i have a HTC HD2 thru tmobile, dont really have a problem with it. There just isnt enough apps for it, so i wanted to swith from windows to android. Can i do it or can i take it to an t-mobile store and they do it for me.
First of all, welcome and congratulations to your first post.
If you want to install android, you have to do it by your own.
See this thread as base for flashing anything.
Just be aware that switching a phones OS is no easy task and based on the fact you had to ask if T-Mobile would do it I get the impression your not the most technical person. So my advice to you, and this has your best interests at heart, get a native android device.
Oh and your reason for wanting android is probably the lamest in history. I have seen humans and animals with multiple missing limbs that were less lame
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M3PH said:
Just be aware that switching a phones OS is no easy task and based on the fact you had to ask if T-Mobile would do it I get the impression your not the most technical person. So my advice to you, and this has your best interests at heart, get a native android device.
Oh and your reason for wanting android is probably the lamest in history. I have seen humans and animals with multiple missing limbs that were less lame
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First off, that's a nice welcoming post to a new user. And how is that a lame reason? Yes WM6.5 had thousands of apps (or programs, as we used to call them ) but most of them were ugly as sin, glitchy, or for very specific or technical uses. They were not centrally gathered and it gets harder and harder to track them down. Coupled with no updates, no development, and lots of vital or useful apps missing, it's a fine reason to ditch the dead OS.
I say all this as a massive WM6.5 fan. But Microsoft made it a lame duck, killed it off prematurely, and came out with a nice but not great - and very locked-down - replacement in WP7. For me, Android is the natural evolution of 6.5, and I hope the OP gets on well.
Anyway, to the OP: Welcome! I tipped a new poster some tips on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18719054 - Good luck!
I have used WM6.5 on my HTC HD2 for over a year, and I must say it's just a dead end. I sticked with it, but a week ago I have switched to NAND android and now I'm happier than ever.
I think it takes a few days to read enough about sspl, hspl, magldr etc to understand what you need to do, but I managed to do it in 2 days easily.
If you need help,let me know in PM, I can explain what you should be looking for, it can be a bit confusing.
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First off, that's a nice welcoming post to a new user. And how is that a lame reason? Yes WM6.5 had thousands of apps (or programs, as we used to call them ) but most of them were ugly as sin, glitchy, or for very specific or technical uses. They were not centrally gathered and it gets harder and harder to track them down. Coupled with no updates, no development, and lots of vital or useful apps missing, it's a fine reason to ditch the dead OS.
I say all this as a massive WM6.5 fan. But Microsoft made it a lame duck, killed it off prematurely, and came out with a nice but not great - and very locked-down - replacement in WP7. For me, Android is the natural evolution of 6.5, and I hope the OP gets on well.
Anyway, to the OP: Welcome! I tipped a new poster some tips on this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18719054 - Good luck!
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The above is a structured and decent reason for wanting to drop an operating system (well, if you leave out the part about programs being hard to find etc). WM always took the apporach Windows did to application development and that was "Do it, get it out and then fix it later". It was just how the world worked and still does in some circles.
The reason is lame for the simple reason that it completely ignores all logic and reason. A good reason is, as i said, is like the one quoted above, or more simply, because WM has reached EOF.
As for the tone of my original post, it's not like i screamed obscenities at the OP. I didn't even insult him once and i could have, very easily. Instead, I used my professional experience as an IT engineer and software developer, as well as my experience from years of hanging out on XDA to give an informed opinion on which direction I thought GoBlue should take. If you think it would be more appropriate for me to be rude, obscene, obnoxious, arrogant and generally unhelpful (like most 10 to 18 year olds i seem to run into on these forums and the internet in general) i will gladly oblige. It would not only be funny but also make a mockery of the testing process i had to go through to become a first round RD and i'm sure the XDA moderators would love to see that.
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... If you think it would be more appropriate for me to be rude, obscene, obnoxious, arrogant and generally unhelpful (like most 10 to 18 year olds i seem to run into on these forums and the internet in general) i will gladly oblige. It would not only be funny but also make a mockery of the testing process i had to go through to become a first round RD and i'm sure the XDA moderators would love to see that.
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Not really
I think OP got enough information from the answers given. Anyway XDA is plenty of threads explaining this. Please use search function before opening a new thread and read the FORUM RULES. I am closing this thread.
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Hey guys! I put this thread in this forum because I know a lot of you are using PPCGeeks too because that's a big Titan community.
But what the heck happened?? Does anyone know why PPCGeeks is down and has been down for about a day now (as far as I know)? I know the FTP is working but the site is down. Also does anyone know approx. when it will be back up?
