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I was just curious to find out if there was a general consensus as to the better app for recovering your phone. I realize that there are quite a few that do the job. I just want to find the one that does the job and does it well, because if my phone does ever get stolen/lost, I only have one shot to get it right. Trial and error doesn't really give me peace of mind when it's something you actually need it to work.
Any opinions?
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I was just curious to find out if there was a general consensus as to the better app for recovering your phone. I realize that there are quite a few that do the job. I just want to find the one that does the job and does it well, because if my phone does ever get stolen/lost, I only have one shot to get it right. Trial and error doesn't really give me peace of mind when it's something you actually need it to work.
Any opinions?
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I use titanium donate version and it does everything I could possibly ever want it to do. Will restore everything, even system settings.
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I use titanium donate version and it does everything I could possibly ever want it to do. Will restore everything, even system settings.
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I think he's referring to tracking software...
I've seen some nice Tasker scripts that will lock up the phone and e-mail you its GPS coordinates if you send a certain text to it. This way you would get more for your money since Tasker does so many other amazing things.
Have you looked into WaveSecure? seems pretty good, https://www.wavesecure.com/wavesecure/android.aspx
I've heard some good things about Prey but in all honesty, it's good to keep things locked down with either encryption/passcode unlock too. I don't know the statistics on recovery of lost phones but being a pessimistic/optimist I'd say hope for the best but expect the worst. Sync your contacts/emails/etc on a regular basis (maybe once a week and you can use tasker for this), keep sensitive personal information off the phone if possible, etc.
Froyo might let you remote wipe (I heard it would be a feature for enterprise lvl stuff) but if the person who found it is tech savvy (pretty much anyone who can flash a rom) they might just pull the SIM & wipe the phone which would moot any security features you might have in place. I could be wrong though, I don't have a lot of experience in anti-theft and should probably look more into protecting my own phone too and seeing what options are available.
I do know that insurance will cover the loss but it doesn't help if you don't have a backup of all your important info somewhere. Oh, and before I forget, in addition to contacts/email you can sync your calendar too. You just need to make sure when you create an entry that you save it as a Google calendar entry and not to the phone. That way it will sync too.
MyLookout - It also has backup & virus protection
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MyLookout - It also has backup & virus protection
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Sim Checker Pro - Because if someone changes the SIM card, you can't send it a text message for other programs.
When the SIM card is changed out, it'll send me a text message (so I have the new number) and an email with the GPS location.
I also move the app from /data/app-private to /system/app as well, so it can't be deleted with a system wipe either [I just tested this.....Sim Checker is still there & it remembers my password]. Odin can obviously destroy it, but we're assuming this is stolen/found by someone who just thinks your phone is cool, not someone who knows the ins/outs of Samsung Vibrant hacking.
Another plus is if they do a wipe they'd probably lose root (forgot to verify this), which might be good as well.
From there, there are TONS of apps that will send back locations with GPS updates, Wheres My Droid is a popular example.
I would move all of these apps into the /system/app section to be on the safe side.
If I were to find a phone and decide not to give it back (hypothetically of course, don't blast me for something I haven't done), I would power it down & wipe it before doing anything...having them in your /system will help with this. I'm sure most people would probably just yank the SIM card.......either way, if you use Sim Checker, you'll be safe, but make sure you have another option like Wheres My Droid as well.
Also, I'm pretty sure if Sim Checker is in /system, it'll be able to turn the GPS on as well.
when i flashed cyanogen mod 7 last night the android market and other google related apps were not in my app drawer. If i download Latest gapps on the ROMs listing page will it fix this issue? its really annoying me i don't understand what the point of that is... anyways, if that will fix the problem, do i flash that entire zip as it were a rom, or do i explore it on my PC and copy over the apks to my SD card. please help
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when i flashed cyanogen mod 7 last night the android market and other google related apps were not in my app drawer. If i download Latest gapps on the ROMs listing page will it fix this issue? its really annoying me i don't understand what the point of that is... anyways, if that will fix the problem, do i flash that entire zip as it were a rom, or do i explore it on my PC and copy over the apks to my SD card. please help
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CM7 is straight Android with some reasonable improvements and modifications. No apps come with it but the bare essentials. Some people very much prefer it sans gapps, as the Google apps pack is know, because once it's in there it's like an octopus. To answer your question, yes, just download the gapps.zip and flash it as you would a ROM.
i was pretty sure that the android market would be considered a bare necessity for your phone.... i guess that would just be stupid to include something that's really important and makes sense.. i dont understand why all roms don't come with the same apps, if you can flash a rom im pretty sure you can figure out how to go into file manager and delete some apps, it doesn't come with titanium backup either which annoyed me..
