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So when I go to the local Sprint store, they recommend the PDANet app as a way to tether for free. Great. I use it on the laptop. Works fine. But if I simply want to eliminate the USB cable and do exactly the same thing, they charge a dollar a day to eliminate the USB cable? I can't be the only one who thinks this is excessive!
So what are we really paying for when we pay for Sprint Hotspot? Whenever someone mentions rooting and using free wifi tether, there's always the "but you're stealing from Sprint" excuse. How can that be? My free wired tether (officially recommended by Sprint employees) is using exactly the same amount of Sprint's 3G bandwidth as it is when I use a free wireless tether app on root. So we know it isn't the data we're paying for. We're paying Sprint $30/mo for the privilege of not using a USB cable? I know it's possible that several (potentially many) devices could connect via a wifi access point, but technically if you know what you are doing, you can share an access point on a laptop easily too once you've connected the phone via the USB cable.
So I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Why couldn't Sprint at least offer a single-connection hotspot option for FREE? It's obvious that Sprint wants to be seen as the "unlimited" provider. Giving the option to at least wirelessly tether a single device would put them in the lead. DO IT SPRINT!
Mike
mikeyxda said:
So when I go to the local Sprint store, they recommend the PDANet app as a way to tether for free. Great. I use it on the laptop. Works fine. But if I simply want to eliminate the USB cable and do exactly the same thing, they charge a dollar a day to eliminate the USB cable? I can't be the only one who thinks this is excessive!
So what are we really paying for when we pay for Sprint Hotspot? Whenever someone mentions rooting and using free wifi tether, there's always the "but you're stealing from Sprint" excuse. How can that be? My free wired tether (officially recommended by Sprint employees) is using exactly the same amount of Sprint's 3G bandwidth as it is when I use a free wireless tether app on root. So we know it isn't the data we're paying for. We're paying Sprint $30/mo for the privilege of not using a USB cable? I know it's possible that several (potentially many) devices could connect via a wifi access point, but technically if you know what you are doing, you can share an access point on a laptop easily too once you've connected the phone via the USB cable.
So I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Why couldn't Sprint at least offer a single-connection hotspot option for FREE? It's obvious that Sprint wants to be seen as the "unlimited" provider. Giving the option to at least wirelessly tether a single device would put them in the lead. DO IT SPRINT!
Mike
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You probably got the one either retarded, or just nice and down to earth rep. Spring does not sanction the use of any tethering app, that's why they charge to use the built in one. Whoever told you that shouldn't have done so.
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You probably got the one either retarded, or just nice and down to earth rep. Spring does not sanction the use of any tethering app, that's why they charge to use the built in one. Whoever told you that shouldn't have done so.
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The app is in the market and doesn't require root. If they have a problem with Google's market and the apps within, then they should not run the Android OS. Sprint is just trying to sucker people by charging for this free feature.
fmedina2 said:
The app is in the market and doesn't require root. If they have a problem with Google's market and the apps within, then they should not run the Android OS. Sprint is just trying to sucker people by charging for this free feature.
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While this is true, they still don't condone tethering without paying for the hotspot. It's not unheard of for Sprint to drop customers over excessive data usage due to tethering.
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While this is true, they still don't condone tethering without paying for the hotspot. It's not unheard of for Sprint to drop customers over excessive data usage due to tethering.
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How would that work legally? It is a free app in the marketplace.
Sprint, and all other ISPs, have to pay for the bandwidth we use. When they offer us an "unlimited" plan they make a calculated guess as to how much data we may actually use and price their plan accordingly. They then hope we don't use too much.
However, the ability to tether throws the isps for a loop because of the potential for using so much more data. So they charge us an additional fee to cover the "excessive" bandwidth costs!
Of course they will never admit that the cost is for bandwidth since we are supposedly getting "unlimited". Its a catch-22 of lies for everyone.
Frankly, I get that bandwidth costs money. But I think its BS for a company to sell us unlimited data and then charge extra if we actually use it.
Either way, once this thing is rooted we will get around it.
Richard
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mikeyxda said:
So when I go to the local Sprint store, they recommend the PDANet app as a way to tether for free. Great. I use it on the laptop. Works fine. But if I simply want to eliminate the USB cable and do exactly the same thing, they charge a dollar a day to eliminate the USB cable? I can't be the only one who thinks this is excessive!
So what are we really paying for when we pay for Sprint Hotspot? Whenever someone mentions rooting and using free wifi tether, there's always the "but you're stealing from Sprint" excuse. How can that be? My free wired tether (officially recommended by Sprint employees) is using exactly the same amount of Sprint's 3G bandwidth as it is when I use a free wireless tether app on root. So we know it isn't the data we're paying for. We're paying Sprint $30/mo for the privilege of not using a USB cable? I know it's possible that several (potentially many) devices could connect via a wifi access point, but technically if you know what you are doing, you can share an access point on a laptop easily too once you've connected the phone via the USB cable.
