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So I know that there is a chip set I believe the Qualcomm msm8960 that supports all lte bands but does the chip in the photon sport lte? also does anybody know if any phone has the msm8960 chipset in it on sprint currently? Just looking for everybodys thoughts on the news today.
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Well - my thoughts on it. By the time that LTE is rolled out on Sprint, most of us if not all of us will be on a new phone. So it really doesn't matter if this phone supports it or not.
the Photon does not support LTE
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the Photon does not support LTE
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I have heard otherwise but still cannot get a straight answer... we are talking about LightSquared 4G LTE, and I spoke to nearly 10 Sprint/Motorola reps and they all say yes, but then I here no. We are not talking about Verizon LTE.
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Why is LTE like all over the build.prop then?
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Why is LTE like all over the build.prop then?
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Verizon is also slathered all over the framwork files. Phone still doesn't run on their network.
It could be possible depending on what frequencies were rolled out that you could pick up and authenticate to them. Though we have a SIM card slot LTE standard does not Require a SIM card. I have a feeling though it would never happen.
Like I said in my above post I highly doubt any of us will actually have this phone once LTE is available.
All of it really depends on what Sprint does and how they handle their particular implementation.
Look at this and give your opinion...
09/20/2011
BUFFALO, NY — Verizon Wireless announced today it will launch its 4G LTE high-speed data network in the Buffalo/Niagara area on October 20. Residents, businesses and visitors to the area will be able to use their 4G LTE smartphones, tablets, notebooks, laptop modems and hotspots to take advantage of speeds up to 10 times faster than the company’s 3G network. At launch, 4G LTE will be available from the Hamburg and Orchard Park areas in the south to the Niagara Falls and eastern Grand Island areas in the north and east toward the Clarence, Cheektowaga and Depew areas. This deployment is part of the company’s nationwide rollout of its super-fast data network, scheduled to be complete by the end of 2013.
“We’re excited to lead the Buffalo/Niagara area into the 4G LTE wireless broadband world, helping residents, businesses, and local government connect faster and more fully with each other and with those outside the area,” said Russ Preite, president of Verizon Wireless’ Upstate New York Region. “Our 4G LTE network is revolutionizing the way people communicate. We know this connectivity will be a key communications and technology enabler for many years to come.”
In real-world, fully-loaded network environments, 4G LTE users should experience average data rates of 5 to 12 megabits per second (Mbps) on the downlink and 2 to 5 Mbps on the uplink – perfect for surfing the Web, streaming video, and downloading large files wirelessly.
Verizon Wireless introduced the globe’s first large-scale LTE network on December 5, 2010 and is quickly expanding national coverage, currently offering service in 143 markets covering more than half the U.S. population. The company is on course to cover more than 185 million Americans with 4G LTE by the end of 2011. The service launched in the Rochester and New York City markets in December and recently went live in the Albany, Syracuse and Ithaca areas. When customers travel outside of a 4G LTE coverage area, their 4G devices automatically connect to Verizon Wireless’ 3G network, enabling them to stay connected from coast to coast.
As the first wireless company in the world to broadly deploy game-changing 4G LTE technology, Verizon Wireless is committed to building its 4G network with the same performance and reliability for which it has long been recognized. Verizon Wireless’ consistent focus on reliability is based on rigid engineering standards and a disciplined deployment approach year after year. The company’s 700 MHz spectrum gives Verizon Wireless specific advantages with 4G, including a contiguous, nationwide network license.
Visit www.verizonwireless.com/lte for more information about Verizon Wireless’ 4G LTE network.
Buffalo doesnt even have full 3g let alone 4g with sprint yet here comes Big Red to **** **** up for everyone...
Kcarpenter said:
Well - my thoughts on it. By the time that LTE is rolled out on Sprint, most of us if not all of us will be on a new phone. So it really doesn't matter if this phone supports it or not.
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I think I will still have the same phone because it looks like it might only be 6 months away...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20...aunch-own-4g-lte-network-in-early-2012-scoop/
May be wishful thinking, but we can dream, right?
my2cents said:
I think I will still have the same phone because it looks like it might only be 6 months away...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20...aunch-own-4g-lte-network-in-early-2012-scoop/
May be wishful thinking, but we can dream, right?
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I'll believe it when I see it. Honestly - I live so far out in the country ill probably never have 4G service, but we'll see.
There are a lot of rumors flying about with the October 7th meeting.
Not true. There is already a list of supported phones. Lte and Rev b and the photon is not listed. So much for a world phone.
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Not true. There is already a list of supported phones. Lte and Rev b and the photon is not listed. So much for a world phone.