Who cares. XDA is a more robust (often nicer?) community anyway. I say more information should be posted here anyway.
And, for your info, not everyone is here because PPCgeeks is down. Some people actually prefer it here (and some of them didn't even know PPCgeeks was down in the first place).
Just sayin...
EDIT: I may have been too harsh with this comment. I post on both XDA and PPCgeeks regularly (the titan flashing for dummies tutorial I wrote appears only on PPCgeeks, in fact). I thought the OP was implying that the ONLY reason people come here is because PPCgeeks is down, which is not true. I've been customizing my GSM phones for years here before I even know that PPCGeeks existed. I only found it because XDA's CDMA support is weak, at best.
This thread IS categorized improperly though. It doesn't belong here.
PPCGeeks has server problems fairly regularly. I think I remember someone saying they actually use a shared server. I'm sure they'll be back up soon.
yeah i stopped going to ppcgeeks after i upgraded to my tatin back in june it seems all thats left over there are some *****y mods and retarted noobs
We all have our opinions, but this shouldn't be a flame thread for ppcgeeks. If you don't like them, fine...but should keep it to yourselves and not flame them here. Just my opinion...
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And, for your info, not everyone is here because PPCgeeks is down.
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Perhaps you didn't read my post correctly..again it was:
I know a lot of you are using PPCGeeks "too"...
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Never did I say all of you are here because PPCGeeks is down...nor did I ever imply that, fyi...
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yeah i stopped going to ppcgeeks after i upgraded to my tatin back in june it seems all thats left over there are some *****y mods and retarted noobs
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Yeah I somewhat agree that the moderators are pretty harsh sometimes. I noticed that during the new test rom release when they closed two threads down. But they eventually did open them back up, in turn admitting their mistake.
I enjoy PPCGeeks as it has a much larger 6700/6800 community. The primary reason why I come to XDA is for DCD's ROMs and for the Development & Hacking Forum.
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We all have our opinions, but this shouldn't be a flame thread for ppcgeeks. If you don't like them, fine...but should keep it to yourselves and not flame them here. Just my opinion...
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I agree 100%!!
What I like about ppcgeeks is that it seems like the primary focus is the newer phones - titan, kaiser, touch... where as here, it seems like this comunity has a much larger, broader focus on a lot more devices. Both sites have their advantages over one-another, it just depends on what you're looking for. I'm glad for that, because then I have two places to check out the latest on pocket pc's and smart phones, instead of just one.
Right now, only one though...
I like both but I must say that I like it here a lot more because this is more of the "meat and potatoes" if you know what I mean. You have to filter a lot over at ppcgeeks. Both sites are good for different reasons but this place is undoubtedly my favorite.
Just my 2 cents...
I have noticed that both communities respect and credit each other and understand that both are in a quest with the same goal in mind: Advance the resources, knowledge and capabilities of our smart devices and provide support for past, present and future devices.
I give praise to both with equal endearment for both have assisted me with getting my device and knowledge to the level of functionality & competence it is today...
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Just my 2 cents...
I have noticed that both communities respect and credit each other and understand that both are in a quest with the same goal in mind: Advance the resources, knowledge and capabilities of our smart devices and provide support for past, present and future devices.
I give praise to both with equal endearment for both have assisted me with getting my device and knowledge to the level of functionality & competence it is today...
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Very nicely put!! I totally second that!
i have been in touch with the site admin at PPCGeeks, we will be back up and running in no time. PPCGeeks is a great site and everyone that visits it often or calls it their PPC home knows what I mean. just be patient guys and we will be back in no time.
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i have been in touch with the site admin at PPCGeeks, we will be back up and running in no time. PPCGeeks is a great site and everyone that visits it often or calls it their PPC home knows what I mean. just be patient guys and we will be back in no time.
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I miss my effervescent-blue online site of residence...
ppcgeeks + xda-devs + pdaphonehome = pda modding goodness
but in all seriousness. I spent WAY way more time here when I had a gsm phone. No offense, but the cdma community over here is just kinda weak... for now at least
Im working with the Owner to get things up. we are in talks of moving his site and DB over to one of my servers. I have been texting with him all night We should be able ot work out details tomarrow and go from there. hopefully things will come back its a great site and amazing stuff. The 2 sites are different and both have a place in the internet. lets wish them allt he luck and support along the way
PPCGeeks has my support & patronage.
PPCGeeks is where I started my journey of knowledge in the PocketPC world! I've learned tons and tons from there. XDA-Dev. is awesome but PPCGeeks is my home!
I started with my original PPC6700 and found the XDA site first while googling. At that time (and even right now), the 6700 forum here is almost non-existant! So somehow, I managed to find PPCGeeks and the 6700 forum is the biggest I've seen of any PDA forums. And now that I am on the 6800, it is just as good, if not better!!
