But why?!?
The Qualcomm CPU should kick ass. (Granted, it might not be faster than the Exynos in SGII but it shouldn't be MUCH slower) The GPU is also on par, if not faster than the Mali and Tegra GPU...
So why do my Benchmark scores kinda suck? My Tegra2 powered 7 inch tablet usually gets way better scores than my Evo3D... On some benchmarks it's even noticably behind LG Optimus 2X and similar phones that it should be AT LEAST on par with, if not faster...
Is it only the ROM that's at fault here or what's going on? What benchmark scores do the rest of you get? Smartbench, Antutu, Quadrant, CF Bench and all the rest of them?
(And yes, the phone is smooth enough in everyday use. And benchmarks don't mean everything, but it DOES mean something...)
It only means anything if all you do is bench testing on your phone. Try play games, watch films and take some picture with youe phone instead.
The mal 400 is way faster than anything else in android phones.
Never the less, nothing comes close to taxing the 3d processor or go. So don't worry about benches.
What more do you really need out of EVO3D benches to see that with the right ROM, and not having 46 widgets and livewallpaper running in the background, you can get some pretty nice scores:
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Various roms, kernels, no telling really what at the time, but pretty much in line. There's something wrong with the Rom you're on, or your setup if you can't get good benches with this phone, IMHO.
What ROM, kernel, are you running, and what's a 'bad' score in your book?
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I love it when people jizz over benchmark scores. Like justj said, try some apps, games, and movies. If they run fantastically, then you're phone is running great, and you don't need to worry about silly benchmark numbers.
Real Use >>>>>>> Benchmarks
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What ROM, kernel, are you running, and what's a 'bad' score in your book?
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Ah, thank you... I'll turn off everything but the benchmarking app, and get back to you with the scores... As for "bad score" well, I'd expect it to beat my tablet (Tegra2, 1024*600 resolution) as well as the LG 2X, Atrix, Optimus 3D, and most of the newer phones on the market, really. Which it at present doesn't do. It gets beaten by the Nexus S in some benchmarks!
Video and games and so on run pretty fast and smooth, so overall I'm happy and don't place TOO much weight on benchmarks. I just find it odd, because benchmarks to certain degree DO reflect real world performance.
I'll get back to you with scores and which ROM etc. Off the top of my head, I remember it's running 2.3.4 Rogers ROM...
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Ah, thank you... I'll turn off everything but the benchmarking app, and get back to you with the scores... As for "bad score" well, I'd expect it to beat my tablet (Tegra2, 1024*600 resolution) as well as the LG 2X, Atrix, Optimus 3D, and most of the newer phones on the market, really. Which it at present doesn't do. It gets beaten by the Nexus S in some benchmarks!
Video and games and so on run pretty fast and smooth, so overall I'm happy and don't place TOO much weight on benchmarks. I just find it odd, because benchmarks to certain degree DO reflect real world performance.
I'll get back to you with scores and which ROM etc. Off the top of my head, I remember it's running 2.3.4 Rogers ROM...
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Didn't know you had a GSM phone.... Those are capped at 80% of potential speed by the Canadian Government.
(Nah, j/k).
Good luck on outbenchmarking the LG2X... (you'll need it). Benchmarks can't save a bad phone, but if they could, that's where they'd start. I've seen multiple screens from multiple Lg2x users running CM7 with Quadrant Standard scores of over 5K. That's insane.
We'll probably never see that on an EVO3D, but it doesn't matter, because ultimately, the LG2X isn't half the phone at the end of the day.
Just my 2 cents.
Edit: If your tablet happens to be a Viewsonic Gtab, well, forget that notion as well. That basically is at the top of every benchmark 'top scores' list.
I've got one.
Is it fast?
Incredibly fast.
Would I trade it right now for a "slower" tablet that was a "better" tablet?
You betcha.
Righty o...
I could always upload screenshots later if you think that might be a good idea, but here are some scores:
Antutu: 4442, which puts it behind both the S2, the Optimus 2X and the Motorola Xoom (!?!)
Nenamark 2 reported a somewhat respectable 25.6.
Smartbench 2011 (Supposedly the only benchmark suite that takes dualcore into consideration): Productivity: 2397 Games: 1650
(Which is behind the Transformer Tab and Atrix in both categories, and even behind the Nexus S and Galaxy S in Games)
Quadrant:1491 (Just ahead of Moto Droid X and Nexus One at 1250!)
Devicemark: 1325 (Equal to Desire HD, but behind the Atrix and LG 2X)
CF Bench: 8740, 1364, 4314 (Way behind both the Atrix and the Sensation?!)
I think that's it as far as the benchmarks I ran. I can upload the screenshots if you think it might help. As for the phone, it's a Rogers phone with the 2.3.4 Gingerbread, HTC software: 1.20.631.2
(BTW: What does "SMP PREEMPT" mean in the Kernel version?!?)
And no, the tablet is an Iconia A100. Zippy little thing, though I don't understand how it can run corners around my Evo with a Tegra CPU and more pixels to push...
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I could always upload screenshots later if you think that might be a good idea, but here are some scores:
Antutu: 4442, which puts it behind both the S2, the Optimus 2X and the Motorola Xoom (!?!)
Nenamark 2 reported a somewhat respectable 25.6.
Smartbench 2011 (Supposedly the only benchmark suite that takes dualcore into consideration): Productivity: 2397 Games: 1650
(Which is behind the Transformer Tab and Atrix in both categories, and even behind the Nexus S and Galaxy S in Games)
Quadrant:1491 (Just ahead of Moto Droid X and Nexus One at 1250!)
Devicemark: 1325 (Equal to Desire HD, but behind the Atrix and LG 2X)
CF Bench: 8740, 1364, 4314 (Way behind both the Atrix and the Sensation?!)
I think that's it as far as the benchmarks I ran. I can upload the screenshots if you think it might help. As for the phone, it's a Rogers phone with the 2.3.4 Gingerbread, HTC software: 1.20.631.2
(BTW: What does "SMP PREEMPT" mean in the Kernel version?!?)
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There is something seriously wrong. The least you should be getting is around 2000-2500.
Yeah, I turned off background apps, etc. What scores do people with the Rogers ROM usually get? Would backing up and then a full restore to factory settings help?
I'm rooted btw, but didn't install an alternate rom.
No question that the gs2 benches well but after having one for a couple days I missed my 3d..I trade benches for a smooth and usable UI ..but ocd I can beat the gs2 in every bench app there is ..I never felt the supposed increase in speed that the epic has ..the 3d opened my apps faster and was more stable using games that utilized the gyro ie homerun baseball 3d ..almost unplayable on the gs2..our phones have plenty of power either way we have plenty of power on tap
Nope. Quadrant seems about right from what I remember with the Rogers ROM. Not much better with LeeDroid either.