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Hard to support 9 different standards.
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ricocollege said:
Not true. There is already a list of supported phones. Lte and Rev b and the photon is not listed. So much for a world phone.
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Can you post the link to this list?
ricocollege said:
Not true. There is already a list of supported phones. Lte and Rev b and the photon is not listed. So much for a world phone.
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I would like to see this list of lte rev b phones, and for those of you out in the country I bet you get lte coverage soon once light squared is up and running all it takes is a receiver to the tower to enable lte. Plus strange thing about the announcement is that sprint is building the lte network and not out sourcing it like their current network.hopefully that is good news.
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Where's the List? Wheres Your Facts?????
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Not true. There is already a list of supported phones. Lte and Rev b and the photon is not listed. So much for a world phone.
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thats odd, a google search only brings up one thing about a list.....YOUR POST.
The photon is in FACT evdo Revision B capable with it's qualcomm cdma mdm6600 chip
there is no such list of supported phones anywhere on sprint for lte because no such list exists
the Photon 4g uses a BECEEM chip for its wimax, indications are that this is the beceem bcs 500 chip that is in fact wimax AND lte capable, motorola has been working with this company on just such a chip, while circumstantial at this time, there is a very strong amount of circumstantial evidence that the photon 4g has the beceem bcs 500 chip in it, some sprint reps and some folks at mortorola have stated this as well besides motorolas partnership with beceem and the beceem chip shipped out first quarter of 2011.
please stop posting disinformation
neither evdo rev b or a wimax/lte chip have anything at all to do with the photon being a worldphone
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the Photon does not support LTE
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lots of rumors, partnerships, statemens that it does indeed support lte, that the motorola photon 4g has the beceem bcs 500 chip in it, the fcc hardware specs are classified til jan 2 of 2012, rather odd since no other phone has a gag order on its wimax chip, motorola has been working with beceem for two years on just such a chip, beceems first wimax/lte chip shipped out first quarter of 2011, plans for the chip began in early 2010. Photon began production in 2nd quarter of 2011. There is no concrete evidence yet but we do know for a fact the photon has a beceem chip, i suspect the truth comes out in january, one can clearly understand why sprint wouldnt want this info out just yet and I suspect people who make such short statements saying it doesnt have not spent five minutes researching the topic otherwise they wouldnt be soo convinced it doesnt. feel free to google beceem, motorola, beceem bcs 500 chip etc. and connect the dots folks.
only one posting claiming it has the beceem bcs 350 chip and thats all that post says, no support at all of their claims.
mystery, intrigue, classified fcc documents with held from the public, partnership between motorola and beceem, sprint switching to lte, beceem the only maker of a wimax/lte compatible chip who the hell else would they be selling that chip to? verizon? like I said folks......do about twelve hours of research on the topic as I have and see if you come away confident with the statement that the photon does not support lte. and dont forget to hook the photon up to your computer, lte is all over the build files.
Yup! I concur! We're light years away from getting any network improvements...lol
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Well - my thoughts on it. By the time that LTE is rolled out on Sprint, most of us if not all of us will be on a new phone. So it really doesn't matter if this phone supports it or not.
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If you turn on WiMAX then dial ##786# it lists the WiMAX chipset as bece3502 take that for what you want.
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Lte seems like a no go:
deedscreen said:
I have heard otherwise but still cannot get a straight answer... we are talking about LightSquared 4G LTE, and I spoke to nearly 10 Sprint/Motorola reps and they all say yes, but then I here no. We are not talking about Verizon LTE.
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Hearing otherwise and knowing for a fact are two different things. The Photon does not have the capability to use LTE....Fact
halfdriven said:
Hearing otherwise and knowing for a fact are two different things. The Photon does not have the capability to use LTE....Fact
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Ha
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jeriel05 said:
Lte seems like a no go:
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Maybe yes, maybe no. All the screen print shows is that LTE isn't in the current software build.
Could a future software build enable LTE? I don't know.
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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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Why? If you have an upgrade now use it. It will be some time before it will be operational and have phones for it.
Considering how "fast" wimax deployment was, you could get the 3D without much risk, IMO.
If they just signed the delivery expect it to be a while before the conversion even starts and the even longer before they start hitting anything but very large markets
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My city is always one of the first to get new networks. Austin, TX. We have Dell, IBM, Intel, Google, and AMD all with large offices here, I assume that's why.
But yeah I think I should be good waiting and getting the Evo 3D
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I knew wimax was a stupid move, no surprise.