So I guess I don't get it. What am I missing? Why couldn't Sprint at least offer a single-connection hotspot option for FREE? It's obvious that Sprint wants to be seen as the "unlimited" provider. Giving the option to at least wirelessly tether a single device would put them in the lead. DO IT SPRINT!
Mike
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Sprint's terms & conditions specifically prohibit tethering, unless paying for a plan that specifically allows for tethering. A Sprint rep telling you that you can tether for free doesn't suddenly change this fact. It might give you some leeway if you're caught tethering, but you're still against the T&C of your service.
I would prefer legitimately being able to tether without paying extra, but Sprint has the right to charge for it.
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How would that work legally? It is a free app in the marketplace.
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PDAnet isn't free, you have to buy the app or at least the full version. And Sprint can't ban the app because it can be used on many platforms and many devices so how do you think Sprint can ban it from the Android Market, Sprint doesn't own the Market, Google does.
Your whole argument in this thread is invalid. Sprint has every right to charge for its services and if you don't want to pay for them don't. If there are legit ways to get around the charges than do it. Don't whine here.
Good points and that's kinda why I brought it up. You have to wonder about both the present and the future of paid wireless tethering. I'm hoping soon that Sprint will lead the way to free tethering by announcing that they are the only company who now offers free wifi hotspots. Imagine how many people would switch THEN!
For now, we have free wired tethering that Sprint employees are (maybe "unofficially") supporting but yet you have to pay to do the same thing without the wire. And then there's the Nexus S which can do free wireless tether right out of the box as a standard feature. Sprint sets those up for you too, activates the phone, and you walk out of the store with a phone that does for free what they are charging us Evo 3D owners $30/mo for.
You gotta wonder WTF is up with the status of wireless tethering here.
Mike
mikeyxda said:
Good points and that's kinda why I brought it up. You have to wonder about both the present and the future of paid wireless tethering. I'm hoping soon that Sprint will lead the way to free tethering by announcing that they are the only company who now offers free wifi hotspots. Imagine how many people would switch THEN!
For now, we have free wired tethering that Sprint employees are (maybe "unofficially") supporting but yet you have to pay to do the same thing without the wire. And then there's the Nexus S which can do free wireless tether right out of the box as a standard feature. Sprint sets those up for you too, activates the phone, and you walk out of the store with a phone that does for free what they are charging us Evo 3D owners $30/mo for.
You gotta wonder WTF is up with the status of wireless tethering here.
Mike
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They charge you because they can. There is no other reason. They set the price as high as they think they can and still get a decent number of people to bite. The only reason the Nexus S does it for free out of the box is because Google didn't let Sprint tamper with the software and disable the feature.
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PDAnet isn't free, you have to buy the app or at least the full version. And Sprint can't ban the app because it can be used on many platforms and many devices so how do you think Sprint can ban it from the Android Market, Sprint doesn't own the Market, Google does.
Your whole argument in this thread is invalid. Sprint has every right to charge for its services and if you don't want to pay for them don't. If there are legit ways to get around the charges than do it. Don't whine here.
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AT&T & Verizon (from what I know) do in fact have tethering apps filtered out of the market on their service...
...I recall hearing that Sprint had a non-anti-tether-app policy, officially. I'm pretty sure I heard that on Androidcentral, but don't remember specifically.
Just don't abuse your tethering.
Though, truth be told, I could saturate that wimpy 3G connection with pandora and basic web surfing--on my phone....so I don't see what the big deal is...and 4G isn't metered by Sprint.
I say keep tethering, hopefully Sprint will overcompensate for the extra bandwidth people are abusing.
I've used the wireless tethering before sprint even started charging for it so screw them. If anything they're stealing from the devs who made the original app by charging such a ridiculous amount for something that's available for free.
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XxDjbluexX said:
I've used the wireless tethering before sprint even started charging for it so screw them. If anything they're stealing from the devs who made the original app by charging such a ridiculous amount for something that's available for free.
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That's some jacked up logic, dude.
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The app is in the market and doesn't require root. If they have a problem with Google's market and the apps within, then they should not run the Android OS. Sprint is just trying to sucker people by charging for this free feature.
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rofl your on their network though and you sign a contract stating you won't.
Bottom line is this: There is only so much bandwidth to go around. You can't just pretend that the airwaves are limitless and "corporate greed" is the reason we can't go nuts with data usage. Fact is that if everybody did this, nobody would be able to have decent quality of service. It would be like trying to have a hundred people squeeze through a door at once. It's just a matter of physics, it can't be done.
Right now when it comes to wireless tethering, sprint is simply looking the other way. There are many things that they could be doing to stop it, and they are aware of these things (verizon and at&t implement many countermeasures) but they don't use any of them. Why exactly this is, I don't really know, but I'd wager to guess that they want to appeal to users like us who don't want to go to other carriers just because of the little things like this.
However they can't go to the opposite extreme and outright allow it, simply because if they did this, people WOULD go nuts with their data usage, and sprint couldn't afford that. So this is their middle ground: saying don't do it, but looking the other way when you do, and if you go overboard, they tell you to go with another provider.