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i was pretty sure that the android market would be considered a bare necessity for your phone.... i guess that would just be stupid to include something that's really important and makes sense.. i dont understand why all roms don't come with the same apps, if you can flash a rom im pretty sure you can figure out how to go into file manager and delete some apps, it doesn't come with titanium backup either which annoyed me..
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The cm roms are not allowed to include gapps. Early on the original dev received a c&d order to stop putting them in, so now you flash them separate. It's not that hard, nor does it take long. Download rom, download gapps, download kernel if you want, flash all in recovery. Done.
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i was pretty sure that the android market would be considered a bare necessity for your phone.... i guess that would just be stupid to include something that's really important and makes sense.. i dont understand why all roms don't come with the same apps, if you can flash a rom im pretty sure you can figure out how to go into file manager and delete some apps, it doesn't come with titanium backup either which annoyed me..
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No, it's not in any conceivable way a necessity for Android. There's many ways to install apps and different markets to use as well. MOST devs don't make habit of making as many personal choices for the user as humanly possible. Some people don't use Ti backup. A HUGE part of a custom ROM is not having to deal with the bloatware. Some consider all that crap you're talking about useless bloatware and CM7 is aimed squarely at the folks who'd consider Google apps unwanted bloatware. Why are you even trying it if you don't like it???
not wanting an app market to me is just plain stupid... whats the point of going that out of the way to put apps on your phone when you can download them in seconds with the market - the right way.. i tried it because i wanted to check it out but i just dont think it's for me and i'll probably just use a th3ory rom
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not wanting an app market to me is just plain stupid... whats the point of going that out of the way to put apps on your phone when you can download them in seconds with the market - the right way.. i tried it because i wanted to check it out but i just dont think it's for me and i'll probably just use a th3ory rom
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Yes. Please do. You're DEFINITELY NOT a CM7 kinda guy. And can ya do me a favor? Stop calling things you don't agree with stupid and presumptuously proclaiming what the "right way" is for something to be done? I can fully understand why someone might not want Market on their device. I've got plenty of apps I install from other sources. It's not like it's a big deal. You just install them, and it's faster than Market most of the time.
you mad bro?
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you mad bro?
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He's not mad, he's right. lol, you look like a real lazy guy. If you love market so much and don't want to flash gapps after cm7, you definitely don't belong to custom roms section as such. I'd recommend that you stop Modding your android and use stock rom that came with your phone.
Again, law prohibits use of weed and inclusion of gapps in cm7 by default. You got to learn to deal with things even if you don't like them.
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I don't use the market much anymore, everything I use I have backed up in Titanium Backup. One really nice thing about not having the market installed is I can use my apps without requiring a update first, this really annoys me especially when the update sucks and I want to re-install the previous version through Titanium Backup but can't use the previous version because there's an update. I add the apk's I want into the zip before I flash it, that take 2 seconds and its tailored to my liking, not the Dev/other users.
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Just not keen on the attitude. I'm not a huge fan of AOSP myself. It's just too spartan for me and I've never felt like building up a ROM to do what I've come to enjoy from Sense. My girlfriend thinks it's the best thing ever. I appreciate what it is, why she and others likes it, and why they develop it the way they do. I'm VERY glad it's out there because, as a project, Cyanogen contributes immensely to the Android community. Just doesn't seem like you respect CM for what it is.
Just flash the google apps zip in recovery and you'll get the market back she whatever else you want that google makes.
umm...wow @ this whole thread
Market still missing after flashed gapps
My market still missing even after I flashed gapps-gb-20110828-signed.zip..how to solve this guys?
It's because of the lawyers
See here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Latest_Version/Google_Apps
Technically no ROM can ship with Google's app bundle out of the box; you have to flash separately. CyanogenMod, being a much bigger organization than most ROM producers, have to be more by-the-book.
Hi. This is the first time I will root and flash a phone. Of course I can't use my phone during the process itself, but what about after I root? I am a busy person and most likely I won't be able to root then flash in the same day.