Thank God, screw verizon
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And they picked the LTE service that has huge problems with GPS interference, how awesome!!
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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You're speculating that it will have better building penetration, because we don't know what frequency band it will be initially launched on.
Right now, Sprint has access to the 2.5ghz band, where WiMax sits. If sprint uses it for an initial launch, building penetration won't be any better then with WiMax.
You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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I'm pretty sure in the deal Sprint is providing the network. That's the main thing that's in it for Lightsquared.
I like Wimax. LTE will just be a bonus. Wimax does a great job as is.
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I too like Wimax, but I think LTE has greater long term potential. I am glad that Sprint is investing in LTE.
Arbron said:
Sprint signed a $20 billion 15 year agreement with Lightsquare to build and use a 4G LTE network.
It made me put a halt in buying the 3D, as I would rather have LTE than WiMax. If only for the better building penetration, I get no 4G at work with my Evo, but a friend gets almost full bars with LTE.
But I suppose it would be at least a year before the network launches with LTE phones anyway right?
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I dont have time right now to search for ya but jump into the Evo4G general forum and search clearwire and read up a lot there.
LTE is NOT better than WiMax and vice versa. Its all about the network and how the tech is deployed to us. You put LTE on the same towers as WiMax is right now and same freq, then you will end up with the exact same problems we all have right now with WiMax.
That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
its all about tower placement and freq and combination of the two.
Since your new, you should search around and read up on Sprints Project Leapfrog(Network Vision Upgrade) that is underway and will be better for Sprint and all of us.
Upgrade every year.. no worries. LTE wont hit the market in the next few months.. i dont expect to see it in the next 6 months. The E3D will do you just fine till a LTE phone is avail, and by then, your going to want to get the next best phone out anyways.
enjoy the phone or whatever phone you choose to go with.
Here is a good article about Wimax and LTE:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/060710-tech-argument-lte-wimax.html
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That news there is lil old too, and even more so Clear got the clear to increase the width of their channels from 5.5MHz to 20MHz from the FCC. They ran tests long ago at 20MHz and were hitting 80Mbps! Though yes speed is nothing if you can't connect to it. lol
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
Edit: I've just taken a peek at the tentative agenda, and the actual june meeting, and it wasn't there. July 12th the next meeting.
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You all are speculating that Sprint will even use them for mobile data and not backhaul.
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Bwahahahahaha!! You right, but you're speculating that we're speculating that you're speculating that we're speculating on what Sprint's speculating!
It seems no one really knows what's going on ... That includes Sprint! Did I just speculate again?
Ahah, found something definitive. According to this article I just found it seems they are indeed planning to switch to LTE. So now I just wonder what the benefits of LTE over WiMAX are? Bit for bit WiMAX is more efficient so it's not that.
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/fcc-consider-proposal-could-boost-clearwire-network-speeds/2011-05-23
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Could you provide me the link of Clear getting the clear from FCC? Their June 9th proposal was scrapped, which means either means postpone for a later date, or nixed completely. I'm going to wait for official news with Sprint, Clearwire, and Cox, before I speak on the matter. Your post is the bigger news to me.
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Yeah, I found it completely odd that no blog or anyone else mentioned anything about the stuff after the date came and went with nothing big announced at all so I ended up emailing the FCC Press Secretary, Office of the Chairman Neil Derek Grace. He looked into the specific agenda item which i found odd to be on the pre-prelim agenda and then when the next prelim agenda for that meeting was released it was not on there at all and no notice of its removal b/c it wasn't the actual prelim agenda right before the mtg.
Here is what I wrote him:
According to the tentative agenda http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0519/DOC-306766A1.pdf the June 9th meeting was supposed to go over the following:
"Wider Channel Bandwidths FNPRM: An FNPRM seeking comment on a proposal which may permit operators to use spectrum more efficiently by enabling the use of wider channel bandwidths for the provision of broadband services in the Broadband Radio Service (BRS) and the Educational Broadband Service (EBS)."
Is there a reason this was dropped from the agenda suddenly and when will this issue get addressed?
Best Regards,
Jase S.
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Here are the two quotes from Neil in regards to the issue.
"Hi Jase - this was voted on between the preminary notice and the meeting, which is why it wasn't on the final agenda. "
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"Hi Jase –
Yes, this is routine. If an item is voted on before the meeting, it’s removed from the agenda because it no longer needs to be considered. It was voted & adopted on 5/24 and released on 5/27. If you want to look at the docket for results – it’s item 11-81.