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Just my 2 cents...
I have noticed that both communities respect and credit each other and understand that both are in a quest with the same goal in mind: Advance the resources, knowledge and capabilities of our smart devices and provide support for past, present and future devices.
I give praise to both with equal endearment for both have assisted me with getting my device and knowledge to the level of functionality & competence it is today...
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my thoughts exactly, I spent a lot of time looking and using stuff from both.
Both have different things to offer. I use both regularly.
the reason i prefer ppcgeeks is because they have a more prominent community that caters towards my specific phone needs (cdma, sprint, titan). it's just more 'local' to me, wheres this site has a very international feel. the best comparison i can think of is that ppcgeeks = a state, xda = a nation. lol
all i see here nowadays are tweaks to manila n sense and changing around winmo 6.5..wat happined to new utilities and useful apps..devs arent making anything new? most apps are even roll overs from the tp2 and tilt just upgraded
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all i see here nowadays are tweaks to manila n sense and changing around winmo 6.5..wat happined to new utilities and useful apps..devs arent making anything new? most apps are even roll overs from the tp2 and tilt just upgraded
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hey.
so your post irkes me. at first i was going to ignore it but here i am.
you see, not only do you lessen the work of the people providing "tweaks" (like you are disdainful at people's free work) but you ignore all the fantastic work being done here and just sweep it all under the rug as being "roll overs" and "simple upgrades." really? there are a ton of apps (widgets?) in this forum and the windows mobile general forum that are fantastic...and free.
yes, free.
and provided because people want to share. nothing more.
not enough for you? start developing.
bored of all the tweaks and changing of winmo 6.5? start making some art.
what do you expect with your post? people to run to you and ask you what specific things they can make for you? how they can appease your wants? how about next time you use someone's work, say thanks or buy them a cup of coffee if you can. but don't sit there complaining that what is provided free to you is not enough.
or even better, contribute.
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hey.
so your post irkes me. at first i was going to ignore it but here i am.
you see, not only do you lessen the work of the people providing "tweaks" (like you are disdainful at people's free work) but you ignore all the fantastic work being done here and just sweep it all under the rug as being "roll overs" and "simple upgrades." really? there are a ton of apps (widgets?) in this forum and the windows mobile general forum that are fantastic...and free.
yes, free.
and provided because people want to share. nothing more.
not enough for you? start developing.
bored of all the tweaks and changing of winmo 6.5? start making some art.
what do you expect with your post? people to run to you and ask you what specific things they can make for you? how they can appease your wants? how about next time you use someone's work, say thanks or buy them a cup of coffee if you can. but don't sit there complaining that what is provided free to you is not enough.
or even better, contribute.
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Wonderful reply, don't think anyone could have said it better! I thank the day I stumbled across XDA and hope to someday win the lottery to repay all of the developers here who made me fall in love with first my diamond and now my HD2. I have huge respect for all that you guys/gals do and am eternally grateful for all that I have learned from you over the years.
Try not to let guys like this get under your skin and please oh please keep on modding!
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hey.
so your post irkes me. at first i was going to ignore it but here i am.
you see, not only do you lessen the work of the people providing "tweaks" (like you are disdainful at people's free work) but you ignore all the fantastic work being done here and just sweep it all under the rug as being "roll overs" and "simple upgrades." really? there are a ton of apps (widgets?) in this forum and the windows mobile general forum that are fantastic...and free.
yes, free.
and provided because people want to share. nothing more.
not enough for you? start developing.
bored of all the tweaks and changing of winmo 6.5? start making some art.
what do you expect with your post? people to run to you and ask you what specific things they can make for you? how they can appease your wants? how about next time you use someone's work, say thanks or buy them a cup of coffee if you can. but don't sit there complaining that what is provided free to you is not enough.
or even better, contribute.
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Perfect reply !
Tons of respect 2 each and every xda member who posts innovative ideas,tweaks,applications and mods here...
keep the good work going.......
I heard all the developers of "real" apps where on strike until XDA gave them a better pension plan
@ the op, tried android?? they have loads of "real" apps......
not like all these imaginary apps you find floating around here.........
I feel like Ive let myself down by posting in this thread but needed to vent.
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I heard all the developers of "real" apps where on strike until XDA gave them a better pension plan
@ the op, tried android?? they have loads of "real" apps......
not like all these imaginary apps you find floating around here.........
I feel like Ive let myself down by posting in this thread but needed to vent.
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I totally agree with you Conan
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I totally agree with you Conan
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glad to hear it
where have you been hiding lately?
dudes - no need to cut him down.