How long does the root process, and then the flash process, take about? Estimates?
After I root, I can take and receive calls and SMS right away right? No waiting to do other things first? How about after I flash? When I get done flashing, can I start to use my phone again?
I am just nervous that it will take so long and I have to go for a meeting or my boss or student needs to talk to me, etc...
Thanks, LGnationrc
After you root and/or flash ROM. Assuming you did a full wipe, you'll have to set the phone up.
Basically the touch the Android robot and sign in to your Google account.
Phone and SMS should work right after that.
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Just remember to backup your contacts or remember to sync it to Google Contacts before you start (go to sync in settings, choose your account and tap "Sync Contacts".
ok thanks guys. I can't find this "thanks" button but I give you guys one each!
I think I will just do a root first, before I get into flashing. Rooting seems easy and fast. I have everything really to go, I just want to read up and get more information before I dive in.
After I am all done, flashing too, I basically want a faster phone (no more lag!) and I want to be able to run skype (I can't with my LG Optimus X2) and I want to remove that stupid and loud shutter sound when i record once and for all. Maybe I can free up some battery life too. I only get about 10 days before she is shut off dead. I only have about 20 apps. Maybe I can remove all the build crap apps too.
When I finally have the time to do it, I will let you guys know how it went. And report any problems I have if any. Thanks, lgnationrc
Just to clarify, the rooting process itself will not change the usability of your phone afterward. Until you choose to flash a custom ROM you can run your device with it's stock ROM as long as you like. In my case, I used a clean rooting method (not a one-click method) and it took 10 minutes to complete. I did spend quite a bit of time reading up on the subject beforehand.
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Just to clarify, the rooting process itself will not change the usability of your phone afterward. Until you choose to flash a custom ROM you can run your device with it's stock ROM as long as you like. In my case, I used a clean rooting method (not a one-click method) and it took 10 minutes to complete. I did spend quite a bit of time reading up on the subject beforehand.
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Ok, whats the difference between oneclick method and a "clean" root method? Why a "root" vs. a oneclick method?
That is fine. I just want to get the process started. As long as I can take this in steps and still be able to use the phone in between steps.
What is the percentage of chance that I brick my phone trying to do this?
Thanks, lgnationrc
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Ok, whats the difference between oneclick method and a "clean" root method? Why a "root" vs. a oneclick method?
That is fine. I just want to get the process started. As long as I can take this in steps and still be able to use the phone in between steps.
What is the percentage of chance that I brick my phone trying to do this?
Thanks, lgnationrc
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Both are rooting methods. With some devices there are apps designed to root you at the click of a button. Sometimes this is great and sometimes it can cause problems. With my phone, HTC G2, I used a process that takes a tad bit longer, but I was able to see what was going on each step of the way. My point was simply that rooting doesn't usually take long at all. If you already have a good method in mind stick with it and don't let me confuse you. And all this said - I did use a program called z4root to root my old CLIQ and it worked great. If you do find a one click method just be sure to do your homework on it, and be sure it's not causing more harm than good.
And I can't give you a percentage in terms of bricking your phone. If I were you I would just read instructions, then re read, read the posts by other users... read as much as you can. If you don't understand something, do a Google search. And when you feel comfortable, go ahead and do it. Flashing a custom ROM is simple and really does breathe new life into your phone. Good luck.
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Both are rooting methods. With some devices there are apps designed to root you at the click of a button......Flashing a custom ROM is simple and really does breathe new life into your phone. Good luck.
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Good news. I rooted my LG last night. No problems, went fast. I will wait to flash a few weeks before I feel really comfortable and read as much as I can.
But one problem I have right now is, I can't delete the factory apps. I have Astro file manager and I try to delete facebook but I keep getting "Error deleting" message.
And I am trying to figure out how to remove that stupid shutter sound when I record video. I guess there is a law in Hong Kong (thats where I bought the phone) that before you record there has to be a loud shutter sound. Nothing works. I can't figure it out. Any ideas?
I also haven't backed my phone up yet. I have to get the software still.
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Good news. I rooted my LG last night. No problems, went fast. I will wait to flash a few weeks before I feel really comfortable and read as much as I can.
