I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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Yea I am a noob... where in my question did I say I wanted more memory? Are you a noob at reading? I asked if the script I am using goes against the principle of using memory or if it is in fact filling it. Forgive me if I was unclear, but a Smiley in your post doesn't make up for a snide reply. I've only been using android for over a month and i have learned quite a bit already. Just wanted a little clarification/
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Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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I have always said that im not looking so much for a higher number where I see free ram. I just didn't want my ram being used AT ALL by apps/processes that I don't touch AT ALL. Thus allowing me to have more "free ram" for the things I DO USE which of course makes my phone "run faster/smoother" as my system doesn't have ti drop an app I am not using to allow enough ram to go to the one I am opening.
Just felt.like putting my 2cents sorry.
And I only use v6 supercharger for oom grouping fix as that's what I found benefits the.phones operations. Its not the minfree adjustments that help so much as the groupings fix that comes along with it. At least that's what I've found with my experience /experiments
try it. U SHOULD notice same silky buttery results
Everyone seems to find different results tho but it's worth a try. I feel like gingerbread minfrees are fine where they are. Oom grouping fix is what's helping/needed for smoother operations
It just gets old with people complaining about their lack of memory. Supercharger and speedy etc work by other ways. The free memory is (almost) inconsequential.
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It just gets old with people complaining about their lack of memory. Supercharger and speedy etc work by other ways. The free memory is (almost) inconsequential.
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I can understand what your saying. I was by no means complaining. I am loving how my phone is running. Just wanted some information on what these scripts are doing. From what I understand they free memory up, which goes against what I read is opposite of how the phone should work. Either way phone runs like sh*t thru a goose!!
You can't blame people for complaining about the memory problems. Between the 384 MB RAM and Motorola's inability to program, this phone multitasks worse than an iPhone on iOS 1.
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This thread needs closed. Not b/c of the OP but b/c of the back handed comments to the OP..if he/she wants to spend time finding the best way to have more free RAM then he should be allowed to inquire, after searching first, w/out people back handing him, but this wouldn't be XDA if you folks let this go.
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I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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Basically what these scripts do is change the limit for when Android "needs" to kill a running process. Different types of processes are assigned an OOM or Out Of Memory group. when free memory reaches your limit you choose in these scripts Android starts killing off apps with the least amount of "value" so if say you've picked a setting in your script that says you want 80mb free, as long as you have 80mb or more free it leaves the idle processes alone, the second it dips below 80 Android starts killing idle processes to free up memory and continuing on killing processes until it's back to the preprogrammed "safe levels".
I probably got something wrong there or left something out/mixed something up, I haven't slept in 2 days but, that's the jist of it.
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Basically what these scripts do is change the limit for when Android "needs" to kill a running process. Different types of processes are assigned an OOM or Out Of Memory group. when free memory reaches your limit you choose in these scripts Android starts killing off apps with the least amount of "value" so if say you've picked a setting in your script that says you want 80mb free, as long as you have 80mb or more free it leaves the idle processes alone, the second it dips below 80 Android starts killing idle processes to free up memory and continuing on killing processes until it's back to the preprogrammed "safe levels".
I probably got something wrong there or left something out/mixed something up, I haven't slept in 2 days but, that's the jist of it.
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Thanks man... I appreciate the info. I really don't worry about free memory at all. That was not my intention in this thread. I am new to android and when I pick something up I wanna learn as much as I can about it. Asking questions is usually the best way to find answers haha.
To the poster that asked for this thread to be closed, I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't worry about petty things posted on the internet. I told him what I thought and that's that...
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Thanks man... I appreciate the info. I really don't worry about free memory at all. That was not my intention in this thread. I am new to android and when I pick something up I wanna learn as much as I can about it. Asking questions is usually the best way to find answers haha.
To the poster that asked for this thread to be closed, I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't worry about petty things posted on the internet. I told him what I thought and that's that...
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You're welcome, I'm just like you, I like to know how stuff works. You've probably heard it before but, a well phrased google search really is your best friend. You might have to skim over a dozen pages before you really find what you want to know but have the battle is knowing some key terms. Like "minfrees" "OOM groupings" etc. Also I believe zeppelinrocks OP on supercharger script has a lot of the info you're looking for. Just keep reading, keep google searching new terms you learn, keep asking questions, and most importantly don't get discouraged.
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You're welcome, I'm just like you, I like to know how stuff works. You've probably heard it before but, a well phrased google search really is your best friend. You might have to skim over a dozen pages before you really find what you want to know but have the battle is knowing some key terms. Like "minfrees" "OOM groupings" etc. Also I believe zeppelinrocks OP on supercharger script has a lot of the info you're looking for. Just keep reading, keep google searching new terms you learn, keep asking questions, and most importantly don't get discouraged.
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+1 Zepps supercharger thread is GREAT and had so much info! I learned a lot reading some of that thread.
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See, it's the attitude exhibited by people like ilovesoad that burns my ass.
Linux "gurus" that preach that memory must be as full as possible and it won't effect performance.
That's Bull****.
Guess what?
Linux is for PCs. So why the hell should Android be configured like it's a PC?
