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Here is what HTC had to say on ics updates to our devices...
We are excited about the latest update for Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, and are currently reviewing its features and functionality to determine our upgrade plans. Our goal for Android updates is to give every customer an improved user experience, which means balancing each phone's unique hardware, HTC Sense experience and the Android kernel. While our goal is to upgrade as many of our recent devices as possible, we are committed to maintaining every phone's performance and usability first. Please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans.
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heres a link to the article on engadget about it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/htc-were-reviewing-ice-cream-sandwich-and-determining-our-plan/
What engadget points out is very interesting. some of HTC's Sense features seem to be in ICS to an extent and kinda makes Sense a lil pointless. Less I'm missing something. Right now after going through ICS I'm trying to figure out what I will be missing/losing with Sense. That is beside the Sense app versions like camera, dialer and such which are differ.
Mm idk ICS looks really good as it is , so HTC should go back to stock as much as possible, I wonder if we can layout how we want to use are buttons now ? And if qHD will have nice support in the market finally
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i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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Mm i don't really like dark themes too much. Gingerbread was a bit too dark for my taste and now ICS is looking dark theme I wonder why they went the way instead ,in a side not I think everyone forgot about the moto rzer lol
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The only things I would miss from sense are:
Dialer
Weather integration
Facebook integration. A one that works unlike the Facebook app.
Lockscreen
Widgets
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Mm idk ICS looks really good as it is , so HTC should go back to stock as much as possible, I wonder if we can layout how we want to use are buttons now ? And if qHD will have nice support in the market finally
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evank418 said:
i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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The only things I would miss from sense are:
Dialer
Weather integration
Facebook integration. A one that works unlike the Facebook app.
Lockscreen
Widgets
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weather integration is something they will keep and the animations and just have it be an HTC Sense app and not so much of a sense overlay as in past.
as for the lockscreen, the new one takes a lot from htc sense 3.0 lockscreen im pretty sure and you can access apps form it.
again the more i look at ICS the more i lean toward going senseless as they hit the ball out with this upgrade. always a sense fan but can't imagine what they could do to this to make it better past the weather animation stuff really...
They should go with stock.
It would make updates faster.
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I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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is this foreshadowing on a rather "warm" ice cream sandwich? Lol. Jk.
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I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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If only this would become a reality, would rather have the option of being stock once ICS spreads. I guess it will be once DEVs develop a stock ICS rom
I would like an ICS aosp look with sense features, like the senseless rom im running now. However companies like HTC are all about making their mark on the software so i have a feeling their wont be an official update until theres an ice cream sensewhich..bad pun whoo!
HTC and Sense will never break up. They'll just come up with new ways to sell, they are actually pretty good at that. I just don't think you can have so many companies mass producing so many phones if they all ran vanilla android... it would be silly.
Besides, the sense widgets, weather and facebook integration are enough for me to stay. The facebook app is a resource hogging battery killing machine.. in fact, the android market as a whole is 85% junk... I'm thankful that HTC eliminates the need for at least a few apps.
With that said, I fully expect HTC/Sprint to totally rip us off when they give us ICS on the 3D. It likely won't have anything new for Sense and will be dumbed down.. will have the same Sense UI look.. making it hard to even tell we are even running ICS.
Sure hope CM gets 3D cameras and such working soon!
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i don't think release of ICS is helping HTC at all. after viewing ICS UI, i don't see a reason to use sense anymore. it's starting to loose its selling points. unless they make a major upgrades on sense, HTC's future looks dark.(yes, i will get galaxy nexus soon as they release)
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I couldn't agree more.
Sense improved on features, usability and appearance and if you watched the keynote last night, that was the same focus for ICS.
I wouldn't mind having ICS vanilla.
