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Is it me or does our camcorder suck?? I recorded my dog in the house blinds were open and everything so I can have light in the house but my video still came out dark which is crazy really starting to think our camera is wack I love the phone don't get me wrong but I'm considering trading it in I mean its like I have to be outside to get decent quality....in the daytime anyway
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You forgot to turn on the camera light.
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You forgot to turn on the camera light.
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But it was light in my house tho open blinds and everything.....
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Maybe too much light or cam was pointing the bright areas. All cameras will do this. The shutter is taking in all that light.
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Maybe too much light or cam was pointing the bright areas. All cameras will do this. The shutter is taking in all that light.
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Ok ill do a couple more test then
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I'm a professional video producer and hobby photographer. I haven't tested the Evo 3D's camera for video yet, but the problem you described is common in all auto cameras.
When a camera is automatically adjusting exposure, shutter, iso, etc. it adjusts for the brightest dominant subject in frame. The camera thinks you want everything perfectly exposed and is programmed not to blow out the highlights. So, what happens is it sees the bright window and thinks "ok, lets expose to that so it isn't a white blob." If you want to avoid this type of thing, lighting has to be as even as possible to the windows (which is almost always impossible) or you frame your subject without the window in the background. You also avoid this by using manual exposure settings, but I'm not sure how much control you'll have on the E3D.
What I would be weary of is the bitrate the E3D records video at. HD is only a resolution, but if it's a crappy bitrate, the video will look like crap. If you're not familiar with that, search youtube for some sample clips of videos in different bitrates. This probably can't be adjusted in the settings, but might be adjusted with some development if this is lacking. I remember when I was on my Samsung Moment which was android 2.1, that was adjusted in the build.prop but I don't know if that's the same here.
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Some examples of what I described -
Bitrate comparrisons:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xNG6gw4cxU
Some background to the above clip, this is testing the Q scale of a hacked firmware for a DSLR. The Q scale is just the piece of the firmware that controls the video compression/bitrate. The lower it is set, the higher the bitrate it uses. He starts at about a 44Mbps bitrate in the above video and moves down to about 10Mbps or lower. I'd be surprised if the E3D records even 2 or 3 Mbps. But if you jump from the beginning to about 1 min 30 sec. you can see the difference more. Watching it through, the changes are so subtle you might not notice much.
Couldn't find a video to demonstrate, but this forum post about the subject might help:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7594_102-282799.html
@GK1984 THANKS A LOT your info makes sense even tho imo my EVO 3d camera is kinda wack ....specially in low light
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Chauleyboii said:
@GK1984 THANKS A LOT your info makes sense even tho imo my EVO 3d camera is kinda wack ....specially in low light
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No problem. There's a lot to factor into better low-light picture. The tiny lens on mobile phones doesn't help. The new Mytouch HTC just released this summer has a back-lit sensor which lets more light hit the sensor, for example (the sensor is built backwards so the wiring is behind it - in a nut-shell). It's like a "duh" technology but JUST emerged recently. A lot of cameras compensate by adjusting the ISO (digital equivalent to film speed or sensitivity to light) but that causes more noise/fuzz to appear. You may want to try that though if you can for video, I know you can on photos. But feel free to ask me anything about video or photography and I'll do my best to respond. I don't sign in to XDA often, but I'd be glad to exchange emails or something.
Turn up the exposure, under image adjustments.
Does wonders for me.
Noiro said:
Turn up the exposure, under image adjustments.
Does wonders for me.
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I did I mess with all the settings .....stop not satisfied lol .....just think HTC could if done better I know back in the day BAKED SNACK would tweak the camera and camcorder to make it better....just hope eventually the devs will do the same
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That's the only settings change I would make to get the best results, aside from dancing with a higher ISO... I keep it at max on both the camera & camcorder.
Noiro said:
That's the only settings change I would make to get the best results, aside from dancing with a higher ISO... I keep it at max on both the camera & camcorder.
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Gotcha
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Hey guys I was testing our 1080 p and noticed that our camera was horrible when looking at things with lights like a TV screen or something you really couldn't see anything on there it just looked very bright. It happens when your filming people and there's a light in the background also it just shows up as a huge glare and its horrible. It's on all roms and I think its just the camera in general. My friend also has this phone and I tested it and it resulted in the same thing. Light sources are being shown to much I guess and trust me it's horrible to try and show off your phone and claiming to have one of the best phones in the world and your camera 1080p is filming horribly. It's retarded as hell and up until this discovery I've had no complaints about this phone. So my question is what can we do to fix this. I've tried lowering the EV Control to negative 2 and it still gave the glare. Do we have to wait for an update to fix this problem or what.