Thanks - Neil"
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Now I looked for that through the FCC site through their search but couldn't find it b/c the results were nothing near what I wanted it seemed. In the end I figured he was right as it took him a few days to get me an official answer on it. His first response was for me to hang while he looked into it.
Though if you find anything different to conflict with that let me know and ill be sure to shoot the guy back and see whats up.
I just got mine today and so far im very happy. The pentile display isn't at all noticeable (and im pretty nit picky). The rep did say that it appears that they've improved the screen on newer stock. I timed my purchase so that if the epic 4g touch (galaxy s 2) comes out next month as is expected then i should still be in the 30 day return policy.
On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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On another note, i found out today that apparently sprint is switching to or adding a 4g LTE network. Not sure if this will replace wimax or supplement it. So far I've heard this from three different sprint employees who i know and trust.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Sorry not trying to be mean or anything but that's not news. It's been reported for a while now.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
I'm not 100% on a simple software upgrade but after LTE is put up wimax will still be around for a year or 2 after the fact so we won't be obsolete for that time frame...
If you are close to upgrading now, you shouldn't wait it will be awhile before they start releasing phones for LTE,
I work for sprint and we have got newsletters that Dan Hesse will announce our 4g lte plans in october.
Lightsquare is the company sprint signed the deal with
And more than that it will be a while before there is a wide LTE deployment anywhere but a major city. LTE isn't going to be a serious factor for most sprint customers for two years at least.
(I live in a city with one million people in the metro area and we still don't have WiMAX... I'm not holding my breath for 4g service anytime soon.)
One thing to keep in mind, is that Sprint could very well continue to make use of WiMAX alongside of LTE technology. WiMAX is PURELY for data, whereas LTE is used for both. There is no reason why LTE has to necessarily replace WiMAX.
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Yeah Sprint signed a deal to install LTE, and since Sprint has stopped with their Wimax installs I would say that they are switching gears and going to LTE instead of Wimax. From what the network engineers have told me, its a simple software upgrade so I'm hoping my new Photon will not be obsolete.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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From my understanding it's not just a simple sofware upgrade for phones. The Photon doesn't have the LTE radios installed to receive the signal.
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But from what I have read and have been corrected in another thread the LTE will be on 3 different spectrum's not just one like Verizon. There is some website that shows the hardware differences and stuff and in there is info on how they will implement LTE.
Snippet from http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219837
Currently, Sprint/Nextel/Clear has three different protocols on three different spectrum bands distibuted on 82,000 towers. By comparison, Verizon and AT&T have about 40,000 towers each. Network Vision will reduce the number of towers to around 45,000 to 50,000 towers, while setting up the remaining towers to handle all three spectrum bands (800 MHz, 1.9 GHz, and 2.5 GHz) and any protocol (CDMA, Wimax, LTE, etc). This will provide Sprint with substantial savings in maintenance costs.
No WiMax yet
In Omaha we don't even have WiMax yet, does this mean we never will and the Photon will never be more than a 3G phone?
I'm a.happy e3d owner but knowing that the photon is a world phone with gsm radios on top of cdma I have a question..now that you guys have an unlocked bootloader (congratulations) do you think its possible that the photon will be able to run on t mobile or at&t LTE bands or at least hspa+ That would be pretty sick knowing that Wimax on sprint is.pretty useless at least for me...
I'm a Sprint Product Launch Ambassador for the Photon 4G and a corporate Sprint Technician.
The Network is upgradable, but the phones are not. Choose to upgrade today and I'll bet you a fiver you'll be up for upgrade again by the time LTE is actually flipped on.
The Network Vision equipment is so modular, that multiple technologies can be run in one single Base Station. Easy to upgrade, switch out, and plenty of slots to run LTE + Wimax concurrently.
I highly doubt our network engineers are going to get a mandate that states shut down Wimax on X day, and leave all users out in the cold with those devices. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It will be just like the current migration of Iden, those who choose to move over to CDMA on their next upgrade can do so, those who choose not to (that NEED PTT as a requirement) will have the option to use the new Direct Connect Network when they are ready to upgrade phones later...as it's easier to just drop the Iden line of Phones and carry the next gen CDMA Nextel line in it's place for upgraders to choose from. Something that will give us a 2 year buffer for those clinging to the PTT service as a must before it's shut down completely...but by then, no one will have not had the opportunity during an upgrade to choose CDMA totally or the new CDMA PTT services.
So, that means those cities that don't already have WiMax will still get it on schedule in spite of the move to LTE?
Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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You really shouldn't let 4g be the deciding factor. I have 4g where I live and I don't even use it once a month. 4g is a battery hog. Besides even if it wasn't and you were putting 4g to good use on Verizon your bill would be through the roof.