And personally, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I give props to sprint for doing that.
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PDAnet isn't free, you have to buy the app or at least the full version. And Sprint can't ban the app because it can be used on many platforms and many devices so how do you think Sprint can ban it from the Android Market, Sprint doesn't own the Market, Google does.
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Sprint can ask Google to hide the app from sprint users, much in the same way that at&t and verizon asked google to hide the wifi tethering apps from their respective users, and google did exactly that.
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Bottom line is this: There is only so much bandwidth to go around. You can't just pretend that the airwaves are limitless and "corporate greed" is the reason we can't go nuts with data usage. Fact is that if everybody did this, nobody would be able to have decent quality of service. It would be like trying to have a hundred people squeeze through a door at once. It's just a matter of physics, it can't be done.
Right now when it comes to wireless tethering, sprint is simply looking the other way. There are many things that they could be doing to stop it, and they are aware of these things (verizon and at&t implement many countermeasures) but they don't use any of them. Why exactly this is, I don't really know, but I'd wager to guess that they want to appeal to users like us who don't want to go to other carriers just because of the little things like this.
However they can't go to the opposite extreme and outright allow it, simply because if they did this, people WOULD go nuts with their data usage, and sprint couldn't afford that. So this is their middle ground: saying don't do it, but looking the other way when you do, and if you go overboard, they tell you to go with another provider.
And personally, I wouldn't have it any other way, and I give props to sprint for doing that.
Sprint can ask Google to hide the app from sprint users, much in the same way that at&t and verizon asked google to hide the wifi tethering apps from their respective users, and google did exactly that.
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Well said...
What about how the nexus s 4G (which I had for a couple weeks) that has wired and wireless tether built into the stock android, without sprint blocking it? Hoe come that is exempt from the t&c?
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if you need justification to pay 30 bucks, good luck. You will never get it, atleast not from sprint. Everyone does it, atleast sprint gives you unlimited for 30 bucks.
it is what it is and it has been for a while now. If you want to legally use the phone as a hotspot you have to shell out 30 bucks. Yes its a *****, so is life.
tjb3401 said:
What about how the nexus s 4G (which I had for a couple weeks) that has wired and wireless tether built into the stock android, without sprint blocking it? Hoe come that is exempt from the t&c?
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Not sure but seeing as its built in to the phone, since Google doesn't let them touch the software, you can use it on the NS.
I have an AT&T Galaxy S II "grandfathered in", meaning I get Unlimited Data for $30 per month.
I'm looking for a way to tether the HSPA+ connection to my iPad and MacBook. I use to do this on my iPhone 4 via PDANet. I can recall PDANet having an option which "stealth's" the connection, making it seem as traffic is going through the phone instead of another device instead. This way, you can get past AT&T's stupid restrictions and use your devices data plan to tether to other devices. I use to use about 30GB-50GB of 3G Data per month tethering and never had any problems!
I downloaded PDANet through the Market, but cannot find any "stealth" setting, neither can I find a way to tether wirelesses.
To sum this up: I'm looking for a way to tether my Galaxy S II's wireless connection wirelessly (making a wireless hotspot and having other devices connect to it). I want to do this while bypassing AT&T extra overpriced tethering fees; using my unlimited data plan instead.
Note: I can easily root my device. Actually, I'm about to now! (Booting Windows 8 rig)
Thank you for the help! XDA FTW!
Search is your friend. There have been million threads about this.
AT&T analyses the data patterns of what's being transmitted to determine whether someone's tethering. I have no idea how accurate it is but my guess is if you're a high data user you'll probably get flagged.
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AT&T analyses the data patterns of what's being transmitted to determine whether someone's tethering. I have no idea how accurate it is but my guess is if you're a high data user you'll probably get flagged.
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That's probably one contributing factor - their detection methods probably consume enough resources that they're not enabled in most cases until something flags you for investigation.
However I do know of at least one light tetherer (approx. 1GB usage) that apparently got nailed.
Just an update: I found out about Barnacle Wifi Tether, which seems to be my best bet. Two problems:
1. I'm not rooted (SuperOneClick is hanging while trying to root, but I do have a new kernel running). SuperOneClick hangs on "waiting for device". USB Debugging is checked in my settings and I have tried unplugging the device, turning off USB debugging, turning USB Debugging back on, then plugging the device back in. NO GO. Does anybody happen to know what my problem could be? I'm running the program as Admin on Windows 8 x64; running on a good rig.
2. "This item is not available on your carrier." SMD, AT&T. I'm sure there is a way around this - by downloading the APK elsewhere, perhaps? Any two cents on this?
Google has a Tether app. Does everything for you.
No, I don't have the link. No, I won't search for it. Why? Because people like you that use 30-50GB a month are the reason AT&T started cracking down on tethering. It's thanks to you that tethering plans are so expensive and why they keep trying to nail people that tether. I rarely tether but I use my phone pretty heavily and I still very rarely break 3GB a month. 30-50GB is stupidly excessive. Hope they backcharge you.