But easy answer: no one here (including myself) wants to bloat up there awesome HD2 with apps that you use once and forget about forever, or apps that just don't do anything (ask any iPhone/Android user how many apps they actually use and how many games they actually use - and I mean use like a calender or something - the answer will be close to 5 and 2 respectively).
So for the awesome HD2 instead of making 2 million things that no one will use we make widgets, tweaks and customizations so that what we does use will run faster, easier access, smoother, and when our friends take our cells they will be immediately awed by the amazingness of the homescreen that radiates from an abnormally large screen
and when our friends take our cells they will be immediately awed by the amazingness of the homescreen that radiates from an abnormally large screen
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I'm sorry but you are so wrong there... If anyone touches my phone they risk death...
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I'm sorry but you are so wrong there... If anyone touches my phone they risk death...
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Lol that's so true... although I have been getting a little bit more lenient because now that I have the invisible lock (in my Geek Redesign link below) it's actually super funny watching people just look at the lock screen and not being able to open it. And of course they get so much more annoyed when I tell them that they haven't even unlocked the phone after they compliment the nice looking "home"
Unfortunately this is not a thread providing the community a taste of the hot product from CM team.
This thread is to discuss why CM team don't want to 'play' with the xda community here that is eager to follow their guides and put Android on their TouchPads?
I expected much more involvement here. with lot's of technical discussions. Like in other forums of xda.
There was the crazy bounty period which was meant to cause this forum to be very lively but instead it introduced rivalry and now a 'cold war' between devs. Every attempt to get in on the dev just gets treated like spying.
They don't want to release a 60% done alpha to the community I'm guessing. Why are you posting a question in the development forum?
Reading is hard!!!!
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Hey look, another one
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I am completely shocked that someone would NOT read the rules about posting. My day is ruined.
There are several places to find updates if you know how to use google...
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I am completely shocked that someone would NOT read the rules about posting. My day is ruined.
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This is the state of XDA nowadays.
I have a theory... back many years ago, when devices were more expensive (Palm Treo 650, anyone?), it was an "older" crowd (people with jobs that paid for the gadgets) who were able to afford buying the latest mobile devices, and were a little more mature when it came to posting on XDA and other forums in general. Fast forward a few years, and now smartphones and tablets are pretty ubiquitous overall, and many of them are in the hands of teenagers. I'm no math/stats geek, but I'm sure there can be a correlation shown between the average age of your typical smartphone user going down over time, and a rise of stupidity (and lack of maturity) on technical/development forums such as this one.
Just look at these gems:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17889535&postcount=401
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17961879&postcount=423
Rod has the patience of a saint to have to put up with The Stupid oozing out of that thread.
In fact, that's kind of my point/response to the OP. Can you really blame developers/dev teams for wanting to stay away from XDA? Just look at what people like Rod (rwhitby) have to deal with in those quoted posts above. I have a Vibrant, and you should see how bad the Vibrant subforum is with repeated quesions, lack of people searching first before posting, and basically wanting to have their hands held to do something instead of searching through a thread first, or even doing a simple google search. This isn't how the community used to be. But it's the state of XDA now, sadly. So don't blame CM for not wanting to get XDA involved in their alpha stuff. At this point, it would only hinder their development on the port.
My $0.02's worth and sole opinion.
I agree and I read that thread when I want a good laugh.....fing n00bs
I used to use "Let Me Google That For You" to illustrate how easy it is to find answers with just a SMIDGEN of intelligence. But I kept getting spanked by mods for snarkiness.
Here is my take on what they are really saying:
"I see all the stickys and warnings to search before asking, but I am too lazy and it just takes too much time and basic sense to find the answer.
So what I will do is say that I am in a hurry and apologize for asking my stupid question and they will answer it and all will be well."
Just let it die lol.....
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a good trick when searching is typing “cyanogenmod in touchpad site:forums.xda-developers.com” and it'll show you every thread in the website that contains those words... I know forum searching sucks big time, specially when you can't search using small words but this is the best way to search
You know guys, it takes a lot less effort to ignore these threads than to fill them with smart alec comments, insults and other such bile. Do the forums and the world in general a favour and just pass them by, save your efforts for those threads you deem more worthy of your attention, everyone including you will be so much happier.
Since this will be Android 2.3 (I think), will we be able to download the tablet apps, e.g. Facebook or Angry Birds HD (even though there is a webOS version), or will we be stuck with the phone versions stretched out?
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Since this will be Android 2.3 (I think), will we be able to download the tablet apps, e.g. Facebook or Angry Birds HD (even though there is a webOS version), or will we be stuck with the phone versions stretched out?