But one problem I have right now is, I can't delete the factory apps. I have Astro file manager and I try to delete facebook but I keep getting "Error deleting" message.
And I am trying to figure out how to remove that stupid shutter sound when I record video. I guess there is a law in Hong Kong (thats where I bought the phone) that before you record there has to be a loud shutter sound. Nothing works. I can't figure it out. Any ideas?
I also haven't backed my phone up yet. I have to get the software still.
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You need a root enabled file manager. Try es file explorer from the market. You have to enable it in the settings.
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Good news. I rooted my LG last night. No problems, went fast. I will wait to flash a few weeks before I feel really comfortable and read as much as I can.
But one problem I have right now is, I can't delete the factory apps. I have Astro file manager and I try to delete facebook but I keep getting "Error deleting" message.
And I am trying to figure out how to remove that stupid shutter sound when I record video. I guess there is a law in Hong Kong (thats where I bought the phone) that before you record there has to be a loud shutter sound. Nothing works. I can't figure it out. Any ideas?
I also haven't backed my phone up yet. I have to get the software still.
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First thing I would do is flash Clockworkmod recovery. This will allow you to create a backup (nandroid) of your device in its current state. This way, if any of the changes you might make cause unwanted side effects, you can always restore. If you download Rom Manager in the Market, it should contain the recovery for your device.
Astro will not allow you read/write access to the system. I would install ES File Explorer. It's a free file manager app on the Market, and it will allow you access to system files, where you'll be able to do things such as remove the shutter sound.
You have to be careful deleting system applications from your ROMs. Some are necessary. Facebook is not, obviously... but you're better off leaving the stock system apps alone and flashing a custom ROM where you'll have many more options. Also, FYI, Titanium Backup is useful for creating user app/data backups, and also in that is allows you to freeze apps which essentially makes them unavailable... however, they can also be easily restored (defrosted) if need be. Happy flashing.
And boom, this baby is faster. It was weird, apps would load pretty slow, internet browsing SUCKED, general slowness and battery drain and whatnot. Now, it's SUPER fast. Everything works great, except my shortcut keys for the dock, which is weird. But even the battery last so much longer. I was able to do root again, then did voodoo rootkeeper. Then I installed titanium backup (after moving the folder off the SD card along with whatever else you want to keep) and restored the apps, but app only, not data (except for a few key ones). It seemed to work for the most part and this baby works like a charm. I had 3.2 and updated to 4.0 so maybe a wipe is something you might consider if you're TF is feeling slow, even in performance mode.
Thanks. Helpful for me because I've been considering doing the same thing after the. 19 update that's supposed to be coming. I feel like all of the past updates which were more designed for bug fixes have been putting more of a damper on the performance. With this upcoming update, it looks like they are now actually focusing on features and user experience, so I want to make sure that I don't associate those 'improvements' with lackluster behavior I've noticed since a couple updates ago.
For the first time ever, I experienced 3 random reboots in the same day a couple days ago. I hugged Optimus and told it not to worry. Everything will be okay.
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Thanks. Helpful for me because I've been considering doing the same thing after the. 19 update that's supposed to be coming. I feel like all of the past updates which were more designed for bug fixes have been putting more of a damper on the performance. With this upcoming update, it looks like they are now actually focusing on features and user experience, so I want to make sure that I don't associate those 'improvements' with lackluster behavior I've noticed since a couple updates ago.
For the first time ever, I experienced 3 random reboots in the same day a couple days ago. I hugged Optimus and told it not to worry. Everything will be okay.
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wow.... just wow
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Im sorry for asking, i am such a noob with android, i have my prime now for a few weeks, and what do you mean with a 'wipe' ?
Factory restore or?
Thanks for listening,
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Im sorry for asking, i am such a noob with android, i have my prime now for a few weeks, and what do you mean with a 'wipe' ?
Factory restore or?
Thanks for listening,
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Pretty much. It's a factory reset. It's a real pain because you have to reinstall everything from scratch.
UNLESS you have root and a good backup utility like Titanium Backup.
Then you wipe, get root (back), install Titanium, and restore you system settings, apps, and data.
I am going to take the chance on posting this and getting flamed because people already know, if you don't know I would appreciate the thanks.
Titanium is great for keeping important data but a better and easier way to get a real fresh start after wipe is appbrain.