Might have to do with the inability of GSM devs to tweak the kernel and overclock as HTC messed up the board files in the kernel sources they released for the GSM.
This is what I've got with aosp oc...
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And no, the tablet is an Iconia A100. Zippy little thing, though I don't understand how it can run corners around my Evo with a Tegra CPU and more pixels to push...
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Oooh... I'm VERY interested in the A100... I'm actually going to Best Buy today, as they finally have them in stock @~300$... But they have the Flyer as well at the same price...
The a100 IS sporting a dual-core Tegra2 A9 processor, is it not?
And since HC 3.2 in a brand-new device is probably optimized better, speed-wise, I, for one, would expect it to out-perform the 3d in a benchmark test, even @ 1000Mhz.
How do you like the A100, overall?
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No, you kinda lost, because you made anyone who might be interested download a dropbox file instead of just doing this:
EDIT: WHOOPS, Sorry dude... If I had noticed you were using drocap or whatever I would've understood your need to dropbox it.
Some of those market screenshot apps just do not work. Native screenshot works fine for me..END EDIT.
(whatevs, no biggie, lol.. Nice scores.. Which Rom/kernel combo is that, if you don't mind me asking?
I'm gonna just guess and say that's an OC'd aosp rom.
Yes?
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How do you like the A100, overall?
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I actually really like it! When I was in the store, I let all the tablets do a sunspider test, and the A100 actually came out ahead of everybody, even the iPad2, so it IS a zippy little fella.
Anything in particular you'd like to know? The two cameras are just fine, the few times I used them for anything else than a webcam, they did the job fine.
Speakers are great and really loud. The screen is a bit on the dim side, but turning off the auto light in settings take care of that. It's really comfortable to hold, even for extended periods of time, even if the plastic might make it feel and look less than a premium product.
Batterylife is kinda meh, I usually don't get more than 5 hours out of it, but then again it's pretty rare that I take it somewhere where there isn't a charger around. The only thing I can think off that would require your tab to be on for 5 hours is a plane trip, and even most of those have chargers these days
The only caveat I would have, is that as a Evo3D owner a 7 inch screen might be a bit too small. I mean the difference between 7 and 4.3 inches isn't that big in daily use, and after getting the Evo I kinda find the 7 inch screen a bit on the small side. Might just be me though. If I had to choose any tablet today, I think I'd go for the Galaxy. The 10 inch size is just right, and it weighs pretty much the same as the A100, and since getting a tablet I've found out that weight means more in terms of portability than just size.
The only other thing I've found to be annoying would probably also apply to the Flyer: There aren't too many tablet apps available as it is, and the few tablet apps there are, aren't always compatible with 7 inch tabs. There are way more apps and games available for 10 inch tablets.
Oh yeah, one more thing: The A100 is super easy too root. Took me like 5 mins. But the support for it is pretty poor. There's like no ROMs available for it at all, which I find really weird. Not yet anyways, but hopefully it'll gain some devs...
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Oh yeah, one more thing: The A100 is super easy too root. Took me like 5 mins. But the support for it is pretty poor. There's like no ROMs available for it at all, which I find really weird. Not yet anyways, but hopefully it'll gain some devs...
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BTW, I posted this somewhere else, and you may already know this trick, but if you wanna "revert your UI to Gingerbread" on an HC tablet (I did.... Just not into HC yet), and since you've already rooted, if you change your density to 171 (or above) , it will revert the ui to GB, (something you might be more used to, or like better) , while maintaining compatibility with those 3.0 apps.
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Hey guys, havent really ever posted much but here goes:
I just bought the note, and switched to at&t just for the phone, i absolutely love the idea of having a small tablet that fits in your pocket that also makes your calls.
but.....
I'm comming from sprint's galaxy s2 (epic 4g touch). That phone was superfast. I feel like this phone absolutely crawls in comparison, its laggy and jumpy and things just take so long to open up... switching between things isnt as instantaneuos as before.. Another surefire way i know that something is definitely worse is that before on my gs2 i was able to run adownloader, downloading as many as 4 torrents at a time without the phone slowing down to terribly and i was even able to watch avi videos normally while downloading. now, the phone comes to a complete stop.
Now, to be fair, i did root my sg2 a few months ago and installed a custom rom but i never overclocked it, but maybe thats why that phone was faster. could it be that when devs start making custom roms for this one it will "speed up"?
Because im sorry this phone is so laggy now.....
Make sure you don't have energy saver turned on that could be causing this
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mottyengel said:
could it be that when devs start making custom roms for this one it will "speed up"?....
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Yes, in fact.
richard371 said:
Make sure you don't have energy saver turned on that could be causing this
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This helped a lot. Tyvm.
I noticed that every once in a while I have to do a "clear memory" in the task manager to speed up the Note. Not sure what's going on, maybe a memory leak. It won't be long until we have ICS and I'm sure that will speed it up quite a bit.
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Make sure you don't have energy saver turned on that could be causing this
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You mean system power saving option? Or is there another option called energy saver? Just checking you never know.
There seem to be HUGE performance differences between the LTE notes. I got lucky and have a super fast one.
Everything, and I mean everything, is hardcore fast and super smooth. This note is faster than the H+ galaxy nexus and much faster than the SGS2 Skyrocket side-by-side. Quadrant (new) scores around 2900-3200 and I'm totally stock with no modifications. Apps open instantly, there is no waiting, no stuttering and if you search for my posts, you'll see my screenshots of over 5 hours of screen on time with over 21 hours of unplugged time in an LTE zone (Atlanta).
My point being: if your Note isn't working as I have just described, be aware that there are notes out there that do, mine being one of them. Go exchange it. When you get one that performs as it should, this is the fastest and best performing phone on the market currently. I've tested it side-by-side with the best.
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And yes, when roms start coming in, this phone will scream even more. Everyone *****ing about it not having an exynos. Here's a nugget of info: you can overclock the hell out of snapdragon, much more than exynos. Clock-for-clock exynos is faster but when devs jump in, snapdragon will be faster in the long run due to overclockability. You watch, this processor will break 2ghz and still have great battery life once smart processor scaling gets implemented into ROMs.
Hell, Da_G was near 2ghz (1.93) before the phone was officially publicly released. In time, these clocks will become stable.
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Stock benchmark...
was like 2500 on quadrant but then I rooted and used the overclock kernel and I'm at 3400...I don't know how people get 2900-3200 stock highly questionable. My friend got one the same day I did and his stock is at the exact same score about 2500.
Err0xx said:
There seem to be HUGE performance differences between the LTE notes. I got lucky and have a super fast one.