Yeah great, background apps load quicker when ram is full. Big deal.
What good is that when the dialer lags like hell? It's a phone ffs.
I don't need a ram filled, laggy phone that does **** that I don't care about in the background.
Fact is, when memory is too full, it bogs down to the point that you want to pull your hair out.
On the flipside, any given device won't get any performance increase over a certain level of free RAM.
So I try and find settings that match up to a devices "lag level" - the point at which free RAM gets low enough to slow the system down.
The faster the phone, the more free ram it needs free so that the cpu doesn't get bottlenecked by too little ram.
Anything above that is pointless.
So on my Milestone, which doesn't have much ram anyway, the lag level is about 25 - 30 mb - so that's what I set slot 3 at for 256 mb devices.
For 512mb devices I got ALOT of input in order to determine that a 512mb device will start to lag anywhere between 50 -80 mb or so... so that's why I have slot 3 in that ballpark for my 512mb device settings.
So that's what it does - finds the balance between performance and multitasking - while getting rid of the damn laggy launcher once and for all.
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See, it's the attitude exhibited by people like ilovesoad that burns my ass.
Linux "gurus" that preach that memory must be as full as possible and it won't effect performance.
That's Bull****.
Guess what?
Linux is for PCs. So why the hell should Android be configured like it's a PC?
Yeah great, background apps load quicker when ram is full. Big deal.
What good is that when the dialer lags like hell? It's a phone ffs.
I don't need a ram filled, laggy phone that does **** that I don't care about in the background.
Fact is, when memory is too full, it bogs down to the point that you want to pull your hair out.
On the flipside, any given device won't get any performance increase over a certain level of free RAM.
So I try and find settings that match up to a devices "lag level" - the point at which free RAM gets low enough to slow the system down.
The faster the phone, the more free ram it needs free so that the cpu doesn't get bottlenecked by too little ram.
Anything above that is pointless.
So on my Milestone, which doesn't have much ram anyway, the lag level is about 25 - 30 mb - so that's what I set slot 3 at for 256 mb devices.
For 512mb devices I got ALOT of input in order to determine that a 512mb device will start to lag anywhere between 50 -80 mb or so... so that's why I have slot 3 in that ballpark for my 512mb device settings.
So that's what it does - finds the balance between performance and multitasking - while getting rid of the damn laggy launcher once and for all.
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Thanks a lot for responding, you answered my question and put the smack down too lol. Script is running fine and phone is fast fast fast. I even use a lwp now with no lag!!!!
heh.. yeah.. it was late and I was tired and gumpy but the rant felt great lol
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heh.. yeah.. it was late and I was tired and gumpy but the rant felt great lol
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Tired/buzzing/don't care rants feel the best...I did one of the don't care rants on the moto soak test forum. Felt damn good to get it out there
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So I followed the instructions in the v6 SuperCharger script thread and the phone is wicked fast now, virtually no lag whatsoever. But I have what appears to be a battery drain issue. Spare Parts and SystemPanel let me zero in on a process called "zygote" which was consuming 30% of the CPU even when the screen was off. I may try disabling the script to see what happens but I'd hate to go back to the stock laggy experience.
Does anyone know what zygote does or is for and why it would keep running continuously? Are the new memory values causing the phone to keep shifting around apps/processes to maintain the minimum free memory and this is using up CPU and therefore battery?
Eric
Which areas on the phone were you noticing considerable lag?
Did you also figure out what the process was and why it was taking up so many cycles?
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Which areas on the phone were you noticing considerable lag?
Did you also figure out what the process was and why it was taking up so many cycles?
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Are you asking me? The process is called "zygote" in SystemPanel. Under Spare Parts, Android System was shown as keeping the phone awake.
The original lag I was experiencing was within various apps and also ADW Launcher flipping between homescreens.
Eric
I was intrigued and googled it. The best answer I found without too much digging was here:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/fa8a9e3f3b891b0d/44b3bb43d0aa783a
But by that explanation it doesnt seem like zygote should be using that much cpu. Perhaps this script changes its behavior?
Still surprised people do not have red flags for concern in regards to having to use this app in the first place. People are having to use an app designed for low memory devices (256mb) on a device with 512mb. gTablet has 512mb, Tegra 2, Froyo as well, but does NOT have these problems and performs much better (never thought I would say that, but the gtablet DOES perform MUCH better).
That said, if the mystery of the low ram issue, audio pops and random reboots are fixed in an update- the DX2 will be great (IMO). Had the DX2 for two weeks and wanted to keep it, but the issues mentioned were not worth messing with. Having the similar software and hardware on the gTablet gave me a source for comparing and realizing something is wrong with the DX2's firmware.
Not to hijack, but when you get to this part in the Tutorial, which setting should one choose for the x2?
"Touch the screen and tap the number 6, Balanced 3, the best choice for GT540, and hit ENTER .... The script will work .... after finished, touch the screen again and tap the number 16"
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Not to hijack, but when you get to this part in the Tutorial, which setting should one choose for the x2?