Do Titanium full backup
install appbrain and fast web install
sync
login to appbrain online and rename your prime list to old
wipe/factory reset
reinstall appbrain and fast web install be sure to enable fast web install
sync
log in to your appbrain account and copy the apps from old to your new device
open appbrain on device
sync
install
watch a movie while all your apps download without needing you
restore data from titanium where needed, restore programs that are not in the market
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profit
The difference here is that you don't restore any corrupted programs from Titanium
Doesn't anyone know how the built-in ASUS app backup works? Is it affected by the factory reset?
^ im curious on this also. im willing to try this.
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Doesn't anyone know how the built-in ASUS app backup works? Is it affected by the factory reset?
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I'm going to say it does, since it wipes the SD card. But if you put a microSD or regular SD you should be able to save to that instead, then restore from that after. It might be as good as Titanium, or app brain, I think part of the key is not restoring data, apps only.
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^ im curious on this also. im willing to try this.
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Works a treat. I used it. The only thing is if savedata (like levels in games) is saved on sd, you are going to loose it. But it can be always manually copied. Any other app which saves logins and such in /data (i think it's /data will be fine). And no root needed.
To OP, done it before. No difference. My TFP never been sluggish, just suffers from occasional browser freeze, well, more than occasional, and reboots when certain apps fc. Wipe didn't fix that.
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so after factory reset, i can go google play and reinstall all my old previously bought apps? or i need to pay for it again?
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so after factory reset, i can go google play and reinstall all my old previously bought apps? or i need to pay for it again?
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Lol yeah, you can re-download your apps It keeps up with everything you pay for and even with most of the free stuff you install. Easier route may be to use ASUS's App Backup or if you're rooted Titanium Backup (Pro is worth it).
After doing a full wipe at lunch i can confirm my prime seems much snappier. Also my dolphin browser works flawless finally. Asus back up did not work for me.
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After doing a full wipe at lunch i can confirm my prime seems much snappier. Also my dolphin browser works flawless finally. Asus back up did not work for me.
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Me neither. Can anyone explain in detail how you use Asus backup? I'm almost tempted to root just for Titanium at this point
How is your prime after the fresh wipe?
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Me neither. Can anyone explain in detail how you use Asus backup? I'm almost tempted to root just for Titanium at this point
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Asus backup looks fairly simple. Just open the app, then choose the apps you want to backup. There is a check for data only or data and application near the top right. Choose data and app if you want both, but for some reason you can only do 600MB, not sure why. But if you have it under that (I unchecked all my games and got it low enough) then you can hit the backup button on the top, which then has a (Checkbox) option to also save to the microsd or SD card plugged in
ic. Very informative.
Haven't played with the SD slot on the Prime so I guess I have a reason now =)
You also have an option to save a copy to the MicroSD, card if it's mounted. I'm in the process of a wipe now and will let you know about the restore using the ASUS backup. I've used TB in the past but haven't rooted this unit yet and so can only speak to the ASUS backup.
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Asus backup looks fairly simple. Just open the app, then choose the apps you want to backup. There is a check for data only or data and application near the top right. Choose data and app if you want both, but for some reason you can only do 600MB, not sure why. But if you have it under that (I unchecked all my games and got it low enough) then you can hit the backup button on the top, which then has a (Checkbox) option to also save to the microsd or SD card plugged in
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this worked for me!!! thanks for the info
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Doesn't anyone know how the built-in ASUS app backup works? Is it affected by the factory reset?
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To be just a little more precise, the ASUS backup app creates a file in the ASUS folder that can be copied to a PC, USB drive, to the cloud, or whatever, and then copied back to the same folder when the wipe is done. Then apps and data can be selectively restored. Works well.
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Hey all,
This just a conversation to get me to finally bite the bullet and finally root and install a ROM.
With all the delays or possible cancelations of JB on my i717, I have just about convinced myself to root and installation a rom. Avatar is looking good.
I have been using the go launcher and all its sub systems: phone, IM, twitter all the stuff so I need to figure out to remove all the go replace sub components. Is there a panel on one of the releases that makes this easy?
So do yous guys still think the i717 will still get an official 717 update?
Also, if looks like jb will remove the ability to move apps to the sd. At lease it did on my note 10.1. Think they will do the same if they release jb on the 717?