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Phone versions.
potsey2007 said:
Since this will be Android 2.3 (I think), will we be able to download the tablet apps, e.g. Facebook or Angry Birds HD (even though there is a webOS version), or will we be stuck with the phone versions stretched out?
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Honeycomb specific version (That leverage the fragments API) will not be accessible.
However, many (most?) apps are written to leverage the screen real estate avail.
I have a Viewsonic G-Tablet currently running a slightly modified CM7 and most of the games/apps look perfect on it. Not stretched out, etc. You will of course have exceptions, but for the most part my G-tab works flawlessly.
Facebook for tablets? Well if someone has,it please post the apk my iconia could use it
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BrianDigital said:
Facebook for tablets? Well if someone has,it please post the apk my iconia could use it
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The actual facebook app doesn't work well on my Transformer. It just stretches out and looks like crap. I use Friendcaster and it looks great and works really well too. Friend Me is another one that looks good on tablets as well.
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Honeycomb specific version (That leverage the fragments API) will not be accessible.
However, many (most?) apps are written to leverage the screen real estate avail.
I have a Viewsonic G-Tablet currently running a slightly modified CM7 and most of the games/apps look perfect on it. Not stretched out, etc. You will of course have exceptions, but for the most part my G-tab works flawlessly.
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Yea, I have a nook so I know how they scale. Most apps really won't be an issue as seen in the cm videos, then again the nooks only 7".
Troute said:
You know guys, it takes a lot less effort to ignore these threads than to fill them with smart alec comments, insults and other such bile. Do the forums and the world in general a favour and just pass them by, save your efforts for those threads you deem more worthy of your attention, everyone including you will be so much happier.
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You're absolutely right Mom. I'll try to be a nicer person.
Seriously though, sometimes these threads get so damned dry I feel obliged to inject some humor.
A few days ago was excited to see the Honeycomb update roll out. Running a rooted best buy flyer. The early reports of installing Honeycomb were not appealing. For some of us finding out the exact procedure (after rooting) is still a mystery. There is no clear cut procedure to update.
Other than some minor security enhancements and a tad more speed, what's the big deal to upgrade anyhow?
The newness of HC will eventually wear off and what are you left with? There are posts about apps not working, formatting issues, sluggishness, loss of menu buttons, system crashes, browser crashes, game installation issues, loss of connectivity, gps not locking...etc, WOW!!!
This is not a motivator to upgrade. I'm sure there are embarrassed and pissed of users who were sorry they upgraded.
I'm going to wait until this things are ironed out and some smart dev stops whining about "too many people are pm'ing them for help." Being a dev has it's responsibilities. Telling users to stop asking for help in an open forum is frigging disgraceful. Forums are for helping people not telling people to shut up. We are all volunteers trying to help each other. Get a reality check.
It's going to be a while until most of the apps in the Android market fully support Honeycomb on tablets. For now Gingerbread works fine, headache-free.
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A few days ago was excited to see the Honeycomb update roll out. Running a rooted best buy flyer. The early reports of installing Honeycomb were not appealing. For some of us finding out the exact procedure (after rooting) is still a mystery. There is no clear cut procedure to update.
Other than some minor security enhancements and a tad more speed, what's the big deal to upgrade anyhow?
The newness of HC will eventually wear off and what are you left with? There are posts about apps not working, formatting issues, sluggishness, loss of menu buttons, system crashes, browser crashes, game installation issues, loss of connectivity, gps not locking...etc, WOW!!!
This is not a motivator to upgrade. I'm sure there are embarrassed and pissed of users who were sorry they upgraded.
I'm going to wait until this things are ironed out and some smart dev stops whining about "too many people are pm'ing them for help." Being a dev has it's responsibilities. Telling users to stop asking for help in an open forum is frigging disgraceful. Forums are for helping people not telling people to shut up. We are all volunteers trying to help each other. Get a reality check.
It's going to be a while until most of the apps in the Android market fully support Honeycomb on tablets. For now Gingerbread works fine, headache-free.
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It's your device and what you like that should be important.
Choosing a side is tough.
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Took a couple deep breaths before responding to this dribble. I am going to attempt being polite. You clearly are misinformed, but that is not the issue. Your total lack of respect for people who dedicate personal time for little reward for the love of the device and the platform is disgusting. It would be one thing if it stoped there, but oh no it does not. The "whiny" dev you are referring to did not want pms sent so that the resolutions can be read by all, for the greater good. I am particularly fond of this approach as it is how I learned everything I know about android. Reading others experiences, and learning what to avoid and how to recover
In summation, WOW
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Took a couple deep breaths before responding to this dribble. I am going to attempt being polite. You clearly are misinformed, but that is not the issue. Your total lack of respect for people who dedicate personal time for little reward for the love of the device and the platform is disgusting. It would be one thing if it stoped there, but oh no it does not. The "whiny" dev you are referring to did not want pms sent so that the resolutions can be read by all, for the greater good. I am particularly fond of this approach as it is how I learned everything I know about android. Reading others experiences, and learning what to avoid and how to recover
In summation, WOW
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if i could high five you i would
newalker91 said:
First off, you need to do some damn research as to why Honeycomb is great for tablets. Gingerbread was built for phones, Honeycomb was built for tablets. It makes the most out of your screen space so you can multitask and use larger format interfaces.
