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Is it me or does our camcorder suck?? I recorded my dog in the house blinds were open and everything so I can have light in the house but my video still came out dark which is crazy really starting to think our camera is wack I love the phone don't get me wrong but I'm considering trading it in I mean its like I have to be outside to get decent quality....in the daytime anyway
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You forgot to turn on the camera light.
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You forgot to turn on the camera light.
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But it was light in my house tho open blinds and everything.....
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Maybe too much light or cam was pointing the bright areas. All cameras will do this. The shutter is taking in all that light.
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Maybe too much light or cam was pointing the bright areas. All cameras will do this. The shutter is taking in all that light.
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Ok ill do a couple more test then
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I'm a professional video producer and hobby photographer. I haven't tested the Evo 3D's camera for video yet, but the problem you described is common in all auto cameras.
When a camera is automatically adjusting exposure, shutter, iso, etc. it adjusts for the brightest dominant subject in frame. The camera thinks you want everything perfectly exposed and is programmed not to blow out the highlights. So, what happens is it sees the bright window and thinks "ok, lets expose to that so it isn't a white blob." If you want to avoid this type of thing, lighting has to be as even as possible to the windows (which is almost always impossible) or you frame your subject without the window in the background. You also avoid this by using manual exposure settings, but I'm not sure how much control you'll have on the E3D.
What I would be weary of is the bitrate the E3D records video at. HD is only a resolution, but if it's a crappy bitrate, the video will look like crap. If you're not familiar with that, search youtube for some sample clips of videos in different bitrates. This probably can't be adjusted in the settings, but might be adjusted with some development if this is lacking. I remember when I was on my Samsung Moment which was android 2.1, that was adjusted in the build.prop but I don't know if that's the same here.
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Some examples of what I described -
Bitrate comparrisons:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xNG6gw4cxU
Some background to the above clip, this is testing the Q scale of a hacked firmware for a DSLR. The Q scale is just the piece of the firmware that controls the video compression/bitrate. The lower it is set, the higher the bitrate it uses. He starts at about a 44Mbps bitrate in the above video and moves down to about 10Mbps or lower. I'd be surprised if the E3D records even 2 or 3 Mbps. But if you jump from the beginning to about 1 min 30 sec. you can see the difference more. Watching it through, the changes are so subtle you might not notice much.
Couldn't find a video to demonstrate, but this forum post about the subject might help:
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-7594_102-282799.html
@GK1984 THANKS A LOT your info makes sense even tho imo my EVO 3d camera is kinda wack ....specially in low light
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@GK1984 THANKS A LOT your info makes sense even tho imo my EVO 3d camera is kinda wack ....specially in low light
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No problem. There's a lot to factor into better low-light picture. The tiny lens on mobile phones doesn't help. The new Mytouch HTC just released this summer has a back-lit sensor which lets more light hit the sensor, for example (the sensor is built backwards so the wiring is behind it - in a nut-shell). It's like a "duh" technology but JUST emerged recently. A lot of cameras compensate by adjusting the ISO (digital equivalent to film speed or sensitivity to light) but that causes more noise/fuzz to appear. You may want to try that though if you can for video, I know you can on photos. But feel free to ask me anything about video or photography and I'll do my best to respond. I don't sign in to XDA often, but I'd be glad to exchange emails or something.
Turn up the exposure, under image adjustments.
Does wonders for me.
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Turn up the exposure, under image adjustments.
Does wonders for me.
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I did I mess with all the settings .....stop not satisfied lol .....just think HTC could if done better I know back in the day BAKED SNACK would tweak the camera and camcorder to make it better....just hope eventually the devs will do the same
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That's the only settings change I would make to get the best results, aside from dancing with a higher ISO... I keep it at max on both the camera & camcorder.
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That's the only settings change I would make to get the best results, aside from dancing with a higher ISO... I keep it at max on both the camera & camcorder.
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Gotcha
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Quite strange that they declared the Xperia S to be the worst performer in the group and said:
But, it does look like the 12.1MP Sony Xperia S is the least impressive of the four devices, even with its megapixel superiority. The poorer quality can possibly be attributed to its lower cost and hence, cheaper hardware
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http://www.androidauthority.com/xperia-s-vs-iphone-4s-vs-s3-vs-one-x-camera-fight-90384/
Watch out for even more "fanboy" reviews to popup.
I have seen this article yesterday, I dont know what's going on but. I had chance to play with IPhone 4g and HTC ONE X cameras and I have to say that my SONY XPERIA S is the winner. Whoever made this macro picture with bananas for XPS _ completely f **** it. For me this looks like an anti -Sony competition ...