Everything, and I mean everything, is hardcore fast and super smooth. This note is faster than the H+ galaxy nexus and much faster than the SGS2 Skyrocket side-by-side. Quadrant (new) scores around 2900-3200 and I'm totally stock with no modifications. Apps open instantly, there is no waiting, no stuttering and if you search for my posts, you'll see my screenshots of over 5 hours of screen on time with over 21 hours of unplugged time in an LTE zone (Atlanta).
My point being: if your Note isn't working as I have just described, be aware that there are notes out there that do, mine being one of them. Go exchange it. When you get one that performs as it should, this is the fastest and best performing phone on the market currently. I've tested it side-by-side with the best.
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I pretty much agree with this guy. My note performs absolutely flawlessly. I have root, but have not installed overclocked kernel or overclocking apps. Even with a live wallpaper running, my device seems to fly by. @OP Possibly a resource hogging app?
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was like 2500 on quadrant but then I rooted and used the overclock kernel and I'm at 3400...I don't know how people get 2900-3200 stock highly questionable. My friend got one the same day I did and his stock is at the exact same score about 2500.
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Get on YouTube. Go look up the phonedog ATT Galaxy Note review. In it, the quadrant benchmark score is 1700ish, he's using totally stock software with static wallpaper. Yours, at 2500 was 800 over his. Quadrant fluctuations? Random variables? Different note performance? My claim of 2900-3200 shouldn't be "questionable", as if your incinuating I'm lying, when there is already 800 points difference between a huge YouTube reviewer and yours.
I hate benchmarks. Don't care what they say as I find it rarely relates to real-performance. Already have quadrant uninstalled from my note. Yet people use it and live by it, so when discussing performance, I have no choice but to use it for comparison. My note absolutely screams and if yours doesn't, something, somewhere, is wrong.
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Stock rooted skyrocket..ad blocked is only thing done with root.
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It won't be long until we have ICS and I'm sure that will speed it up quite a bit.
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I wouldn't hold your breath. Besides, using golauncher works 100% on this 2.3 version, which for the most part is as stable as they get. I'm not convinced ICS has much to offer outside of a slick GUI. And that's GL does anyway
I got the same speeds this thing.is stupid fast ...all stock
Err0xx said:
There seem to be HUGE performance differences between the LTE notes. I got lucky and have a super fast one.
Everything, and I mean everything, is hardcore fast and super smooth. This note is faster than the H+ galaxy nexus and much faster than the SGS2 Skyrocket side-by-side. Quadrant (new) scores around 2900-3200 and I'm totally stock with no modifications. Apps open instantly, there is no waiting, no stuttering and if you search for my posts, you'll see my screenshots of over 5 hours of screen on time with over 21 hours of unplugged time in an LTE zone (Atlanta).
My point being: if your Note isn't working as I have just described, be aware that there are notes out there that do, mine being one of them. Go exchange it. When you get one that performs as it should, this is the fastest and best performing phone on the market currently. I've tested it side-by-side with the best.
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Just out of curiosity, what color is your Note?
My GF has the white one, and I have the carbon blue one. Just like you, hers keeps hitting quadrant scores of 2800 +, reaching up to ~ 3100. Mine has topped at 2800, hitting usually ~ 2500.
Needless to say, quadrant isn't very consistent, and hers sometimes hits around 2300, but mine has never gone over 2800.
I know that benchmark scores are in no way a reliable way of measuring a device's performance, but after paying a hefty price for the phone, and seeing that one next to mine which was also purchased at the exact same time and has the exact same specs is getting a consistent "better performance", makes me wonder if I should ask for an exchange.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
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Forgot to mention, the overall phone performance seems to be smoother on her Note. Mine has some lag, mostly on the home screen, whereas hers barely lags at all.
I have the Black one, and it is laggy as hell. I mean horrible. Like I keep debating taking it back.
Anyway, my quadrant is always around 2500.
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backtothemac said:
I have the Black one, and it is laggy as hell. I mean horrible. Like I keep debating taking it back.
Anyway, my quadrant is always around 2500.
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OK. can we get a poll here, i guess i should start a new thread for this, but mine is black and laggy as hell to. can people post their colors? Best buy said that they dont exchange for color though.. not sure what to do..
Before root and rom/kernal, Note was laggy at times, tried adw (much better) and go launcher (better) then I rooted and rom'ed and I got 3842 running the oc Kernal, its flying! I will say stock though the skyrocket I had was faster, no lag at all
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OK. can we get a poll here, i guess i should start a new thread for this, but mine is black and laggy as hell to. can people post their colors? Best buy said that they dont exchange for color though.. not sure what to do..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517550
Here is a link to a post with a poll related to what we are discussing.
thanks so much!
http://phandroid.com/2012/02/28/spr...c-one-x-variant-evo-hd-lte-coming-soon-rumor/
Not for me, but a solid upgrade for OG EVO users I guess.
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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Lol or like the fat kid eating pudding
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I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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To each there own. Me personally, I'm hoping to never see another 3d phone. As for the Tegra, if Sprint gets a varient of the X One, it will come equipped with an Quallcom s4 processor. Only the Euro varients have tegra with no LTE.
eXplicit815 said:
I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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wont be terga3 bud sorry. itll be qualcomm s4 if we get the device. HTC stated the reason the LTE version of the phone has the S4 in it was because " ...Nvidia doesn't have very solid LTE which is ready for the market yet,..." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400774,00.asp
regardless id much much rather have the new S4 chips than the terga3. it isn't all about # cores. and as ive stated many times that dualcore S4 keeps up or is better than the Terga in just about all tests that anandtech did in their article. Plus you have the advantage of battery saving with the baseband modems being built in the die so no extra LTE modem chip like we do with wimax and others do with 4G so far.
ill jump on it if they add SD card and removable battery though...wouldn't mind the shutter button being added too...
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ill jump on it if they add SD card and removable battery though...wouldn't mind the shutter button being added too...
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I'll second that motion but not otherwise
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wont be terga3 bud sorry. itll be qualcomm s4 if we get the device. HTC stated the reason the LTE version of the phone has the S4 in it was because " ...Nvidia doesn't have very solid LTE which is ready for the market yet,..." http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400774,00.asp
regardless id much much rather have the new S4 chips than the terga3. it isn't all about # cores. and as ive stated many times that dualcore S4 keeps up or is better than the Terga in just about all tests that anandtech did in their article. Plus you have the advantage of battery saving with the baseband modems being built in the die so no extra LTE modem chip like we do with wimax and others do with 4G so far.
ill jump on it if they add SD card and removable battery though...wouldn't mind the shutter button being added too...
