Why is it more apps are being developed for iOS and not android?? I personally think this sucks considering phones with android are dominating the smartphone market e.g android currently runs on Samsung phones, HTC phones, LG phones, Motorola phones, ZTE phones, Huawei phones as well as tablets such as Acer, Nexus 7, Galaxy Tab, HP Touchpad etc. I just get the feeling android is being left out. IOS runs on the iPhone and iPad and that's it....doesn't make sense to me.
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Agreed. Fortunately I have all the apps that I need
Its because if you make a app on iOS it only has to really work on 2 or 3 devices which makes testing and making bug free much easier.
With android there are so many devices it can be hard to debug across all device and screen sizes etc etc.
For 'simpler' apps its not a issue but with bigger more complexed apps it can be a bigger issue and thus far more work for the dev
Apparently over 40% of IOS Apps have never even been downloaded once so I think the word Shovelware certainly applies.
Its still the largest single device out there, one phone and one tablet. I imagine it makes dev work easier, sort of like building a complex website that only has to work in one browser. Plus the way the media talks about the iPhone all the time, many probably think it has a huge majority of the market share.
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Plus the way the media talks about the iPhone all the time, many probably think it has a huge majority of the market share.
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Yeah, that's right. In fact, I never seen an Google commercial on TV, and many people don't know about Android. However, if you ask them "Do you know the iPhone/iPad?" surely the answer will be "yes... it's cool"
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Yeah, that's right. In fact, I never seen an Google commercial on TV, and many people don't know about Android. However, if you ask them "Do you know the iPhone/iPad?" surely the answer will be "yes... it's cool"
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There are some Nexus 7 commercials on these days, and back before Verizon got the iPhone they ran quite a few commercials with the OG Droid and Droid X. The iPhone is in nearly every new movie when a cell phone is shown. Its ironic because for years Apple embraced being different than the mainstream majority of whatever product they were trying to sell. Now the iPad/iPhone is about as mainstream as you can get since its everywhere.
What about the android shop in California....that must be the only store dedicated to an OS lol
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Once Google opens a nexus store in every big city in the world and has more commercials, sues the heck out of everybody and mocks Apple then they will be more popular. Oh yea there are ups and down on both platforms. Apple charges 99 bucks a year to develop apps and publish them while android only charges 25 bucks. But like said above there are too many androids from 3.5 inch 800 megahertz processors to giant 4.8 inch phones with a quad core cpu. The galaxy note is 5.3" GEEZUS
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apple smooth and no laggy
NicoJanuar said:
apple smooth and no laggy
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And JellyBean isn't?
NicoJanuar said:
apple smooth and no laggy
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Iphones and iPads are just overpriced ****e imo! They all look and feel the same, layout has been the same since day 1, their not very attractive, specs are a joke (4s is EXACTLY the same as the 4 just added a dual core 800mhz CPU and a joke piece of software called siri, which doesn't work half the time) and they have a cheek to charge £599 for a beefed up version of the iPhone 4!!! You must be kidding right??
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I just picked up a Galaxy S3 and it cost roughly the same as a new iphone. Apple appeals to a broad consumer base as any idiot can figure it out, and most people only use their phones to talk, text, facebook, angry birds, etc anyway. They're usually stable, and just work. Android, however, claims the cake because it doesn't lock you into any single hardware manufacturer, and has the open-source backing. It just so happens that since the tv is lovestruck by apple products, most people clamor to apple cause they saw it on tv, and since apple has the outspoken user base it does (aka fanboys), it popularly perceived that ios is the most popular platform. And with that, most entrepreneurs are going to go with the platform they feel their products will get the most exposure on, which leads to higher revenue. Econ 101
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I just picked up a Galaxy S3 and it cost roughly the same as a new iphone. Apple appeals to a broad consumer base as any idiot can figure it out, and most people only use their phones to talk, text, facebook, angry birds, etc anyway. They're usually stable, and just work. Android, however, claims the cake because it doesn't lock you into any single hardware manufacturer, and has the open-source backing. It just so happens that since the tv is lovestruck by apple products, most people clamor to apple cause they saw it on tv, and since apple has the outspoken user base it does (aka fanboys), it popularly perceived that ios is the most popular platform. And with that, most entrepreneurs are going to go with the platform they feel their products will get the most exposure on, which leads to higher revenue. Econ 101
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I think you pretty much nailed it. Android being based on linux, and an 'open' system, alot of linux users/hackers use it, and there for do not want to pay for software, as with their computer operating systems. Now dont get me wrong, some people do pay for software, but if you can find a free alternative, or even better just create your own, why would you pay for it ?