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HTC is going to have to innovate sense to a very deep level to make sense relevant, but in the meantime I wont jump to another device just because it has ICS or its alittle faster, the Nexus Prime im not too hype on, its a SG2 with a dress on. Sense for now is cool but without innovation It will become pointless, P.s the only way I jump to a new device is the GALAXY NOTE on sprint with ICS then im all in. I need that 5.3 with a stylus thats love sorry for the sidetrack at the end of this post
Today the Virtuous team (if you're unfamilar they did Virtuous Unity, Virtuous Affinity, some ICS projects, some other projects for DZ/G2, DHD, Inc S, Desire S, Inc 2, mytouch 4g, and some other devices) announced that they were interested in doing Virtuous Flyer. I personally really like their work, and I would welcome it. I just made this thread to see if there is any other support for this besides the Virtuous Team and I.
You can read the original post by them here: http://www.virtuousrom.com/2012/01/happy-new-year.html
And view some of their work:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1422273
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837042
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1346474
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424260
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122805
and much more....
btw...This rom would be ICS =]
Also a late note: It should not be hard to get roms ported from the Flyer to the View..No need to worry View users =]
Would love to see them support the flyer!
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The Virtues of Virtuous
I've used their ROMs on Desire Z and Inspire and they do great work. They're some of the best sense based roms for sure.
My main question is what do they think they could do? Other than bringing ICS what's going to make this ROM the one to have?
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I've used their ROMs on Desire Z and Inspire and they do great work. They're some of the best sense based roms for sure.
My main question is what do they think they could do? Other than bringing ICS what's going to make this ROM the one to have?
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Well I can't speak for the Virtuous Team, but as you know they are very talented in what they do. Judging from their opening posts of other Virtuous Quattro threads it seems like they are very knowledgeable with kernels which offer a edge here and they do "Heavily optimized for fluid performance and usability.". What mainly happens according some very talented developers is that most kernels and roms just have optimization this, and kernel optimization that, but some developers have no idea how and why it works and degrade the quality of the rom. The Virtuous Team has a clear understanding what those tweaks do, and what will make the rom "better"(for my lack of a better word due to my knowledge of why their roms are such great quality). Honestly I think it would just be great to have ICS on the Flyer with such a great developer team working on it. I think of it really as nothing to loose anyways because if you don't like it you can always switch back.
I would be very interested in this project
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Interested once this hits beta!
If they build it they will come.
While I would certainly be interested in this as a trailblazer ICS ROM, I would hope they would have an ultimate goal of producing a full Sense ICS ROM that retains the stylus functionality in the long run. Otherwise for many of us, this would only be a novelty.
I know that the Virtuous team does do other Sense ROMs. I understand that for now, doing vanilla ICS is much easier, but once HTC publishes ICS with Sense, the could be used as a base for incorporation. Still, I would embrace the effort because much is learned from any good ROM development.
I am intrigued by the use of the CM9 ICS custom launcher "Trebuchet" due to these enhanced features:
Custom number of Homescreens
Enable/Disable Persistent Search Bar
Separated Apps/Widgets in Drawer
Resize Any Widget
Show and Fade Scrolling Indicator in Homescreen and Drawer
Enable/Disable Auto-Rotate
Drawer Apps Sorting (Title, Install Date)
Heck with supporting the flyer, how about the View?
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Heck with supporting the flyer, how about the View?
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I would not say "heck with supporting the flyer", but I understand where you are coming from. It seems that Flyer to View is really not that hard to do, and it should be no problem. Again I do not speak for the Virtuous Team, and again it does not seem like it would be a big problem.
This would be great! ICS has pen support built in, right? I wonder how this might translate to the Flyer.
This would be great! Not complaining, but perhaps after maybe they could keep sense so we can use the pen. +1
Hopefully with the large increase of flyer users lately due to all the sales and such there will be more interest in this
That's pretty cool, I used various versions of virtuous before (Unity, Affinity, Sense, G-lite). So they'd likely bring this to sense 3.5 on here, right?
Hopefully they will include HTC View / Express in the update. It doesn't seem too hard as we already have a port of one of the flyer roms in the dev section.
kaijura said:
That's pretty cool, I used various versions of virtuous before (Unity, Affinity, Sense, G-lite). So they'd likely bring this to sense 3.5 on here, right?