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still cant believe this guy hasn't changed his article. sent him a tweet and posted in the comments an hour ago about how CTIA is in May this year NOT March....shotty journalism. lol
Yeah, I know the Tegra 3 is a long-shot, but I can dream. I'm just interested in trying something other than the Snapdragon series. I've used the Galaxy Tab 10.1 frequently, and I'm impressed. But regardless, I'll probably get this just because it's the next big thing out, and it's Sense 4.0 with ICS. I really wish they wouldn't throw in the towel with the EVO 3D, but I think that'll be a one-hit-wonder. I just like having a new phone every year.
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yes im sure. lol
28nm (pretty much A15 cortex) in the S4 versus 40nm A9cortex in the terga.....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one
the terga has the current MSM8960(S4 dualcore chip with Adreno 225 graphics) beat from with gpu possibly, although if they toss in the Adreno 320 then they win that battle easily too....
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Yeah, I know the Tegra 3 is a long-shot, but I can dream. I'm just interested in trying something other than the Snapdragon series. I've used the Galaxy Tab 10.1 frequently, and I'm impressed. But regardless, I'll probably get this just because it's the next big thing out, and it's Sense 4.0 with ICS. I really wish they wouldn't throw in the towel with the EVO 3D, but I think that'll be a one-hit-wonder. I just like having a new phone every year.
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so you want a chip that is older and worse for the most part than the one likely to come in it? that makes a ton of sense. lol
Understand if your tired of Qualcomm but dont sell out for a lesser piece of hardware. least go for the new samsung chips out if you are anti-qualcomm now...
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yes im sure. lol
28nm (pretty much A15 cortex) in the S4 versus 40nm A9cortex in the terga.....
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one
the terga has the current MSM8960(S4 dualcore chip with Adreno 225 graphics) beat from with gpu possibly, although if they toss in the Adreno 320 then they win that battle easily too....
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so you want a chip that is older and worse for the most part than the one likely to come in it? that makes a ton of sense. lol
Understand if your tired of Qualcomm but dont sell out for a lesser piece of hardware. least go for the new samsung chips out if you are anti-qualcomm now...
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All I said is I wanted to try something else. Regardless of the stats, it's nice to see a change. If I don't like it, I can always move on to something else. I won't settle for anything other than an HTC, that's just the way I am.
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All I said is I wanted to try something else. Regardless of the stats, it's nice to see a change. If I don't like it, I can always move on to something else. I won't settle for anything other than an HTC, that's just the way I am.
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gotcha. if $ is not ever an issue you have that option as always to try as many as you like.
You know those starts are not at the 1.6ghz mark. Those were the scores I got running it stock with a max of 1.3ghz. The test I did was at 1.6 and it is much faster than running 1.3 by a long shot. I'm not discrediting the S4 because it is a very fast chip but I think it will be a closer match running the T3 at its stock, tegra3, speed of 1.6ghz. I'll probably get the S4 if that's all we get and be happy with it. Then I can do some real world comparisons.
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You know those starts are not at the 1.6ghz mark. Those were the scores I got running it stock with a max of 1.3ghz. The test I did was at 1.6 and it is much faster than running 1.3 by a long shot. I'm not discrediting the S4 because it is a very fast chip but I think it will be a closer match running the T3 at its stock, tegra3, speed of 1.6ghz. I'll probably get the S4 if that's all we get and be happy with it. Then I can do some real world comparisons.
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yeah but comparing it at 1.6GHz isn't really fair as your comparing a non-stock clock speed. lol...like cranking up the S4 to 1.8GHz to be equivalent to that kind of test since that would be 1GHz over the stated top clock speed.
Tegra3->I show as listed to do Single Core @1.5GHz /Quad-Core @1.4GHz
S4 MSM9060-> listed to do 1.5GHz-1.7GHz on its spec
the above i just used what qualcomm and nvdia listed them as and not the lower clocks the carriers/OEM's set them at btw.
At 1.6 it will run, at least in my tests, three cores only. The same with 1.5ghz. At 1.3 it will run all four. The prime doesn't have it built in to do 1.4 because we don't have a custom kernel yet.
I thought I read that the S4 runs dual at 1.5, is that right? If so then you could compare the two as a close match. Either way we will have to wait till someone besides the manufacturers have it in their hands.
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yeah but comparing it at 1.6GHz isn't really fair as your comparing a non-stock clock speed. lol...like cranking up the S4 to 1.8GHz to be equivalent to that kind of test since that would be 1GHz over the stated top clock speed.
Tegra3->I show as listed to do Single Core @1.5GHz /Quad-Core @1.4GHz
S4 MSM9060-> listed to do 1.5GHz-1.7GHz on its spec
the above i just used what qualcomm and nvdia listed them as and not the lower clocks the carriers/OEM's set them at btw.
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Hopefully the next one will have a 8mp cam in it so when we root and wanna use CM or Miui or something random like that we won't lose the other one due to no 3D support on some roms.. Missed that on the EVO Camera worked on pretty much any rom you wanted...
I don't really care for benchmarks on a phone On computers ya also on the video cards for gaming and what not oh ya.. Hopefully they drop something smooth for a cpu nothing that adds more heat and smooth.. To me stock speeds do what I want it to do and works just as fine.. Battery life can depend on numerous things.. From apps to scripts to you name it... Anyway lookin forward to seeing something new and S-off maybe For the next HTC product
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At 1.6 it will run, at least in my tests, three cores only. The same with 1.5ghz. At 1.3 it will run all four. The prime doesn't have it built in to do 1.4 because we don't have a custom kernel yet.
I thought I read that the S4 runs dual at 1.5, is that right? If so then you could compare the two as a close match. Either way we will have to wait till someone besides the manufacturers have it in their hands.
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yeah deff. thats why i used the qualcomm and nvdia specs as opposed to what the manufacturers clock the chip at.
do you guys not have source yet? woulda thought that with the unlocked bootloader released that they would of at least given you guys source too....
Yeah we have source and as of yesterday got three scripts to work to allow flashing a boot.img. I can't wait to see how much this can OC...you know just because we can
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yeah deff. thats why i used the qualcomm and nvdia specs as opposed to what the manufacturers clock the chip at.
do you guys not have source yet? woulda thought that with the unlocked bootloader released that they would of at least given you guys source too....
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I'd really like to see another 3D phone... But if we're not getting one, and we get the One X with a Tegra 3, I'll jump on that faster than a fat kid on a candy bar from a pinata at a birthday party.
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Seriously? Are you kidding me? The 3D feature is complete garbage. I have never used it once other than just to SEE what the hell it was. Very unimpressed. I only got a 3D because it was a beefier spec'd version of the Evo 4G.