With Apple products, basicly morons are buying it because they are told to, they think it is cool, all thier dumb ass friends have them, and so any software that is needed for it, they will pay through the nose for, just like their devices they have to upgrade before they have finished paying off the last one.
Forgive my extreme dis-like for Apple products. I just really do not like them.
It was long before the iPhone that I stayed away from Apple products. Their computers were and still are way overpriced when compared to the same specs on a Windows PC. Or you can build your own and save even more money. iPods are overpriced and you are forced to use iTunes. I've used Creative and Sandisk players that don't require any software as they were USB mass storage devices. I can write a simple batch file to sync two directories, I don't need a big program like iTunes. I remember one of my friends showing off their cool new iPod shuffle years ago, the model without a screen. Meanwhile I had a Sandisk player (forget the model) that had a screen and more storage space plus it costs less. I also had (still have) my Dell Axim x50 which still is a better MP3/video player than any iPod today since it has CF and SD slots and can play nearly every format with TCPMP.
Android was the next move for me after Microsoft discontinued Windows Mobile. Its the only popular mobile OS for power users left. Its a lot more stable than WM ever was, not responding apps will force close where as on WM you would often have to restart the device.
Unless Apple does something innovative with the iPhone, I predict it is on a sinking ship. Its an outdated device/UI after 5 years with little changes. After ICS, anytime I see an iOS device it just looks so outdated. There have been hardware upgrades but today's iPhone doesn't look much different from the 2007 model. The mobile market moves fast and those who don't keep up die off, look at what happened to Windows Mobile which didn't change for years.
One Topmost reason why Apps are more developed for iOS than Android:
The high-rated, most popular and mostly downloaded apps in Android suffers PIRACY ISSUE which is not acceptable to the developers as it incurs the developers a huge loss. Although it also happens with iOS apps, but their piracy rate is not that high as Android.
Also we must be thankful to the developers that in spite of these issues, they still develop good apps for us and make Android a better OS.
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I think you pretty much nailed it. Android being based on linux, and an 'open' system, alot of linux users/hackers use it, and there for do not want to pay for software, as with their computer operating systems. Now dont get me wrong, some people do pay for software, but if you can find a free alternative, or even better just create your own, why would you pay for it ?
With Apple products, basicly morons are buying it because they are told to, they think it is cool, all thier dumb ass friends have them, and so any software that is needed for it, they will pay through the nose for, just like their devices they have to upgrade before they have finished paying off the last one.
Forgive my extreme dis-like for Apple products. I just really do not like them.
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Nah dude I feel ya. You get the same (for the most part) applications for less to nothing, and if it doesn't have the exact functionality you're looking for, you can change it yourself. Apple doesn't even give the option to sideload whereas Android allows it even for a stock unrooted user. But where we see these drawbacks, it does make iOS much more stable because it's extremely difficult for iphone users to screw it up. But you have to remember, different clientele. The one thing Apple has going for them is their brilliant (if you wanna call it that) marketing. That's the only reason they've done so well, is because they've managed to make a cult of it and exploit that fact that people are half the time so pathetic they need some product/brand to represent who they are, and Apple has provided that branding for millions of people. I do some home automation/networking projects as a hobby, and I hate my buddy's macbook cause that thing leaves crap all over my servers, even if the shares are on major lockdown. And getting them to play nicely with media, forget about it.
