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Has anyone figured out if its possible to use the ExtUSB (sync) port as a USB host port? I'm guessing the communication lines could be controlled with software, but that you would have to use an externally powered USB hub (or devices that are externally powered) unless the +/- charge lines are 2-way.
techntrek said:
Has anyone figured out if its possible to use the ExtUSB (sync) port as a USB host port? I'm guessing the communication lines could be controlled with software, but that you would have to use an externally powered USB hub (or devices that are externally powered) unless the +/- charge lines are 2-way.
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I don'ty know the answer, but... what for? The X7500 has the cable to allow USB devices connect to the USB host... so? And for sure you will need a cable to convert mini USB to female regular USB... so is not a matter of money or carring a cable I guess.
Mostly techie curiosity. I figured since someone already figured out how to reroute internet sharing to make a wifi host, someone else must have looked at that normal-looking usb port and thought about making it work like a usb host. I'm a programmer but I don't have time to work on that...
techntrek said:
Mostly techie curiosity. I figured since someone already figured out how to reroute internet sharing to make a wifi host, someone else must have looked at that normal-looking usb port and thought about making it work like a usb host. I'm a programmer but I don't have time to work on that...
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unfortunatly the chip that does that feature is not capable of that.
if you look at the schematics of a root hub it has 1 main chip that is the hub controller, and slave chips for each of the ports. a device interface has a diffrent type of chip that's intended to be connected to a root hub connection port. thusly no software fix could be made too convert a port intended to be a connection point into a root hub port
mind you the 4-in 1 cabloe is cheap enough and i saw at least 1 site via google that had a usb port only cable for the sepcial connector
so is worth looking at that.
Hey - do you have the details of the company selling this 'usb only' cable?
Thanks for the input. Just curious if it could be done, I hadn't tried to look up the schematics. I second the request for the info on the usb-only cable, that would be perfect since they already gave us a vga cable...
Would this "USB cable" allow me to use a 149GB externally HDD caddy like I managed on my Dell x51v Axim's CF to USB slot, as the 4 in 1 cable isn't cutting it?
Thankz
There are lots of posts related to external HD and X7500... in general most of them (99'99%) don't work properly. In the webpages from HTC said that the 4-in-1 cable only admit mouse, keyboard and pen-drives.
My question is, can you use your webtop app through usb? I want to use webdock on my lap top but my lap top does not have an hdmi port, I'm running the mod for just hdmi without the dock. Anyone have any idea how to do it?
not possible. USB is not an HDMI port and they serve completely different functions.
EDIT: also, even if your laptop had an HDMI port it wouldn't work, because that would be an HDMI-out port, not HDMI-in.
How does the desk dock for your pc work then? I figured it had to be through usb
Suk0tt0 said:
How does the desk dock for your pc work then? I figured it had to be through usb
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it works through the same type of connector that a monitor uses, DVI or VGA. USB does not transmit video to displays.
In short, the dock is needed right?
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In short, the dock is needed right?
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an HDMI cable is needed, and as most laptops are, you can't input a display onto it so your options for running at on your laptop are near-zero.
Not one to relax and enjoy the spoils of war after conquering the Wall/Car charger mystery I have decided to move on to the subject of USB host without the dock. Sorry if I am duplicating other similar threads but starting a new thread helps me through the process of testing. I'm hoping the asus USB host adapter will be out soon so I can gut it like tuna but till then it is back to the rig I used for the charger probing.
Update 10/16/2011
So what we actually now know.
1. USB host mode requires a board found in the USB Host adapter from Asus
2. Some users are having issues with the adapter staying connected. Bad design IMO, too big of a device to be hanging off the tablet connected to thumb drives and other devices.
3. 5V is being supplied to usb devices, I have not personally verified this but will soon.
Some options
1. Build USB Host "Dongle" with connector and USB adapter.
Sounds like people are having disconnection issues, a dongle might be a better solution for that taking the pressure off the connector on the TF and move it down a wire to dongle connector. This will be my first build since it shouldn't be to difficult.
2. Machine a small attachable dock that sits at the bottom of the TF which contains the host adapter, memory cart reader slots and USB ports.