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"9 MegaMemory Device"
assuming you're using update2
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theguru1974 said:
So I followed the instructions in the v6 SuperCharger script thread and the phone is wicked fast now, virtually no lag whatsoever. But I have what appears to be a battery drain issue. Spare Parts and SystemPanel let me zero in on a process called "zygote" which was consuming 30% of the CPU even when the screen was off. I may try disabling the script to see what happens but I'd hate to go back to the stock laggy experience.
Does anyone know what zygote does or is for and why it would keep running continuously? Are the new memory values causing the phone to keep shifting around apps/processes to maintain the minimum free memory and this is using up CPU and therefore battery?
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Any resolution on this guru? I'm having the exact same issue.
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Still surprised people do not have red flags for concern in regards to having to use this app in the first place. People are having to use an app designed for low memory devices (256mb) on a device with 512mb. gTablet has 512mb, Tegra 2, Froyo as well, but does NOT have these problems and performs much better (never thought I would say that, but the gtablet DOES perform MUCH better).
That said, if the mystery of the low ram issue, audio pops and random reboots are fixed in an update- the DX2 will be great (IMO). Had the DX2 for two weeks and wanted to keep it, but the issues mentioned were not worth messing with. Having the similar software and hardware on the gTablet gave me a source for comparing and realizing something is wrong with the DX2's firmware.
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You're an idiot.
I've told you a few times already that the script fixes badly configured memory management no matter what the device.
The minfrees is a secondary to the primary function - fixing OOM groupings and priorities for optimal performance.
Is an app like AKMO or AMM only good for 256 mb devices?
No, they aren't. But all they do is change minfree values.
So don't be so stupid.
And for those that think it's causing battery drain, unsupercharge.
You will still have battery drain and the phone will be slower.
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You're an idiot.
I've told you a few times already that the script fixes badly configured memory management no matter what the device.
The minfrees is a secondary to the primary function - fixing OOM groupings and priorities for optimal performance.
Is an app like AKMO or AMM only good for 256 mb devices?
No, they aren't. But all they do is change minfree values.
So don't be so stupid.
And for those that think it's causing battery drain, unsupercharge.
You will still have battery drain and the phone will be slower.
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You appear to be a rude individual who disgraces Led Zep and showed be forced to change your icon to Vanilla Ice
The DX2 should NOT require to be managed for low ram. gTablet has none of these issues and besides some telephony tasks, has the same hardware and software setup as the DX2- none of the issues and no need to have to manage low operational ram. Seems the DX2 does not truly have 512mb of FUNCTIONAL ram, hence the need to run non standard scripts. For folks that do not root, they are SCREWED due to pi55 poor firmware by Motorola.
Start being nicer to people and you can keep your Led Zep icon with honor/honour.
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You're an idiot.
I've told you a few times already that the script fixes badly configured memory management no matter what the device.
The minfrees is a secondary to the primary function - fixing OOM groupings and priorities for optimal performance.
Is an app like AKMO or AMM only good for 256 mb devices?
No, they aren't. But all they do is change minfree values.
So don't be so stupid.
And for those that think it's causing battery drain, unsupercharge.
You will still have battery drain and the phone will be slower.
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I tend to agree with you on this. Having dealt with hardware for 25+ years, rarely does the hardware come optimized to a truly great point. Some are definitely worse than others, but there can still be improvements.
Expecting a perfectly optimized piece of hardware/software from any company seems bit foolish. Fortunately the community that uses the hardware are generally the best at getting it to it's best state, regardless of what those who like to drink the koolaid might say.
In any case, I ran this on my X2 and everything had been tip-top since. I have not seen this Zygote issue and I used option 9.
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I tend to agree with you on this. Having dealt with hardware for 25+ years, rarely does the hardware come optimized to a truly great point. Some are definitely worse than others, but there can still be improvements.
Expecting a perfectly optimized piece of hardware/software from any company seems bit foolish. Fortunately the community that uses the hardware are generally the best at getting it to it's best state, regardless of what those who like to drink the koolaid might say.
In any case, I ran this on my X2 and everything had been tip-top since. I have not seen this Zygote issue and I used option 9.
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Not seeing/tasting the koolaid here. Very simple point that out of box, the DX2 has to be managed like a 256mb ram device. I have been around a tad too and have my undergrad in computer electronics (so far back, we still used Tandy's to program eeproms then) so have a teeny bit of subject matter appreciation.
The points were never about the script, but the device itself. Out of box, the device operates with low ram- just like the Droid 1 (which I also owned). Back then, no problem, since 2.1 and lower only really used 256mb ram and the Droid 1 was (IMO) ten times better than the G1 that I also bought at launch.
For as long as there have been computers, people have been tweaking them.
Tell me, does each windows computer sold have a different memory configuration depending on ram?
No, its managed the same across the board.
Same thing with android.
I've been tweaking them since I had a pentium 90..ya... 90mhz with windows95.
You got rid of it and still troll forums as your new hobby.
No, you didn't drink the koolaid.
You tried V6 with low ram values, ignored my suggested megamemory settings, returned the phone, and troll and whine every chance you get about it.
So stop being an ignorant suck and enjoy your new whatever...
Oh yeah... I can be rude... big deal.
Just like you can be ignorant.
I just have a low tolerance to intentional ignorance.