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It was long before the iPhone that I stayed away from Apple products. Their computers were and still are way overpriced when compared to the same specs on a Windows PC. Or you can build your own and save even more money. iPods are overpriced and you are forced to use iTunes. I've used Creative and Sandisk players that don't require any software as they were USB mass storage devices. I can write a simple batch file to sync two directories, I don't need a big program like iTunes. I remember one of my friends showing off their cool new iPod shuffle years ago, the model without a screen. Meanwhile I had a Sandisk player (forget the model) that had a screen and more storage space plus it costs less. I also had (still have) my Dell Axim x50 which still is a better MP3/video player than any iPod today since it has CF and SD slots and can play nearly every format with TCPMP.
Android was the next move for me after Microsoft discontinued Windows Mobile. Its the only popular mobile OS for power users left. Its a lot more stable than WM ever was, not responding apps will force close where as on WM you would often have to restart the device.
Unless Apple does something innovative with the iPhone, I predict it is on a sinking ship. Its an outdated device/UI after 5 years with little changes. After ICS, anytime I see an iOS device it just looks so outdated. There have been hardware upgrades but today's iPhone doesn't look much different from the 2007 model. The mobile market moves fast and those who don't keep up die off, look at what happened to Windows Mobile which didn't change for years.
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Actually you can use an ipod with rhythm box, an itunes-like media player for Linux . I don't have one, so I can't say anything on its functionality. I had a windows phone on, if I remember correctly, a motorola que or something. WORST PHONE EVER. I got from a friend, but I was rebooting a good 10 times a day cause it would lock up or something wacko. In terms of iOS's gui, all they'd have to do is keep adding gooey nonsense and if the play it off as an upgrade, the apple kids will eat it up for the next 30 years without any need for advancing the base functionality. Honestly, I'm sure karma will catch up with Apple (as it did for Microsoft) and they'll bury themselves in crap. Don't know what, I'm just being hopefull
Really because the iOS users are the dumbest and will buy pretty much any app that is developed.
I joke I joke.
But really the reason is because a lot of developers feel that all android users do is pirate apps so they can't make a profit.
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There are so many factors why apple appstore has more apps,
Firstly it has a quality control, so when your apple appstore app is approved, then its a thing to be proud of next, the payment schemes offered my apple is easier than android, and also, you just need to test on 2 or maximum three devices unlike android where you gotta test on so many devices to with so many different API versions and screen sizes.
Next , visibility of new apps is much much more on apple store compared to Play store.
And lastly, the play store's global reach is less!
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There are so many factors why apple appstore has more apps,
Firstly it has a quality control, so when your apple appstore app is approved, then its a thing to be proud of next, the payment schemes offered my apple is easier than android, and also, you just need to test on 2 or maximum three devices unlike android where you gotta test on so many devices to with so many different API versions and screen sizes.
Next , visibility of new apps is much much more on apple store compared to Play store.
And lastly, the play store's global reach is less!
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Bingo. They simplify everything for quality control that they feel provides a better user experience, and to some extent it does. While it is extremely restrictive, it still provides the masses with simplicity, of whom don't know a motherboard from a graphics card half the time. Android is more of a Wild West of sorts, allowing the users to have more control of their environment. Then again, Apple proponents are more likely to pay stupid amounts of money for close to anything so they can be one of the cool kids whereas Android folk either couldn't/didn't want to afford an iphone, or are Linux people who aren't gonna be keen on paying for software in the first place.
Is it just me or does android Overall lack standardizations?
There are so many different versions of android tablets and phones that app developers seem to have to make for one, then keep changing for others.
Things do not seem to be cross compatible between devices either.
The way I'm looking at is is like windows:
With windows you have all kinds of PC's and there is a standard, Keyboard & mouse. Windows interfaces between the hardware and apps and allows seamless transfer between different PC's with windows OS.