I love this idea but will take time and money I don't have at the moment. BUT drawings are already done and I'm having my machinist put it on his to do list at the bottom. Prototype in 45 days but no promises.
3. Modding a TF to contain the host adapter internally.
This requires you to open up your TF and install the board and a connector. A daunting task for anyone with even good circuit board and fabrication skills. Best person for this job is Bob, but is there space in the case?
Additional Thread and Web resource links
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18474358#post18474358
First Mod, Host Adapter dongle.
While building this on I'll looking in to the capability of charging the TF while using the host adapter.
USB adapter shows up tomorrow and I hit the ground running. Pics and updates to come. Stay tuned!
Hey,
Any updates on this? I would love to see a solution to connect USB devices without needing a dock.
Waiting for the official adaptor might take a while: Asus Australia confirmed that the adaptor is not coming any time soon (and maybe never to AUS at all), Asus Germany can't give a specific date.
DevCake said:
Not one to relax and enjoy the spoils of war after conquering the Wall/Car charger mystery I have decided to move on to the subject of USB host without the dock. Sorry if I am duplicating other similar threads but starting a new thread helps me through the process of testing. I'm hoping the asus USB host adapter will be out soon so I can gut it like tuna but till then it is back to the rig I used for the charger probing.
So what do we know
1. Connecting a USB 2.0 female to female coupler using the factor sync/charge cable from the Table to other USB devices does not work.
2. Asus will be releasing an adapter that allows for USB host features and this tells us it can be done.
3. Asus used some of the usb 3.0 pins to show termination from the tablet to start charging at 15V so this method might be in practice for the usb host function.
I've done a little monitoring of data pins on the factory cable but see no difference between when a device is and is not connected. I have a feeling we are dealing with 2 things, 5v power from the tablet to power the usb device and a pin termination to trigger the host function.
~DC
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you can use USB3.0 female to female coupler
paulpll007 said:
you can use USB3.0 female to female coupler
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Have you tried with this adaptor? Do es it works?
Anyone with a USB 3.0 female to female adapter yet?
gordec said:
Anyone with a USB 3.0 female to female adapter yet?
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Following the OP's logic..
I do not believe that a Female to Female USB3 would be enough. I suspect and trying to locate one is a pain that you will need not only a USB3 AF to AF but also a USB3 Powered Hub (or USB 3 Powered Device) as the TF cable does not supply power..
I tried the USB 2 AF to AF path with my powered hub and can confirm it does not work, TF will mount fine on PC via the HUB so it is not a connection problem so I suspect like the OP that we need all the magic pins of a USB3 connection which logically would also mean we all the magic of a USB3 hub (or device) as well..
I cannot find a USB3 AF to Micro AF cable anyplace (They are all male) so even if I can get my hands on a USB3 powered hub (which are also rare) I could not complete this experiment..
I suspect the lack of the OP's postings would also indicate they are having the same trouble as well..
So in summary, I strongly believe we need USB3 Powered Hub + USB 3 Cable from the Hub to the TF Cable
Anyone got those?
Well I done some searching and found these two that should provide all the right specifications for the TF but I am starting to have some significant doubts that this is all worth it considering this is only a theoretical solution based on USB3 pins logic vs just pay the $149 price tag and get the keyboard dock that we know will work..
USB 3.0 Adapter (A Female to Micro B male)
http://www.usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=1882
ICY BOX 4 Port USB 3.0 Hub
http://www.icybox.com.tw/page/product_accessories/product_accessories-ib-ac610.htm
*sighs*
As I posted in the other usb host thread, the USB adaptor is listed in a German online shop: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103784
I just want to know when that damn Asus USB dongle is releasing. I don't need the keyboard dock. Already have a 13.3 laptop.
the same site has also in stock the sd adapter (nice for my photo machine, avail at 19€ as well), and the minidock (2 usb + stand) at 29€.
The sleeve is avail at 34.90€, the vga cable at 29€, and a travel kit at 39€.
Everithing is said being available in 2-4 days...
Last week was baja 500 prep for my but i'm back and moving forward with testing.