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are you on stock or custom rom? i am on unnamed v2.2.1 and having 'continous autofocus' issue during 1080p shooting that makes the video blurry and sticky.i have posted this in unnamed dev forum.
meanwhile, as a workaround i use 720p mode that somehow makes video kinda okay.
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rav4kar said:
are you on stock or custom rom? i am on unnamed v2.2.1 and having 'continous autofocus' issue during 1080p shooting that makes the video blurry and sticky.i have posted this in unnamed dev forum.
meanwhile, as a workaround i use 720p mode that somehow makes video kinda okay.
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It happens on both and its horrible. I should be able to use the features I was promised without trouble
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Anybody
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This problem can not be fixed.
The detector has a limited dynamic range- smaller pixels have lower dynamic range. The lens needs to be small, otherwise the device isn't pocket friendly. Lens size must be matched to pixel size, so even if a manufacturer wanted to include a high dynamic range imager in a cellphone, size-constraints make it unlikely.
It isn't realistic to expect a phone camera to compare in quality to a dedicated (and larger device) camera.
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This problem can not be fixed.
The detector has a limited dynamic range- smaller pixels have lower dynamic range. The lens needs to be small, otherwise the device isn't pocket friendly. Lens size must be matched to pixel size, so even if a manufacturer wanted to include a high dynamic range imager in a cellphone, size-constraints make it unlikely.
It isn't realistic to expect a phone camera to compare in quality to a dedicated (and larger device) camera.
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That's not relevant at all. There are multiple phones that have great cameras such as the Xperia arc. And I expect a device that outperforms others. That's why I bought this phone. And even my old Xperia x10 camera was able to cover white balance a lot better in certain areas. Our camera should be better. It takes great still shots but horrible video in lighted areas I guess. It doesn't make sense.
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If someone could modify the Camera to accept tap to focus and exposure in video mode it would be perfect. That's what the issue is. However, I notice that during recording it is a LOT better than what it is when you just set video mode and look at it.
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If someone could modify the Camera to accept tap to focus and exposure in video mode it would be perfect. That's what the issue is. However, I notice that during recording it is a LOT better than what it is when you just set video mode and look at it.
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I just don't get how we have one of the greatest cameras and it does this bad with white balance. And yes I noticed the recording thing too
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I bought 3 notes on sunday, one for myself, my wife and my dad, so I noticed that gray banding and pixelation when playing certain videos. So I set all 3 phones to the same Vevo video (kanye west and jay z) and its a good video to try cause it has lots of black and gray,same brightness on all phones and everything else the same,,,,and bam both my wifes and dads phone it was non existent and mine was a disaster......I couldnt whip out the box and receipt fast enough. Gonna swap it for another and hopefully all will be ok.......I wouldnt have known unless I had those other phones to directly compare, so to all of you out there maybe you need to swap yours as well.....
Can you provide a source and name for the video?
Not sure I know what you mean by source, but I downloaded the Vevo app which plays music videos at High Quality and the vid "N***** in Paris" by Kanye/Jay -Z set to high quality, brightness set to 50 percent. You could see banding on the right side during the very first few seconds of the vid and then on the bottom along the main part.....the bottom of the screen became all pixelated with the very deep blacks on my phone and the 2 others next to mine were fine.....
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Can you provide a source and name for the video?
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He is seeing the same thing I've been seeing and trying to explain.
Here is my source go to veetle.com, and scroll down to a movie channel, one called movies 2012 or something like that. And make it full screen and watch carefully at the dark areas. It is definite banding but I think all the note displays will do this for now but the user is saying the other 2 phones arent doing this. I have a new one waiting for me tomorrow that I will compare this note with to see, hopefully the one I get tomorrow doesnt do this as thats the one I'm keeping for now.
Yep exactly, my wifes phone and dads werent doing it, my phone was atrocious, so I am gonna bring it back and exchange it. Luckily I had to to sit with and make sure all the setting were the same and play things at the same exact time.
That vevo app stinks for me though. Try watching the same video on youtube with hq selected, will probably look better. Yea for me looks much better on youtube, which vevo posted btw. I see minor banding and macroblocking but for a video that warns you about causing possible seizures lol thats minor stuff or expected on the display.
irregardless of where I watch it though why would my wifes phone and my dads look perfect under then same exact conditions on the same app?.....thats the reason why I am exchanging mine.
hey check this video i just made it i play the video you say but on browser on youtube desktop mode not mobile on 720 p http://youtu.be/gTxi_pOzNxA
plays like a charm for me vevo and youtube app plays the videos not so clear so test directly on browser using flash
I am thinking about returning mine after seeing u r post.