Then I look at android. And what runs on my android tablet, wont work on my friends tablet. Same in reverse.
Basically has anyone else noticed this? Lack of standardization when it comes to a practical interface?
And it seems to fall on the app devs to support a specific device, when android itself should be the interface between the hardware and the app.
Does anyone see where I'm coming from?
What does everyone else think?
Do you think there will eventually be a standard with android devices like what happen to the PC after Microsoft made windows and created a standard in that respect?
Do you think that traditional PC computers running windows and MAC will eventually phase out?
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And whats the deal with a phone needing 2 GHz dual core CPU's?
If the code was optimized properly, wouldn't you be able to get the same speed and quality from half that?
I've seen high end android tablet lag badly, when an intel PC of lesser speed runs windows just fine.
I dont get it, It would save battery power as well if it was refined, would it not?
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I dont really want this to be a question air post and people answer, I'm hoping all kinds of us people can have one big giant discussion.
Maybe if enough people want a standard for tablets and smartphones like there is with computers, there will be better progress.
Because at the moment, everyone seems to be doing their own thing, and they are all suing each other over the dumbest details, so what if someone elses device has a home button in the front like an iPhone, where else would you put it?
I think Samsung has the best setup of all of them, its touch buttons in the front bottom, other buttons on the sides.
Seems like a good place to start a standard design, don't you think?
The biggest advantage that Android currently has is that its available for every price range, in every flavor you would want. Android reached 72% market share not due to the flagships but due to the lower end devices that majority of consumers buy. Standardizing the specs at a high end would cause it to not be affordable for many people especially in countries outside the US where there are no carrier subsidies. So I vote for it to go on like this.
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The biggest advantage that Android currently has is that its available for every price range, in every flavor you would want. Android reached 72% market share not due to the flagships but due to the lower end devices that majority of consumers buy. Standardizing the specs at a high end would cause it to not be affordable for many people especially in countries outside the US where there are no carrier subsidies. So I vote for it to go on like this.
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I mean creating a standard like with windows PC's, they are all the same basically, and each has its own price range and level of power.
And windows is the interface between the hardware and the software you install.
With android, I don't see this, I see app developers having to make the app for each device, when they should just have to make it for the android OS, and the android OS is the interface and inturpurtation between the app you install and the device hardware.
Aside from that, they should all at least have a basic standard interface like home, back, search, power, volume, buttons and then the touch screen. Kinda like the samsung phone design.
There are only so many physically achievable ways we can design a smart phone, for example apple sued Samsung over copying their iPhone because the home button on the Samsung phone was mechanical. I mean, what is this world coming to? Where would apple have liked samsung to stick the home button? On the back of the device?
It is in a practical location. So why not put it front and bottom of the screen?
I'm after a "basic" standard, not a complete identical standard. Something kinda like how every windows PC has the same basic keyboard design and mouse design. The rest can be different... But apply it to smart phones and tablets in their own respective interfaces designed.
See what I mean?
(I'm thinking of this great world where android ARM tablets, PC's, and phones replace the current computer systems and stuff. It would work, android seems to be able to do so much more and consume so much less power. While maintaining the same or greater speeds.)
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I mean creating a standard like with windows PC's, they are all the same basically, and each has its own price range and level of power.
And windows is the interface between the hardware and the software you install.
With android, I don't see this, I see app developers having to make the app for each device, when they should just have to make it for the android OS, and the android OS is the interface and inturpurtation between the app you install and the device hardware.
Aside from that, they should all at least have a basic standard interface like home, back, search, power, volume, buttons and then the touch screen. Kinda like the samsung phone design.
There are only so many physically achievable ways we can design a smart phone, for example apple sued Samsung over copying their iPhone because the home button on the Samsung phone was mechanical. I mean, what is this world coming to? Where would apple have liked samsung to stick the home button? On the back of the device?
It is in a practical location. So why not put it front and bottom of the screen?