You still spew stuff about 256mb device settings despite the fact that the script has megamemory device settings while the main feature is fixing the notoriously bad memory configuration of gingerbread on ALL devices.
If you can't grasp that, you're stupid too.
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For as long as there have been computers, people have been tweaking them.
Tell me, does each windows computer sold have a different memory configuration depending on ram?
No, its managed the same across the board.
Same thing with android.
I've been tweaking them since I had a pentium 90..ya... 90mhz with windows95.
You got rid of it and still troll forums as your new hobby.
No, you didn't drink the koolaid.
You tried V6 with low ram values, ignored my suggested megamemory settings, returned the phone, and troll and whine every chance you get about it.
So stop being an ignorant suck and enjoy your new whatever...
Oh yeah... I can be rude... big deal.
Just like you can be ignorant.
I just have a low tolerance to intentional ignorance.
You still spew stuff about 256mb device settings despite the fact that the script has megamemory device settings while the main feature is fixing the notoriously bad memory configuration of gingerbread on ALL devices.
If you can't grasp that, you're stupid too.
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To think I spent years in the Marines defending the rights of free speech for smack talkers like yourself
Based on your retorts and recalcitrant position, it seems you have everything figured out.
Bonzo would NOT approve of your attitude, nor the DX2 firmware.
yep, telling it like it is is not always popular, just ask Howard Cosell.
Btw why do you think musical artists are gods or religious figures or something?
That's so misguided. heh.
Oh yeah, there's the zep bio called Hammer of the Gods... I've read it and they aren't really gods lol
But they swung a mean hammer so maybe I do the name justice after all
OK, we are supposed to have like a huge amount of memory for the 3D but when I check my task manager I have like about 80 to 100 free. Is that normal? I do have a task manager, memory optimization, and this is still going on.
Thoughts?
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OK, we are supposed to have like a huge amount of memory for the 3D but when I check my task manager I have like about 80 to 100 free. Is that normal? I do have a task manager, memory optimization, and this is still going on.
Thoughts?
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Only use the task manager that is pre installed on the phone. Also you have 1gb to play with why not use it
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Only use the task manager that is pre installed on the phone. Also you have 1gb to play with why not use it
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Why only the one with the phone? That doesn't give you much flexibility. It simply allows you to kill running applications.. And you have to do it manually.
Any other thoughts to get my memory up? It's just weird that i have 1gb oh memory, the same amount of software as i did my evo4g and I still only have the same amount of memory free as i did the evo4g.
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Why only the one with the phone? That doesn't give you much flexibility. It simply allows you to kill running applications.. And you have to do it manually.
Any other thoughts to get my memory up? It's just weird that i have 1gb oh memory, the same amount of software as i did my evo4g and I still only have the same amount of memory free as i did the evo4g.
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Because other task managers and such mess with the system. the stock one works great and kills things when it needs to. nothing wrong with all your apps running, if you need more memory it will kill whatever is open that you are using the least. makes your phone faster because you dont have to re load everything all the time
Android manages memory on its own and is a lot different than say how Windows handles it. I'll try to explain this, but my explanation will probably be a little simplified.
First, Sense 3.0 uses more memory to begin with and secondly there was reports of the Evo 3D reporting used/available memory slightly incorrect but I don't remember if that was confirmed or how far off it was.
As for Android, to keep the phone optimized for performance and battery, it keeps apps stored in memory - seemingly as much as it can to an extent. The apps don't run, they're just preloaded. This also allows those apps to do their thing if needed (update information every so often for example).
Since they're not exactly running and just sitting in memory, they have minimal drain on the battery. If you have a more detailed task manager, you'll see CPU usage is sitting around 0% for everything that's open.
While Android manages its own memory, when one app closes, it most likely will open another to keep loaded. The problem with using task managers to keep your memory free is that most of the time you're fighting the system. Close one app, another or the same one loads again. It drains more battery opening/closing constantly than to just leave it sit.
I think the only reason a task manager should be used ever is to close a rogue app - one that can't/won't close and is just working the CPU.
I think the suggestion to just use the stock one is so you don't set anything up that would fight the system or close something the core system needs running.
Hell, I have around 100MB showing free and the phone still flies. Android doesn't need to keep so much memory free like Windows does.
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Why only the one with the phone? That doesn't give you much flexibility. It simply allows you to kill running applications.. And you have to do it manually.
Any other thoughts to get my memory up? It's just weird that i have 1gb oh memory, the same amount of software as i did my evo4g and I still only have the same amount of memory free as i did the evo4g.
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gk1984 summed it up pretty well for you. Here is an article if you have interest in reading a little. http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Just stick with the built in task killer, and let android manage it's memory. As has been noted, the reason that you have such a huge amount of your memory being used up is simple: Sense 3.0 uses a ton of resources, period. When we get an AOSP rom on this thing, install that. I guarantee we will have 700mb or more free memory. Sense is nice, but a resource hog none the less.