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irregardless of where I watch it though why would my wifes phone and my dads look perfect under then same exact conditions on the same app?.....thats the reason why I am exchanging mine.
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One or two settings must have been different.
Check the auto-power LCD settings, screen mode, power savings settings, etc.
While it's true that each screen is calibrated slightly different, the difference should not be so huge. I would imagine that the calibration is relatively identical across the screens or within a certain standard of error.
Also,l I would suggest you try and record all three in action to get a more objective view as I would imagine trying to simultaneously analyze 3 5.3" screens to be fairly difficult and might be subject to bias, etc.
DId you install other apps as well? Screen adjuster, etc?
The higher the base-brightness, the better the appearance of a temporary "band-aid" fix as it masks the problem by not having the phone attempt to render to lower black levels.
I think its the video. It's very pixelated. The more detail and shifting images on the screen per second, the more the compression is noticeable.
I would suggesting downloading a 720p video and test your screen then.
Absolutely everything about all 3 phones was exact....playing the same video....same screen settings....everything identical.....which is why I know my phone is having some problem with pixelation......at least until I exchange it tomorrow.....8)
There must be a newer codec or something on some of the phones. Heres my experience, Right at the begining scene where it says Kanye and the Jay, with people dancing in the letters on a black background.
1) Dolphin Browser-Declined to open in youtube, hit full screen within the embeded video. Put it up to 1080p, video studders and the black is greyish and to the right of the word JAY banding and bleeding.
2) Went to Vevo website(In dolphin), no way to pick video setting, same grey/banging and bleeding to the right.
3) Went to Vevo website in stock browser. Video choppy and froze phone.
4) Downloaded vevo app. Put on High quality still banding.
5)Loaded 1080p in native Youtube app, perfect Blacks and NO BANDING or BLEEDING!
Doesnt look that great on my 23"lcd either!
Whats the deal here guys? Sounds like the browers either have older codec that dont work so well with HQ video(they were studdering, lots of macroblocking) and th eYoutube app has newer ones as it plays silky smooth.
THough ive noticed with alot of the video on the web on this fone, maybe its because its mobile versions, the quality ranges dramatically. It may be that we have such a high res, the videos look worse than they would on most 800x400 android phones.
Most the videos have to be compressed anyway, even the video in the YT app had some slight macrobocking.
Now the one you returned, was the screen on the yellowish white and saturated red side? My whites are "warm" as opposed to "cool", save for some viewing angles. Turning up the brightness makes red too saturated, the mario brothers vs wright bros they look red/orange on full brighness, even on lowest still more than I would like.
I know every phone is diff. I had got a replacement Sayno and my whites went from cool to warm, same phone. Also, some people dont know how to shoot video, compress it or just have bad equipment or taste in editing.
hmm
How exactly did you load 1080P in the YouTube app? I must be missing something because my only options for that particular music video are HQ and nonHQ. Please share with an admitted Android noob.
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How exactly did you load 1080P in the YouTube app? I must be missing something because my only options for that particular music video are HQ and nonHQ. Please share with an admitted Android noob.
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I think he's talking about the browser YouTube. It has 480/720/1080..
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I think he's talking about the browser YouTube. It has 480/720/1080..
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Thanks, that makes much more sense. I ended up testing that same video in 720P on the browser YouTube and the difference is night & day compared to the YouTube app's HQ version. Browser YouTube shows the video crystal clear!
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How exactly did you load 1080P in the YouTube app? I must be missing something because my only options for that particular music video are HQ and nonHQ. Please share with an admitted Android noob.
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Just download TubeMate from the Amazon app store. You can download and save any YouTube clip you want in the highest format possible. When I downloaded some 1980p and 720p videos I didn't notice any weird distortion etc.
I had a similar issue the other day, and after reading this thread I decided to load up the video I had the problem with. The video was the latest Game of Thrones season 2 trailer, it has alot of light and dark areas with alot of shades of gray moving around.
So two days ago the video was unwatchable, and now it looks fine. I wish I knew what was going on. I'm off to work now, tonight I will investigate further, play with some settings etc.
I downloaded the jay z kanye video using tubemate and it still showed blocking when watched in dark room.
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How can you tell if your phone does this? Can someone explain to me what it looks like
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Ok, So the stock camera app isn't that great. Can anyone recommend a good camera app specifically for capturing text(or maybe settings)? not worried about OCR, just want the text to come out clear.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
I love the stock app but it's not for everyone. Best app in the market is Camera Zoom fx. Used it on my Captivate after going to CyanogenMod as the vanilla android camera sucks imo. It is a paid app and I'm not sure how much it costs as I got mine from the 10 cent sale in December
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Ok, thanks, il give it a look tomorrow. Any more suggestions are welcome.