Don't waste your time with the female 3.0 adapter. The tablet is using one of the 40 pins on the proprietary adapter to look for termination from the keyboard dock to activate the USB host function. This is my theory but I still will test all 9 of the 3.0 pins.
The only way I will be able to test all 40 pins on the tablet connector is to either find a bare connector or wait for the asus usb adapter and open it. I'll start lookng for a bare connector next Week
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~DC
So no new solutions for hosting on the TF? No new information about the adapter?
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...on-cable-Micro-SD-card-cable-wholesalers.html
maxmen123 said:
So no new solutions for hosting on the TF? No new information about the adapter?
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Nothing yet on either. The adapter from Asus has not shown up anywhere and I'm still in testing mode for a DIY solution.
vaystikh said:
Hello guys,
Does anyone try this:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-g...on-cable-Micro-SD-card-cable-wholesalers.html
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I don't see a reason why that won't work but my focus is to activate the host function so that USB devices will be recognized and accessible.
DevCake said:
Last week was baja 500 prep for my but i'm back and moving forward with testing.
Don't waste your time with the female 3.0 adapter. The tablet is using one of the 40 pins on the proprietary adapter to look for termination from the keyboard dock to activate the USB host function. This is my theory but I still will test all 9 of the 3.0 pins.
~DC
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Thanks DevCake looking forward to seeing some more results.. I would not be surprised if your theory is correct.. I not gone down the Female adapter path yet until we can verify exactly why USB Host is not being enabled..
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Nothing yet on either. The adapter from Asus has not shown up anywhere and I'm still in testing mode for a DIY solution.
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The adapter has shown up in a German online shop (cyberport.de, search for "usb extension kit" or "sd extension kit") and is listed as in Stock. I wrote them an email to get confirmation that they really have it in Stock and shippable. Maybe somebody in Germany can make a teardown and show us the internals!
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The adapter has shown up in a German online shop (cyberport.de, search for "usb extension kit" or "sd extension kit") and is listed as in Stock. I wrote them an email to get confirmation that they really have it in Stock and shippable. Maybe somebody in Germany can make a teardown and show us the internals!
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If you google "1D09-36X" it comes up with other EU sites that carry it. Hopefully it won't be long till we get it in the US.
Does anyone happen to know the type/model/name of the connector is.
Maybe we can find something that is the same pin config and cut it open and splice in a usb 3.0 female cable.
I've spliced many a cable together for similar purposes, just need the connector end.
We as reseller have direct contact with asus. I called today Asus Netherlands about the usb host adapter.
Atm this moment there only 2 accessoires on the market, which are as follow:
- Asus Sleeve
- Asus Dock
The Sales Manager at Asus Netherlands told me that several other people asked for the USB Host adapter also. They said it wont be on the market until 3th quarter of the year (Aug/Sept/Oct).
Asus Taiwain puts these items on the market. Asus Taiwan understands that there is some demand for this USB Adapter.
So, we have to wait until 3th qaurter 2011 or try to fabricate something ourselfs or wait for some crazy chinese which puts something similiar on the market.
I don't buy Transformers enclosed dock so I could try to create a USB host port for the machine. I use two USB host connected to each other (as shown) with the correct wire colors including red, black, blue and white.
However, it does not work, exactly what the machine does not respond when the USB plug. I thought maybe it needs a 5V source to power USB operation, but do not know how.
Who can help me this? Thanks.
Did you try an USB3 Female-to-Female adaptor?
I am pretty sure it uses different pins for dock. Also, I have a feeling that USB host hardware is located in the keyboard, because when dock is detached I only see 1 USB port in console, instead of 3. However, it's probably possible to somehow switch that port to a host mode.
Added: Nwm, lsusb works a bit different than on desktop linux. It only shows host port when something is attached to it. So, there are 4 USBs on transformer. 1 usb client, and 3 hosts.(probably a usb hub in the keyboard) So, it looks like there is host on the tablet itself, just need to find the correct pins.
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Did you try an USB3 Female-to-Female adaptor?
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I don't know the female-to-female USB, but I think that I am creating is it.
I think the problem lies in the cord is too long may not get external USB device. Is there a way to grant more power to it?
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I think the problem lies in the cord is too long may not get external USB device. Is there a way to grant more power to it?