Second... WOW.
Congratulations on being the most ignorant petulant child of a poster to ever step into XDA. These developers do what they do out of their own personal interest and creativity. They have NO responsibility to support, update or even RELEASE material to this website. If people like you pulled their head out of their ass long enough to thoroughly read the entire set of instructions and also had a high enough level of reading comprehension to understand said instructions, they wouldn't be getting bombarded with the stupidest PM's for **** like "hai ur rom borke my tablet, i dint wipe data cuz i wunted to save my angry berds game". Calling the developers whiny for not wanting to deal with that? Good lord you're dumb. YOU need to get a reality check before you get banned. I sincerely hope you hard brick your tablet in the near future and no dev responds to your cry for help.
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As a dev that gets bombarded by stupid questions daily, I want to hug you now.
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I'm going to wait until this things are ironed out and some smart dev stops whining about "too many people are pm'ing them for help." Being a dev has it's responsibilities. Telling users to stop asking for help in an open forum is frigging disgraceful. Forums are for helping people not telling people to shut up. We are all volunteers trying to help each other. Get a reality check.
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This is the one and only post I will make on this topic.
I never asked people not to ask for help, I told them to do it in the forums where others could learn from the answers. I make no apologies whatsoever for that position.
Continuously dealing with PMs makes it impossible to deal with the underlying issue for the benefit of the whole community. It's pretty selfish to consider oneself entitled to individual support to the detriment of everyone else. In as far as is possible I have tried to answer every single question asked in every thread I have posted, I'm sure there have been a few missed but the number is small. When people have done that and are still stuck I have provided additional support via teamviewer.
In addition to the honeycomb upgrade released at that time for the Flyer I was working on the S-OFF upgrade for the Evo view, a device which I don't even own and for which I had to start form scratch by first patching the honeycomb hboot. This is a device who's users are pretty much all located in a timezone which meant working through the night for me to support them.
I gave up the vast majority of my Christmas/New Year vacation to these two things and then providing support for them. Yes, there is a responsibility on developers to support their work however that responsibility is primarily to the community, not to any one individual. I have more than discharged any developer responsibilities for work I have provided, had I answered all the PMs I received in that time neither of these two items would yet be resolved.
Is ICS not being developed for this tablet? Honeycomb is old news already.
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Keep the flames coming . I'm entitled to my opinion in a public forum. Yes, there are some ignorant requests from people, but there is a polite way of handling things? Moderator's can't ban because they don't agree with somebody's post. Have been involved with XDA since 2008. There are hundreds of forums on a multitude of handsets with millions of posts. All the hard work and long hours are greatly appreciated. This doesn't mean I'm going to sheepishly sit on the sidelines and kiss ass and NOT VOICE AN OPINION. This is a tablet. This is the flyer forum. There are many developers (myself included). I'm not in high school and probably more experienced in the real world than some of these college kids hoping I'll brick my device. It's a $300 tablet that is fun to play with. It's a grain of sand on the beach compared to my other toys. If it bricks will throw it away and get another one.
Was happy to see a honeycomb update. Before you tar and feather the mailman, understand this thread is not about bad mouthing a dev who contributes a lot to the XDA community. It's about respectful communication.
The cons outweigh any benefit to move to honeycomb at the moment IMO.
BTW, this isn't the Soviet Union.
BTW: Here's the thread you were looking for in the first place http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358758
Big_O said:
Was happy to see a honeycomb update. Before you tar and feather the mailman, understand this thread is not about bad mouthing a dev who contributes a lot to the XDA community. It's about respectful communication.
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There really wouldn't be much of an issue if what you said was respectful. But there was absolutely nothing respectful about what you said:
Big_O said:
I'm going to wait until this things are ironed out and some smart dev stops whining about "too many people are pm'ing them for help." Being a dev has it's responsibilities. Telling users to stop asking for help in an open forum is frigging disgraceful. Forums are for helping people not telling people to shut up. We are all volunteers trying to help each other. Get a reality check.