Just flashed my first ROM a few days ago. It was the Eclipse 0.2.2. Things seem to be running well but I was wondering if there are more performance tweeks (intermediate) that I could do. I still seem to get home screen redraws. I see where some people are seeing as much as 200 mb's of free ram after the flash. I run in the 90's most of the time reaching 140 to 160 right after a reboot. To be honest that is pretty close to what I had been running since the Gingerbread update. Anyone have any performance tweeks I can make keeping in mind my relative inexperience?
Great forum and thanks for all the informative tips!!!!
Just to start out, you may want to sbf and wipe all caches and try reinstalling because I think eclipse is fast as hell. If you feel you got a clean install you can go to android dev subforum and read the init.d hack thread. I didn't notice much of a difference but I am in the minority. Most people feel the init.d hack really speeds things up
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Just flashed my first ROM a few days ago. It was the Eclipse 0.2.2. Things seem to be running well but I was wondering if there are more performance tweeks (intermediate) that I could do. I still seem to get home screen redraws. I see where some people are seeing as much as 200 mb's of free ram after the flash. I run in the 90's most of the time reaching 140 to 160 right after a reboot. To be honest that is pretty close to what I had been running since the Gingerbread update. Anyone have any performance tweeks I can make keeping in mind my relative inexperience?
Great forum and thanks for all the informative tips!!!!
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Bulletproof your launcher - that will help. Are you running any of the social network accounts? Kill 'em if so and check your RAM then. Here is a link for the bulletproof:
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/bu...draw-launcherpro-adw-credit-samsonite801.html
I change the "1" to a "0" - 1 is 'Hard to Kill' and 0 is 'Bulletproof'
Running the init.d hack with Auto Killer Memory Optimizer set to extreme had me running around 180mb free at boot and hover around 150mb for the most part. Haven't tested these long enough to see if that 150 drops further. W/out AKMO I would drop as far down as 80mb free.
Thx for that link, Mistawolfe, gonna check out bulletproofin.
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I thought the init.d hack was for Froyo only? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thread.
Look for the post authored by Navenedrob. There is/was another but I think that one is dead. Someone correct me if I'm wrong..
I would link it but I don't believe I can with the non-donated XDA app.
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Bulletproof your launcher - that will help. Are you running any of the social network accounts? Kill 'em if so and check your RAM then. Here is a link for the bulletproof:
I change the "1" to a "0" - 1 is 'Hard to Kill' and 0 is 'Bulletproof'
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Thanks I will try that tomorrow and post my results!!!
Wow! mistawolf that bulletproof trick really worked!!!!! Thanks for the tip.....not much luck on the free ram....what do you think of running that init.d hack with Auto Killer Memory Optimizer set to extreme as suggested by XOdos?
I removed AKMO this morning after the battery dropped 20% during my morning use: xda checks, fb updates, any email and/or txt received overnight, and market updates. Not the typical battery drop for my extended battery; a very significant drop for that matter.
I wasn't so much suggesting you try that set up as much as I was stating the combo seemed to give me more available RAM. As I've learned, every phone seems to behave differently to various settings, ROMS, kernels and hacks. I try out various combos n go from there.
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GigaRack said:
Wow! mistawolf that bulletproof trick really worked!!!!! Thanks for the tip.....not much luck on the free ram....what do you think of running that init.d hack with Auto Killer Memory Optimizer set to extreme as suggested by XOdos?
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Check your running services. I bet you have a couple apps just eating stuff up. I have to kill TweetCaster on occasion after viewing or else it will run in the background and gobble up RAM. I don't have any scripts or anything on 2.2 and I go anywhere from 105 to 165 free.
Also, when I used MKMO, I had it set to aggressive, or slightly aggressive, not sure the exact name.
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ok I realized last night that even with the Eclipse ROM there was a lot of bloatware that still needed to be frozen. So after reviewing the suggested items throughout this forum I used Bloat Freezer to remove at least a dozen items. After a reboot I went to 187M of free Ram.....yes!!!! Happy to say I woke up with free RAM sitting at 138!!!!! I am loving my Droid X2 and this forum! Special thanks again to mistawolf who suggested bulletproofing the launcher and looking at my social systems. Didn't realize that even though I was not signed into any social accounts they were still running in the background. Now I am mean and clean!!! Thanks all!!
I did my first ROM and battery update with NonS3ns3 V2.0. All went fine.
I was surprised to see less than 200MB of memory free after the upgrade. I thought one of the benefits of this ROM was that I would be seeing closer to 300 MB of memory free.
I am not using ADW. Currently I have Go Launcher for my front end. Could that be the issue?
Any suggestions?
swieder711 said:
I did my first ROM and battery update with NonS3ns3 V2.0. All went fine.
I was surprised to see less than 200MB of memory free after the upgrade. I thought one of the benefits of this ROM was that I would be seeing closer to 300 MB of memory free.
I am not using ADW. Currently I have Go Launcher for my front end. Could that be the issue?
Any suggestions?
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Unused memory is wasted memory. The goal is to use as much as possible while keeping a reserve free for any app that might be opened.
Go launcher is not the issue. I have near 350-400mb on boot with CM7 and I use it (and it's set to stay in memory).