I'm after a "basic" standard, not a complete identical standard. Something kinda like how every windows PC has the same basic keyboard design and mouse design. The rest can be different... But apply it to smart phones and tablets in their own respective interfaces designed.
See what I mean?
(I'm thinking of this great world where android ARM tablets, PC's, and phones replace the current computer systems and stuff. It would work, android seems to be able to do so much more and consume so much less power. While maintaining the same or greater speeds.)
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You must be a great essay writer
My English teacher would give you an A for sure.
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I know there are few unbranded Chinese Android head-units on eBay and recently Kenwood has released a couple of models running a customized version of Android but without google apps. BUT why hasn’t everyone else jumped on Android yet To me it seems like the most obvious choice??
I can think of few reasons why car manufacturers don’t want to adopt Android, but I can’t think of any reason why 3rd party head-unit manufacturers don’t. Especially a company like Sony who has lot of experience making Android devices .
I started looking for a new head unit a while ago but every one that I would have considered buying was designed to work with iPhone so I stuck with what I've got. It is ridiculous that many manufactures regardless of whatever product think the only People who are going to want to use their products have an iPhone. You literally couldn't give me an Apple product so would like to see Android catered for whenever Phone integration is implemented into X product.
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BUT why hasn’t everyone else jumped on Android yet To me it seems like the most obvious choice??
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About 10 years ago the same stuff was going on with MP3 players. Cars didn't really do it. All the tech nerds were building their own Car PCs because none of the big companies wanted to risk this new fangled thing - CD players were far safer.
The bigger names are noticing this trend to stick Android in the car. That's why you've got Pioneer almost doing it (with that lame thing that simply shows your phone screen) and Kenwood doing their locked down Android thing (missing the point of Android - the customization). Even Holden (Australian side of GM) has been marketing the Barina "with apps", although as far as I can tell, by apps, they mean the stereo is touch screen and has graphical icons for different modes... They all know we want this, they just haven't quite figured out how to provide this as a package for morons (or more accurately, haven't noticed that people are working out Android tablets in their own homes, so can probably do it in the car too).
Give them another 12 months or so and you'll start seeing more "proper" Android in the car, even from the factory....
Hi there,
I want a cheap tablet for my home automation system frontend.
Requirements:
Android
Wifi
up to 120$ (I think that should work)
around 10"
QI-chargeable (e.g. with http://www.tylt.com/images/media/product-images/VU-untitled-18-Edit.jpg) OR dock compatible
Browser running the javascript frontend
apps: weather, tvlistings, etc no special performance needed
Does this exist? What are the china brands to go for? Or is a used one cheaper?
I Initially wanted to mount it on a wall (not fixed) but I think this is a bit more difficult
to QI-charge or plug in. If I put it on a table, I can just use the normal QI stands..
Thanks a lot!
Christoph
I would really recommend you to buy something with more quality so you get something that actually lasts a while. I tried some of those cheap tables and they were pure trash. Could not even keep a simple webpage up and running.
Why do you not buy a older model from one of the more known/popular companies instead? The you could even get something with a guarantee for a few years.
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I would really recommend you to buy something with more quality so you get something that actually lasts a while. I tried some of those cheap tables and they were pure trash. Could not even keep a simple webpage up and running.
Why do you not buy a older model from one of the more known/popular companies instead? The you could even get something with a guarantee for a few years.
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I know some people are using cheap tablets with success so I thought I might give it a try.
But as I've asked above, I could of course also get a used one from ebay, just a bit unsure what exactly to look for.
Just out of curisoity, what kind of home automation solution do you have? Does it have a dedicated app or a pure webbpage the device should display? Would be interesting to get something like that for myself
Uelandir said:
Just out of curisoity, what kind of home automation solution do you have? Does it have a dedicated app or a pure webbpage the device should display? Would be interesting to get something like that for myself
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Since I don't have a KNX bus installation in my house (and don't really need it) I started with http://fhem.de/fhem.html as a server. You can buy dongles for various frequencies so I bought one for Homematic devices and another one for my Somfy blinds.