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-_- The problems lies in the fact that it's not a USB HOST.
HungSanity said:
I don't buy Transformers enclosed dock so I could try to create a USB host port for the machine. I use two USB host connected to each other (as shown) with the correct wire colors including red, black, blue and white.
However, it does not work, exactly what the machine does not respond when the USB plug. I thought maybe it needs a 5V source to power USB operation, but do not know how.
Who can help me this? Thanks.
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Don't put to much time, effort and energy into this.
Read the following:
Comming Asus Transformer accesories
JEV66 said:
Don't put to much time, effort and energy into this.
Read the following:
Comming Asus Transformer accesories
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for these.
fader01 said:
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for these.
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Yeah, to be quite honest Asus completely blows as far as hardware support for this product is concerned. It's hard enough trying to find a REPLACEMENT charger let alone hold out hope of aftermarket accessories.
And the adapter looks huge. I prefer a cable.
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-_- The problems lies in the fact that it's not a USB HOST.
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Are you sure? There are a lot of signal wires in the 40 pin cable. It makes more sense if there is at least one host among some of those wires. If we grab power off the three + power lines in the 40 pin proprietary plug we could drive a small hub.
I was hoping to see some of these (hundreds available from dealextreme.com) modded for the tablet.
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Are you sure? There are a lot of signal wires in the 40 pin cable. It makes more sense if there is at least one host among some of those wires. If we grab power off the three + power lines in the 40 pin proprietary plug we could drive a small hub.
I was hoping to see some of these (hundreds available from dealextreme.com) modded for the tablet.
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Wait too long accessories. Testing this stuff is very interesting though unsuccessful, hehe. I'm looking for a USB host power supply itself to see why. Hope everything good change.
Bob Smith42 said:
Are you sure? There are a lot of signal wires in the 40 pin cable. It makes more sense if there is at least one host among some of those wires. If we grab power off the three + power lines in the 40 pin proprietary plug we could drive a small hub.
I was hoping to see some of these (hundreds available from dealextreme.com) modded for the tablet.
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Yes, there is definitely a USB host on that 40 pin connector, but the way OP connected cable won't work because that connector on the cable only connects to the USB client. In other words, it uses wrong pins.
I'd offer some help but the forum rules state your post has to be in English.
Hi together,
ive asked me if it is possible to use an adapter for 1x micro usb (plug) -> 2x micro usb (jack).
Could the phone handle 2 USB devices at the same time?
Maybe then it is possible to use the HDMI output and the USB host parallel?
For example to use an TV as screen and an HDD as the source for a movie.
This would be nice.
Thanks in advance.
macc
When the connector is used for HDMI I doubt it can be used as USB at the same time, I'n sorry.
Maybe in a few months cyanogenmod provides a hack, if there will be an dual adapter soon.
We will see. Thank you.
macc
The hardware needs to allow this if it'd become possible. You need a really smart USB dongle that knows how to split the HDMI output from the USB output.
Sounds a little too difficult to ever happen.
Hmm thats right. I think i still dream xD
But thank you.
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it is not possible. because as stated on this forum many times before, the type of usb connection is determined by the resistor between pin 4 and 5 of the micro usb connector. the strength can tell the phone, that there is either a charger, a pc connection, car kit, jig, usb otg or mhl connection present.
and i believe, this is an important thing to keep in mind for so many things:
for instance, why the original car kit triggers car mode and generic car charging cables don't or why not just any micro usb male to usb a female will work as a otg cable or why flashing should be done with the original usb cable...
so if you were to buy or build a micro usb hub, since it has no resistor in the very plug that connects to the phone, it cannot be used for anything but charging and quite frankly, i wouldn't connect more than one charger to the phone.
however, if you want to use your phone for presentations or watching movies and still be able to use it, get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse or a bluetooth presenter or do it the other way around and use a usb input device and transfer your media using allshare. everything else is physically impossible, so neither CM nor XDA can do anything about it. the only device that can do what you want is the new motorola. it has a separate micro usb and micro hdmi port and a docking station, so you can use it as a full notebook.
Thats obvious. Thank you.
macc