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Hmm...
I always take these photo reviews with a grain of salt. It is really the reviewers who make/break these sort of reviews.
He doesn't say whether he uses Auto-Mode, or anything like that. With standard settings I feel you aren't even capable of reviewing a camera properly...they leave it all up to the auto-mode to decide what settings to use.
Oh well, I know my Xperia S takes amazing pictures in comparison to most of those devices, that's all that matters to me, regardless of the random negative reviews here and there .
True. I am surprised to see such horrible photos taken with the Xperia S. XS can do much better than what the author managed. Pretty sure he used auto mode and didn't let the phone focus properly. Or maybe messed up the settings to make it seem worse.
well
XS camera is great and compare to my previous SGS 2, XS has fast focus and fast shutter speed.. even the color is better
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/118344624379023636652/albums/5747354225338739793
Have you already tried any photos with low light.. they are pretty noisy i think the flash its not very good .. i mean my satio did better
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Have you already tried any photos with low light.. they are pretty noisy i think the flash its not very good .. i mean my satio did better
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That seems to be a software problem
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Hmm...
I always take these photo reviews with a grain of salt. It is really the reviewers who make/break these sort of reviews.
He doesn't say whether he uses Auto-Mode, or anything like that. With standard settings I feel you aren't even capable of reviewing a camera properly...they leave it all up to the auto-mode to decide what settings to use.
Oh well, I know my Xperia S takes amazing pictures in comparison to most of those devices, that's all that matters to me, regardless of the random negative reviews here and there .
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fully agree there is full of fanboys with no respect for the tecnology look at this video for example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A33-6M-XChs&feature=related
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Bad review I must say. I wonder if companies are paying reviewers to bash another company's product and make them less appealing. I find the iPhone 4S pics quite colour accurate but the Xperia S has much more detail and gives me perfect pictures. I seem to use my dSLR less since I got the S. I don't like HTC One X's camera. Just not as good. One reason I didn't consider it. Though I am not sure about S3. If it's close to S2's camera unit, I can crown my Xperia S as the winner
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That seems to be a software problem
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Any tip or solution?
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Bad review I must say. I wonder if companies are paying reviewers to bash another company's product and make them less appealing. I find the iPhone 4S pics quite colour accurate but the Xperia S has much more detail and gives me perfect pictures. I seem to use my dSLR less since I got the S. I don't like HTC One X's camera. Just not as good. One reason I didn't consider it. Though I am not sure about S3. If it's close to S2's camera unit, I can crown my Xperia S as the winner
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Can you upload some pics in low light please I'm having problems in normal conditions camera is great although sometimes a bit of noise but in low light AF problem but the worst is noise
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Can you upload some pics in low light please I'm having problems in normal conditions camera is great although sometimes a bit of noise but in low light AF problem but the worst is noise
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The noise is caused by the small (better say tiny) light sensor on the phone. Sony makes the best sensor. I don't think any other phone uses better sensor than XS.
Photos from some phones "looks" better because they apply a stronger software noise reduction than SX does or they have a bigger apperture (e.g. HTC One X has F2.0 compare to F2.4 in XS). My solution to this is to apply noise reduction after I've loaded the photos to my PC using Lightroom.
Any way to applied it in the phone not in pc? Better is there a software to reduce the noise before shooting? You said that it's sensor was good but tiny right? So is it hardware problem ? Or software? Or both?
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Wow!
Hold on!
Just one picture and tooken with auto mode and this whole review...?
What the hell is this. This doesnt even makes sense...
This is more like:
Hey buddy im bored, let pick up some phones and take pictures and put it on internet.
So "we" can read it and discuss it so they can laugh their ass of...
In another threats .. With no "auto" mode they made few compares...
Different stages, scenes etc...
The xs came the best out.. It just beat all of them..
4s to s2(whens3 was not out)
Every high end smart phone.. But doesnt mind..
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Can you post link to the comparo where XS beat them all ?
The original review work comes from the mobile reviewer at cnet. Having read her reviews in the past she is very apple biased and seems unable to operate phones correctly.
In her original review of the xperia s (put up against iphone 4) she complained about the xs' camera taking 'letterbox' photos and that she prefered the iphones 4/3 images. If she'd of bothered to hit the menu button when using the camera she'd of found it was set to 9mp 16/9 and that a couple of clicks would of then set it to 12mp 4/3.
So dont expect her to have used anything but full auto mode.
The manual options in the xs' camera are great with things like target iso, and multi point auto focus.
If only they'd bothered to include the jpeg compression options as the default level dratically over compresses images and introduces artifacts.
