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Just wondering something here. How many devices do you think Verizon is having to replace/refund/take back for light leakage, dust under the screen, broken volume rockers, sunk power buttons, etc etc etc? How much money is Verizon losing over replacements getting swapped, possibly running out of stock for new customers, and losing business because people get sick of trying to find one? Will it get to a point where vzw starts taking the issue up with HTC for loss of revenue? Or am I just thinking too much about it? I've personally swapped 2 devices. And do you think HTC will ever clean up their manufacturing so we don't keep having to accept devices with the least fault simply because a replacement might have worse problems?
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Honestly, this isn't anything new. HTC had this same issue with the EVO. Apple has had it with the iPhone, iPad and iPad2. Those are just the ones I've had personal relations with as I had the EVO, wife had the original iPad, and my niece has the iPad2. My coworkers had some of the issues you listed with their Droids. Nothing has changed and in my opinion, the profits companies make isn't comparable to what you think is a loss. Most consumers don't notice or care about the issue. If they do, their returned device gets sold, or given away, again as a refurbished phone.
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Yeah. I guess you're right. Its just unfortunate that it has come down to this. Do the evos still have the issues even brand new ones?
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The only issue I've noticed is a sunk power button. Which I don't mind since it makes it tougher to accidentally bump it while in the pocket. Plus my case helps too.
Hopefully it won't sink to the point it stops working.
The same day HTC rails on Verizon for crippling their operating system with bloatware...
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I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but most of these "issues" that people have been having are wayyyyy over blown. I mean light leakage? Really? people have nothing better to do than notice a tiny bit of light leakage? Yes, mine has it too, but I would have never noticed it if someone else on here hadn't mentioned it. Coming from a picky person, I don't say this lightly. But most of the things that people are whining about happen to just about every manufacturer of electronic devices.If you want build quality then find someone to build a 2k device. This is merely a situation of you get what you pay for. Personally, I love my phone, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I've had moto's, and nokias before. Their build quality is no better than HTC(actually Moto is much worse.). Last, paying attention to build quality issues on a message board is the same as working in a car dealer for brand X and saying that all brand X cars sucks because all you have are problems coming in on those cars. We are a very small subset of phone buyers and we will notice problems that MOST people won't.
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I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but most of these "issues" that people have been having are wayyyyy over blown. I mean light leakage? Really? people have nothing better to do than notice a tiny bit of light leakage? Yes, mine has it too, but I would have never noticed it if someone else on here hadn't mentioned it. Coming from a picky person, I don't say this lightly. But most of the things that people are whining about happen to just about every manufacturer of electronic devices.If you want build quality then find someone to build a 2k device. This is merely a situation of you get what you pay for. Personally, I love my phone, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I've had moto's, and nokias before. Their build quality is no better than HTC(actually Moto is much worse.). Last, paying attention to build quality issues on a message board is the same as working in a car dealer for brand X and saying that all brand X cars sucks because all you have are problems coming in on those cars. We are a very small subset of phone buyers and we will notice problems that MOST people won't.
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I have gotten a Thunderbolt with a blown out speaker and crooked kickstand and another with major light leakage. It was so bad it looked like there were 2 leds on the bottom of the soft buttons under the buttons. When trying to use your phone in the dark it is not acceptable and I don't blame people for being upset. If im going to shell out $600 or sign a contract for something it better not be flawed out of the box.
My phone is perfect. I might have a sunk power button but it was like that from the start so its all I knew!
Love this phone.
Not the best, but not bad
I understand that everyone wants their new $200+ phones to have been constructed to a dimension accuracy of a micron, but I guess its inevitable given the mass production process... I personally have really bad light leakage, but it doesn't really affect daily use so why make a big fuss over it? At least verizon is replacing them and not blaming us for "holding it wrong." Cough. Cough.
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I understand that everyone wants their new $200+ phones to have been constructed to a dimension accuracy of a micron, but I guess its inevitable given the mass production process... I personally have really bad light leakage, but it doesn't really affect daily use so why make a big fuss over it? At least verizon is replacing them and not blaming us for "holding it wrong." Cough. Cough.