However, as stated previously, if you're not using your ram it's going to waste and I still wouldnt' care if I only had 200mb free. It's not like on windows where you have to start closing stuff to get the ram back. If you start running out, it'll just start closing apps you're not using for you. I wouldn't worry about it. As much as my ram miser instincts want to kick in (because I started out on computers when 8-16mb of ram was a lot ), I just tell that urge to STFU because it's a dumb idea.
I usually have about 240MB free right after boot and that quickly dwindles down to about 140MB to 160MB. That really is plenty for just about anything you're going to make the phone do at any particular moment. When you think about it, an entire Sense ROM couldn't fill all the memory available, much less AOSP. There's caches and other files taking up the rest of the space, which is good because that's less data pulled from eMMC. Addressing eMMC eat a lot of power. Some of the kernel devs have some good info on how their kernels work and how to tweak them to free up more or less memory. It is possible to script the kernel to much more aggressively free up memory, but typically that will hurt performance.
Thanks for the replies. I am new to Android (2 weeks) so still trying to figure out a few things. I am coming from the old school where more free memory was always a good thing so that new apps would start faster.
I am really surprised by how many apps are running in the background on there own such as Whitepages, News, XDA, Weather, Amazon App store, My Verizon, etc. Why are all these apps running? I cant see why the Amazon App store app needs to be running unless I am using it.
I have seen some tools that can be set up to automatically kill some of these apps. Is it worth it? Which one do you reccommend?
I use this and its fantastic. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
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swieder711 said:
Thanks for the replies. I am new to Android (2 weeks) so still trying to figure out a few things. I am coming from the old school where more free memory was always a good thing so that new apps would start faster.
I am really surprised by how many apps are running in the background on there own such as Whitepages, News, XDA, Weather, Amazon App store, My Verizon, etc. Why are all these apps running? I cant see why the Amazon App store app needs to be running unless I am using it.
I have seen some tools that can be set up to automatically kill some of these apps. Is it worth it? Which one do you reccommend?
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Amazon apps, in general, are abuse to resources. Not sure what to tell you about killing it, because killing it is just going to make it restart again, and that's going to eat more battery than letting it just suck up space.
It's not so much the apps on Amazon as the Amazon App itself and how they implement things. Amazon has some crappy DRM for their apps (if the developer decides they want it). Basically means it checks a lot to see if you're online and allowed to use the application (but does so way more than it needs). Some apps have problems or did with working in airplane mode because of that.
It also thinks you have a new phone nearly 100% of the time when you flash a new rom or update your current one. You can log into your amazon account on your PC and find out how many "phones" you have under your account settings for their apps. Each added phone basically causes the app to flip out more and cause more problems, so deleting the extra ones is a good idea.
Other apps will not work without the Amazon store installed, which is a poorly coded piece of crap as well that won't work if you try to modify the contents of the apk.
Also, a lot of those apps running in the background are not really taking up resources, they're just keeping a bare minimum loaded into memory and the rest is cached. They do that so they can load up quickly (like the browser, maps, etc).
I've been on BAMF forever for a few days now, and I typically have only 90-100MB of free RAM. It has been absolutely smooth as can be with no lag. I can open an app, use it for a bit, and then hit home so I can open another app to check on something, and the first app stays in memory just as it should.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have removed Amazon from my Tbolt.
It still bothers me to see all those other apps being loaded in the background without asking first. It's like my 17 yo daughter leaving her stuff around the house. It just seems disrespectful of the common spaces.
swieder711 said:
Thanks for the feedback. I have removed Amazon from my Tbolt.
It still bothers me to see all those other apps being loaded in the background without asking first. It's like my 17 yo daughter leaving her stuff around the house. It just seems disrespectful of the common spaces.
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you'll get used to it. just pretend they're not really open (well most really aren't open, so I guess you dont totally have to pretend, haha)
Just what it says. I've had my Galaxy S3 for 4 days and I've noticed that I only ever have about 100mbs (out of 800) free on my phone at any one time.
On my SGS2 I have over 300mb even with many games/apps running.
Sure my SGS3 is far faster than my SGS2 but when it comes to Web surfing and watching flash videos on pages, as well as just browsing around the home screen sometimes the phone gets so low on memory that it just starts to randomly kill apps that I have open. Apps like: Avast (which I don't use for the Anti-virus but for the extensive Anti-theft protection), Viber - which I use for making and receiving VoIP calls and Tasker. Which I use for automating things.
Surely a phone like this needs RAM I'm sure. But leaving me with just 100mbs spare for everything else can't be right can it?
I don't have many things running. Just the normal stuff. The main point is that my SGS2 could easily handle all this.
Anyone else having the same problem? Is there anything I can do? I use the Opera Mobile (not lite) browser.
I'd be happy to provide more information if needed. I'm pretty gutted over this. Battery life is lovely but the phone's performance grinds to a total halt when it clears its RAM... Which I never did manually on my SGS2 because it drains battery when it caches everything instantly again anyway.
Thanks so much in advance.
P.S. I can't find a 'task manager' app anywhere. I know if hold down the home button that I can access the task manager by pressing 'task manager' but that doesn't show me anything useful like what the SGS2 does. I can't exit apps or see how much RAM and CPU they are using or anything. Does the SGS3 really not have this option??