Hopefully they will include HTC View / Express in the update. It doesn't seem too hard as we already have a port of one of the flyer roms in the dev section.
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No not Sense 3.5. Sense 3.5 is not even optimized for tablets. It will be bring ICS to the Flyer.
Only if support for the Evo View was available
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Only if support for the Evo View was available
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Understood. Making this sound that this is only for the Flyer sounds a bit one sided on my part. My apologies, will edit the OP.
it would be awsome to see an ics rom for the flyer. and not hard to bring the ril to bring the view right behind it.
In but would love to see the pen still work as well. The trickiest thing it seems for ics development is a functional camera.
DigitalMD said:
While I would certainly be interested in this as a trailblazer ICS ROM, I would hope they would have an ultimate goal of producing a full Sense ICS ROM that retains the stylus functionality in the long run. Otherwise for many of us, this would only be a novelty.
I know that the Virtuous team does do other Sense ROMs. I understand that for now, doing vanilla ICS is much easier, but once HTC publishes ICS with Sense, the could be used as a base for incorporation. Still, I would embrace the effort because much is learned from any good ROM development.
I am intrigued by the use of the CM9 ICS custom launcher "Trebuchet" due to these enhanced features:
Custom number of Homescreens
Enable/Disable Persistent Search Bar
Separated Apps/Widgets in Drawer
Resize Any Widget
Show and Fade Scrolling Indicator in Homescreen and Drawer
Enable/Disable Auto-Rotate
Drawer Apps Sorting (Title, Install Date)
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Couldn't have said it better!
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just wondering if there would ever be an miui for the view 4g?
Going to go out on a limb and say no.
Someone might be able to port it, but even the EVO 4g isn't official, is in beta and only runs GB.
I don't see them developing much for HC. Just old stuff running GB and concentrating on ICS.
o ok just asking because i just out it on my evo 3d and in the downloads i saw a few tablets on there too
This discussion started as a question in one of the CM10 threads asking how users that want an AOSP experience over HTC Sense as a daily driver wound up with the Evo 3D. It then began evolving into a debate about Sense versus AOSP so I thought it would be a good idea to move it out of that thread. Please keep it civil here or I'm sure the mods will close this thread, as I would expect them to do.
I'll start off by saying I really don't mind Sense and like the direction it has taken with the 4.x releases, so I don't consider it a compromise to run Sense ROM's to take advantage of more features of the Evo 3D. OTOH, I like to run AOSP ROM's to see what future versions of Android are bringing to our devices, and the simplicity of the AOSP interface is a pleasant change of pace, not to mention things like ParanoidAndroid that aren't available for Sense ROM's.
Here's another Sense user's experience using AOSP.
I'm not sure yet what my next device will be which is one of the reasons I'm interested in this discussion. If everyone else has heard enough in the CM10 thread already, just ignore this one and it will go away in a day or two.
ramjet73
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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Scotty_Two said:
In terms of look and design, AOSP>Sense (graphic designer here). Sense may look flashy and "poppy" but it's the same look that HTC incorporated with in the original WinMo version of sense known as TouchFlo back in 2008 I believe. Back then, this style was all the craze and was fitting for it's time, hence the design style of iOS on the original iPhone, which has also not changed. But that was nearly five years ago, and design style and standards have changed. Google has done a great job of keeping up to date with design by keeping things "clean" by minimizing fake shadows, gradients, and object that are given false dimension. In my opinion, Windows Phone is designed extremely well and is, in some ways, setting the standard on UI design, just look at how it carried that look over to Windows 8 and what MySpace's new look is like. It's all about simplicity. As a graphic designer, I cannot stand the look of Sense; it's dated and overly designed. But unfortunately, I bet that HTC (just like Apple) won't reconsider a major UI overhaul do to recognizability and brand association with Sense. All of this is just just my personal opinion though, and each is entitled their own
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i think i have to agree with that, sense is just too much trying to be accomplished graphically on a 4inch phone. yeah the animations are nice, but they arent worth slowing down your phone. you have a phone to do the things you need it to do, the rest is just bonus.