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A few days ago was excited to see the Honeycomb update roll out. Running a rooted best buy flyer. The early reports of installing Honeycomb were not appealing. For some of us finding out the exact procedure (after rooting) is still a mystery. There is no clear cut procedure to update.
Other than some minor security enhancements and a tad more speed, what's the big deal to upgrade anyhow?
The newness of HC will eventually wear off and what are you left with? There are posts about apps not working, formatting issues, sluggishness, loss of menu buttons, system crashes, browser crashes, game installation issues, loss of connectivity, gps not locking...etc, WOW!!!
This is not a motivator to upgrade. I'm sure there are embarrassed and pissed of users who were sorry they upgraded.
I'm going to wait until this things are ironed out and some smart dev stops whining about "too many people are pm'ing them for help." Being a dev has it's responsibilities. Telling users to stop asking for help in an open forum is frigging disgraceful. Forums are for helping people not telling people to shut up. We are all volunteers trying to help each other. Get a reality check.
It's going to be a while until most of the apps in the Android market fully support Honeycomb on tablets. For now Gingerbread works fine, headache-free.
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This just about sums it up … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MRmxfLuNto
Thank you. Your time and contributions are greatly appreciated. My apologies.
I will have to save that YouTube URL as it can be used in many threads here on XDA of late. I got a good chuckle from it.
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Well you know some people just should just not be allowed to own guns or high tech equipment. But even for those people that have marginal grasp of proper operation of such devices, it would still be OK as long as they only hurt themselves and not those that try to help them. This thread was obviously started by someone that doesn't know how to keep from hurting others and it belongs on the dumpster.
Pretty sad that the OP feels justified to come on here and "speak his opinion" by insulting globatron and call him a whiner. I've been on XDA through 3 different devices over 4 years, and I honestly think he is the most helpful and generous with his time I have seen of any developer or user on all of XDA. He answers just about every question asked of him, and then some. Many developers don't even come close to taking the time to do that. And they shouldn't have to, anyway. Whoever said that just because you are a developer, you have to become everyone's personal unpaid tech support person?
As globatron already indicated, he didn't say he wouldn't help anyone. He just posted some steps to try if you have issues, before bombarding him with PMs. He will still help, and I have seen him help numerous people by opening up a team viewersession, and getting it done through all hours of the night. Is there any forum in the entire internet where a total stranger will give you such help? Not just for smartphones/tablets, but for ANYTHING?
I also don't see the point in coming on here and pigeon-holing your critics as being high-schoolers, and bragging about how you are so rich that you don't care of you brick your Flyer.
No clear cut procedure to update to HC? About 5or 10 minutes of browsing and reading and you would have found that globatron's guide is the way to go. And he was kind enough to spoon feed you the link. All you have to do is download the file and run the .exe. How much easier could it be?
I haven't experienced any system or browser crashes on HC. I'm also puzzled about some people's comments on sluggishness. HC is very snappy for me. Everything seems as responsive as GB. Which is impressive, considering HC is heavier on eye candy and animations. As far as game/app compatibility, it depends on what apps you use. I haven't experienced any compatibility issues. All the core non-game apps I use run exactly as they do on GB. I don't play a huge number of games, but the ones I do play work fine. I know there are some games out there that have issues (Gameloft in particular?). But if the ones you use are compatible, it doesn't matter.
HC is a completely different OS experience from GB, designed for tablet screens rather then a small phone screen. The launcher and menus are all laid out taking advantage of the increased screen real estate. Not sure if its important to you, but the pen integration is hugely increased, and works on many apps, not just Notes and PDFs.
GB was a perfectly functional OS. But it was really just an incremental update of Froyo. HC feels much more refined. While using the Flyer with GB made it feel like just a really big smartphone, HC actually makes it feel like something a step above that. If you don't like the update, its not that hard to roll it back to GB.
Firstly - respect and kudos to the devs and experts that help those of us who are less informed about android and the flyer.
But, I do share something of the OPs sentiment.
The HC upgrade is a pros and cons thing; with the loss of function keys and some reported incompatibilities and some users reporting a slow down.
It is a balance of pros and cons.
The HC upgrade is a step into the unknown and there is no easy downgrade path (which maintains your warranty if you get into difficulty). So it is a plunge... and I too have not yet taken it.
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Firstly - respect and kudos to the devs and experts that help those of us who are less informed about android and the flyer.
But, I do share something of the OPs sentiment.
The HC upgrade is a pros and cons thing; with the loss of function keys and some reported incompatibilities and some users reporting a slow down.
It is a balance of pros and cons.
The HC upgrade is a step into the unknown and there is no easy downgrade path (which maintains your warranty if you get into difficulty). So it is a plunge... and I too have not yet taken it.