Also on her low light test (and most of the tests tbh) ... the iphones colours look artificially over saturated (post process) the noise level on the iphone is also horrific yet she complains at the rest!
It's also funny to see her complaining about the iso effect, its probably because the xs and gs3 can change there iso and the rest cant! Try having some movement in the image and then see how well the iphone copes.
What is also funny is that the images have all been resized for web display, having 50% more pixels to start with gives you more options for post processing and thus noise reduction
So if we could adjust the jpeg compression the noise would be reduce right?
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The noise is caused by the small (better say tiny) light sensor on the phone.
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That's not strictly true, the noise comes from the software raising ISO in low light, all sensors from the tiny ones in a phone to a full frame 35mm one will suffer from noise as the ISO is raised. Its just that the bigger the sensor the higher the ISO needs to before it to become a problem.
If noise is a problem then just use Neat Image, nothing comes close to it http://www.neatimage.com/
The noise in this camera is not particularly bad, tbh in low light every digital camera will have noise because of the use of higher ISO. I think the 12mp sensor also make the noise more visible...I'm not sure about the technical details though...
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The basic gist of iso levels is as follows.
For a given amount of light hitting the sensor (metered) an exposure duration is determined.
Increasing the iso level decreases the exposure time for the same amount of light.
A shorter exposure time reduces the signal to noise ratio significantly, but it also reduces motion blur. Noise can be post processed, blur not so much.
My old nokia n95 would have exposure times of over 2 seconds in low light conditions, chance that everything remained totally motionless in this time is very small!
The exposure duration is usually stored in the exif file, I hope her original files kept all this sort of info!
The xs' camera has potential because we can change the target iso value (though compared to a still camera they're still low) we can also change the metering method as well. I haven't seen either of these features before in a phone camera.
The only thing we are missing is the ability manually specifiy exposure duration.
You are also correct in that the higher pixel density of a sensor the higher probabiltiy of noise.
Ability to take raw photo's or 100% quality jpegs would be nice (people have done mods to enable 100% jpeg quality, but I cant root my phone at present to test it as i use sky go)
Edit - Just checked the exif info on the 'original full size' images and its been wiped file sizes are interesting though.
GS3 - 2.1mb, IP4 - 2.6mb, 1X - 1.5mb, XS - 2.0mb
Have just noticed all the 1x pics are 6 megapixel images in 16:9 format which seems suspicious to me. But it says it all for the XS when it has a smaller file size than the GS3 and IP4 yet 50% more pixels.
Rough rule of thumb is that you need at least 1/2mb per megapixel to avoid any degradation on a full image (ie no patches of black or white)
Id like to ask, does anyone know if there are going to be any tweaks coming out that are for the S3's still's camera?
I personally find that if i'm shooting pics in my garden, that the grass looks luminous green, and over-saturated.
Now, not starting a war here - i sold my 4S to get an S3, but i do find the S3 images a fair bit less realistic than my old iPhone
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Id like to ask, does anyone know if there are going to be any tweaks coming out that are for the S3's still's camera?
I personally find that if i'm shooting pics in my garden, that the grass looks luminous green, and over-saturated.
Now, not starting a war here - i sold my 4S to get an S3, but i do find the S3 images a fair bit less realistic than my old iPhone
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If you are looking the images on your phone, it's because of the Super AMOLED screen...
It tends to oversaturate colors, thats normal.
But I know that the camera also oversaturate colors a little bit, nothing big, but it does.
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Id like to ask, does anyone know if there are going to be any tweaks coming out that are for the S3's still's camera?
I personally find that if i'm shooting pics in my garden, that the grass looks luminous green, and over-saturated.
Now, not starting a war here - i sold my 4S to get an S3, but i do find the S3 images a fair bit less realistic than my old iPhone
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there are a tweaks already available for download that enhances the audio and video bitrate as well as added physical buttons for still images...have a search around.
Just change the many camera settings already available on the handset before shooting...
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Change camera setting before a shot..
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i agree that the super AMOLED screen makes the image look over saturated. Looks great on the phone screen but poor once you open the file on a computer. I like to experiment with different settings and then touch up the images in post. just keep in mind that lighting is on your side, you just have to know how to manage the amount of light taken in by the camera
I'm still testing out the features and hope to get a good setting but honestly i find that my photos using my old HTC Sensation were better quality.
Also, i have edited the media_profiles.xml file and increased the bitrate, that is my tweak. anything else would be on the user.
First off anyone claiming iphone 4s photos are more realistic than photos on s3 is telling a few porkies especially if they use Hdr on 4s as that makes iphone pics look as unreal as it gets. Secondly the photos on s3 blow the 4s away regardless of the mythical over saturation of colours.