+1 on this ^^^
I never tether and use 6-8 GB a month using Pandora 5+ hours a day.
In the captivate forum someone claimed it was tracked down to the browser user agent. If you use IE they look for that browser agent. There was also someone that used the IE user agent data in the android browser to force desktop view and got a warning to stop tethering even though they never had. That might explain why you never got noticed with your iPhone, if you used safari on your Mac.
I don't think we'll ever know for sure how att sniffs it out, I bet they keep it under tight wraps.
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+1 on this ^^^
I never tether and use 6-8 GB a month using Pandora 5+ hours a day.
In the captivate forum someone claimed it was tracked down to the browser user agent. If you use IE they look for that browser agent. There was also someone that used the IE user agent data in the android browser to force desktop view and got a warning to stop tethering even though they never had. That might explain why you never got noticed with your iPhone, if you used safari on your Mac.
I don't think we'll ever know for sure how att sniffs it out, I bet they keep it under tight wraps.
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The User Agent on iPhone's Safari and Mac's Safari are different; but AT&T may just be stupid enough to get them mixed up
Not to mention, I use a desktop user agent on my Galaxy S II sometimes. Hmm. Makes you think.
User agents can EASILY be changed, though I can't find an option for Dolphin HD to change it...Weird.
hotleadsingerguy said:
Google has a Tether app. Does everything for you.
No, I don't have the link. No, I won't search for it. Why? Because people like you that use 30-50GB a month are the reason AT&T started cracking down on tethering. It's thanks to you that tethering plans are so expensive and why they keep trying to nail people that tether. I rarely tether but I use my phone pretty heavily and I still very rarely break 3GB a month. 30-50GB is stupidly excessive. Hope they backcharge you.
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Google's tethering App automatically activates AT&T's tethering data plan as far as I know. I went to activate it once and it said "Waiting for Activation" or something of that sort. I canceled it, though.
I don't use 30-50GB per month; that was only once and was due to my cousins watching porn and torrenting 24/7. It was actually accidental, I never knew they were using so much data until I checked my data usage one day at school to see how much I had used.
I use 4GB per month; max. Not to mention, I mainly tether to my iPad only most of the time. MacBook just isn't *that* portable.
Google Tethering in this forum instead !
Answers and solutions are already there. No, you don't need another app. Yes, you have to root your phone.
Colton127 said:
I have an AT&T Galaxy S II "grandfathered in", meaning I get Unlimited Data for $30 per month.
I'm looking for a way to tether the HSPA+ connection to my iPad and MacBook. I use to do this on my iPhone 4 via PDANet. I can recall PDANet having an option which "stealth's" the connection, making it seem as traffic is going through the phone instead of another device instead. This way, you can get past AT&T's stupid restrictions and use your devices data plan to tether to other devices. I use to use about 30GB-50GB of 3G Data per month tethering and never had any problems!
I downloaded PDANet through the Market, but cannot find any "stealth" setting, neither can I find a way to tether wirelesses.
To sum this up: I'm looking for a way to tether my Galaxy S II's wireless connection wirelessly (making a wireless hotspot and having other devices connect to it). I want to do this while bypassing AT&T extra overpriced tethering fees; using my unlimited data plan instead.
Note: I can easily root my device. Actually, I'm about to now! (Booting Windows 8 rig)
Thank you for the help! XDA FTW!
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Honestly, what a dbag. Get out of here with your 30-50gb/mth, thanks for making the rest of us suffer because you can't afford a land line.
Finally got my device rooted. It was a driver issue, damn Samsung. Somehow the PDANet installer automatically installed working drivers for me.
I installed Barncale Wifi tether from their website and hooked up my MacBook and iPad. Pretty decent speeds, but since I live out in the country (around trees and such), I won't get above 3G speeds. In my town I get about 6mbit, though.
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Honestly, what a dbag. Get out of here with your 30-50gb/mth, thanks for making the rest of us suffer because you can't afford a land line.
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The time I hit 30GB+ of usage was a LONG time ago. If I were to hit that again, then I'd be throttled at about 10GB. You aren't suffering much.
Oh, and I do have a land line. It just sucks (4mbit). That's the highest I can get where I live.
Not to mention, I can't take a land line with me.
Colton127 said:
Finally got my device rooted. It was a driver issue, damn Samsung. Somehow the PDANet installer automatically installed working drivers for me.
I installed Barncale Wifi tether from their website and hooked up my MacBook and iPad. Pretty decent speeds, but since I live out in the country (around trees and such), I won't get above 3G speeds. In my town I get about 6mbit, though.
The time I hit 30GB+ of usage was a LONG time ago. If I were to hit that again, then I'd be throttled at about 10GB. You aren't suffering much.
Oh, and I do have a land line. It just sucks (4mbit). That's the highest I can get where I live.
Not to mention, I can't take a land line with me.
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Dude just ignore them they are clearly the kind of people who think you should use the amount of data ATT thinks you should!
I on the other hand pay for unlimted so i use as much as i can and don't care what others think.