then again, im also a person who uses the classic theme on windows 7 despite having a decent computer to run aero and still run tons of programs at once.
last point, google has come a long way and you're finally able to see that when they released gingerbread. sense 3.0 w/ gingerbread was probably the last sense that i liked that was released otr for our phones because gingerbread was just repulsive. sense 4.0 i love because it's cleaner than the previous, and really snappy. but it's still sense and you get tired of it.
htc makes solid phones, but their os is starting to turn me away. but until samsung makes phones that arent plastic. ill forever use my 3vo and flash aosp roms.
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Let me throw this out for the people that prefer the AOSP look.
Given the changes in the Sense 4.x versions is HTC Sense still salvageable as an enhancement to AOSP or should HTC scrap it and convert it's widgets, which seem to be the most popular part of Sense, to work with Trebuchet and other launchers?
If HTC actually builds a Nexus phone, we may get a chance to vote with our dollars (or whatever currency you use).
ramjet73
VictoriousShooter said:
It's funny how everyone on HTC phones hates sense (except me and a few others), yet people on samsung and LG beg for sense...
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Man I am a die hard sense fan in my mind I don't think nothing else compares to it
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I got the evo 3D because I though sense was awesome. After a month I got bored and missed AOSP sooo much
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Reason why I bought the EVO was for sense, always liked it always will
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I originally got the evo 3d because at the time I thought sense 3.0 was awsome it looked cool as hell. As well as it was one of the best phones sprint carried at the time. But then after a month or so I couldn't stand it and I went on the search for aosp or as close to it as I could get. My next device will definitely be a nexus device. Not only because I dislike sense at this point but because of the hell we went through waiting for ics and source code.
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Sense is "pretty" and ya all the ROMs have working cam but aosp just has so much more freedom. Only time I'm rocking sense is when I'm taking a pic
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As others have said, first off, I like the "tweakability" of AOSP when compared to sense. Much more freedom to do what I want and this expands with CM, AOKP, and other special builds.
Second, the simplicity and streamlining of AOSP is *far* superior to anything that sense has to offer. I'm not a graphic designer, but I am a photographer so I'd say that, at the very least, I have an eye for the aesthetics of things around me. AOSP, in its newer iterations (namely, ICS and AOSP - since the new standards were introduced) has a ridiculous amount of polish and aesthetic appeal when compared to pretty much any other Android offering.
I understand that aesthetics are a completely subjective thing. A lot of people here seem to like very flashy stuff - gold-themed roms, animated 3d spinning boot screens, really bright colors, outrageous text, biohazard signs, etc. That's not my cup-of-tea personally, but if you're into that stuff I can see why you might not like AOSP.
Finally, It was incredibly hard to predict exactly what would happen concerning our phones and AOSP. When I picked up my Evo 3D, I was a huge fan of HTC hardware after owning a Mytouch 3G as my first android phone and having it survive two large water accidents. I assumed that great devs would eventually get AOSP working on it and I was ok living with Sense until that happened.
Nothing against Sense, I'm sure there are plenty of reasons for people to like it, but I've spent over a year with both (I very recently switched back to AOSP on my 3D) and I heavily prefer AOSP.
I like sense its not horrible. and the things I've seen done with it through chubbzs ports of 4.0 and 4.1 But I've had sense for quite awhile and I like the simplicity and tweakage of aosp Aokp cm and CnA. It's just different and I'm looking for something different. I know sense is going to be more stable and more functional but I'm willing to deal with a much less stable Rom just for something different. It makes my phone feel like a new phone and its a little smoother IMO
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I'm definitely not married to Sense anymore. When I first got my Evo 4G I really liked it, but once 4G was implemented into AOSP I flashed it and ran AOSP for months. Only going back to Sense once in a while. My Old EVO 4G is back on a Sense ROM though, Karma 7.7.7 (if I remember it right.)