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1454 said:
I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but most of these "issues" that people have been having are wayyyyy over blown. I mean light leakage? Really? people have nothing better to do than notice a tiny bit of light leakage? Yes, mine has it too, but I would have never noticed it if someone else on here hadn't mentioned it. Coming from a picky person, I don't say this lightly. But most of the things that people are whining about happen to just about every manufacturer of electronic devices.If you want build quality then find someone to build a 2k device. This is merely a situation of you get what you pay for. Personally, I love my phone, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else. I've had moto's, and nokias before. Their build quality is no better than HTC(actually Moto is much worse.). Last, paying attention to build quality issues on a message board is the same as working in a car dealer for brand X and saying that all brand X cars sucks because all you have are problems coming in on those cars. We are a very small subset of phone buyers and we will notice problems that MOST people won't.
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My first thunderbolt, the light leakage, was so bad you could see a steady line of light pouring out, forming a giant U from the bottom of the left side of the LCD, going all the way around to the bottom of the right side of the LCD, where the glass meets the bezel. I'm sorry, but when I'm paying 250 plus dollars for a flagship device, I expect a little quality control. These aren't things we should just have to expect and live with.
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I understand that everyone wants their new $200+ phones to have been constructed to a dimension accuracy of a micron, but I guess its inevitable given the mass production process... I personally have really bad light leakage, but it doesn't really affect daily use so why make a big fuss over it? At least verizon is replacing them and not blaming us for "holding it wrong." Cough. Cough.
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Exactly. At least our phones don't suffer from the death grip.
Then return it and get another one. With any electronic device you can expect a 10% or more defective rate. I'm not saying that none of the problems exist, but they exist with all phones, not just yours. You were just one of the "unlucky" 10% or so.
I'd love to get my hands on phone like the one Daniel Ocean's team procured to give to Willy Bank in Ocean's 13! Laser etched solid gold! Except Androidified! 4.3 inch shockproof screen and armed with a magnetron!
I swapped out today. It just seems unfortunate that issues like the light leakage (it may not be a big deal to some, but others it does matter) are something that people have come to expect and seem to have to live with. Especially when it seems like its as simple as the bottom of the screen not getting sealed as well as it should. Maybe I'm just picky, but ill keep taking phones back until I'm a satisfied customer.
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I swapped out today. It just seems unfortunate that issues like the light leakage (it may not be a big deal to some, but others it does matter) are something that people have come to expect and seem to have to live with. Especially when it seems like its as simple as the bottom of the screen not getting sealed as well as it should. Maybe I'm just picky, but ill keep taking phones back until I'm a satisfied customer.
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And that's fine, the customer should be satisfied. But, there are alternative methods out there to seal the phone from that light leakage. A very small bead of black silicon should do the trick. It just seems like people expect 1000+ dollar build quality from a few hundred dollar device. If you want to take the phone back 50 times, that is your choice. However, being picky is not a build quality issue.
That is fair. But if it comes down to me having to take it upon myself to seal the screen with a small bead of silicon, that, at least in my eyes, is a fix for a build quality issue. And you are right, there is a difference between a 250 dollar device and a 1000 dollar device. However what about the folks that paid full retail for their phone? 599 I think? Are they entitled to expect more from the same device simply cause they paid more? In the end of it all, I don't feel like I should need to add a bead of silicon to seal my screen when it should have been sealed in the first place.
A friend of mine got the TB, and right away noticed multiple specs of dust under his screen. And I'm not talking about 1, maybe 2, he had a dozen or so scattered under his screen. How is that not bad QC? I know we shouldn't expect every device to be flawless and never expect issues, but some stuff just seems like it is easily fixable, stuff that the evo faced a year ago. That the Eris faced 2 years ago. And it keeps recurring in their devices.
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I paid full retail fwiw.
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I'm not saying you're wrong at all, but I still feel like some of the things we have to live with, are things that we really shouldn't need to learn to live with. But how small of a bead of silicon were you thinking? I'm not taking this one back, there are only 3 small pinholes of light on the bottom.
