Here is a nice little article I stumbled upon. The part about android is towards the bottom of the article.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/10/steve-jobs-biography-android-cancer.html
Thoughts?
It was kind of weird reading that considering iOS copied a lot from android..
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Guy was maniacal about his creations so what did you expect?
People send millions of letters to apple stating how great he was and etc and you start to understand how did Hitler manage to turn so many people on his side.
Different **** but same purpose.
He didn't want to accept paternity of his daugher for a looong time leaving her on wealthfare. Cancelled all apples philantrophic moves yet some treat him as some special amazing magical angel.
This aint a rant lol.
As for the issue itself... do you think goog has any different perspective on apple? They all want more powah.
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he always seems a bit up him self. when people tell you your some kind of god that does no wrong, you will eventually believe. RIP
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He was also a great comedian, I see.
O Ya cause apple never took anything from Google and Microsoft! Hahaha just look at ios5!
I hope postponing the prime wasn't ACTUALLY 'for him'...
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NIKEstickER said:
O Ya cause apple never took anything from Google and Microsoft! Hahaha just look at ios5!
I hope postponing the prime wasn't ACTUALLY 'for him'...
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Watch Pirates of Silicon Valley.
Wow Steve Jobs was very arrogant.
Apple has made it practice from its birth to steal product, they stole the mouse and ui from Xerox, stole from Microsoft, Microsoft stole from them, apple has never been great...Steve jobs was just better at stealing, and had an undeniable charismatic and marketing genius. Google is superior. Open source and freedom if info is the future, us younger guys will not accept a future that is any different
F#*k Apple & their ****ty products , Android is a stolen Idea ?! B.S !!!
He was whining about that because he knew its better then this Icrap he bragged about until his last day .
Never liked IPhone & will never own one .
Their marketing ways sux ass their products are way to overrated .
Bottom line Android is the Real Deal & always was & gonna stay # 1 .
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"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs said, according to the AP report. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."
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HAHAHAHA... Game over...
Google: 1
Apple: 0
Someone had suggested watching Pirates of Silicon Valley, I second, and I hope someone will third. It shows Steve Jobs and Billy Gates, who they really are, and what kind of people they are. They don't play fair, they play dirty.
Jobs was arrogant, some of it he deserved, but most of it he didn't. For Steve Jobs to say he was going to fight google/android because it was stolen is hypocritical. There isn't one, but multiple thefts of copyrighted intellectual property, and it isn't just apple, but steve jobs himself personally perpetrating the theft...it is dispicable.
Furthermore; Android is open source, anyone can see the source code, it's very easy to prove it isn't stolen. No subponea needed, any joe public member can download android source code. Eat that Steve "Blow Jobs
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HAHAHAHA... Game over...
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holy crap i just about spit soda all over my laptop when i read this lol
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Someone had suggested watching Pirates of Silicon Valley, I second, and I hope someone will third. It shows Steve Jobs and Billy Gates, who they really are, and what kind of people they are. They don't play fair, they play dirty.
Jobs was arrogant, some of it he deserved, but most of it he didn't. For Steve Jobs to say he was going to fight google/android because it was stolen is hypocritical. There isn't one, but multiple thefts of copyrighted intellectual property, and it isn't just apple, but steve jobs himself personally perpetrating the theft...it is dispicable.
Furthermore; Android is open source, anyone can see the source code, it's very easy to prove it isn't stolen. No subponea needed, any joe public member can download android source code. Eat that Steve "Blow Jobs
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I've heard good things about that movie. He was a snake and definitely a hypocrite. But in the industry, everyone is in a way. I'm not totally against him. I'm a fan of the MacBook Pro. And, I hate to say, I'm posting this message from an iPad 2. I didn't buy it, though. It was given to me by my company.
"it is amazing what one can accomplish when no credit is taken"
Thomas Jefferson.
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I think steve jobs went with the old saying "if you can't bet them join them", which is why he copied alot of android features just like android did to ios5
Maybe he was just pissed that other companies stole his idea...the idea to steal other peoples idea. It just wasn't fair to copy what he already did and get away with it like he did. Someone has to pay for that kind of disrespect.
You all make excellent and well taken points.