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it works great on the flyer too. Used it on Gumbys desensified rom too as I didn't care for the aosp camera. One thing though if you want wide screen with zoom fx, 3.2mp is as high as you can go, where the htc app will go all the way to 5
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Thanks alot, Camera Zoom FX works pretty good for text, appreciate the help, thank you
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Thanks alot, Camera Zoom FX works pretty good for text, appreciate the help, thank you
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I think the HTC camera app is quite good , but it depends on exactly what you are trying to do, which is not really clear. The HTC apps gives you control of all the settings which you may lose on some apps. Can you describe what the problem is exactly. There are some specialty apps for documents that has post processing that might help
The stock camera is better than alot of camera apps, however when i take a picture of text, some area's tend to be blurry and zooming in makes them worse. The depth of field is bad, but i assume that is mainly a hardware thing? Camera Zoom FX works slightly better, text is more readable and you can zoom in a little without blurring it.
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The stock camera is better than alot of camera apps, however when i take a picture of text, some area's tend to be blurry and zooming in makes them worse. The depth of field is bad, but i assume that is mainly a hardware thing? Camera Zoom FX works slightly better, text is more readable and you can zoom in a little without blurring it.
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Depth of filed is related to the lens and aperture and has nothing to do with software other than you can adjust some parameters to make it more or less.
Zoom will always make resolution worse because there is no optical zoom and when you"zoom" you are doing it digitally and getting less resolution. 3.2mp can never be as good as 5mp so I assume you are simply holding the camera more steady and the app has little to do with it.
Try this. on the stock app, change the effect to depth of field, set the ISO to 100 if you have enough light or 200 if you need more brightness. Do not zoom.
You will have to hold very steady and straight. Watch the focus, it won't focus is you are too close to the subject.
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Depth of filed is related to the lens and aperture and has nothing to do with software other than you can adjust some parameters to make it more or less.
Zoom will always make resolution worse because there is no optical zoom and when you"zoom" you are doing it digitally and getting less resolution. 3.2mp can never be as good as 5mp so I assume you are simply holding the camera more steady and the app has little to do with it.
Try this. on the stock app, change the effect to depth of field, set the ISO to 100 if you have enough light or 200 if you need more brightness. Do not zoom.
You will have to hold very steady and straight. Watch the focus, it won't focus is you are too close to the subject.
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Ok, that settings do work slightly better, still not the greatest, im just going to write this off to the hardware component.
A few years ago my friend had this phone http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_j105_naite-2818.php
The camera was amazing, only 2MP but took really good pics.
Well I"m still not sure what you are trying to do, but I get consistently fine results with the flyer using the app Scan2PDF for documents. The Flyer does not have a flash, so you have to make sure you have good light without shadows. Otherwise the camera in the flyer is as good or better than most tablets and phones. Like any camera , even $3000 DSLRS, when you do closeups, the depth of field is very short.
Ok, say for instance when im studying, my textbooks are like 1k pages and it takes up space when its open and its an effort to navigate; i take a pic of a page or 2 and it makes it easier to work with. Thing is, it doesn't come out very great. If i take a pic of the whole page, some parts are less readable, almost like it doesn't focus the whole thing. If i take a pic of a paragraph, then it comes out fine. It doesn't seems as clear as it should be for a 5MP camera. Again, i think its just the hardware.
Yeah most of the reviews of the flyer were great but it got knocked on the camera.
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I think that CamScanner is one of the best apps for your purpose. It's free, and it automatically does a lot of image post processing to give you the clear text you are looking for, alongside cropping out the background, etc.
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the more light you provide the greater the depth of field will be, but you still need to have the subject flat and evenly lighted. Same for any camera, if you cant provide a reasonable subject, the camera cannot defy the laws of physics.
Ive heard that if you use the camera in widescreen, you don't get the full 8mp, but can't seem to find any details. Anyone know what's up with that?
It crops it to fit the screen. 4:3 is the full 8mp so basically it just cuts the top and bottom off so it fits the screen better and u lose some of the image
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It crops it to fit the screen. 4:3 is the full 8mp so basically it just cuts the top and bottom off so it fits the screen better and u lose some of the image
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That's hysterical. Is it the same for video?
Well I'm not sure but my guess is no. The video isn't at the full resolution of the sensor its either 720p or 1080p in 16:9 aspect ratio. I guess it could do video in 4:3 too for a fuller image but its not really an issue ppl prefer widescreen that's the way it works. The sensors are made for 4:3 max (i believe) so they can't add to it to get more so they have to cut off the top and bottom to make it fit like all phones work. Not a problem with the LTE that's how its supposed to be every smartphone works like that
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