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Seriously? Are you kidding me? The 3D feature is complete garbage. I have never used it once other than just to SEE what the hell it was. Very unimpressed. I only got a 3D because it was a beefier spec'd version of the Evo 4G.
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To each their own. There's actually some people that can't see it very well, or even at all, and that may be the reason why some don't like it. I think it's innovative. I can sit and enjoy an entire 3D movie on my phone without getting so much as a twitch in my eye. Others got it for the reason you mentioned, but still, if they came out with an EVO 3D 2, you would still buy it because the specs will be better than your current phone.
Anyone interested? 1.8ghz was easy peasy. Is this performance gain what you may call negligible? I forgot the file name, otherwise I'd post it. Debating whether or not to do that or not, as this is the first version - plan on going higher. Plus i already work on a kernel for the tf101, might not want to take on too much. Tell me if attached quadrant score is decent. What really makes the difference is usability, I feel that its much quicker - plus it keeps my hands warm, which is great.
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My goal is 2.0ghz, I was half joking with 'lilstevie' in the IRC chat when I said 2.0ghz was my oc demands for this new tablet - now, I'm kinda serious. Besides, this thing is still kinda slow compared to... my laptop. Also uses a new power reg.. so the max vcore limit could be higher. Yay. GPS is still a kick in the ****. That reminds me, what is the make/model of the GPS? If we can't boost reception, we can certainly try xmit power!
edit: I forgot to post the link for the actual kernel..
http://home.comcast.net/~ibladesi/woahno-it-burns.zip
blended the itsy bitsy asus changes for the big bad .21 kernel (being sardonic).
http://home.comcast.net/~ibladesi/ntrly-wrth-a-ver-bump-v2.zip
I'm going to write a script that will flash the kernel in terminal emulator later on.. thats how I flashed mine.. I'm going to include the texfat and tntfs modules and extract them to the /system/lib/modules directory.. Eventually, I will write a ROM agnostic init script that loads them upon startup.. but now its up to you to load them or write the script.
if you are using netiher exfat or ntfs, you don't need to load them..
if you need more juice for 1.8ghz..
echo 1350 > /sys/kernel/tegra_cap/core_cap_level
or if you want hand warmers..
echo 1400 > /sys/kernel/tegra_cap/core_cap_level
I think, that since this thread was moved.. it should stay here.. Only royalty can post in Development section.
A boost in clock speed could certainly speed up GPS lock down. So a Quadcore 2.0ghz would be beasty!
Nice...be careful not to burn it up!
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A boost in clock speed could certainly speed up GPS lock down. So a Quadcore 2.0ghz would be beasty!
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Nah, at any speed the GPS will still be uhh.. lacking. Boosting the signal beyond regulations might help, or might hurt. Similar to a cable modem's downstream being amplified, if you amplify a noisy line - things usually get worse. In the previous post, I said xmit power, I meant rx. Or wait, is it bidirectional? I digress.
nice... good seeing you here been running your **** on my tf101 since the beginning...
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the GPS is omnidirectional i think
I'd say go for the overclocking.
edit: is there anyway you can make the 1.7Ghz or 1.8Ghz into an apk form to install on stock roms that's rooted? like Dr.Wowe EzOverclock app that enables 1.6ghz by just installing the app.
Also the GPS is from Broadcom, I believe. the exact name and serial # can be found in GPS teardown thread.
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Anyone interested? 1.8ghz was easy peasy. Is this performance gain what you may call negligible? I forgot the file name, otherwise I'd post it. Debating whether or not to do that or not, as this is the first version - plan on going higher. Plus i already work on a kernel for the tf101, might not want to take on too much. Tell me if attached quadrant score is decent. What really makes the difference is usability, I feel that its much quicker - plus it keeps my hands warm, which is great.
My goal is 2.0ghz, I was half joking with 'lilstevie' in the IRC chat when I said 2.0ghz was my oc demands for this new tablet - now, I'm kinda serious. Besides, this thing is still kinda slow compared to... my laptop. Also uses a new power reg.. so the max vcore limit could be higher. Yay. GPS is still a kick in the ****. That reminds me, what is the make/model of the GPS? If we can't boost reception, we can certainly try xmit power!
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that score is decent but I would think you'd score even higher than that. my score on 1.6Ghz overclock is a little lower.
for a beefier overclock, use system tuner pro, then go into CPU tweaks. then set governor to performance. then you could set the min. clock to Max. then now you will be running all 4 cores, at the same time, at 1.8Ghz, Fulltime. I guarantee you will score alot higher than what you posted. it will drain battery faster though..lmao
Here's my score on 1.6Ghz
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Anyone interested? 1.8ghz was easy peasy. Is this performance gain what you may call negligible? I forgot the file name, otherwise I'd post it. Debating whether or not to do that or not, as this is the first version - plan on going higher. Plus i already work on a kernel for the tf101, might not want to take on too much. Tell me if attached quadrant score is decent. What really makes the difference is usability, I feel that its much quicker - plus it keeps my hands warm, which is great.
My goal is 2.0ghz, I was half joking with 'lilstevie' in the IRC chat when I said 2.0ghz was my oc demands for this new tablet - now, I'm kinda serious. Besides, this thing is still kinda slow compared to... my laptop. Also uses a new power reg.. so the max vcore limit could be higher. Yay. GPS is still a kick in the ****. That reminds me, what is the make/model of the GPS? If we can't boost reception, we can certainly try xmit power!
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I'm interested. Be happy to test for you.
Blades said:
Anyone interested? 1.8ghz was easy peasy. Is this performance gain what you may call negligible? I forgot the file name, otherwise I'd post it. Debating whether or not to do that or not, as this is the first version - plan on going higher. Plus i already work on a kernel for the tf101, might not want to take on too much. Tell me if attached quadrant score is decent. What really makes the difference is usability, I feel that its much quicker - plus it keeps my hands warm, which is great.
My goal is 2.0ghz, I was half joking with 'lilstevie' in the IRC chat when I said 2.0ghz was my oc demands for this new tablet - now, I'm kinda serious. Besides, this thing is still kinda slow compared to... my laptop. Also uses a new power reg.. so the max vcore limit could be higher. Yay. GPS is still a kick in the ****. That reminds me, what is the make/model of the GPS? If we can't boost reception, we can certainly try xmit power!
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Haha there is no such thing as negligible when it comes to overclocking brotha! Take it as high as possible. I have already came up with a cooling mod I eventually want to try. I have to see how to take off the mobo though.
How is your stability? How do you increase vcore? I use set cpu stress test and at 1.7 I eventually freeze.
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I'd say go for the overclocking.
edit: is there anyway you can make the 1.7Ghz or 1.8Ghz into an apk form to install on stock roms that's rooted? like Dr.Wowe EzOverclock app that enables 1.6ghz by just installing the app.