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Hey people,
Maybe I need some one to talk me out of this, but some of these cons are out weighing the pros.
I love the screen size and front facing camera, I'm still in a 3g area so everything else is almost the same as the Inc, But here are my issues..
1) The Mic doesnt work when I place a call with the car stereo plugged into the Head phone jack, when I did get a Mic extention the quality of the call was really bad, My friend could hardly hear me. (This problem is the potential Deal breaker)
2) the ringer is really quiet, I missed a few calls where with the inc that woldn't have been a problem.
3) the Screen Cast only displays my creen I cannot interact with it using the mouse (I did Root the Phone using the ADB method)
4) I lost my hacked Hulu App (Great on long car trips)
5) I like the kick stand but why does it cover the speakers? (Refer to Item 2)
6) there isn't any noticible difference in speed or battery life.
I hope I'm not bumming anyone out, cos the the android is amazing for all intents and purposes, I just feeling a bit like I blew $250 for a really minor upgrade to the inc with a few extra drawbacks.
Thoughts?
No offense, but these posts are annoying, it's your decision, its your phone. If you don't feel its worth it, go back. You should have done your research, we all knew it would be like a giant incredible, just little faster and bigger, and that's exactly what it is. Now that i play with my wife's incredible, it feels like a toy now next to the Thunderbold, it feels so much cheaper, and god does the screen look small now.
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No offense, but these posts are annoying, it's your decision, its your phone. If you don't feel its worth it, go back. You should have done your research, we all knew it would be like a giant incredible, just little faster and bigger, and that's exactly what it is. Now that i play with my wife's incredible, it feels like a toy now next to the Thunderbold, it feels so much cheaper, and god does the screen look small now.
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Edit: If you really aren't happy with it, put it on eBay/Craigslist/xda market for $450+ dollars. Profit made, no harm done.
Who would of thought people would be leaving the Incredible HD to go back to the normal one?
If you really feel that way just return it. You shouldn't feel compelled to keep it or feel bad. Later if you feel differently buy it again. I too felt bad about leaving tmobile but this network is much better.
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Hey people,
Maybe I need some one to talk me out of this, but some of these cons are out weighing the pros.
I love the screen size and front facing camera, I'm still in a 3g area so everything else is almost the same as the Inc, But here are my issues..
1) The Mic doesnt work when I place a call with the car stereo plugged into the Head phone jack, when I did get a Mic extention the quality of the call was really bad, My friend could hardly hear me. (This problem is the potential Deal breaker)
2) the ringer is really quiet, I missed a few calls where with the inc that woldn't have been a problem.
3) the Screen Cast only displays my creen I cannot interact with it using the mouse (I did Root the Phone using the ADB method)
4) I lost my hacked Hulu App (Great on long car trips)
5) I like the kick stand but why does it cover the speakers? (Refer to Item 2)
6) there isn't any noticible difference in speed or battery life.
I hope I'm not bumming anyone out, cos the the android is amazing for all intents and purposes, I just feeling a bit like I blew $250 for a really minor upgrade to the inc with a few extra drawbacks.
Thoughts?
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You have 14 days, stop complaining about how you don't like a phone, on a message board for said phone, and take it back then...
I apologise if I came off as whining about the TB, I didn't mean to annoy anyone..
Like I said the Android is fantastic and I honestly do love the phone, I suppose I'm looking for some reasurance that these issues that have been talked about for the most part are going to be addressed/Fixed..
I paid 175 and I love it verizon even waved my 35 dollar activation fee.
I played with every phone I could get my hands on and I like this one best.
The couple other phones I did actually buy and went into contract with were promptly returned without regret.
I'm still on my nexus one and can't find anything I feel is better than it. I've been very close to buying the inspire multiple times now. Your incredible is basically a nexus one.
Might look into a hearing aid? My ringer is loud as hell.
Mic should be patched this month. Ringer is loud as bell for me. Your volume up? I thought I read hulu app is working. No idea about screencast. Bottom line: these are all software issue, which get fixed.