I read through all the fans and understand backup the IMs, data, contacts. What about apps (I have a ton and chagrin having reinstall
So first root, use titanium backup and then install a ROM? Also what is a modem? Usually I am familiar with the term as in phone interface. What is modem rom for?
Thoughts and answers welcome!
Thanks for everyone time.
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Honeybadger said:
Hey all,
This just a conversation to get me to finally bite the bullet and finally root and install a ROM.
With all the delays or possible cancelations of JB on my i717, I have just about convinced myself to root and installation a rom. Avatar is looking good.
I have been using the go launcher and all its sub systems: phone, IM, twitter all the stuff so I need to figure out to remove all the go replace sub components. Is there a panel on one of the releases that makes this easy?
So do yous guys still think the i717 will still get an official 717 update?
Also, if looks like jb will remove the ability to move apps to the sd. At lease it did on my note 10.1. Think they will do the same if they release jb on the 717?
I read through all the fans and understand backup the IMs, data, contacts. What about apps (I have a ton and chagrin having reinstall
So first root, use titanium backup and then install a ROM? Also what is a modem? Usually I am familiar with the term as in phone interface. What is modem rom for?
Thoughts and answers welcome!
Thanks for everyone time.
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+1 vote for root!
I bet the original note gets a JB update. But I also bet the Note 3 will be out by then and Note 2 people will be begging for their key lime pie!!!
It doesn't matter what phone your on, your always going to be waiting for an update of some sort. So why wait... root it! It unlocks SO much potential in these phones. I've been flashing roms for years and love it! I've never had any problems because I've always done a lil research on software out there and followed the directions to a TEE! Since you're new at this I will direct you to this thread. Read the first 3 posts. They will answer 90% of your questions, especially post 3. Once your schooled and brain has cooled a lil, this is basically what you gotta do to get started.
So happy reading and rooting!
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+1 vote for root!
I bet the original note gets a JB update. But I also bet the Note 3 will be out by then and Note 2 people will be begging for their key lime pie!!!
It doesn't matter what phone your on, your always going to be waiting for an update of some sort. So why wait... root it! It unlocks SO much potential in these phones. I've been flashing roms for years and love it! I've never had any problems because I've always done a lil research on software out there and followed the directions to a TEE! Since you're new at this I will direct you to this thread. Read the first 3 posts. They will answer 90% of your questions, especially post 3. Once your schooled and brain has cooled a lil, this is basically what you gotta do to get started.
So happy reading and rooting!
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Thanks very much for the opinion, advice and experience!
Reading now.
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For the remaining 10% off your questions not found in those threads or searching, feel free to ask!
You don't need root permission to flash a recovery, a custom rom, or a different modem.
But with regards to rooting, its not like you're climbing Mt. Everest naked without oxygen. Its a two minute project.
And you only need to root if there is some app or some system action you need to do that having a stock system won't allow.
If you're undecided, then you don't need to do it. Those that need to just do it.
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It doesn't matter what phone your on, your always going to be waiting for an update of some sort.
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That's true except for one product line.
NEXUS DEVICES
Even the nexus s, that was released with the debut of GINGERBREAD is officially supported by Google with a 4.2.2 firmware of its own.
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You don't need root permission to flash a recovery, a custom rom, or a different modem.
But with regards to rooting, its not like you're climbing Mt. Everest naked without oxygen. Its a two minute project.
And you only need to root if there is some app or some system action you need to do that having a stock system won't allow.
If you're undecided, then you don't need to do it. Those that need to just do it.
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What about being to move apps to sd?
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Once rooted you will have the ability to move apps to sd card using a separate app.
440bro said:
Once rooted you will have the ability to move apps to sd card using a separate app.
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^that
and also you can remove applications placed by the phone company that sometimes only eat some of the battery, even if you never even open them!
You can remove ad banners off the browser as well! saving data if you are not on unlimited plan(like myself)
hmm.. personally i root because of that reason, the ad blocking on the browser(i don't mind them on the apps unless they're sketching apps)
2nd reason would be being able to use the app named "autostarts" which controls the autorun's of any app on your phone! Wisely used, you can stop user apps from restarting themselves and such, just never use on system apps and that means more ram and more battery
rangercaptain said:
You don't need root permission to flash a recovery, a custom rom, or a different modem.
But with regards to rooting, its not like you're climbing Mt. Everest naked without oxygen. Its a two minute project.