I think that it's pretty obvious that Eric Schmidt pulled a Bill Gates on Steve, and if I were him I'd be POed as well. You can't tell me that Android didn't copy(well, actually clone) iOS once Google realized that nobody wanted a BlackBerry after the iPhone was released. Check out early Android prototypes, they're complete BB clones and look NOTHING like Android phones today.
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I have wondered this ever since iOS 5 was revealed:
How hasn't iOS5 infringed on patents that Google owns? More specifically - why hasn't Google's patented and pioneered notification pulldown, and overall display using a curtain, been pursued in court?
chasoo said:
I have wondered this ever since iOS 5 was revealed:
How hasn't iOS5 infringed on patents that Google owns? More specifically - why hasn't Google's patented and pioneered notification pulldown, and overall display using a curtain, been pursued in court?
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Google doesn't own Android patents other than the Market and some other apps. Android is an open-source project. The notification system in Android is not patented...but it may well become patented...by Apple now.
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Google doesn't own Android patents other than the Market and some other apps. Android is an open-source project. The notification system in Android is not patented...but it may well become patented...by Apple now.
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Apple won't patented, last week they try to patented something new about multitouch and they didn't let them so I doubt it
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Hope this isn't true. I'm too pissed to believe it.
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Google doesn't own Android patents other than the Market and some other apps. Android is an open-source project. The notification system in Android is not patented...but it may well become patented...by Apple now.
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Apple won't patented, last week they try to patented something new about multitouch and they didn't let them so I doubt it
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That was the term "Multi-touch". Apple wanted to copyright it. The term was determined to be too widespread and common to become a copyrighted name. Apple does own the patent on mobile capacitive multi-touch display tech, though.
The war of the giants in which the only people suffering will be us the consumers. Why don't they all just share their technologies and let us choose.
EX: Apple is currently sueing Samsung for patent infringement however they're still using Samsung parts in every iPhone sold.
Agreed, but a little off topic. I'm seriously trying to understand this.
Fields47 said:
The war of the giants in which the only people suffering will be us the consumers. Why don't they all just share their technologies and let us choose.
EX: Apple is currently sueing Samsung for patent infringement however they're still using Samsung parts in every iPhone sold.
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Fields47 said:
The war of the giants in which the only people suffering will be us the consumers. Why don't they all just share their technologies and let us choose.
EX: Apple is currently sueing Samsung for patent infringement however they're still using Samsung parts in every iPhone sold.
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Money.
If you can make your product the only one available on the market then you get the whole pie.
Think about it, if the only smartphone was the iphone, we'd all have one, most likely jailbroken etc to be useful, but Apple would have had their money from us for it.
Even if you can stop one company's product for a few weeks you weaken them and will increase your sales by reducing consumer choice.
The information technology patent wars are completely out of hand. This would be a terrible development, if Google brought Apple to court on something silly like the "curtain" UI feature.
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Apple won't patented, last week they try to patented something new about multitouch and they didn't let them so I doubt it
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I wouldn't be surprised if Apple DID patent it, ESPECIALLY now that the patent is issued to the "first to submit" rather than the "first to invent." To be fair, it's my impression that the "first to invent" standard was pretty hard to enforce.
But nonetheless with the patent process streamlined and less rigorous, the primary change will be that patent trolls and giant corporations will have an easier time making frivolous patents which hurt innovation rather than encourage it.
In conclusion... I'm voting for Colbert 2012.
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The information technology patent wars are completely out of hand. This would be a terrible development, if Google brought Apple to court on something silly like the "curtain" UI feature.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple DID patent it, ESPECIALLY now that the patent is issued to the "first to submit" rather than the "first to invent." To be fair, it's my impression that the "first to invent" standard was pretty hard to enforce.
But nonetheless with the patent process streamlined and less rigorous, the primary change will be that patent trolls and giant corporations will have an easier time making frivolous patents which hurt innovation rather than encourage it.
In conclusion... I'm voting for Colbert 2012.
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Me too...especially if his running mate is Robin Williams. I'd slam my vote down!
Nooooo! Now Apple gonna patent it. Is there a way we can urge google to patent their stuff? Petition? Anything?
Now Apple "Invented" notification menu
If the iPhone would be the only phone left in the Market.....I would cry .