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^ this or There and Back Again
If you're looking for someone to talk you out of it, I doubt you'll find anyone that will. It's your phone, if you like it, keep it, if you don't, send it back. Very cut and dry.
I've been in several discussions with users that have come from (or previously owned) the 5 inch HTC Advantage. I see Dell Streak users have a thread to compare/contrast to the Note, so I thought I would do the same for the Advantage. This may help some to decide to move from the Advantage to the Note - or not.
For those that don't know what the Advantage is, it came out 5 years ago - the first phone with a 5" screen. It also included a detachable keyboard, stereo speakers, video port, stylus/pen, and a 8 GB hard drive when most SD cards at the time were below 2 GB. It had its problems, too. Since it was so far ahead of its time it was fairly bulky and heavy even with the keyboard removed. It didn't have a private speaker for phone calls. It had room for a vibration motor internally but it was never implemented even in later models, presumably because it caused problems with the hard drive. The other references in the thread title are the development name, and model names/numbers used by various carriers. Here is the XDA forum for the Advantage: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=351
My personal reaction, as I've told several already, is the Note is by far a better phone. Physical stats, operating system, having things like a private speaker and vibration which the Advantage should have had, all add up. Not to mention that the Note costs 1/3 of what the Advantage did so you have far less to loose. The Note/Android has its deficiencies. I've had to install a half-dozen apps to add features which were built into Windows Mobile - things like incremental ring volume, ability to get more than a single system notification for things like texts and calendar appointments (miss the first one and you've missed your appointment!), or keeping the screen from timing out when it is plugged in or for specific apps. But at least you can extend/improve the OS with apps without unlocking/rooting or flashing to a whole new OS. Which many Advantage owners did including me.
All that said, the Advantage held a special place in my heart. In the 4 1/2 years I used mine, I often told my wife it was the best gadget I had ever owned and I meant it. Which is saying a lot with all the gadgets and computers I've owned since 1984. But the Note is so good that if IT had come out 5 years ago, I'm sure I would be saying the same thing about it right now. Buy one.
I have a x7501 for a few years, but haven't been actively using it in the last few years also (went to iPhone, Android etc). I am interested in the Note, but haven't decided to get one yet.
But I think one fundamental difference is that the Athena is a keyboarded device (you can use it without, but you also loose the stand at the same time). Its stereo speakers and other positioning makes it a mainly landscape orientation device.
I really don't care about its thickness, it's not that bad. It is a bit thick w/ its leather case, but it does that to any other devices anyway.
What I don't like about the Athena: battery life, speed (I'm shocked reviews that said it's fast), photo taken with camera (rear) has off (red) colour (no ROM can fix that). Especially the last piece, it's unforgivable for a $1,500. USD product! The 8GB HDD is both slow, and battery eating, and cannot be turned off.
I just can't say I like it as much as some of you do. I don't hate it, but I don't think it was worth the $1,000. I paid for. If I had paid $1,500. then, I'd have sued them (just kidding).
I lugged the keyboard around for 1 1/2 years, but finally left it on my work desk permanently. Only used it there when I was streaming XM.
I never had a problem with battery life, it would last me much longer than the 12 hours I would go between unplugging in the morning and plugging it back in when I got home. Never had a problem with the camera, either. Good colors all around, not that the quality was that great.
I think you'll like the Note, all the advantages (pun intended) of the 7501 and none of its problems. After you add some apps to tweak the downfalls of the OS.
i'm one, see my siggie
i've had still have that gigantic heavy monstrous HTC 5" for the longest time
still trying to get Android installed on it someday
I had the x7501, then the x7510, and the note is 1/2 as thick, has a "phone" speaker, and besides all of the obvious spec advantages, is lighter and easier to hold. The screen is far more responsive than the old tft pressure technology without the inaccuracy of the iphone/android capacitive blunt-object to write/draw with issue.
all thumbs up for the note... though the Advantage was WAY ahead of its time.