Take any pics on s3 and ip4s side by side on auto in a variety of situations and I guarantee the iphone pics will be sub standard 99 percent of the time, colour balance or no.
Sgs3 takes as good photos as my cannon powershot 14mp easily.
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i agree that the super AMOLED screen makes the image look over saturated. Looks great on the phone screen but poor once you open the file on a computer. I like to experiment with different settings and then touch up the images in post. just keep in mind that lighting is on your side, you just have to know how to manage the amount of light taken in by the camera
I'm still testing out the features and hope to get a good setting but honestly i find that my photos using my old HTC Sensation were better quality.
Also, i have edited the media_profiles.xml file and increased the bitrate, that is my tweak. anything else would be on the user.
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Really you think the Sensation took better pictures?
I have a HTC Sensation and the picture quality from this phone is shocking in all but the best daylight conditions, and even then it's no match for the S3 or the S2 for that matter, as for video quality on the Sensation not even gonna go there lol
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Really you think the Sensation took better pictures?
I have a HTC Sensation and the picture quality from this phone is shocking in all but the best daylight conditions, and even then it's no match for the S3 or the S2 for that matter, as for video quality on the Sensation not even gonna go there lol
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yea so far. but i need to fully test the camera on the s3. i still prefer using the htc sense camera on the sensation.
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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
I use "camera awesome" from the play store it has optical image stabilization and a slew of other options
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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I have been having this idea from the day it was launched, i wanted to replace the camera in the MAX with the one from the Original HTC One.
Not that i find my photo's bad because of lack of OIS, it was just another crazy thought from day one of the phone being announced.
I have ordered the original camera module from etradesupply and have it with me now. i am thinking of doing it myself although i don't want to brick my phone lol.
As of now there is no guide for teardown of the MAX and that is kind of a show stopper for me. I have had experience of opening up a HTC One for a screen replacement for a friend of mine and have the required tools for it.
I would like to listen to thoughts from other users.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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Ummm... OIS is a hardware thing so no amount of software can provide it
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That what i thought...
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well in the shooting modes there is image stabilization which will not allow the picture to be taken until stable and works flawlessly
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i have use a HTC One and coming from it, i did not see much of difference on the photo's.. as i said, it was just another crazy idea.
however, if image stabilization is a software thingy then Samsung and all other OEM's would have jumped into that already without needing a hardware for it.
If you consider DSLR lenses, there are lens with VC / image stabilization while other don't, so i am guessing its a hardware thingy.
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Diminished return. If the camera drives you nuts right now the rest of the phone/display/etc will after you have torn it apart. Worse yet, your significant other may ban you to the sofa after things go awry.
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yeah, i know and that is exactly why i am being patient on doing it. i have had the camera module with me for more than 2 weeks now.
To be honest, i came to this idea just because of the hype the media and the other members who actually believe OIS is something great and needed.
but as far as i have used my phone for photo's i never felt something missing, that is probably my usage of it.
I believe this is because the MAX is huge enough that we actually hold the phone in a more stable manner while taking pics.
I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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I should probably try taking pics while on the move to see the actual difference of the OIS thing.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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This. For anyone wondering OIS is not going to magically make the pics any better. If you dont like the still shots it takes you will not like them with ois. Just my .02.
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Absolutely !
From HTC's Site:
The New HTC UltraPixel Camera
The new HTC One will be the first to feature the HTC UltraPixel Camera - an advanced imaging technology that offers a great leap in the quality of point-and-shoot photos and video. Smartphones have rapidly become the primary camera for millions of people, and taking pictures has become an indispensable part of daily life. HTC is committed to offering the highest quality camera available, so even everyday pictures are gratifying and memorable.
With our new camera, you’ll be able to quickly shoot vivid, true-to-life images with a wide range of colors, even in low light conditions. We accomplish this not by increasing the number of megapixels in the camera, but by engineering a more advanced CMOS Sensor, ISP, and optical lens system that captures significantly more light than most 8 or 13 megapixel cameras.
“We shouldn't scrap pixel count entirely when weighing smartphone cameras, but in terms of the hardware and software details that actually go into making a great photo, megapixels are highly overrated. It's high time we focus on other areas that count more, like that undersung sensor.
Jessica Dolcourt,
CNET
May 12, 2012
In this section we will describe for you how we’ve created the most sensitive smartphone camera, which include these key components of ImageSense technology:
UltraPixel Sensor - Engineered with larger pixels, it enables each pixel to capture more than 300% more light than most leading 13 megapixel cameras.