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un·lim·it·ed [ un límmitəd ]
not restricted: without limits, restrictions, or controls
infinite: lacking or appearing to lack a boundary or end
complete or total: not subject to qualification or exception
Synonyms: limitless, infinite, unrestricted, unrestrained, boundless, unconstrained, on tap, indefinite, ad nauseam, bottomless
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Dude just ignore them they are clearly the kind of people who think you should use the amount of data ATT thinks you should!
I on the other hand pay for unlimted so i use as much as i can and don't care what others think.
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un·lim·it·ed [ un límmitəd ]
not restricted: without limits, restrictions, or controls
infinite: lacking or appearing to lack a boundary or end
complete or total: not subject to qualification or exception
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+1 and I have never tethered. I was FORCED to a unlimited plan many many hears ago with a Motorola Q9h I think it was called, upgraded to a cappy grandfathered in, and now on the SGS2. So like it says I have UNLIMITED and that is exactly how it should be, directly taken from your example from a dictionary. I have ALWAYS used dolphin HD with it set to desktop and so far I have never received a warning text from them. Maybe lucky, maybe will in time, nut I WILL argue my point with them about it if/when it does come up. I understand that those who use a lot of bandwidth slow it for others but we shouldn't be able to gripe about it since most HAD TO be forced onto the unlimited plan at some point when att made us. So don't worry about others that cry about it, they GET what they pay for as do us with the UNLIMITED plan. It is just their tough luck they didn't get it when they could have.
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Flashing a custom rom and using the mobile tether ive never had a problem. Well.last september i used about 5gb tethering my touchpad and i thought that was a lot lol~ havnt flashed a custom rom on my sgs2 so cant test lol
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lordstrife said:
Dude just ignore them they are clearly the kind of people who think you should use the amount of data ATT thinks you should!
I on the other hand pay for unlimted so i use as much as i can and don't care what others think.
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un·lim·it·ed [ un límmitəd ]
not restricted: without limits, restrictions, or controls
infinite: lacking or appearing to lack a boundary or end
complete or total: not subject to qualification or exception
Synonyms: limitless, infinite, unrestricted, unrestrained, boundless, unconstrained, on tap, indefinite, ad nauseam, bottomless
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You paid for unlimited WITHOUT tethering.
Tether abusers caused AT&T to kill the unlimited plans for those who actually use our devices in a reasonable fashion, and caused AT&T to institute the advanced tethering detection mechanisms they have in place now.
As a result, those who do tether responsibly are still at risk of getting nailed because of those that didn't.
Running cognition rom I can use the native tether and no probs here
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Entropy512 said:
You paid for unlimited WITHOUT tethering.
Tether abusers caused AT&T to kill the unlimited plans for those who actually use our devices in a reasonable fashion, and caused AT&T to institute the advanced tethering detection mechanisms they have in place now.
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What killed the unlimited data plan is not directly connected to tethering. It's the fact that AT&T was unable to handle the iPhone on their network alone.
Anyways, the new plans are making them MUCH more money. For one, people can now afford a smartphone as it's only $15/month more instead of $30/month more. This has caused many of my friends to get a smartphone, upgrading from their dumbphones.
Second, users who want a lot of data will have to pay more and more.
Third, most users didn't even go over 2GB of usage.
Verzion did the exact same thing, and I do believe Sprint is too follow. Sprint's network is slow enough already.
Don't go blaming people who tethered the reason behind no unlimited plan. Blame AT&T, the greedy bastards who just wanted to make more $$$. It's not our fault, sir.
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So, I've had AT&T for quite some time and enjoyed the 'unlimited' plan for equally as long. I had a Nokia N900 and I was able to tether/share and pretty much what-ever I want. Only problem was I never got 3G speeds on it.
About a year ago I was messing with a friends Android. I slapped my SIM in the phone, rebooted, played around some and then took my SIM out and gave it back to him. About an hour later on my phone I get this text message 'You've been switched to the 2GB Smart phone plan'. WTF?!?! So I call up AT&T support and they explain why it was switched and give me back my unlimited account (once I promised them that my friends phone wouldn't show up with my SIM in it again)
This brings me to last week. I see the S2 and decide that its the new phone I want. I call up and find out under no uncertain terms that my 'unlimited' plan will be taken from me the second I upgrade to any sort of smart phone. My only option is to leave AT&T and they are fine with that.
So then I think, I'll just buy another phone and be sneaky. Just to test I drop my SIM into my blackjack II I have laying around. Check my AT&T account about an hour later and find that sure enough, I've now been switched to the Smartphone plan again. No text message, no notification, nothing. No back out options, zip, nada, zilch.
In the end I gave up. It seems almost pointless to try and play games since I'm on their network which they run and control. Sure I'm quite sad about losing my unlimited plan and would do just about anything to get it back. I even considered leaving but everyone else's 'unlimited' plans aren't unlimited once you read the small print. I'm not a huge data user, but I do tend to go a little beyond the 4GB limit since I like to stream pandora and there are times when I'll need to download an iso image for someone's computer that I'm working on remotely somewhere and can't get online. Those options are now all gone for me.