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The stock kernel allows for 1.6 that's why an apk works. For it to oc to 1.7 or higher it needs a custom kernel.
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Crank it as high as it can go. Anyone have an idea for how to liquid cool the prime? lol
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Crank it as high as it can go. Anyone have an idea for how to liquid cool the prime? lol
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You could make a case that does something to this effect. Since the backplate is aluminum all you need is some thermal paste between it and the case and it would work decently well. Ideally you'd want to open the Prime and paste between the case and the processor.
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Here's my score on 1.6Ghz
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why oh does my 2d score suck
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why oh does my 2d score suck
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wow! you did another test..lmfao this score is alot higher now.
but yeah, my 2D score is more than double yours even on your 1.8Ghz. even my 3D score was higher than yours on the one test in your OP.
is it possibly because I have a NeoGeo Emulator installed? lol They were the originators and best at 2D graphics (its a joke)
do you think it may be possibly because I have force GPU rendering enabled on 2D applications? its in developer settings in prime. I've been running my prime with this enabled & 1.6Ghz overclock. I bet if you enable it and do another test, your 2D score will be alot higher. This setup makes my prime super fast n fluid. lag free(actually was lag free before that). plus I cut off windows and transitions animation. everything near instant now.
Thank you, running stock volt at 1.8 and everything sweet for now ^.^
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Boo crap poop. My prime doesnt seem to like 1.8ghz, even with the additional voltage. Well best of luck to those with the golden chips.
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Boo crap poop. My prime doesnt seem to like 1.8ghz, even with the additional voltage. Well best of luck to those with the golden chips.
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Yup..not all chips are created equal lol
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Overclocking rocks! Yes, maybe those with open primes could add a passive heatsink to the Tegra 3 CPU. Help cool her down even more. I would think that this would help with the 2.0 ghz goal. Right now its a thin copper tape over it. Add a heatsink with copper tube pasted on chip.
Glad to see you on the prime Blades, love the work you did on the TF101.
Here's my question... Is it possible to make a kernel and just use the companion core as an additional core and have it run all the time? I love having five cores but it almost seems a waste to have one shut down. I understand battery life would go down but it wouldn't bother me if it went from 3-4 days to 1-2 days.
Also, I thought I seen somewhere that manufacturer spec had the companion core at 1.4GHz and the rest at 1.3GHz. Anyway to bump the companion core up to that as well?
I don't know if any of this is possible... Just a thought.
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Has anyone tried the new gaming benchmark 3DMark? The Galaxy Note II doesn't do too well. More proof that Benchmarks don't really matter, or is the Note II really that bad with gaming?
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Benchmarks don't matter. Period.
I fail to see how the Note 2 is bad at gaming. This thing is a monster at processing data and graphics. Real world performance is what matters. Jelly Bean's Project Butter takes care of it.
EDIT: LOL 'Maybe it's time for an upgrade?' says the benchmarking app...
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Yeah i ran it got 3333 and then uninstalled it
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Have you tried the epic demo, i think it was called epic citadel. Our phone smokes every other phone out.
Felt I should post in here to clear some things up.
I've been working in the computer industry as a hardware guy for about 15 years now and one thing has been consistent almost all the way through: benchmarks matter if used correctly. 3DMark is almost a household name for us PC guys and it has been around for more than a decade. It has always been the go to tool to measure a computers ability to render graphically intensive applications. And their tests are notorious for being particularly brutal when they first launch.
What I'd take away from the Android version of the benchmark is that it just came out and as such is designed to pretty much butcher hardware. So long as we aren't too far off from other high end flagship devices in score then I'd pay it no mind. Now if other hardware is substantially faster than ours then I'd be concerned. The key to benchmarks is that you are running a consistent test that WILL show the performance difference between various hardware configs and software versions. This DOES matter. If it didn't then we could all hold hands and sing songs around a campfire as all our phones are created equal. That's not reality and benchmarks like 3DMark aim to visibly show those differences.
Also keep in mind when they release a build of 3DMark they set it up to be slightly future proof out to about 2 years. This means the program has to be intensive enough that it can still fully utilize hardware that hasn't been released yet and will likely be magnitudes faster than what's in our hands today.
As far as our phones being slow or maybe needing an upgrade, pay no mind. This phone is still top tier today and only a select handful of devices out perform it. But please don't dismiss benchmarks as not mattering. Especially this one. It certainly does matter, maybe not to some people but that doesn't make it any less valid.
Well put. You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. If never understood why people say they don't matter. I'm not big on running or following scores, but I do peek every now and then at the benchmark threads.
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Felt I should post in here to clear some things up.
I've been working in the computer industry as a hardware guy for about 15 years now and one thing has been consistent almost all the way through: benchmarks matter if used correctly. 3DMark is almost a household name for us PC guys and it has been around for more than a decade. It has always been the go to tool to measure a computers ability to render graphically intensive applications. And their tests are notorious for being particularly brutal when they first launch.
What I'd take away from the Android version of the benchmark is that it just came out and as such is designed to pretty much butcher hardware. So long as we aren't too far off from other high end flagship devices in score then I'd pay it no mind. Now if other hardware is substantially faster than ours then I'd be concerned. The key to benchmarks is that you are running a consistent test that WILL show the performance difference between various hardware configs and software versions. This DOES matter. If it didn't then we could all hold hands and sing songs around a campfire as all our phones are created equal. That's not reality and benchmarks like 3DMark aim to visibly show those differences.
Also keep in mind when they release a build of 3DMark they set it up to be slightly future proof out to about 2 years. This means the program has to be intensive enough that it can still fully utilize hardware that hasn't been released yet and will likely be magnitudes faster than what's in our hands today.
As far as our phones being slow or maybe needing an upgrade, pay no mind. This phone is still top tier today and only a select handful of devices out perform it. But please don't dismiss benchmarks as not mattering. Especially this one. It certainly does matter, maybe not to some people but that doesn't make it any less valid.
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This is exactly why I posted. I left the OP vague to spur conversation.
The only thing I found odd is the Note 2 scores at the bottom of the scale, roughly 3300. The HTC One X scores at the top, 11000+. Its a huge gap.
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Yeah i ran it got 3333 and then uninstalled it
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OMG ITS SAPS!
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Definitely not what I want to see. I'm looking to upgrade from my Rezound soon to a N2 primarily for gaming.
Here is my score on my Rezound.
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This is exactly why I posted. I left the OP vague to spur conversation.
The only thing I found odd is the Note 2 scores at the bottom of the scale, roughly 3300. The HTC One X scores at the top, 11000+. Its a huge gap.