HTC ImageChip - Offers continuous autofocus, color shading, and noise reduction, as well as more realistic High Dynamic Range.
F/2.0 Aperture - The largest available smartphone camera aperture, it lets in 44% more light than the iPhone 5.
Optical Image Stabilization - Drastically reduces blur in still photos and shaky video footage.
While the HTC One max has a UltraPixel Camera Zoe only offers Digital Image Stabilization. The Definitions are below.
Optical Image Stabilization (Hardware)
Optical image stabilization is the most effective form of image stabilization. Camcorders with optical image stabilization typically feature tiny gyro-sensors inside the lens that quickly shift pieces of the lens glass to off-set your motion. An image stabilization technology is considered "optical" if it features a moving element inside the camcorder lens.
Some camcorder manufacturers let you turn optical image stabilization on and off, or include several modes to compensate for different kinds of camera movement (either vertical or horizontal).
Digital Image Stabilization (Software)
Unlike optical systems, digital image stabilization uses software technology to reduce the impact of shaky hands on your video. Depending on the model, this can be accomplished in several ways. Some camcorders will calculate the impact of your body movement and use that data to adjust which pixels on the camcorder's image sensor are being used.
For consumer digital camcorders, digital image stabilization is usually less effective than optical stabilization. Given that, it pays to look closely when a camcorder claims to have "image stabilization." It may only be of the digital variety.
Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
Im actually looking forward to the phone blox to become something of production. With moto and google backing the project it should happen.
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Interesting... If you try this oit let us know. I cant think of changing phones any time soon but if the pictures would get that much better then I am all for it.
Btw I owned two different One's and didnt find the pictures on it that much better.
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I definitely am going to try this out, but just waiting for a dis-assembly video so that i don't damage my phone. It won't be harder than the one i hope lol
where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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where can i find the screew driver to take the htc one max apart. the volume rocker got messed up and i need to fix it.
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It's the standard Philips screw driver if i remember correctly.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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Hi, can some Max users post what sensor you have? You don't need to be rooted. Navigate to /sys/android_camera, open the file called sensor and post a screenshot.
Curious if Max users have the ST electronics sensor or the Omni sensor.
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International version, HK region ROM
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Thought this relevant since the nexus 5x has the same camera.
This is a comparison to the iphone 6...looks pretty impressive
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3ogvrg/nexus_6p_vs_iphone_6_low_light_photos/
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It looks AMAZING!
Woah - impressive. In fact, I dont think I have ever seen such a definitive improvement with anyone doing a camera side by side comparison as this. Sheesh! I wqonder how much of that is HDR trickery?
I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
Both have some pretty ugly digital noise in the shadows, but you can see the effect of the larger pixels in the clarity of the detail. In the last pair of photos I see some chromatic aberration in the Nexus that's not there in the Apple, but the shadow detail is still better.
Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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Me either. 6P is too big for me too
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Show me the 5x night camera samples and I will tell you.
Seriously speaking, the camera for these types of shots should be very close to the same for 5x and 6p
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I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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Phil
PhilipL said:
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
Regards
Phil
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Yep, but not because of the camera! I had to cancel my 6P order because monies. 5X a compromise in getting a Nexus but I would have enjoyed the more premium phone a lot more. **** happens. Smaller size is a bonus, though.
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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It's all down to shutter speed really, the faster the shutter speed the less likely any camera shake is noticeable. Generally a shutter speed of 1/30th to 1/60th sec is considered the slowest speed a camera can be handheld reliably without camera shake ruining too many pictures with typical lenses. A wider angle lens can go slower in shutter speed than a zoom lens where avoiding camera shake is concerned. This is because when you are zoomed in, a small tremor from our hands is amplified to be a much bigger movement, something you will notice if using binoculars. So smart phone cameras have an advantage already as they are pretty wide angle lenses.
Outdoors in the daytime shutter speeds are pretty high, high enough that OIS is probably pointless and having no benefit for photography on smartphone cameras. It's still important for video in daylight, that is because video is recording over time, and not a split second instance that freezes the action like a photo with a fast shutter speed.
In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
The above ignores the effect of the flash of course, add in the flash and that helps freeze action anyway plus allows faster shutter speeds.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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Phil
PhilipL said:
In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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Phil
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Thanks for the informative post! I enjoyed reading it.
I was informed that tucking in your elbows to your body when taking a photo or video can help a bit in stabilization. How effective is that? Any other stabilization tips since OIS is gone?
Sent from my Nexus 5
There's already a picture posting thread here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/post-pictures-nexus-6p-t3213937
One is all we need. :good:
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