If anyone has any suggestions I've only had my phone for a few days. If I knew I could call up AT&T and get my unlimited plan back with my S2 I'd do it. But each rep I talked to on the phone said that the 'unlimited' code that I had was no longer in the system and there was nothing they could do for me (of course). How everyone else is getting away with this or holding on to their unlimited plans I've no idea.
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You paid for unlimited WITHOUT tethering.
Tether abusers caused AT&T to kill the unlimited plans for those who actually use our devices in a reasonable fashion, and caused AT&T to institute the advanced tethering detection mechanisms they have in place now.
As a result, those who do tether responsibly are still at risk of getting nailed because of those that didn't.
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Blah that's BS. We all know why they got rid of unlimited plans and created tethering plans... MONEY. Cash is king and we are pawns for them to make money off of. They could care less how much data we use. What they care about is a way to score some cash for what we use the data for. Give it time, unlimited will be back to compete for dominance over a traditional land line.
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Ok here's my scenario...I have the grandfathered unlimited data plan from At&t and I made a point of them making a note in my account before I purchased the SGS2. I rooted my phone and installed Cognition soon after. I attempted to tether before I rooted etc because the option was present while on stock, but of course a pop up appeared saying that I need to change my plan blah blah blah. Once rooted, I didn't tether because I really haven't had the need to yet...because I have wifi in my home. I will admit that I do consume a lot of data...particularly streaming and downloading content (such as roms etc directly to my device)...but that's the point of 4G unlimited data, correct? And even then a lot of the time I'm connected to wifi at home. The only thing I did differently was tried some APN settings that I seen on Android Central which were supposedly giving other SGSII users better download and upload speeds by connecting to the "backhaul". It was actually worse. So I receive an email saying that if they catch me tethering again, they will change my data plan on their own. So my question is, since I haven't actually tethered, could my actual data usage triggered the message...or since I attempted to tether...or or the APN changing...and how could I prevent them from changing it?
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Ill tell you what, if you edit this into at least 3 readable paragraphs, I promise to give you a decent response.
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I think a phone call to att should solve your issue. If they did put you on a tethering plan, they can undo it. But, you may need to get a supervisor if the unlimited plan has been removed.
From what I understand you get warned at least once before they make any changes.
Also, story perfectly understandable to me as is.
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I think a phone call to att should solve your issue. If they did put you on a tethering plan, they can undo it. But, you may need to get a supervisor if the unlimited plan has been removed.
From what I understand you get warned at least once before they make any changes.
Also, story perfectly understandable to me as is.
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See how your post had 3 easily readable paragraphs and sentences? That's what I was referring to. His wall of text hurts my brain. Maybe its because I'm reading from the app.
But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand much of anything judging by the majority of your posts on this site.
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See how your post had 3 easily readable paragraphs and sentences? That's what I was referring to. His wall of text hurts my brain. Maybe its because I'm reading from the app.
But then again I wouldn't expect you to understand much of anything judging by the majority of your posts on this site.
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Wow ... you really are living up to the nickname you had in the Atrix forum. What was it again, "third rate troll"?
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Wow ... you really are living up to the nickname you had in the Atrix forum. What was it again, "third rate troll"?
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I'm not hijacking this guys thread anymore than we already have. If you want to argue with me (and be destroyed in every imaginable way) then go ahead and shoot me a pm.
To answer the original posters questions. Att can only send you warnings about tethering if they catch on. You can do things that wont raise any flags on their end such as using less data for less lengths of time.
A better alternanative would be to mask your device id. I'm not aware of any apps that can do it on Android but PDA net can do it for Apple. Maybe someone else can Chime in on an app.
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If you do tether, it was claimed in the Captivate forum that att sniff out the browser agent for Internet Explorer, so to avoid detection to use Google Chrome, or another browser.
But, if you haven't actually tethered I would start with a call to att customer service. If they flagged your account, you should be able to sort it out over the phone.
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If tethering, either by device or plan feature, was specifically included in the plan you were grandfathered from you should be fine. If it wasn't specifically called out as included they'll charge you for the add-on. You can't grandfather something that didn't exist. In other words, if "unlimited data" didn't specifically apply to tethering and tethering as a feature was introduced afterward you'll have to pay for it.
OP, are you using the stock GSII browser? If not, that could be the culprit. As stated above, they're basing it off the browser agent. Call and say you're using a market browser with Mozilla as browser agent. That should help your case later if they end up jerking you around.
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As stated above, they're basing it off the browser agent.
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They use heuristics to sniff packet data for suspect traffic. While it's not 100%accurate, they hold the cards and it's up to you to prove your innocence.
No one knows what the new heuristics are - but something in your post-root non-tethering data usage probably set off a false positive.
Apparently a few others have had false positives and no one knows the true triggers. Good chance that mangling your browser useragent is one of them.
Call them and complain that you received a nastygram despite not attempting to tether after the app blocked it.