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I believe leedroids hc Rom has hardware key functionality but I havent tried it. And on behalf of us overly enthusiastic end users who frequent these forums, big thanks to globatron and all the other devs for giving us all that they do.
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Big_O said:
Being a dev has it's responsibilities. Telling users to stop asking for help in an open forum is frigging disgraceful. Forums are for helping people not telling people to shut up.
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Big_O said:
There are many developers (myself included). I'm not in high school and probably more experienced in the real world than some of these college kids hoping I'll brick my device. It's a $300 tablet that is fun to play with. It's a grain of sand on the beach compared to my other toys. If it bricks will throw it away and get another one.
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To be honest guys, this thread could have been helpful for people who are still decided whether they should upgrade to HC or not. Or at least a good thread for discussion. I personally enjoy reading people's opinion regarding this topic as I'm currently attempting to enjoy HC.
And although I agree with some of you, the OP voiced his opinion and you guys responded by flaming him from the start..
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Scabes24 said:
To be honest guys, this thread could have been helpful for people who are still decided whether they should upgrade to HC or not. Or at least a good thread for discussion. I personally enjoy reading people's opinion regarding this topic as I'm currently attempting to enjoy HC.
And although I agree with some of you, the OP voiced his opinion and you guys responded by flaming him from the start..
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I think the OP's opinion on the pros and cons of HC is respected by all. It was his labelling of globatron as a whiner that is totally unacceptable especially since he got most of his facts about the issue wrong.
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http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apollo-update-not-coming-to-current-windows-phones
Not looking too promising eh?
AndyFZ1S said:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/apollo-update-not-coming-to-current-windows-phones
Not looking too promising eh?
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I smell BS since this "news" is only a day after another "insider" said it was coming to all WP7 devices.
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I smell BS since this "news" is only a day after another "insider" said it was coming to all WP7 devices.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/19/2959707/microsoft-developer-evangelist-retracts-mango-apollo
whoops.
Trust nothing and no one until the fat lady sings.....
theguy said:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/19/2959707/microsoft-developer-evangelist-retracts-mango-apollo
whoops.
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Verge has become an Android-wh*@# recently. They are hungry for the clicks and hence their anti-Lumia articles. Then they followed it up with anti-Windows Phone and this. I would say, if you own anything but Windows Phone, only then you should read Verge. Their sources always want to be unnamed and always want to be anonymous!
Atleast that dude was filmed and we know him! - I trust what I see. Even if he joked he had balls unlike verge's anonymous people they make up!
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Verge has become an Android-wh*@# recently. They are hungry for the clicks and hence their anti-Lumia articles. Then they followed it up with anti-Windows Phone and this. I would say, if you own anything but Windows Phone, only then you should read Verge. Their sources always want to be unnamed and always want to be anonymous!
Atleast that dude was filmed and we know him! - I trust what I see. Even if he joked he had balls unlike verge's anonymous people they make up!
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Well that article points out how the guy in the video has retracted what he said in the video. Here's the original link:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/nunos/archive/2012/04/19/my-comments-on-windows-phone.aspx
Imagine all the people that went and got the Lumia and all the money wasted on advertisement only to say.. Nope that phone we threw at you telling you its the best won't see Apollo... Here buy this one instead. Along with the Titan One/Two. Businesses have made stupid mistakes and Microsoft might do another dumb move and spit on your faces.
Only take what comes officially from Microsoft not some websites with no affiliation or some lonely employee.
I am pretty sure none of us will and should get an "Apollo". We clearly don't have specs for that.
However, what we will get is skinned Apollo. We are sure to get all the features of the OS e.g.
1) better multitasking
2) better UI consistancy (if applied)
3) better integration of features (plus additional ones)
4) better or/and faster IE
5) better bluetooth support
These stuff don't need all that extra hardware specs, so we could safely have them.
The rumours of Lumia 610, 800 being tested with Apollo could well be true considering the above could be applied with no extra hardware that comes with Apollo.
Let us keep in mind that Android users are the most ignored for official upgrades (unless you come to XDA).
The article reads like they HOPE MS leaves current hardware behind for Apollo.
Looking at the Tango update and the fact you will be able to send MMS video& ting , As long as we get a few other treats thrown in then I don't think I will be that bothered if I get an Apollo related update or not, TBH I was extremely happy with my HD2 but upgrades and progress lead me over to the Darkside of WP7 and although I suffered from boredom before nodo and see it through to Mango I don't think It will ever be what everyone wants, There will always be a better handset on the horizon and if it turns out MS don't fully deliver then simply change platform.
I too am not bothered about the apollo update if it does not reach the Titan. I too am more than happy with the OS as it stands.