Sense 4 is much sleeker and faster and I wish it was complete. If things weren't broken, I would be all over a Sense 4 ROM. But, I'd do the same on AOSP if there was a complete build of that. Ultimately, that is what keeps me on 3.6. Not it's style, look, how bloated it is (and it does have some heft.) But the fact that everything works, I can't stand not having everything worked that I paid for, whether I use them daily or not.
i liked sense 3.0 when it first came out. it was new and cool. it's still ok to be honest. but i miss AOSP. the newer versions of sense are nice as well but i just refuse to sacrifice 4G. i dont really mind losing 3D. never really used it. and i know 4G doesnt really work on any AOSP roms either. so i just desensify sense based roms to get as close to AOSP as i can. i was using CM9 on an old Droid X i inherited and i loved it. i wish we had a fully functioning CM build....
I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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I really like Sense and I really like AOSP. (especially since ICS) the only possible way to ever choose between both was to own an HTC Device running sense. So that's what I've done since the Hero days. (Granite you needed AOSP for that device)
You can't buy a nexus device, and expect to get Sense on it, but you can buy a Sense device and get AOSP ROM's for it.
I like both, and the ability to choose. That's why I chose the EVO 3D (and HTC phones in general)
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That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
felacio said:
That's actually a really good way to look at it. You can get both on HTC and you can't anywhere else. I don't see many people clammering for TouchWiz on an LG. lol
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this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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There's a rom with touchwiz on the og evo .. I actually liked it when I had my og evo a few months back
johnnyboi1994 said:
this may sound bad.....
but i actually would like to see touchwiz on an htc device one day. i just wanna experience touchwiz for like a week or so without having to buy a plastic contain to hold all my phone's parts
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Have at it!
Here's a port of the Galaxy S3 version that's been tested with ICS on the Evo 3D and here's an overview of the S3 version.
If you Google around a bit you should be able to find some TouchWiz widgets as well.
ramjet73
I like sense but it is heavy and uses more battery compared to aosp. I like aosp too and I prefer it! Is more light, smooth and I like the android grapich
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What do you think about the leaked screenshots of Sense 5?
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2013/01/heres-a-sneak-peak-at-the-htc-sense-5-keyboard-and-dialer/
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2013/01/the-design-of-the-htc-m7-has-finally-been-revealed/
I personally think the dialer for sure looks way better than in Sense 4. Hopefully this will be ported whenever some Roms come out! *wishfulthinking*
Looks like some of the keyboard themes I've already come across in the past year.
I have yet to see a stable sense 4.5 (ignoring the 3D), and you are already dreaming of sense 5? Gonna take a loong while. Also, there are literally thousands of keyboards out there, i am pretty sure you can find one like that if you would search
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I actually like the new sense ui. Not really a big fan of sense anymore since I went with aosp jellybean ROM. From the leeked specs I'm practically drooling over the hardware specs and new sense now lol. Giving the variety of carrier options I hope to see it come to Verizon and switch over to that phone when it comes out.
Jsparta26 said:
I actually like the new sense ui. Not really a big fan of sense anymore since I went with aosp jellybean ROM. From the leeked specs I'm practically drooling over the hardware specs and new sense now lol. Giving the variety of carrier options I hope to see it come to Verizon and switch over to that phone when it comes out.
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Used to be a huge fan of Sense( loved the Sense keyboard predictions in my language), but since I tried JB 4.2.1 AOKP, the old boy sense doesn't make any sense anymore. Also I will not change my phone until the poor thing dies. I saw some pics with sense 5, nice, but as someone said, we may wait some time until is available for evo via XDA ofc, or maybe we won't have Sense5 at all.
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In leaked screenshots it does look a bit nicer and more professional look rather than that childish iOS-ish look but for some reason i really don't like the Browser & Camera icon, the Text and Phone icons look good tough.
I like the new jellybean 4.2.1 . Im running dastins cm 10.1 stable as hell with all features working minus the occasional glitches in video camcorder.
Some lucky b has sense 5 already
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=37016666#post37016666