Touchwiz for s3 is heavy! Normally you shouldn't worry about ram on Android but touchwiz is really little much... I would recommend cm9 maybe.. Lightweight and fast
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Free ram is wasted ram, that is all
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Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
Ram handling is clearly flawed in SGS 3, lets hope the is no HW bug.
Hopefully future updates will fix the leaking memory.
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
leijonasisu said:
Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
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What are you even doing here? I'm running custom rom and the killing of apps is gone.
To those people spamming about "free ram is wasted ram" that is true BUT samsung set their priorities wrong to start killing apps you use, since touchwiz is pretty big it kills the apps you need instead. On cm9 the ram can be used for cache for stuff you actually need and use. This dude having issues with multitasking due to bad priorities wich is solved by mods / custom roms.. If you not are willing to try that I have no clue why you ask in xda for help.
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leijonasisu said:
Just what it says. I've had my Galaxy S3 for 4 days and I've noticed that I only ever have about 100mbs (out of 800) free on my phone at any one time.
On my SGS2 I have over 300mb even with many games/apps running.
Sure my SGS3 is far faster than my SGS2 but when it comes to Web surfing and watching flash videos on pages, as well as just browsing around the home screen sometimes the phone gets so low on memory that it just starts to randomly kill apps that I have open. Apps like: Avast (which I don't use for the Anti-virus but for the extensive Anti-theft protection), Viber - which I use for making and receiving VoIP calls and Tasker. Which I use for automating things.
Surely a phone like this needs RAM I'm sure. But leaving me with just 100mbs spare for everything else can't be right can it?
I don't have many things running. Just the normal stuff. The main point is that my SGS2 could easily handle all this.
Anyone else having the same problem? Is there anything I can do? I use the Opera Mobile (not lite) browser.
I'd be happy to provide more information if needed. I'm pretty gutted over this. Battery life is lovely but the phone's performance grinds to a total halt when it clears its RAM... Which I never did manually on my SGS2 because it drains battery when it caches everything instantly again anyway.
Thanks so much in advance.
P.S. I can't find a 'task manager' app anywhere. I know if hold down the home button that I can access the task manager by pressing 'task manager' but that doesn't show me anything useful like what the SGS2 does. I can't exit apps or see how much RAM and CPU they are using or anything. Does the SGS3 really not have this option??
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Maybe free ram in android is wasted ram, but only if the ram is used for USEFUL apps. Samsung have made a lot of stupid apps run in the background at all time, like softwareupdate, Chaton, some clud service process, AllShare Service, and a lot more (google maps also run at any given time, eating 30 mb of ram). All of this apps run in the background and take up a lot of ram, even tho I NEVER use this apps. All of these running apps, prevent the apps that I USE from being kept in the ram, and thus leads to a longer load time (f.x. Handcent SMS take a sec or 2 to load if it is not already loaded in the ram). What I did was to download Autostarts from the market and prevent these apps from starting up by themself, and thus I made room for the apps I use to be kept in the ram. However, be carefull, disabling apps from starting up (especially system apps), can cause problems!
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Free ram is wasted ram, that is all
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If someone has 300MB free ram and is asking about freeing up more ram this makes sense.
If free ram is always <100mb then there's a memory management problem.
OP try disabling unused apps in the app manager, streamline startup apps and use gemini to turn off auto launching of unneeded apps.
On stock I used to have about 150-200MB free ram at boot. With CM9 and 10 i get 300-400MB free RAM at boot.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
leijonasisu said:
Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
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Just freeze all of the bloatware. Install a good custom kernel (eg Siyah) and move on! No one to blame but yourself for not doing that or wanting to.
Android is doing its job just fine with memory. It's just bogged down by Samsung and vendor crapware.
Be lucky you ain't in the US, DHS big brother software becoming mandatory soon lol
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tsangwc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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mant thanks for your post, wasn't awared about this 2 topics... :good:
dfMails said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
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This has nothing to do with the issues op is facing, stop spamming all these in threads without reading the op at least.. I'm not talking to you directly but to everyone that just reads topic and "free ram wasted ram!"
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norpan111 said:
This has nothing to do with the issues op is facing, stop spamming all these in threads without reading the op at least.. I'm not talking to you directly but to everyone that just reads topic and "free ram wasted ram!"
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Tell me about it. Ive been here a week n already sick of all the 'You're a noob we're better than you' bs :-/
DocRambone said:
Ram handling is clearly flawed in SGS 3, lets hope the is no HW bug.
Hopefully future updates will fix the leaking memory.
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I can see that from just normal use. If any webpage is open with any sort of flash container my SGS3 just starts killing background apps and throwing "Low RAM" errors. I wonder if Jelly Bean will fix this issue?
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Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
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Excuse me but not everyone who asks questions in the XDA forums are idiots. I don't know what's with the attitude here of everyone with a couple of hundred posts but I'm not impressed. Knowing how RAM management works has NOTHING to do with this thread. The complaint in question here is that my phone is constantly running out of RAM and when it does it starts to kill background apps to free RAM which in turn grinds my phone down to a halt, and drains the battery excessively. Are you just here to get your post count up or something?
tsangwc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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UGHHHH!!! READ WHOLE DAMN POST! NOT JUST THE THREAD LINE.. I don't care about if my phone has 3MB of RAM free all the time or not as long as it works without a hitch, what I care about is that my phone is killing background apps that I need open and then constantly reloading them over and over when I'm web browsing and sometimes when I'm just at the home-screen.
norpan111 said:
What are you even doing here? If you not are willing to try that I have no clue why you ask in xda for help.