I don't understand these threads. I get that the advantage was way ahead of its time, but it's 5 years old. 5! Would anyone seriously pick the advantage over the note?
I sold my x7501 long ago. Good times, lol.
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I don't understand these threads. I get that the advantage was way ahead of its time, but it's 5 years old. 5! Would anyone seriously pick the advantage over the note?
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This isn't about keeping the Advantage. Its about comparing one to the other for those that are familiar with the Advantage and loved all of its features.
I think it is not about keeping the Advantage / Athena, may be it's partly nostalgia, partly comparing what's missing on current devices (bad things are not missed, I'm talking about things that users might like or prefer):
1. Stereo speakers. How hard can that be? But so far, iPhone doesn't have it, none of my Android phones up to 4.65" have it, my Tablet P by Sony has a tiny mono speaker. Only the Playbook (once had, now sold), and the Samsung Q1 have stereo speakers and good sound.
2. The metal case has pros and cons. It can get dented and discolouring when bumped / scratched, but it made it more sturdy as it is metal. But at least it is unique, and also makes it feel more premium (until it gets dented, like mine, from dropping, that is). Now everything besides iPhones are just plastics.
3. Magnetic keyboard. Now, no more, never seen and all give way to on screen ones, except a few. But those few, including Blackberry, do not want to do a magnetic keyboard, may be it's the cost, or fear of bad contacts. But again, this is very unique and hasn't been replicated. The see thru window to mimic the status bar on it makes it even cooler.
4. External connections for: USB host (only very lately, there are USB OTG for Android devices, before this, support was very poor, mostly only HID stuff), VGA out, cellular antenna, GPS antenna. Granted, the last 3 are not as needed today, and some Android devices have HDMI outputs that replace VGA more or less.
right now, few Android phones can stand on a desk unless with a kick stand case (which is usually the kind I buy, as I want it stand similar to what Advantage can do w/ the keyboard).
I think some clamshell MIDs like UMID / Viliv had come close to the design of Advantage but physically not as cool, no magnetic keyboard etc.
I guess the problem with modern design is that nobody would make a $1,500. device unless it is for industrial or military use, so they have to save cost and won't engage in fancy design and materials. In the case for Advantage, it's HTC flagship product, so they went all out.
Looking at current HTC products now, there aren't anything really special (I'm talking strictly from the physical point of view, since operating systems are all the same across the manufacturers anyway).
People are often amazed when I tell them that the Note is my third 5" phone. I loved the Advantage and the Dell Streak I had before the Note. No way I can go to a smaller screen. Very happy that the rest of the world is catching on to the benefits of a large screen device. And there are things I miss from Windows Mobile. I found it easier to flash ROMs and change the look and feel of the device.
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I just figured I'd make this to get a sense of other people's experience in this regard. This is my first HTC phone after three Samsungs in a row so I don't really know what to expect, in addition I understand the risks of being an early adopter.
My phone doesn't have any scratches or discoloration as I've seen mentioned elsewhere. However I have noticed that the top and bottom edges of the screen are not flush with the pieces used for the speaker grilles, to the point where I can feel the edge of the glass swiping down. Also, I didn't have much chance to look at it before the SD card was inserted, but tray for it does not fit perfectly flush with the outside of the phone once it's in. Minor gripes, otherwise this is the best phone I've owned and has no functional issues. I was just wondering whether this is within spec and just something people accept, or whether this one is worth replacing while I can still do it.
Any feedback is appreciated.
Mine has the same issue with the speaker grill at the top. I can push it down and it'll stay flush for 12 hours or so before I have to do it again. I don't know if I care enough or not to have it exchanged.
Tipo, these minor issues seem typical with HTC phones but fortunately in my case they don't affect function. My first HTC One M7 was a stealth black version and there were two visible areas on the lower speaker grill where I could see they applied some black touch up paint to cover up what were probably nicks that occurred sometime during assembly. it was a shame and i noticed them right away because I happened to be outside when the phone arrived and I opened it up in my screened patio. the sun's light made the paint more visible because indoors it wasn't noticable. Not a big deal because they were so small. I still have the phone today and it works as well as day one.