And you only need to root if there is some app or some system action you need to do that having a stock system won't allow.
If you're undecided, then you don't need to do it. Those that need to just do it.
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Maybe it isn't climbing Everest, but I do rely on my phone and in turn I need it reliable. Lockups and waiting for reboots is a worry.
I need apps to work at least 95 percent of the time. I understand and occasionally sunspot caused glitch is acceptable but should be occasional. So yes, I do worry about my constant companion.
I am not just talking about rooting but finding the right ROM which will make my phone more usable and more reliable than the At&t stock rom, just trying to find the right one and install it right the first time.
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^that
and also you can remove applications placed by the phone company that sometimes only eat some of the battery, even if you never even open them!
You can remove ad banners off the browser as well! saving data if you are not on unlimited plan(like myself)
hmm.. personally i root because of that reason, the ad blocking on the browser(i don't mind them on the apps unless they're sketching apps)
2nd reason would be being able to use the app named "autostarts" which controls the autorun's of any app on your phone! Wisely used, you can stop user apps from restarting themselves and such, just never use on system apps and that means more ram and more battery
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Your advice, wisdom and time are heeded and appreciated!
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Honeybadger said:
Your advice, wisdom and time are heeded and appreciated!
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the best part is it is very easy to do! even a silly girl like me could root and do all this "mt everest" stuff ehehe its very simple!
and really nothing bad will happen to your phone and i assume you take good care of it :highfive:
i dont evne mind those warrantys things, i take care of my androids as i would a pet or something
and make sure they come in good state and all when out of the box
when i had my first android some years ago i softbricked it and cried! on my first attempt.. because i skipped one step(NEVER SKIP A STEP) but then i saw there's solution to everything.. unless it exploded or something but that never happens yay :victory:
and now i feel these things are useless without root permissions.. it's the first thing i do the moment i get them and come back home! :fingers-crossed:
PrincessKiwi said:
the best part is it is very easy to do! even a silly girl like me could root and do all this "mt everest" stuff ehehe its very simple!
and really nothing bad will happen to your phone and i assume you take good care of it :highfive:
i dont evne mind those warrantys things, i take care of my androids as i would a pet or something
and make sure they come in good state and all when out of the box
when i had my first android some years ago i softbricked it and cried! on my first attempt.. because i skipped one step(NEVER SKIP A STEP) but then i saw there's solution to everything.. unless it exploded or something but that never happens yay :victory:
and now i feel these things are useless without root permissions.. it's the first thing i do the moment i get them and come back home! :fingers-crossed:
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience!
You don't need a rooted phone to install roms. Just a PC, cable, and Odin software.
What you could possibly need is to install a custom recovery like TWRP. That is WAY more important that worrying about rooting your phone. Why? Because you could install roms from your phone and skip the PC. All non-stock roms are already rooted.
You have 16gigs of internal memory for apps - thats like about 200 apps, so you don't need to move them to external sd card.
What you should do is make sure all those apps store their data on the external card. Then you have protected your data and kept your memory for apps.
What app/process you you need to do that requires root permission of your file system? Every concern you mentioned has nothing to do with root permisions of your file system.
Maybe your question should be "Why should I flash non-stock roms over the stock Gingerbread I have now? A Conversation"
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And my answer is use the latest N7005 ICS ROM because it is rooted, has no carrier apps installed and is fast and smooth, and since it is stock, everything functions correctly.
If you want dependable, don't go past 4.04 ICS ROMs, because above that, the ROMs come from other phones and developers have to squeeze them into our phone. The result is random reboots, freezing, main features not working (TV out, s-pen, Bluetooth connectivity issues, to name a few main ones).
Everyone else is going to argue to defend their reason for what they did to their phone -- I answered based on your stated needs.
Good luck, I hope you get your phone to a place you're satisfied with.
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You have 16gigs of internal memory for apps - thats like about 200 apps, so you don't need to move them to external sd card.
What you should do is make sure all those apps store their data on the external card. Then you have protected your data and kept your memory for apps.
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How do make apps store data on the ext card while keeping those apps internal?
rangercaptain said:
You don't need a rooted phone to install roms. Just a PC, cable, and Odin software.