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XDA isn't just about modding/using custom roms etc. There are multiple sections on the forums here for discussion about other topics. Including asking general questions about the device... I use ROMs on my other phones where I can because I love them and I don't mind the constant updating I have to do. But on this phone, I don't want to use partially-unstable roms that require me to constantly flash my phone over and over again just to get features that are already working fine in the general release version. There is no guarantee that this problem will be fixed in a rom anyway and some of us don't like breaking our warranty. Even if it's child's-play to return the phone back to stock settings and renew the warranty.
kbkrogs said:
Maybe free ram in android is wasted ram, but only if the ram is used for USEFUL apps. Samsung have made a lot of stupid apps run in the background at all time, like software update, Chaton, some clud service process, AllShare Service, and a lot more (google maps also run at any given time, eating 30 mb of ram).
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I've frozen all of these... 'Talkback, OTA Updates, Bluetooth (I never use it) as well as turned off NFC and a bunch of other things etc. etc. etc. I don't have that much running in the background but my phone still bounces between 330MBs (after killing everything) of free RAM and under >90. (2 mins later after everything has reloaded) To which it then starts throwing warnings and killing apps I need.
jbonetwo said:
If someone has 300MB free ram and is asking about freeing up more ram this makes sense.
If free ram is always <100mb then there's a memory management problem.
OP try disabling unused apps in the app manager, streamline startup apps and use gemini to turn off auto launching of unneeded apps.
On stock I used to have about 150-200MB free ram at boot. With CM9 and 10 i get 300-400MB free RAM at boot.
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^This. THANKYOU! Finally someone who didn't just read the tagline and post stupid retorts like "This isn't Windows" etc. I thought I was being plenty clear enough when I stated that the problem I was talking about was the fact that the phone goes from blisteringly fast, to painstakingly slow whilst browsing.
Disabling ALL addons (Javascript, Flash etc). from running while browsing stops this from happening 99.9% of the time. I also removed Tasker, much to my displeasure and froze a few more apps and it seems to happen less now but I'm still hovering around the 'workable' part of my phone. Which makes me feel a bit displeased because I didn't buy a phone to be limited by what I can do with it...
dfMails said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
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Thanks for being another jackass who posts unhelpful crap in threads without actually reading them at all. You might think you're doing people a favor but you're not, and if that's how you roll, then forums aren't the place for you.
KMino said:
Just freeze all of the bloatware. Install a good custom kernel (eg Siyah) and move on! No one to blame but yourself for not doing that or wanting to.
Android is doing its job just fine with memory. It's just bogged down by Samsung and vendor crapware.
Be lucky you ain't in the US, DHS big brother software becoming mandatory soon lol
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It's hard to freeze bloatware when you have a bunch of people posting in forums that they don't know half of what the apps on the SGS3 do and if they are safe to freeze or not. I've done some searches but it seems that most people are generally confused about what is safe or not to freeze. Same thing happened with the SGS2. When I got it I googled (and found this place) what I could freeze and found people nitpicking over what they should, and shouldn't freeze. I have frozen everything that I've found is safe to, from multiple threads on the forums here.
I'll go and read a thread though as to why it's a good idea to flash a new kernel. I'd rather not have any restrictions as it is anyway, so that will be my next step, thanks!
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Thanks a ton to anyone who gave me the time of day and didn't just slam up some copypaste drama that has nothing to do with this thread. Free RAM is wasted RAM but when there isn't enough free RAM that background apps start getting killed (and usually instantly reloaded) then it goes without saying phone gets slower, battery drains faster, performance loss etc.
Excuse my retarded attitude but this isn't even the 10th time here I've had to dodge people who just post crap without even reading anything, and then just move on and do the same thing over and over.
I'm going to flash a new kernel, cross my fingers and freeze a few more apps, turn plug-ins to 'on demand' and cross my fingers again.
Thanks again to everyone who really helped and peace. I added thanks to you guys.
leijonasisu said:
Thanks for being another jackass......""
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Thank you, the same to you!
jnr21 said:
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
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yeah. stop think like windows (even though windows 7 ram management is good). andoid load it's system/app in ram to provide faster response. but once you need it more, it will clear unused app to free more ram..not to worry about that..
ascariz said:
yeah. stop think like windows (even though windows 7 ram management is good). andoid load it's system/app in ram to provide faster response. but once you need it more, it will clear unused app to free more ram..not to worry about that..
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The problem begins when it start killing apps you are using instead of killing those bloated apps.
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Are you rooted?
If yes:
1 freeze all the bloatware
2 install v6supercharger and set lowmemorykiller values as low as possible
3 install hardswap script
4 you are done...
Now, make your own search, it is all in xda.
I gave you the hint, Nov it is up to you
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