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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Theoretically isn't going to work, I don't want to be stuck with a 3G phone for two years. I REALLY like this phone, but I am seriously considering taking it back and switching to Verizon for the similar Bionic. I don't want a monster phone crippled by 3G slowness.......
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I can count on my thumb how many times I have switched on 4G on my Photon the last two weeks.
So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
Sadly there is no LTE antenna.
Unfortunately AT&T calls our phone 4g. Really it's like 3.5g. The HSPA+ antenna in our phones is just glorified 3G. They just fancied up their 3G towers to handle data better. Hints we can get up to 14 Megs a second if we are lucky. Though I have only seen it near the 6 Meg mark.
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So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
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The Atrix was labeled as a 4G phone as a marketing trick, but its "4G" is really just a slightly modified 3G and is not compatible with LTE.
Jonny Steele said:
So i live the Dallas Ft worth area of TX and have ATT. ATT now says that 4G LTE is available in DFW, but i havnt gotten it yet. I still see the H with the 2 arrows for data and ATT says i should see a 4G symbol.
Is there something i need to do to get the LTE?
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I came to this thread at first thinking you were joking but yes, unfortunately Companies like ATT and Rogers where I am from market there HSPA+ devices as 4G and differentiate the two technologies by saying '4G' and 'LTE' respectively. They are scamming their customers with this. According to the wireless device spec, 4G technology is only LTE but the companies decide to market things however they want to; bending the truth to make a sale.
Sorry that they tricked you, as they have to millions of customers who are now cheated into upgrading to a valid LTE phone less than a year after they purchased their '4G' phone.
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I came to this thread at first thinking you were joking but yes, unfortunately Companies like ATT and Rogers where I am from market there HSPA+ devices as 4G and differentiate the two technologies by saying '4G' and 'LTE' respectively. They are scamming their customers with this. According to the wireless device spec, 4G technology is only LTE but the companies decide to market things however they want to; bending the truth to make a sale.
Sorry that they tricked you, as they have to millions of customers who are now cheated into upgrading to a valid LTE phone less than a year after they purchased their '4G' phone.
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In December 2010, the ITU declared HSPA+ as 4G. Prior to that declaration, not even LTE qualified as 4G. Only Wimax and LTE-Advanced were considered 4G.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
If people would stop saying hspa+ is not 4G (i don't care if you disagre it has officially been certified as 4G) and rather just explain that hspa+, and LTE are two different versions of 4G currently marketed by Att of which LTE is the faster things might go smoother for everybody....
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If people would stop saying hspa+ is not 4G (i don't care if you disagre it has officially been certified as 4G) and rather just explain that hspa+, and LTE are two different versions of 4G currently marketed by Att of which LTE is the faster things might go smoother for everybody....
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Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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The problem is you don't make the standards, by refusing to accept them you are only spreading more confusion and making the problem worse. Both LTE and hspa+ are officially certified as 4G, and will from this point on be advertised as 4G. Did you know all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.... hmm guess I can say stupid stuff irrelevant to the conversation as well
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xfinrodx said:
Come on, pal... if hydrochloric acid is defined as "water" will you drink it? HSPA+ is not 4g. Redefining standards to accommodate what is currently available does not change reality. Many people can't just swallow the blue pill... Others will call hydrochloric acid water. Good luck getting people to switch camps!
Marketing dishonesty sucks...
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LTE is not 4G either by the initial definition. Blame the ITU, not AT&T. If the ITU says it is, you can't fault AT&T for calling it 4G.
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The problem is you don't make the standards, by refusing to accept them you are only spreading more confusion and making the problem worse. Both LTE and hspa+ are officially certified as 4G, and will from this point on be advertised as 4G. Did you know all thumbs are fingers, but not all fingers are thumbs.... hmm guess I can say stupid stuff irrelevant to the conversation as well
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A worthless reply, not worth my time to say any more.
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LTE is not 4G either by the initial definition. Blame the ITU, not AT&T. If the ITU says it is, you can't fault AT&T for calling it 4G.
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Thank you for adding to the conversation. I am not at all confident in the ITA personally... To me, it has looked like they bowed their definition to the initial dishonest advertising and changed the meaning of 4g to fit what the industry in the US wanted it to be. Lot of blame to go around in my eyes, some toward at&t, T-Mobile, sprint, ITU... Just disappointing as a consumer that what was defined originally has been repeatedly backed off of to the detriment of the consumer. Many people therefore choose not to go along with the repeatedly lowered definition: Even Motorola's engineers apparently, as you won't find a 4g icon for hspa+... Difficult situation indeed.