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If the iPhone would be the only phone left in the Market.....I would cry .
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I agree. The more competition the better.. It's really the only thing that drives innovation.
This whole patent war thing is dumb.
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Google doesn't own Android patents other than the Market and some other apps. Android is an open-source project. The notification system in Android is not patented...but it may well become patented...by Apple now.
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Common misconception that Apple ripped off Android for the notifications, actually it was webOS.
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I agree. The more competition the better.. It's really the only thing that drives innovation.
This whole patent war thing is dumb.
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Mmmhmm .
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Doesn't matter if apple were to patent something such as the pull down. It would never stand in court. The first time they were to try to defend it, the defence would only need to show prior art.
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Go samsung! Kick Apple's ass
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Apples issue is that they have enough money to buy their patents. Most of them are so vague they have clearly just paid off the patent office to issue it. I mean seriously, i'm sure one of their patent was for using icons to launch applications, like they were the first to ever use that!
They just seem to pump money endlessly at anything. Did you know that iCloud is actually a business name, and apple have just decided that they want the name, forget about copyrights. The whole system was set up to protect the little companies, now the big companies are using it as a weapon. Why don't they just invent new technology rather than patenting other peoples technology then blocking sales of it.
Microsoft are just as bad, they get through tough times by exploiting patents and having a rather large income from android sales alone, it was recently estimated to be somewhere around $300,000,000 just in royalties for software they didn't invent.
What's next, Apple have patented the act of suing someone over patents?
I think we'd all be happier if they spend their legal fees in R&D rather than just attacking each other, it's clearly not customer or product focused anymore!
it's pretty sad that apple spent all these money and time to sue other people when they could've done a better job on their products...
oh well..
let the law suit continues...
The question is: Does google holds patents for above mentioned things?
I think from now and on they gotta patent everything, because smart asses like Apple gonna patent their work.
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Even though I do my fair share of poking at apple I, this made me sad
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dayv said:
Even though I do my fair share of poking at apple I, this made me sad
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Damn, I thought someone was just mocking the nonexistent news of the iphone5 yesterday till I checked the news. RIP Steve, you have contributed to what we call technology these days.
Without Steve Jobs and the iPhone, Android doesn't exist as the platform I so enjoy. Gotta respect the man for single handedly catapulting the smartphone market into its current absurd orbit.
A very large portion of the technology we use today was directly or indirectly influenced by Steve Jobs. I'm not a big fan of his attitude toward the open software community, but no one can deny the great job he did with apple or deny how innovative he has always been.
Plus when I think of his work ethics, I wish I could be half as productive as he was.
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I feel sorry for the loss of him, always sucks to hear about ANYONE passing away. I do think that home and CRAPPLE did catapult the smartphone industry. But I also wonder if yesterday after the iCrap 4s announcement and ALL the bad remarks from believe it or not APPLE FANBOYS on apple sites talking about what a dissapointment of the 4s news and no 5 news was to them. Maybe Steve Jobs read alot of those articles and the comments that followed and just gave up and wanted to finally rest in peace. I am not trying to pole fun at this at all so forgive me if it seems that way, just noting what I read yesterday and then the news about SJ's today. May he rest in peace.
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Ya think the next iPhone will support Flash?
All kidding aside, it is sad to see a man who played such an integral part of the rise of the digital age pass. May he rest in peace.
Very sad indeed, he did great things and will be surely missed
Two dissapointing days in a row for Apple fans and technology fans all around. First the announcement yesterday of the iphone 4s and now this. To think of all that money he had, money cant buy you life.
RIP Steve Jobs
As much as I hated his arrogance, I will miss him.
Saw this on Brief Mobile. SGSII commercial making fun of iOS fan boys and isheep. Good move by sammy to diss the customers they are trying to win over? I mean the commercial is dead accurate all my iOS friends act like this, but if you are tying to win people over youd probably be nicer? anyways what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6h5JSojJN3Y
That made me laugh.
I don't know, maybe their marketing gurus know what they are doing.
Haha i love it.
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I like it. WOuld have been better when the iphone 4s wasn't out, but none the less, that's awesome.
"I could never get a Samsung, I'm creative."
"Dude, you're a Barista."