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Tegra 3, it has a beast of a GPU. Nvidia has been dominating the GPU market on desktops for years now, it's a known fact that they also dominate the smartphone and tablet scenes as well. If you look around you can see several Tegra3 optimized games that have substantially greater visuals. It is just the way it is. Perhaps the Exynos 5 and Mali 500+ GPU will see a significant increase. I am counting on it.
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Well put. You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. If never understood why people say they don't matter. I'm not big on running or following scores, but I do peek every now and then at the benchmark threads.
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No problem man. I just like to keep things factual.
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OMG ITS SAPS!
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It's me. Finally ditched the fascinate last month. Loving the GN2
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Tegra 3, it has a beast of a GPU. Nvidia has been dominating the GPU market on desktops for years now, it's a known fact that they also dominate the smartphone and tablet scenes as well. If you look around you can see several Tegra3 optimized games that have substantially greater visuals. It is just the way it is. Perhaps the Exynos 5 and Mali 500+ GPU will see a significant increase. I am counting on it.
No problem man. I just like to keep things factual.
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But with most of those tegra optimized games, you can fool them into using the better graphics on a non tegra phone. And it still runs good on my evo 3d and my note 2.
And the note 2 is much closer if not on top on all other graphic benchmarks.
It's been my experience that 3dmark has always shown nvidia products to be faster even though on actual games an ati can have better frame rates. It seems that 3dmark has once again targeted and optimized for nvidia
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Read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6875/3dmark-for-android-performance-preview
It will explain why the GN2 does poorly in the GPU tests and excels in the CPU tests.
Play Need for Speed Most Wanted on this thing, it ROCKS!
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Read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6875/3dmark-for-android-performance-preview
It will explain why the GN2 does poorly in the GPU tests and excels in the CPU tests.
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Yep good link.
Looking at the CPU tests is more important than the GPU tests for me. Almost everything in Android is CPU bound instead of GPU. It's only when you start playing graphically intensive games that the GPU starts to take a toll. That being said, Samsungs Exynos processors are still imho the fastest chips on the market. Keep in mind that the Exynos 4 is pushing over 2 years old. Look around at other devices/chips that are 2 years old and see how well they stack up against the chip in our phones.
I'm greatly looking forward to the Exynos 5 with the 4 Cortex A-15 cores. That thing is going to be a beast.
Amazing how much better, faster, and smoother it ran on AOSP. My score was over 1000 points higher. I believe I was in the mid 3's with Beans 12 and well over 4k on Carbon. Bummer the battery life is awful on AOSP.
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I would like to touch on the topic in this thread about the special Variant of the SD8 Gen2 for the galaxy devices. From numerous videos/posts/Benchmarks I've already started seeing a pattern... The special version for the galaxy phones that is even clocked higher, is being outperformed on average by the normal standard version that all the other phones are using. Now I don't know about you guys, but at this point I view it as classic Samsung ****ery... Only Samsung can go and get a special version of something and make the special version be worse than the standard version before anyone jumps me, I know the phone literally came out, and there's time for fixing up whatever needs to be, but let me just remind you that none of the other phones rocking the same SOC needed touchups in the SOC department... They just worked out the box. Also to be more specific I'm talking about multicore performance and a final average FPS results in some cases, but that's already a negative kind of deviation that shouldn't be happening to begin with. Also I haven't seen any updates since the release, but before the release there were some leaked benchmarks of the 8gb/12gb variants, where the lower ram variant was outperforming the higher variant, that's another thing I'd like to see compared now officially.
The 8 gen 2 for galaxy is also made in TSMC 4NM
Pre order is up till the 16. Official release is on the 17th. So on the 17th we should see a software update
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The 8 gen 2 for galaxy is also made in TSMC 4NM
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Well it's only been confirmed a day ago, till then it was widely speculated that it was done in the Samsung foundry. I'll edit that from my original post. However if it's done by TSMC and there's a difference between 8GB/12GB, it must mean there's some software problem across the board. Since the 8GB version supposedly outperforms the 12GB version however it's not faster but rather on par with the standard version.
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Pre order is up till the 16. Official release is on the 17th. So on the 17th we should see a software update
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I'll be eagerly waiting to see if it fixes anything, but from my experience if Samsung don't choose to recognise something as a problem, or the public doesn't force them to, then it usually never gets fixed, currently it seems like I'm one of maybe few people that's pointed it out and cares about it.
You're believing benchmarks? Most of these people run the benchmark a single time, after not even allowing the device the day or so it needs to settle. Deviations up to 10% can be considered to be as expected. You have to run the benchmark *at least* 3 times and average the results but even that isn't really all that representative if you've chosen to set the phone up in the slightly bit beyond a brand new email address. TSMC fabs all the 8 Gen 2 chips. If Samsung had fabbed them, the 30-40%+ increase in battery would not have been realized.
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You're believing benchmarks? Most of these people run the benchmark a single time, after not even allowing the device the day or so it needs to settle. Deviations up to 10% can be considered to be as expected. You have to run the benchmark *at least* 3 times and average the results but even that isn't really all that representative if you've chosen to set the phone up in the slightly bit beyond a brand new email address. TSMC fabs all the 8 Gen 2 chips. If Samsung had fabbed them, the 30-40%+ increase in battery would not have been realized.
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Sure I understand what you're saying, I'm obviously going to be setting it up thoroughly, reset and then do everything from scratch to make sure nothing is holding the phone back. But as a side note, it's worth mentioning that all the other phones using standard SD8 Gen2 chips can Liter boot up and fire up a benchmark and get those high scores without any ****ing around. Now why is it like this? That with a Samsung you have to go and change a million things and set-up everything in a correct order, just to get the performance on par with the standard chip? All I'm saying is that sure maybe it'll be better, but so far from what you can see and find yourself, the SD8 Gen2 standard chip in many phones, is outperforming the Galaxy version.
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Sure I understand what you're saying, I'm obviously going to be setting it up thoroughly, reset and then do everything from scratch to make sure nothing is holding the phone back. But as a side note, it's worth mentioning that all the other phones using standard SD8 Gen2 chips can Liter boot up and fire up a benchmark and get those high scores without any ****ing around. Now why is it like this? That with a Samsung you have to go and change a million things and set-up everything in a correct order, just to get the performance on par with the standard chip? All I'm saying is that sure maybe it'll be better, but so far from what you can see and find yourself, the SD8 Gen2 standard chip in many phones, is outperforming the Galaxy version.
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Not sure which benchmark you refer to,
i've check several videos and several sites (including NotebookCheck, which i always trust for review and benchmark https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...and-Snapdragon-8-Gen-2-chipsets.689239.0.html). And all their benchmarks show the galaxy version perform better.