I have been using unlimited data for a few years. I tethered with my iphone. Used MyWi, and then PDAnet. I was contacted by them concerning my 'illegal' use of tethering.
A few weeks ago, I switched from the Iphone to the GSII. Rooted it, and almost IMMEDIATELY got a text message saying that tethering has been added to my contract and that I lost my unlimited data.
Am I screwed here? I don't think tethering existed when I signed my original contract with unlimited data.... Can I get this back?
I do apologize if anyone felt my OP was lengthy, but I was at work and I just wanted to cover all sides of the situation just in case I couldn't respond at the time.
I use the stock browser on Cognition to surf and stream to my video player, and Opera Mobile when downloading from Filesonic, etc.
I was mainly trying to get and idea of what might becausing the flag so I would know which route to go when I do call into ATT. I don't want to receive a bill in a month or so and have to battle them then. The tethering plan wasn't included in the grandfathered Unlimited data plan, but I actually did "abuse" it for a while with my Captivate before I got my DSL installed in my new apartment.
I was just thinking that this could have possibly been some sort of scare tactic on behalf of AT&T because of my current data usage, and it was a preemptive action to contain the abuse of their already spotty 4G network.
Also, I wanted myself and any others who have had this experience to control and prevent future occurrences.
I have a friend that works for Verizon wireless and he told me that he received information from a tech that when you call into the tech support, they can get some of the details of your current rom...and conclude whether or not you are rooted, etc...how true this is idk...
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Dear xxx xxx,
We've noticed your service plan may need updating.
Many AT&T customers use their smartphones as a broadband connection for other devices, like laptops, netbooks or other smartphones– a practice commonly known as tethering. Tethering can be an efficient way for our customers to enjoy the benefits of AT&T's mobile broadband network and use more than one device to stay in touch with important people and information. To take advantage of this feature, we require that in addition to a data plan, you also have a tethering plan.
Our records show that you use this capability, but are not subscribed to our tethering plan. If you would like to continue tethering, please log into your account online at www.wireless.att.com , or call us at 866-975-0005, Monday -Friday, 7 a.m. - 9 p.m. CT, or Saturday, 8 a.m. - 7 p.m. CT, to sign up for the DataPro 4GB for Smartphone Tethering plan or the DataPro Enterprise 4GB for Smartphone Tethering plan.
If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you into one of the above DataPro 4GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle. The specific plan selected for you will depend on your current smartphone data plan; if you are currently subscribed to another Enterprise data plan, you will automatically be enrolled in the DataPro Enterprise 4GB for Smartphone Tethering Plan so that you can continue to access corporate email and applications. Your new DataPro 4GB plan – whether you sign up on your own or we automatically enroll you – will replace your current smartphone data plan, including if you are on an unlimited data plan.
If you discontinue tethering by the end of this month, no changes to your current plan will be required.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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BarryH_GEG said:
Wow. Is tethering only available as part of a specific DataPro package? If it's not available as a stand-alone option this is a really nasty and back-handed way to get people off grandfathered unlimited packages. That or to greatly reduce the network burden of tethering.
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Exactly my point...the phone only came on the 2nd...there's no way I could've hit a data cap like that on my own to raise a flag in a mere 2 weeks...I don't have that kind of porn habit lol...not sure if it was something in the software...quite possible that it is something in the useragent of the browser...
But it feels like I'm getting bullied here...just want something concrete to fire back with.
EDIT: Came home from work and loaded up my laptop...remembered that in a drunken stupor I was up debating between a Slingbox adapter or a Logictech Revue...and I remember that I said eff it so I downloaded the Gmote and Unified Remote apps to connect to the server in my house via wifi and use my phone to control my media and browser through my TV. Could that have triggered the email? That was at approx 12-1am last night and I recieved the email on my way to work at 9:20 this morn
I just got that same email from them this morning.
I'm a little confused as to what their plan of action is. Do they plan to add a tethering plan at the end of the month w/out our consent if we don't contact them, or will everything stay the same if we stop tethering?
"If we don't hear from you, we'll plan to automatically enroll you into one of the above DataPro 4GB plans in an upcoming bill cycle."
but then towards the end of the email, they state:
"If you discontinue tethering by the end of this month, no changes to your current plan will be required."
Should i contact them or will i be fine if i stop tethering?
Sounds to me if you don't contact them you going to get enrolled
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I've seen a lot of these threads around different forums with plenty of people stating that they got the email, but not many of them following up whether or not their plans actually got changed or not.
Wondering how many people actually got their data plans changed or if the email is more of a warning/scare tactic.
i have been terminated by sprint for allegedly being a data hog. fine by me, as far as i know i did torrent a handful of times and i guess thats what did me in, that and netflix i gather.
had anyone been in this situation before? if so, will my photon have a bad esn? and lastly, i did give sprint a deposit, did anyone get that backbin its entirety?
many thanks!
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i have been terminated by sprint for allegedly being a data hog. fine by me, as far as i know i did torrent a handful of times and i guess thats what did me in, that and netflix i gather.
had anyone been in this situation before? if so, will my photon have a bad esn? and lastly, i did give sprint a deposit, did anyone get that backbin its entirety?