My second One was an M8 that I received earlier in the week. I noticed the volume rocker didn't sit parallel to the side of the phone and also the top and bottom speaker grills didn't sit flush with the phone. Not a big deal to me but when i made my first call, using speaker phone, the top speaker made a loud electrical crackling sound on every ring. Then when people were speaking, that same top speaker would emit the same crackling sound. I could avoid it by turning the volume down to about 75% but then it was a bit harder to hear. I took it to the AT&T store, tested their display unit and found that the display unit didn't do that. Store manager listened and agreed it was definitely a defect.
Today I received my replacement M8 and the speakers work fine. Fit and finish? Top grill is perfectly flush, bottom grill not flush. Power button is flush on it's right side and sits at proper height on the left side (which is where the IR blaster is.) Because of my experience with my other HTCs I'm keeping this one unless some other functional defect comes up which I'm not expecting. Years ago this may have bothered me but now I appreciate the function of a device much more than it's actual form..but of course I still appreciate form else I wouldn't have gone with the M8. Plus I'll likely put this in a case since I expect to keep it for a long time.
Sad to hear that this can still be happening. I had three m7s with fit finish issues.
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Sad to hear that this can still be happening. I had three m7s with fit finish issues.
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Yes I agree that it is sad but only because they are marketing these phones to people who care about quality. I admire HTC's efforts in designing and building something high quality because from my limited experience the only other manufacturers who care about this are Sony and Apple. Don't get me wrong, I think pretty much all smartphones are very good smartphones these days much like cars. But when we talk about a premium products some of there are two types of buyers: a) those who buy this stuff to show off but don't really know why it's better than more pedestrian competition and likely wouldn't use these products to their potential and b) those who demand premium build because of their discerning taste and requirement for a certain level of performance/durability. Nothing wrong with being in either camp but folks in category b may end up disappointed with some of these little quality issues in the M8 that the folks in category a would never notice or care about.
Before my M7, which was my first anroid device, I owned two iPhones and before that a Samsung Blackjack. There were no cosmetic defects or blemishes with any of those handsets, including the 3 iphones that my wife and daughter purchased as well. Sure it's a small sample but the build quality and consistency was second to none with those handsets, even though I wouldn't consider the Blackjack a premium product.
Enjoy your M8s people, they're fantastic phones and I feel a worthy upgrade to the M7. The swiping gestures alone seem worth jumping to the M8.
This is a PSA for anyone who uses their HTC 10 on a car, truck, motorcycle, or any place where there is vibration. Some part of the camera mechanism (the camera, laser sensor, or something else) fails after being used around a lot of vibration. The front camera is fine, and I've removed the gel cover/protector and cleaned all the surfaces. I don't use the camera a lot, so it's not from overuse.
The image shown on the screen is what you would see if you taped it to the shaking machine used at paint stores. There is an audible vibrating sound and feeling from the top of the phone by the camera and not from the bottom where the real vibration unit is.
This is now the second phone that has died like this. I did some research and this has happened to other HTC phones. Such a disappointment that they didn’t test the device thoroughly enough. It's still basically new, so I'm not taking it apart to see what's going on inside. I'll take it back to Verizon and demand a new unit on the spot and not have to wait for another remanufactured POS to be sent.
LOL..umm..yeah.I believe this phone also fails if used under water, near molten lava, and will succumb to repeated hammer abuse.lol
Though I agree with you that if there's a failure while using it on a motorcycle mount it certainly deserves a warranty replacement...I don't think taping it to a mechanical paint can shaker can be used as evidence of a design defect. No normal person uses their phone taped to a paint shaker.
I may be wrong, but I imagine that scenario causing WAY more vibration than using it on a motorcycle phone mount.
This is totally the ois. Optical image stabilization uses very small motor movements of the optical assembly to maintain focus. Understandable it has a limit and can be hosed by excessive vibration. Also very possible that the op had a defective one. Read up on the iPhone 6+ and their ois failures that affected a large number of phones.