But then, even if it perform just the same like the standard 8 Gen 2, i don't really care,
Samsung is the only brand that officially ship phone with 8 Gen 2 in my country,
I plan to pick one from either the Vivo X90 Pro+, Xiaomi 13 Pro, or the OnePlus 11
but none of those brand actually care about global shipment. So, it doesnt matter if their launch price is cheaper than samsung, it always ends up pricier in my country, because i need to pay the tax for international shipment if i were to buy one.
While i can get the S23U 12/1TB for $1390
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Sure I understand what you're saying, I'm obviously going to be setting it up thoroughly, reset and then do everything from scratch to make sure nothing is holding the phone back. But as a side note, it's worth mentioning that all the other phones using standard SD8 Gen2 chips can Liter boot up and fire up a benchmark and get those high scores without any ****ing around. Now why is it like this? That with a Samsung you have to go and change a million things and set-up everything in a correct order, just to get the performance on par with the standard chip? All I'm saying is that sure maybe it'll be better, but so far from what you can see and find yourself, the SD8 Gen2 standard chip in many phones, is outperforming the Galaxy version.
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Can you show me these benches? I'm not finding them. They need to be 2/2023 benches, not 12/2022 "leaks" for me to believe them fully but knowing that Samsung's OneUI takes up a ridiculous 70GB, I would be very surprised if there wasn't overhead. One thing I will say though is I had a OnePlus 9. Benches were great. Real world performance was a different story. OnePlus throttled the SoC so damn much because of people whining that their hands were warm (as if that's indicative of anything seeing how humans are unable to discern the difference between warm and hot reliably because our nerves press the "fire" button with so much as a tingle above normal) that my OnePlus 9 still to this day gets beaten by Pixel 7 Pro on Android 13. I mean it should be embarrassing for OnePlus but they just don't give a crap.
Personally, I can't wait for my S23U. I'm going to pick that sucker up on the 17th and I wish it could be faster like it has been for many walking into stores in the EU. Benchmarks mean nothing to me. I already know I'll be debloating it but honestly I'll probably just run the thing in "Light" performance mode so I can save some battery.
Well here's benches of the standard SD8 Gen2 on numerous devices, and the ones of s23 can be found in most YouTube videos of people that have the devices
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Well here's benches of the standard SD8 Gen2 on numerous devices, and the ones of s23 can be found in most YouTube videos of people that have the devices
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You may get some explanation from gsmarena test, i think. https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...on_8_gen_2_for_galaxy_examined-news-57447.php
S23U score better in single core test due to the X3 core. But score lower in multicore since the X3 is not utilised.
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You may get some explanation from gsmarena test, i think. https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...on_8_gen_2_for_galaxy_examined-news-57447.php
S23U score better in single core test due to the X3 core. But score lower in multicore since the X3 is not utilised.
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Well I'm a little confused, the standard version and the galaxy version are exactly the same, just clocked higher if I'm not wrong, so how come the chip is being utilised differently? Are you trying to tell me that others use the X3 during multicore but Samsung doesn't? If none of them utilise the X3 for multicore, then why is the multicore underperforming on Samsung?
Hopefully it's the standard TSMC chip but overclocked. That said, there are other factors such as RAM, and software optimization. A lot of these benchmarks are comparing the S23 Ultra with 8 GB RAM, to phones with 12-16 GB of RAM, some of which are running much lighter Android skins. OneUI, while getting much better, still uses a lot of resources.
Its probably a binned chip, so they can clock it a little higher.
I'll have my phone setup tomorrow evening and I'll start doing some benches and comparisons myself. I unfortunately haven't had the time due to working.
Maybe Samsung is this time not using a benchmark mode?
On Vivo X90 pro plus there is a benchmark mode that lists Geekbench and others as can be seen in setedit. Taking Geekbench out there reduces the results to 1000/4000 with a temperature cap at 33° Celsius from above which throttling kicks in. If I run the benchmark in a fridge I actually get 1300/4800. 1500/5000 only by re enabling the Geekbench entry in the hidden settings.
Also battery life on 4G is much better on the s23U. Not sure what that's related to but s23U is awesome on the go while Vivo outrightly sucks your battery empty in no time if using some GB of data on 4G/5G. So as long as you have WiFi X90 pro plus on SD 8gen2 is competive, once on data especially with bad reception the Vivo drops within hours. 3:29 DoT on 4G within 12 hours to switch off vs 10 hours on WiFi for same usage. Not sure if X90 pro plus uses the x70 modem from Qualcomm or some China crap. It's clearly botched up. S23 on the other hand seems to do great.
Yeah that X90 pro+ is way overrated in reviews. In real life without constant WiFi it's a horrible phone. Xiaomi 13 pro also doesn't seem to do to well on battery life, I still think it's mostly due to software botched up on the Chinese devices. But likely the ad 8 gen 2 for galaxy has lower voltages applied as it's later batches. 2 months later into production could easily be enough for a drop of 10% in voltage. Had a galaxy S7 bought on launch vs a S7 bought 3 months later, rooted both and compared built in voltage, it was 10% difference by default and also after undervolting both to stable minimum. In effect that 10% is less than the higher speed they promise. Likely all sd8gen2 from current batches can hit sd8gen2 for galaxy speeds. It's normal evolution as processes at tsmc get optimized. If you get it in a year there will be another 5% advantage or more.
The only question for Samsung is, can they profit so much from GAA on 3nm to temporarily catch up/overtake tsmc which will only introduce GAA on 2nm a year later. GAA could well be another game changer for power use.
There is something known as the silicon lottery. Whether you get the best bins on the manufacturing lot is all up to luck. This reviewer shows the best score so far. The 8G2 for Galaxy is clearly a much superior bin of 8G2 chips. Not to mention further optimization in the next couple of months to improve the software stability even further.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623599477352431617
Take a look at this reviewer's unit. The score is an average score of 8G2.
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There is something known as the silicon lottery. Whether you get the best bins on the manufacturing lot is all up to luck. This reviewer shows the best score so far. The 8G2 for Galaxy is clearly a much superior bin of 8G2 chips. Not to mention further optimization in the next couple of months to improve the software stability even further.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623599477352431617
Take a look at this reviewer's unit. The score is an average score of 8G2.
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I got 1514/4850, not great not terrible, I think I'll keep it, but let's see if I'll have battery issues or not.
I got mine yesterday morning and scored this out of the box (power-savy behavior).
Fully detailed bench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/20434848
I'll give it another try with a more performance oriented setting later today.
I've already posted in another post, but my average isn't the best of the best, however after I specifically targeted benchmark scores and actively cooled the device I did get higher scores. Still not that amazing but at least it's inching it's way higher. Then again a lot of the others getting insanely higher scores don't even have to bother with cooling, their devices just fly...