LMAO!
That was AWESOME. Shared it with my son who followed the crowd after I told him I would NEVER put an iPhone on my account. So he got his own account... 1 less phone to worry about on my account now... priceless...
Can't wait to share it with the 1 Guy at work that got the 4s. The rest have converted to Android already...
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There are some funny ass comments on that page too...LMAO
I would have switched to GEICO......Classic.
LOL at the comments.
"It make blacks on my EVO 4G look white."
I wouldn't say its a diss. More like the truth. Got my gs2 on release day and when with my girlfriend to a apple store like 2 weeks later so she could look at a iphone. I purposely kept my sgs2 in my hand and kept comparing it to apple devices in the store. I could tell all 40 employees working at once were getting a bit ticked.
Now that how you sell a product
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Haven't seen this commercial on TV yet =0
I wonder what jobs would have done if he saw this
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I wonder what jobs would have done if he saw this
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is this even a question? lol he would of filed another lawsuit. lmao
I thought it was spot-on lol. Apple fans should be able to take it in good fun, especially considering all of those Windows vs Mac commercials.
This ad is great. It's not going to convince any Apple fans to purchase a non-Apple product, but it pokes fun at those lemmings who believe iAnything is a gift to mankind.
I like how it isn't carrier-specific. You see an example of each Galaxy S II model available in the US (possible excluding the Skyrocket).
i dont see anything wrong with that commercial. Everyone tries to win new customers by sweet talking them. It sometimes works but usually not. Why not try something a little 'off the beaten path'.....a little 'reverse-psychology', if you will.
Apple will sue. They hold patent US#2667899432 - "creating cool, witty commercials with young hip people"......
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Apple will sue. They hold patent US#2667899432 - "creating cool, witty commercials with young hip people"......
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Apple patent wars are very amusing to watch. They should make a tv show
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Love that ad!
I would watch Apple Patent Wars, would that be on History or TLC? Or would apple make it available only in iTunes and only for iPad 2?
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These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
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These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
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i agree with sorax64....part of Samsung success with galaxy s versions is that Samsung copied Apple's work...
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This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
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This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
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eric00716!!!! i agree with you bro
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This major win with a major competitor will only give birth to a whole new round of suits and new strategy that will probably lead to us being phucked over. The realization of apple being a monopoly is becoming ever more true. You think the bs we had to put up with when our EVOs were held in customs was crap, just wait. I see bad things heading our way. I know Samsung copied apple. We all said that awhile ago. But jeez, if the courts will agree with apple that a rectangle with rounded corners is copying, then what does that say for us?
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If I was running apples legal department I would Sue Samsung also they are tearing there sales apart all apple needs to do to dominate the market again is make more choices for there phone bigger screens easy hacking and better ui improvements come on apple dust off those thinking caps and make a new product instead of pumping out the same phone every year.
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Ha.. A billion dollars. Should be able to pay their lawyers with that.
It's not like Apple is going to be able to go willy nilly on other OEMs now. They don't have the resources for that, and if they keep it up, Google will eventually step in.
Exactly that's what I'm saying...apple isnt gonna stop at this..google is gonna need to get involved..which it looks like they did with the Motorola suit..everyone knows moto is an ip bank..
I wonder what type of phones the judge and members of the jury use?
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As much as I love Android, I kind of have to agree that some of the devices that Samsung were making did look like iFails. Hell, I think Touchwiz does. I will say though, that Apple suing anyone for stealing ideas when they themselves have done so repeatedly in the past is just bs.
Here's the break down of what was infringed. Placement of home button? Thin frame with rounded corners? Serious!? I'm no Samsung fan, but for the sake of our future of android devices I was rooting for Sammy.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/25/br...oom-victory-over-samsung/?icid=eng_latest_art
Hahaha its already begun:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30692579
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Like I.said..that's the scary part..they went to court with these bs patents and they won..now every phone that has those traits can be targeted..this is just the beggning im afraid..esp when its prob difficult to find a jury that isn't a iPhone or android user ..and its the patent that's the issue..once granted the court will uphold their decision..that's where reform needs to begin
I wouldn't worry. This will probably be overturned. A lot of mistakes by the jury.