(ITU wasn't the first to call hspa+ 4g either...)
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no provider has real 4g at all read this
http://kschang.hubpages.com/hub/What-You-Do-NOT-Know-about-4G-Cellular-Phones
pressure from phone companies decided what they can call 4g. Some of the companies decisions have changed sprint is going to do advanced lte now rather than wimax but the article is valid nonetheless. 100 meg download is a tall order maybe one day.
This would fix things
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/10/14/new.senate.bill.should.bring.better.4g.definition/
do away with such a general description and just say what it really is. just label it a h+ phone or wimax or lte
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Listen buddy bottom line is hspa + has been approved as 4G, I don't care if you're still butt hurt because you and you're nerd herd friends had higher expectations for 4G wireless technology. However it was determined that hspa + was a big enough jump from 3G that it could be called 4G. Bottom line is we will never have truth in advertising when we advertise in G's rather than expected download speeds using X technology (hspa+/LTE/Wimax/ect.)
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Thank you for adding to the conversation. I am not at all confident in the ITA personally... To me, it has looked like they bowed their definition to the initial dishonest advertising and changed the meaning of 4g to fit what the industry in the US wanted it to be. Lot of blame to go around in my eyes, some toward at&t, T-Mobile, sprint, ITU... Just disappointing as a consumer that what was defined originally has been repeatedly backed off of to the detriment of the consumer. Many people therefore choose not to go along with the repeatedly lowered definition: Even Motorola's engineers apparently, as you won't find a 4g icon for hspa+... Difficult situation indeed.
(ITU wasn't the first to call hspa+ 4g either...)
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My guess for Motorola is that the phone was developed before HSPA+ was considered 4G which was why the H+ icon and not 4G. It was declared 4G in December and the Atrix was released in February. Technically, the Atrix would show H+ even if the phone was HSPA; there was no seperate 3G icon. So it was somewhat deceptive to put an H+ icon up even though it was only standard 3G.
I think the only retailer you can truely blame is T-Mobile. They were calling theirs 4G (HSPA+) long before the ITU caved. I believe AT&T only called it 4G after the ITU declared it as such.
That said, you definitly can blame the ITU for it. They're the standards body. Regardless of who was calling something 4G, they're the ones who determined what the definition of 4G was. They could have just stated that HSPA+ was not 4G (neither was LTE) and that T-Mobile was using false advertising. If the standard is that flexible, and they can change it on a whim, then there was no 4G standard.
As others have said, HSPA+ and LTE are different enough from 3G that you have to call it something. It's working itself out. LTE is called 4G LTE to distinguish itself.
What's the point if arguing weather its 4g or not when we all are gonna still use their phones.
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im still satisfied with my phone and had done enough reading to know what i was buying. and as for the arguing i dont think anyone here is getting to upset.this is a relevant conversation even if we had amazing download speeds who is going to start downloading movies on there phone rather than a pc especially with data caps.phone still browses can download small bits of information at a reasonable speed and holds its own compared to newer devices
While not Evo 3D related, sprint is moving forward with their Network Vision plan. Everyone has to start somewhere.
http://www.goodandevo.net/2011/12/f...int-marks-major-network-vision-milestone.html
I hope this means good things for me. I'm about an hour drive north of where they started with lte
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this is great because Sprint has so many LTE phones to choose from.
Hopefully the deployment will go much better than the joke that was the deployment of Wimax.
newboyx said:
Hopefully the deployment will go much better than the joke that was the deployment of Wimax.
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Yeah, hope they keep their promise of every customer having LTE by 2013. Haha
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t3project said:
this is great because Sprint has so many LTE phones to choose from.
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bwahahahahahaahahaha
This is why I'm waiting until long after my renewal upgrade is available (march) to re-sign. I'd be an idiot to waste my upgrade on a phone that can't take advantage of the coming upgraded tech. I'm hoping my 3D is only going to be needed for 6mths or so.
The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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That would be awesome.
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That would be awesome.
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Too bad it's totally false. It's either going to be a WiMax device or an LTE device (for 4G phones.)
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The sprint towers being deployed for lte are multimodal. Meaning they support multiple bands and would give us better signal all around and faster 3g when they do the 800 mhz switch.
Also I've read rumored (I know rumors are just that) that sprint may release phones that support both lte and wimax in 1 chip. If you upgrade to 1 of those earlier models coming out, you should be in the clear. We'll see though.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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I'm with you on that one, Slim. I switched to Sprint 18 months ago (EVO 4G) on the promise of 4G. Now, my bustling college town 100 miles from DC STILL doesn't have Wimax, 3G is STILL a joke here and there's no way I can reasonably expect LTE to be implemented here for at least another year or so. Oh yeah, and voice coverage is so bad that walking inside a one-story brick building, my office, routinely causes dropped calls.