I made a custom frontend in meteor js and can right now control my thermostates, blinds, cameras and a bit of light. When using FHEM you need a bit of programming, same for openhab which is another popular server supporting different protocols.
There are other, ready-made frontends (more expensive) like Gira, Fibaro or Homee.
I like the idea that you can basically use a raspberry pi running a server, and then just get different modules/usb sticks/dongles for the frequencies of different home automation systems (as there are a lot).
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Since I don't have a KNX bus installation in my house (and don't really need it) I started with http://fhem.de/fhem.html as a server. You can buy dongles for various frequencies so I bought one for Homematic devices and another one for my Somfy blinds.
I made a custom frontend in meteor js and can right now control my thermostates, blinds, cameras and a bit of light. When using FHEM you need a bit of programming, same for openhab which is another popular server supporting different protocols.
There are other, ready-made frontends (more expensive) like Gira, Fibaro or Homee.
I like the idea that you can basically use a raspberry pi running a server, and then just get different modules/usb sticks/dongles for the frequencies of different home automation systems (as there are a lot).
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Interesting! I am looking into something like that myself so always great to get some more ideas on how it can be done.
No problem
So back to topic.. I'm unsure what to look for, I could get a used Galaxy Tab 2 for around 70-90 EUR, or for example a used http://www.efox-shop.com/nextway-q1...-zoll-ips-1280-800-android-41-3gumts-g-290767 for around 90..
Did you ever decide on anything? I have this exact same question. I'm wanting to buy like a cheap $50 tablet and then add qi charging to it. I use AutHomationHD with my Vera Lite system. The plan is to add the Qi charging to the tablet and then embed large magnets inside the tablet so it will stick to the wall but be removable so I can move it between different rooms.
not yet
I didn't find anything yet.. had some other projects as well..
If you find anything, please let me know
Try a pendo pad you could pick a 10" one for about $130 mine lasted a year, otherwise I would stay away from cheap China tablets as they are crap, and they won't last
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I'm faithful android user. No idea of changing from android, as a primary phone.
Currently using Blackberry Bold 9790 for office use ( not heavy on office email). would like to replace it with iphone 6 or bb passport ( or future bb phones as per MWC 2015).
Which one should i get. Based on some sites they recommend passport rather than iphone ; but my friends pushing me for iphone. My criteria:
1) I prefer to do a bit of customisation on the device i own; hardly stick with 100% factory settings (i.e themes, icon pack, interface etc) .
2) good user experience
3) fair app supports.
pls help....
Both devices are terrible with customizaions, except if you were to jailbreak the iPhone you could customise it a bit more.
The user experience on the iPhone is as expected,( locked down version of android but no where near as good ) but for something different the passport is the best as it is a square phone and may take a bit of getting used to.
App supports- the iPhone has the advantage of amount of apps over bb but alot of these will cost money and more than on the play store. But now bb has Amazon app store support so there will now be free app of the day and these apps are also on android but there are not as many as there are on the play store.
The iPhone is more of a status riser as most people think of apple as high quality goods makers and alot of people have them because their friends have them and they do not want to feel left out or different whereas BlackBerry are now falling out of the market so I would go for one of those if you want to be different or follow the android motto: “Be together, not the same”.
So I would pick the passport just to be different and stand out from the crowd.
The passport is awesome. Being able to get Amazon store apps and Android apps on it is a major bonus. The build quality is really solid and the keyboard is my favorite for a qwerty keyboard mobile device so far.
That being said, the iPhone has the status that comes with Apple devices and has a great camera. The user experience is also a lot better.
As an avid Android user, I would pick the Passport over the iPhone due to the huge amount of apps available for it if you use something like snap apk downloader.
thanks guys... keep your suggestions & justification pouring...:good:
anymore feedback?