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I can see it now. 10 minutes after the court case is over. The judge and jury walk back to their cars talking on their IPhones... Lol
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This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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Funny since a lot of people around here do believe that their chit don't stink.... :beer:
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This is a discussion about the Gs3's future sales after the announcement of the most popular phone on the market, there have already been numerous 'comparison' threads closed, lets not turn this into one of those.
After today's underwhelming announcement of the iPhone5, the people sitting on the fence about whether to switch to the Galaxy S3 or Note2 (or something else) have to make a decision.
I've been reading comments on Android fan sites, Apple fan sites, and 'Neutral' tech sites, and the general feeling I got from all of them is that the iPhone5 just hasn't done enough to persuade a lot of people to stick with them.
Now, obviously, this thing will sell like hotcakes for the people that don't know any different to make an educated decision / that actually like the iPhone anyway / have bought too heavily into the apple ecosystem to switch now.
But those that are in the know, like everyone who watched the olympics... the S3 was plastered all over the place ... and the people that were keeping up with the patent trials (anyone who reads the news) will now know that there are better offerings out there and most likely opt for a Gs3.
So, do you think we will see a significant boost from the already 20m phones already sold?
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Even those that have been sitting on the fence the last couple of months to see what Apple has to offer?
Also, a personal insight, my mom and sister got a gs3 shortly after release, and genuinely with no persuading from me. They aren't tech heads, but they knew a class phone when they seen it.
The guys waiting for today to make their decision i think will go galaxy.
i think so, seen people taking 99$ deal on amazon right now
it will not be huge spike but there is going to be one.
for me the new iphone disappoint
no new tech or old favorites like fm radio, xenon flash, still LCD and only 4'
i mean 4.5 would have been fine
I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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My boss wanted to buy the iphone 5. He is very loyalty to Apple. But he started liking my S3. He already have doubts about buying iphone or not.
My mission: convert him into an android guy and wake him up to the reality
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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Of course, they'll sell shed loads. But the huge advertising campaign with the Olympics, the recent trial and those already on the fence should have the gs3 planted in their heads! I think Samsung will steal a good few of them.
Htc might get a wee jeg too if they get in the news regarding the lte patents (if that even happens)
Exciting times for sure.
I've cleaned up the mess fellas. Please remember to be polite and let's not get too far into the "you know what" discussion. :highfive:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book titled, 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' a couple of decades back. In it he proposes there are 'Romantic' and 'Classical' people. He and a friend rode across the US (in the book & maybe in real life) on bikes. He had a Harley and the friend a BMW. (patience, it's coming... ) When they rode up the Rockies, the bikes started playing up and while he stopped and worked on his bike, and finally realised it was the reduction in atmospheric pressure needing just a tweak to fix, his mate went and paid a small fortune in a town garage to get his BMW fixed.
Pirsig talked for a bit about those who want an end-result experience and those who wanted to enjoy the journey. Some people forever focus on the end result and miss all the learning and fun along the way, 'big picture' people for whom the nuts and bolts are a horror to be avoided at all costs - literally in the case of his BMW mate.
At the time, as a Helpdesk person, I realised most Mac users are Romantics, people for whom computers are very much NOT fun and who use them solely to get a result and because they have to. Windows users were often some of the same sort, using Windows simply because their work said they had to, but far more of them would, if the subject was explained in terms they understood, become interested in the process and learn to fix their own printer/Word/Excel issues etc.
Apple have polarised the world again with their same-old, same-old tactics. The recent court case against Samsung proves Apple have not lost their litigious attitude towards protecting things they stole in the first place. (WIMP from Rank Xerox) And again we are shown the division between the Romantics and the Classicals - these forums are full of Classicals - look around and you will see lots of people who post about how wonderful this or that version of a ROM is, only to upgrade instantly a new version or even a different ROM comes along.
For most XDA'ers, I think the journey IS the end result - we tend to be travelling along with no particular goal in mind apart from a nebulous 'perfect phone' concept, and if all the developers stopped producing new ROMs to try we'd be heartbroken.