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It took Sprint how long to release a Wimax phone after the first Wimax tower was put up?
As I recall, Sprint was only selling Wimax data cards for quite a while before the Evo 4G launched.
If history repeats, Sprint won't have an LTE (or network optimized, whatever) phone for quite a while. And when they do get one, they will probably require all kinds of increased fees and plans in order to get it.
I hope I'm wrong, but my faith in Sprint is pretty low these days.
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read up much? obv not....
WiMax was up well before Sprint had a WiMax phone b/c Clearwire had WiMax up and was doing nothing but data plans for people.
Regardless of History the VP Sprint has already stated many times their first LTE phone will come around 2nd half of 2012. Lately being more specific he said it looks like 3rd qtr of 2012.
You can say what you want about their lack of wimax in cities after saying they would have it but i bet you wont find where the VP was stating wimax would be in city X by time X and then they failed to comply. Most of the claims of wimax coming to city X's are from sprint reps which we all know is complete crap. All the other statements are very general.
LTE phone will be on sprints network next year i guarantee it, willing to bet whatever you want on that. The WiMax rollout is completely different than the LTE rollout. LTE already has its suppliers signed up and set to roll out in their respective sections of the US. On top of that they have Lightsquared coming in too doing their LTE, and then in future after 2015 you have Clearwire going LTE.
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LOL, right?
I manage to live in this pocket of the bay area that technology has forgot. I don't get it. There's almost literally money falling out of trees here (or, off of vines, I suppose ) but the technology is SO far behind in every way.
Next time I move I will be paying a LOT more attention to the technology aspect of where I am going. I won't be holding my breath expecting to get LTE here by 2013, and probably no where near then.
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read up much? obv not....
WiMax was up well before Sprint had a WiMax phone b/c Clearwire had WiMax up and was doing nothing but data plans for people.
Regardless of History the VP Sprint has already stated many times their first LTE phone will come around 2nd half of 2012. Lately being more specific he said it looks like 3rd qtr of 2012.
You can say what you want about their lack of wimax in cities after saying they would have it but i bet you wont find where the VP was stating wimax would be in city X by time X and then they failed to comply. Most of the claims of wimax coming to city X's are from sprint reps which we all know is complete crap. All the other statements are very general.
LTE phone will be on sprints network next year i guarantee it, willing to bet whatever you want on that. The WiMax rollout is completely different than the LTE rollout. LTE already has its suppliers signed up and set to roll out in their respective sections of the US. On top of that they have Lightsquared coming in too doing their LTE, and then in future after 2015 you have Clearwire going LTE.
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IIRC, Clearwire LTE "hotspots" will be available in 2013.
I am also certain that the first LTE phone will available in Q3 2012 as planned. Otherwise, Sprint will become a penny stock, and we will have to lynch CEO Dan Hesse.
Jayavarman said:
IIRC, Clearwire LTE "hotspots" will be available in 2013.
I am also certain that the first LTE phone will available in Q3 2012 as planned. Otherwise, Sprint will become a penny stock, and we will have to lynch CEO Dan Hesse.
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yeah i said 2015 for main clearwire move to LTEAdvanced b/c Sprint stated they are supporting WiMax through 2015.
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yeah i said 2015 for main clearwire move to LTEAdvanced b/c Sprint stated they are supporting WiMax through 2015.
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Well if Sprint didn't support it till then they would piss a lot of people off, just saying,
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As long as they get a phone with LTE by July, I'll be happy.
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As long as they get a phone with LTE by July, I'll be happy.
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not likely. VP said 3rd qtr last time he spoke. few months wont make much diff anyway. I just hope that "phone" hes talking about isn't the iPhone5 with LTE as i refuse to get that.
I just dont want to deal with HTC releasing another WiMax super phone in juneish and then doing a LTE phone the following year. Unless that WiMax phone has the new qualcomm chips that have LTE modem built into the die! That will be my next phone whenever it comes period.
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
I'm not sure if HTC is going to make an Evo LTE. They are usually first with this stuff and it seems like the Galaxy Nexus will be the first Sprint LTE device. Still, there is the possibility of an Evo LTE.
if all that happens, and we get to keep our unlimited data plans ill be forever joyful
after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone.
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Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
sitlet said:
Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Right.