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I've used 4 phones on a motorcycle mount and the 10 is the only device to fail twice.
The paint shaker was an example of what the screen shows after failing, not as an example of a clearly abusive use case. Sarcasm and no contribution to the dialog really doesn’t help.
The knowledge of cameras and the ois is helpful; thank you for providing a beneficial reference for more reading.
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I've used 4 phones on a motorcycle mount and the 10 is the only device to fail twice.
The paint shaker was an example of what the screen shows after failing, not as an example of a clearly abusive use case. Sarcasm and no contribution to the dialog really doesn’t help.
The knowledge of cameras and the ois is helpful; thank you for providing a beneficial reference for more reading.
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True...I apologize for the sarcasm...and dottat is on point as always. But your initial post when literally read didn't say your phone camera failed due to your use of it on a motorcycle/truck/car mount...you simply issued a warning for those who might use it in that manner and about using it around a lot of vibration based on your tests of it failing on a paint shaker...lol
From the initial read of your post I took it as you were crying wolf which is even less useful than funny sarcasm in the world.
But I will certainly refrain from using it this way in my car and stick with hot spotting my 10 and let my M8 or ipad mini take the abuse while Wazing etc.
Handshake. I'll own that I was vague on the specific use case because of what my ex-wife would call paranoia that my carrier was watching the posts and deny claims to any moron using a paint mixing machine on his motorcycle
Perhaps some levity... ever wonder what would happen to that mounted phone if the wind force also identified a weak connection between the backplate and top of the mount "pole"? Never happened to me, but do the math on that one.
I solved the camera problem and did the math on the phone flying off the bike at California highway speeds last night in 3 words "there it goes..."
The camera got fixed by a new phone being ordered through Asurion, and the math is $150 (insurance deductible) + $100 for new SanDisk Extreme Plus 128gb SD card + $40 for my third Sunshine mailing + $60 for a new cradle, gummy body shell, and TechGlass Skinomi screen protector. $340 is the answer. Oh, add several hours to figure out how to dampen vibrations.
Until then, it's back to the best phone I've had in years and still like better than the 10, the G3. If LG makes a new version later this year that's close and gets unlocked, the 10 will be gone in minutes. Oh, the camera works fine on the G3 with 10k miles on it.
jimbob_sf said:
I solved the camera problem and did the math on the phone flying off the bike at California highway speeds last night in 3 words "there it goes..."
The camera got fixed by a new phone being ordered through Asurion, and the math is $150 (insurance deductible) + $100 for new SanDisk Extreme Plus 128gb SD card + $40 for my third Sunshine mailing + $60 for a new cradle, gummy body shell, and TechGlass Skinomi screen protector. $340 is the answer. Oh, add several hours to figure out how to dampen vibrations.
Until then, it's back to the best phone I've had in years and still like better than the 10, the G3. If LG makes a new version later this year that's close and gets unlocked, the 10 will be gone in minutes. Oh, the camera works fine on the G3 with 10k miles on it.
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Sunshine no longer requires mail in. Why not just warranty it through HTC for free? They have an advanced replacement option.
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It's a direct from Verizon phone. They were giving $300 in discounts and free anything in the store so I got it from them.
Great to know Sunshine got Verizon versions into the app. That team isn't just guru developers, they are amazingly cool and supportive folks. JCase went well beyond the call to help me.
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It's a direct from Verizon phone. They were giving $300 in discounts and free anything in the store so I got it from them.
Great to know Sunshine got Verizon versions into the app. That team isn't just guru developers, they are amazingly cool and supportive folks. JCase went well beyond the call to help me.
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OK. You got me confused because it sounded like you paid for a warranty phone through assurion on a phone HTC should have warranted.
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Sorry for the wording. I'm looking forward to getting the 10 now because it's sound and processing power are great. I do have to say my G3 is still my favorite and I tried Fulmics rom and it's an amazing piece of work. If LeeDroid, Viper, or another builds such an amazing version of the stock rom, the 10 will be unbelievably good. I'll stop now because I'm guilty of taking this way off topic.