The Apple is good enough for most Apple users, be it Mac, iPad or iPhone. We will never convince them otherwise because they have sipped at the Kool-Aid fountain and like most religious people, they cannot even SEE the contrary information. It doesn't matter if the new iPhone has an A5, A6, A15 or quad or dual, it will be better in their eyes because it powers an Apple. They don't MIND buying expensive corsds ands connectors of all kinds because it is for Apple.
And they definitely don't see an ongoing development process as being a thing of benefit - Apple has spent far too many dollars convincing their world that you don't ever upgrade your device software, you just buy a new device. It is the proud boast of many Apple users that their product is far more stable than Windows, but my old enemy Microsoft constantly produced product that would work (most of the time) on any PC made across a spread of about 10 years, while Apple only ever made software for a very specific hardware platform - if you like, MS made an OS while Apple made glorified Firmware.
The same scenario is happening right now with Android. Android is being made to support all kinds of devices, with a legion of eager supporters providing updates and fixes. (on more of a Linux model than a MS one) Apple will not produce an iOS6 for their old phones, just for the brand new one you have to pay a small fortune for. Samsung (and other Android vendors) are producing updates so you get more life from your phone, providing a level of support to their clients Apple has never tried to match.
And eventually, the numbers will tell - just as in the PC/Mac wars, Apple had to compromise in both hardware and software, (Intel chips and running Windows on Macs) they will find eventually their tactics fail them. In my opinion, Android is the up-and-coming world of phones and pads, and Apple is the dinosaur relying desperately on massive programming... sorry, I mean advertising to keep their victims... I mean customers, loyal.
I think there will be a swing away from Apple as the actuality of the new phone falls far short of expectations and even the glitz Apple will give things will not hide the fact that all they have done is copy what is already being sold for hundreds less. But don't go expecting those weaned on the Kool-Aid to be coming over any time soon - the religious always resist the encroaching reality checks of the real world.
And on a personal note? I LIKE Apple for their litigiousness and mean spirit. If they had been sensible back in the late 80's/early 90's, we'd all be using Macs and locked down so tight I wouldn't have had a 25 year computer career helping others. For more than 2 decades I've had a job description of, 'I'm a bloke, and I fix stuff' that would never have been possible if Apple had treated their customers as anything other than sheeple to be fleeced to the maximum. Their greed allowed PC's to develop and become what we see, and now Apple's greed and contempt will allow Android the space to grow and become the new ubiquitous OS for mobile devices.
Journyman16 said:
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Mr Woolf said:
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
nodstuff said:
Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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*grins* In 1987 I bought an XT clone (1MB Ram, twin 5.25" FDD's - envy of the few I knew with PC's because I could put my programs floppy AND my data one in at the same time ) to write books. I was sick of having to re-type a page or more just to change a sentence. 3 months later the PC got me a new job supporting WPO's at 3 grand per year more than I was getting. and I still haven't written my SciFi books. Working on it now and of course, along comes bloody Samsung S3 with Android and I'm fighting against techo distractions again... le sigh...
Forums like XDA will help greatly with selling Android; some older members need to recall that they once didn't know stuff but mostly folk are very helpful and there is a LOT of info to be had here. Mind you, it suffers a bit from popularity - search for something you want to know and you get like 5000 threads to look through. Needs an Advanced Search function, or maybe I just haven't found it yet. And why can't I search on the entire Samsung S3 forum? le sigh...
I think the reaction from a number of sites about how the court case showed Apple users how they could get everything Apple offered for far less if they stepped away from the Kool-Aid spigot shows an interesting facet to the competition. I haven't seen such comment before, even for Mac/Pentium battles. Usually it was about the differences, not the fact you could get the same thing. It could make a difference, particularly if the members here make a point of posting such a view on any/all forums they are members on.
5th column... the ONLY Army to join...
It is surely a good day for people that knows stuff from the gadget world but for common people they are still awed no matter what. The power of Apple's marketing can even turn a pile of scrap metal into gold.
nodstuff said:
I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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I'm gonna quote that to my signature too.-
bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
irish-sid said:
bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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Source?
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Journyman16 said:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book ...
Excellent, tanks
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CuBz90 said:
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just Search : iPhone 5: Consumer Anger Over £25 Adaptor
I'd link but not allowed :fingers-crossed:
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http://news.sky.com/story/984469/new-iphone-is-more-of-the-same-from-apple
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497