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Cool. So I'll be able to change phones at the end of my two year contract. Awesome.
Evo_J said:
I'm sure i'm not the only one who has posted this but i have more information on it. Sprint has already started the phasing out wimax. Wimax signal in various areas in Texas(San Antonio, Some of Houston, and Bits of Dallas).
They're currently in phase 1 of launching LTE, the difference to be seen will be obviously faster 4G(from a max of 10 mps with Wimax to 68 on LTE), better battery life due to it using a more passive scan and automatic connection. More 4G in more areas, even in rural areas and suburbs.
On top of the LTE upgrade, we will have significantly better 3G and will rarely fall down to 1x. There are no devices currently but we will be getting the Galaxy Nexus(pretty much the same version as Verizon).
Obviously our beloved 3D's will be left without complete usage after Q2, when LTE will be the new Sprint Standard and Wimax will be mostly gone. Rumors are springing up that right after the Galaxy Nexus comes available to Sprint consumers, that Samsung, and HTC will be releasing LTE phones similar to the Epic Touch 2 and evo 4g/3D(another 3d phone is not guaranteed).
This is information from article that are true, from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint, and Tech support agent with sprint, and the conferences posted on sprint's website
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Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
tailsthecat3 said:
Lotta false info. Gotta love it.
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I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
megabiteg said:
I'm not going to side with the op on saying that everything posted is right, but from where I come from if you shoot a rebuttal, you have to attach the facts.... Facts please?
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Here's the rebuttal
http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/01/sprint-and-clearwire-ink-new-4g-wimax-and-lte-agreement/
Now where is the fact the OP got? That's right, a "friend". He is full of ****
Evo_J said:
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This is from a family friend that is a field technician for sprint.....
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And the world is gonna end December 21,2012.....no LTE for anyone
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Jayavarman said:
Per the agreement with Clearwire, 4G Wimax will remain available for Sprint customers at least through 2015.
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+ 10000000000 that's what I was gonna say noobs lol
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Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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can i haz Q1 roadmap/training documents plz?
luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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No, You are wrong. They will not run Tri-mode. Though Sprint did mention at the CES that there is a Sierra Wireless Tri-Network Hotspot device that will work with 3G/Wimax/Lte.
"The new tri-network (CDMA, WiMAX, LTE) mobile hotspot offers that for data-hungry customers. Owen said that tri-network phones are cost prohibitive, so it will offer CDMA/WiMax and CDMA/LTE devices at the same time as it completes its transition from WiMax to LTE 4G networking technologies. " - source: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/ne....com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=21930619=3475
sitlet said:
Not true. Wimax will continue to work until at least the end of 2013. They are just not expanding it anymore, but it will still work.
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Wrong again. Sprint has stated many times they are committed to supporting WiMax THROUGH 2015.
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luck13lefty said:
Sprint's LTE devices are going to be tri mode phones. What that means is they will work on 3G,4G Wimax and 4G LTE. The Galaxy Nexus and LG Viper are included in this. Also Sprint's Nexus will be 32 GB while Big Red is only 16 GB and the Sprint one is going to have Google wallet. I have a reliable source, me being an employee.
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no offense but you also are wrong as previously noted by another poster in regards to tri-mode stuff. Hotspot device is the only one that will be "tri-band."
And all the info about the Sprint Nexus was mentioned at/during CES so you being an employee has nothing to do with it really.
From what I understand...
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
Raghnall said:
From what I understand...
Sprint will be supporting WiMax up through at least 2015. That is not to say they will or will not continue to support it after 2015, just that they are contractually obligated to through 2015.
WiMax will be supported, but no new WiMax towers will be setup (no expansion)
All Current iDen, 3G, and WiMax towers will receive the new multi-mode (iDen/3G/LTE) upgrades. that is to say that all current towers will gain iDen, 3G, and LTE functionality, but not WiMax. The WiMax towers will thus be iDen/3G/LTE/WiMax towers.
Again this is only what I understand, not to say that it is 100% correct or if I am 100% correct in my understanding, what will actually happen (things don't always go according to plan).
P.S. I have attached what I feel is the most relevant slide from the Oct 7, 2011 Network Vision Strategy Update (Do a Google search for "Network Vision Strategy Update" and it should be the first pdf).
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One thing your wrong about is that it wont be ALL towers getting the network vision upgrade. BUT the ones that dont get it will NOT be used any more. Part of NetworkVision is eliminating some towers for them completely.
Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Well, Sprint just turned on 4g wimax in parts of Memphis so it seems they are still expanding their wimax coverage.
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Sprint isn't, but Clear probably is.
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