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Sorry for the wording. I'm looking forward to getting the 10 now because it's sound and processing power are great. I do have to say my G3 is still my favorite and I tried Fulmics rom and it's an amazing piece of work. If LeeDroid, Viper, or another builds such an amazing version of the stock rom, the 10 will be unbelievably good. I'll stop now because I'm guilty of taking this way off topic.
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You can get Leedroid over in the regular HTC 10 forum. His rom will flash to Verizon. The last time I flashed it though there was a data roaming bug if your phone was on 3g.
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The new 10 is up and running. I am getting a fixed mount that will eliminate the "how about a new phone right NOW" problem. I'm researching a different cradle that has equal holding grip and also some damping capability. The motorcycle forums cover that topic. The hardware version is still 0001 (after 3 of them).
The camera on phone #3 is broken after just 2 days of commuting with it in my jacket which is the equivalent of a what someone who rides a bicycle would do. I don't care what anyone says, this phone has inferior camera sensors. If you have an active lifestyle, stay away. I so want it to work, but after 3 phones, it has proven my original statement.
As soon as an equivalent phone hits the market and is unlocked/rooted, I'm jumping ship.
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The camera on phone #3 is broken after just 2 days of commuting with it in my jacket which is the equivalent of a what someone who rides a bicycle would do. I don't care what anyone says, this phone has inferior camera sensors. If you have an active lifestyle, stay away. I so want it to work, but after 3 phones, it has proven my original statement.
As soon as an equivalent phone hits the market and is unlocked/rooted, I'm jumping ship.
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Don't get a phone with ois. Something you are doing doesn't agree with it. Hell I fly airplanes and film video while in them with my phone and still am on phone number 1. I run half marathons with the thing in a pouch with sweat all over it and no problems.
Whatever you are doing is pissing off ois something crazy.
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No argument, this is is a pocket only device for me. Easy to Hotspot to the 4 bulletproof Flo's I have.
I had a long conversation with my carrier yesterday and I'm being sent a new one as a mfg defect (fact, not opinion). Again, not arguing I need to treat this phone more carefully, but my problem was not the first. Out of respect for the positive discussion here, I'll just say I hope HTC is able to make a firmware or hardware revision to reduce the chances of this particular issue.
I've always liked HTC and there is some of the best and brightest Android minds doing awesome work on this phone and I don't want to discourage anyone from jumping on board.
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No argument, this is is a pocket only device for me. Easy to Hotspot to the 4 bulletproof Flo's I have.
I had a long conversation with my carrier yesterday and I'm being sent a new one as a mfg defect (fact, not opinion). Again, not arguing I need to treat this phone more carefully, but my problem was not the first. Out of respect for the positive discussion here, I'll just say I hope HTC is able to make a firmware or hardware revision to reduce the chances of this particular issue.
I've always liked HTC and there is some of the best and brightest Android minds doing awesome work on this phone and I don't want to discourage anyone from jumping on board.
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Oh yeah that's very possible you are hitting it just the right way. My only point was it doesn't agree with you at this time. I would be curious if the inbound update works any better.
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New phone was a new, in box model, but the build still says 0001, so HTC is still on the first parts build (I'd that field in settings is accurate).
I ordered mounting hardware from Adaptive Technologies because they were the only company who marketed specific vibration reduction design. We'll see.
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New phone was a new, in box model, but the build still says 0001, so HTC is still on the first parts build (I'd that field in settings is accurate).
I ordered mounting hardware from Adaptive Technologies because they were the only company who marketed specific vibration reduction design. We'll see.
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The funny thing is they don't really increment the hardware version even if they use different displays etc. I wouldn't put much weight in that number at all.
Thanks for this thread. I am a new motorcycle rider and my HTC 10 lasted about 4 months of motorcycle riding. I replaced it because it has a battery issue and a broken vibrate motor. My new 10 lasted about a month of motorcycle use. I thought it was a software or firmware issue.
Here is a video link of what the camera does. After the pics fails.
If anybody knows how to disable ois I would loo very to hear it.