What you could possibly need is to install a custom recovery like TWRP. That is WAY more important that worrying about rooting your phone. Why? Because you could install roms from your phone and skip the PC. All non-stock roms are already rooted.
You have 16gigs of internal memory for apps - thats like about 200 apps, so you don't need to move them to external sd card.
What you should do is make sure all those apps store their data on the external card. Then you have protected your data and kept your memory for apps.
What app/process you you need to do that requires root permission of your file system? Every concern you mentioned has nothing to do with root permisions of your file system.
Maybe your question should be "Why should I flash non-stock roms over the stock Gingerbread I have now? A Conversation"
---------- Post added at 07:10 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:53 AM ----------
And my answer is use the latest N7005 ICS ROM because it is rooted, has no carrier apps installed and is fast and smooth, and since it is stock, everything functions correctly.
If you want dependable, don't go past 4.04 ICS ROMs, because above that, the ROMs come from other phones and developers have to squeeze them into our phone. The result is random reboots, freezing, main features not working (TV out, s-pen, Bluetooth connectivity issues, to name a few main ones).
Everyone else is going to argue to defend their reason for what they did to their phone -- I answered based on your stated needs.
Good luck, I hope you get your phone to a place you're satisfied with.
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Thanks for the advice, one of the reasons I am looking at upgrading is I also want google now which only cones with jb.
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That's a good reason. But our JB ROMs are the result of great effort and professionalism from our developers, but they are experimental and have issues. So to gain some features, you will definitely lose some.
I have been using 4.1.# then 4.2.2 and I think I'm going back to the N7005 ROM because I miss the features I bought the phone for. Anyway, as someone said, read and decide what the tradeoffs are, and you can always go backwards.
Ok, decided to go with Kangparanoid rom... Right now I have a stock unrooted ROM. What is the best way to create a perfect backup of what I have now to restore current state.
Also is there an easy way to restore all my apps (include what's been moved to my external sd card) post jb upgrade?
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Ok, decided to go with Kangparanoid rom... Right now I have a stock unrooted ROM. What is the best way to create a perfect backup of what I have now to restore current state.
Also is there an easy way to restore all my apps (include what's been moved to my external sd card) post jb upgrade?
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Nice rom choice! I'm actually using it right now!!
I vote for titanium backup to backup all your stuff. I use the pro version so I can't remember if you can move apps to sd card in the free version or not. Once you open titanium you have it backup EVERYTHING! It will backup your apps, call logs, text messages, wifi passwords, bookmarks, alarms, etc..... Do this on your phone now. Then root your phone and make a nandroid backup in recovery. Install your rom and sign into your phone using the same gmail acct you had previously. You'll find that most of your apps will begin to reinstall themselves. Once you got titanium on your new rom installed open it but do not, I repeat do NOT restore everything! Titanium backs up system files that shouldn't be restored because they were from your previous rom. Just click individual apps that you want to restore. Titanium color codes everything nicely. System files are red and mean business! Apps installed already are white. Your call logs and messages will be yellow. Those you can restore. Backed up apps not installed will have a line thru them. I've been using titanium for years since android 1.5 came out. So it works on any rom!
Happy rooting and flashing!
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Nice rom choice! I'm actually using it right now!!
I vote for titanium backup to backup all your stuff. I use the pro version so I can't remember if you can move apps to sd card in the free version or not. Once you open titanium you have it backup EVERYTHING! It will backup your apps, call logs, text messages, wifi passwords, bookmarks, alarms, etc..... Do this on your phone now. Then root your phone and make a nandroid backup in recovery. Install your rom and sign into your phone using the same gmail acct you had previously. You'll find that most of your apps will begin to reinstall themselves. Once you got titanium on your new rom installed open it but do not, I repeat do NOT restore everything! Titanium backs up system files that shouldn't be restored because they were from your previous rom. Just click individual apps that you want to restore. Titanium color codes everything nicely. System files are red and mean business! Apps installed already are white. Your call logs and messages will be yellow. Those you can restore. Backed up apps not installed will have a line thru them. I've been using titanium for years since android 1.5 came out. So it works on any rom!
Happy rooting and flashing!
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Thank you Thank you! I have had titanium backup for year but only on an old tablet that I can't do anything with anymore. It's rooted but no roms available for it.
Thought I would have to root the phone before I could back it up, but will follow you plan.
Thanks again!
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