there? please don't say Toshiba or worse Apple, we are here because we don't want to be dictated too from Apple. Maybe Samsung has something up their sleeve? Hoping Google I/O will have something for us to get excited about.
I'll be getting a Samsung next
There's nothing Asus can do at this point to make me a return customer. Nvidia can go f¥ck themselves too they're the real problem
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Its not happening. I already checked, several times actually. no upgrades, no discounts, no deals, no nothing.
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Well what other options are there? please don't say Toshiba or worse Apple, we are here because we don't want to be dictated too from Apple. Maybe Samsung has something up their sleeve? Hoping Google I/O will have something for us to get excited about.
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Galaxy Note 10.1 my friend, Galaxy Note 10.1.
demandarin said:
Its not happening. I already checked, several times actually. no upgrades, no discounts, no deals, no nothing.
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I for one think you deserve a "free" Infinity for all the dmg control & marketing you do for Asus. Of course, if you do receive one.. I hope you don't tease everyone of the privilege you are receiving.... no matter how "daring" e.mote is. =P
Well stated. Let Gary know..lol
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I for one think you deserve a "free" Infinity for all the dmg control & marketing you do for Asus. Of course, if you do receive one.. I hope you don't tease everyone of the privilege you are receiving.... no matter how "daring" e.mote is. =P
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I know right..lol thanks...if I did I wouldn't tease. id more then likely take requests on testing things people would want to know.
Maybe if IM lucky they would look out for me like that but I wouldn't hold my breathe on it. Lol
Send Gary a pm or email saying what you said here
By tease ... I meant... Not revealing any info on you receiving one. This forum isn't going to take that well if you received one for free...
Thus, if you do receive one... ANY info. (even if you wanted to do testing for others) on it should be disclosed & keep it personal to yourself.
I'll pass, only motherboards from ASUS from here on out. It's too bad they're making the nexus tab.
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Maybe Samsung has something up their sleeve?
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I have to say: Forget Samsung. I've got a S+, the device itself is good, but Samsung's support is the worst I've ever seen. You believe Asus is a bad company? They shipped out free GPS-dongles for at least *some* customers and they really seem to try to sort issues out (although they obviously fail).
Now to my experience with Samsung: The S+ is offered by Amazon since the 1st July '11, what has Samsung done since then? They added more bloatware to their ROM and managed to decrease the performance. I also bought the S+, because I thought it would get an Update to ICS, and I was not alone with that opinion. Well, Samsung has not updated to ICS, because our device "can't handle it", instead they released a "Value Pack", which adds the look of ICS. Arco ported ICS9 to the S+ and it runs better than all GB versions from Samsung. And remember, Samsung also "wants" you to flash through Kies.
If you want something that works out-of-the-box, then pick everything but Samsung.
My experience with Asus is definetley better than with Samsung.
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By tease ... I meant... Not revealing any info on you receiving one. This forum isn't going to take that well if you received one for free...
Thus, if you do receive one... ANY info. (even if you wanted to do testing for others) on it should be disclosed & keep it personal to yourself.
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point taken. honestly, IM interested in their win8 talerts now. I can't imagine infinity pad experience being much different than prime. aside from higher resolution screen. that transformer book or 600 or 800 is what I really want. I wouldn't mind getting back into windows scene again.
Theres a ton of tablets about to drop soon. font know if its a good idea to get one of these new ones or wait till 2013. by then these new tablets will have newer upgraded processors. Android or win8 with tegra4 is what IM really waiting for. even quad core exynos would be good. ibe seen some articles stating new T3+ will likely be used in new tablets and not just phones. I see nvidia milking tegra3 or T3+ till tegra4 is ready. I think tegra4 might pop up end of q1 2013 or q2 if we lucky.
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point taken. honestly, IM interested in their win8 talerts now. I can't imagine infinity pad experience being much different than prime. aside from higher resolution screen. that transformer book or 600 or 800 is what I really want. I wouldn't mind getting back into windows scene again.
Theres a ton of tablets about to drop soon. font know if its a good idea to get one of these new ones or wait till 2013. by then these new tablets will have newer upgraded processors. Android or win8 with tegra4 is what IM really waiting for. even quad core exynos would be good. ibe seen some articles stating new T3+ will likely be used in new tablets and not just phones. I see nvidia milking tegra3 or T3+ till tegra4 is ready. I think tegra4 might pop up end of q1 2013 or q2 if we lucky.
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You do realize that Tegra 3+ and even Tegra 4 (grey) is based on A9 right? Which .. like you said.. is basically milking Tegra 3 & nothing more... without significant improvement... except.. drop to 28nm, increase clock speed & increase GPU core to make it sound like it is vast improvement. All the issues & bottlenecks being found in Tegra 3 will persist as it shares the same architecture.
Tegra 4 (wayne).. if it is even Tegra 4 anymore .... most likely will be delayed even further to late 2013.
Jake Y. Tweet said:
I have to say: Forget Samsung. I've got a S+, the device itself is good, but Samsung's support is the worst I've ever seen. You believe Asus is a bad company? They shipped out free GPS-dongles for at least *some* customers and they really seem to try to sort issues out (although they obviously fail).
Now to my experience with Samsung: The S+ is offered by Amazon since the 1st July '11, what has Samsung done since then? They added more bloatware to their ROM and managed to decrease the performance. I also bought the S+, because I thought it would get an Update to ICS, and I was not alone with that opinion. Well, Samsung has not updated to ICS, because our device "can't handle it", instead they released a "Value Pack", which adds the look of ICS. Arco ported ICS9 to the S+ and it runs better than all GB versions from Samsung. And remember, Samsung also "wants" you to flash through Kies.
If you want something that works out-of-the-box, then pick everything but Samsung.
My experience with Asus is definetley better than with Samsung.
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You do realize you are comparing Smartphone support to Tablet support. Can't compare the two...
Smartphone.. due to "carrier" restrictions.. have pathetic support throughout the whole sector. Even the "Nexus" devices have craptastic support in s/w....
Also, Samsung devices are released with unlocked bootloader & nvflash....
Asus devices aren't....