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the torrenting is what did you in my friend, i had a "test" month this month and manage to scrounge up about 6-7GB with nothing happening but this is all from youtube, google music, and large games downloads (nova 3)...and the deposit, well your suppose to get it back after a year i believe, but if you got terminated before then well....who knows, and lastly you can always just call sprint and ask for an esn check (just say you're buying it on ebay or something)
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and trhe phoen should be clean its only when the phone is lost/stolen or in use is it "bad"
Since sprint advertises unlimited data, I thought the only way they could terminate you (per the contract) is if:
1. excessive data roaming
2. tethering and not paying for that
3. being caught doing something illegal
Unless they can show that they terminated with cause (in writing per the contract you agreed to), than you should get your deposit back with no ETF.
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i have been terminated by sprint for allegedly being a data hog. fine by me, as far as i know i did torrent a handful of times and i guess thats what did me in, that and netflix i gather.
had anyone been in this situation before? if so, will my photon have a bad esn? and lastly, i did give sprint a deposit, did anyone get that backbin its entirety?
many thanks!
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Since sprint advertises unlimited data, I thought the only way they could terminate you (per the contract) is if:
1. excessive data roaming
2. tethering and not paying for that
3. being caught doing something illegal
Unless they can show that they terminated with cause (in writing per the contract you agreed to), than you should get your deposit back with no ETF.
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you guys answered each others questions,lol
How much data did you use? I'm trying to get them to cancel me without having to pay an etf. I've used about 50 gigs already, but I think the problem with that is I have my phone torrenting while I sleep. I checked Sprint terms of service, they don't consider you an issue if you're not impacting other cusomters use of the service. I don't know how to become an issue through the day since I get crap service at work. (10-15 Kbps. BS)
moxiot, what was your data usage like. Sprint does have a redflag limit and last time I checked it was about 30GB.
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What does torrenting have to do with "being caught doing something illegal"?
http://shop2.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml?ECID=vanity:termsandconditions
Prohibited Network Uses. To ensure the activities of some users do not impair the ability of our customers to have access to reliable services provided at reasonable costs, you may not use our services in a manner that is unlawful, infringes on intellectual property rights, or harms or unduly interferes with the use of Sprint's network or systems. Sprint reserves the right, without notice or limitation, to limit data throughput speeds or quantities or to deny, terminate, end, modify, disconnect, or suspend service if an individual engages in any of the prohibited voice or data uses detailed below or if Sprint, in its sole discretion, determines action is necessary to protect its wireless networks from harm or degradation.
Examples of prohibited data uses: Sprint data services are provided solely for purposes of web surfing, sending and receiving email, photographs and other similar messaging activities, and the non-continuous streaming of videos, downloading of files or on line gaming. Our data services may not be used: (i) to generate excessive amounts of Internet traffic through the continuous, unattended streaming, downloading or uploading of videos or other files or to operate hosting services including, but not limited to, web or gaming hosting; (ii) to maintain continuous active network connections to the Internet such as through a web camera or machine-to-machine connections that do not involve active participation by a person; (iii) to disrupt email use by others using automated or manual routines, including, but not limited to "auto-responders" or cancel bots or other similar routines; (iv) to transmit or facilitate any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, telemarketing, promotional materials, "junk mail", unsolicited commercial or bulk email, or fax; (v) for activities adversely affecting the ability of other people or systems to use either Sprint's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including, but not limited to, "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) for an activity that connects any device to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for the purpose of transmitting wireless data over the network (unless customer is using a plan designated for such usage); or (vi) for any other reason that, in our sole discretion violates our policy of providing service for individual use. Unlimited Use Plans. If you subscribe to rate plans, services or features that are described as unlimited, you should be aware that such "unlimited" plans are subject to these Sprint Prohibited Network Uses.
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the highlighted text is BS in my opinion, but can be used to justify getting rid of you for any reason. That being said, (depending on where you signed up with sprint) you likely signed a service agreement for a plan and not specifically their Terms and conditions. Torrenting is not officially prohibited, and Sprint does not make clear how much data usage on an unlimited plan is prohibited. You should be able to get your deposit back with no ETF fees, and phones with clear ESN's.
Just another way for Sprint to **** people with their "TRULY UNLIMITED DATA"
And they, and people in here who work for Sprint wonder why people get pissed.
MikeyLee said:
Just another way for Sprint to **** people with their "TRULY UNLIMITED DATA"
And they, and people in here who work for Sprint wonder why people get pissed.
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Use to work for em, people got pissed cause sprint said somethin about what they were doin, when "the people" knew what they were doing...at least own up to what you do
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srkelley said:
How much data did you use? I'm trying to get them to cancel me without having to pay an etf. I've used about 50 gigs already, but I think the problem with that is I have my phone torrenting while I sleep. I checked Sprint terms of service, they don't consider you an issue if you're not impacting other cusomters use of the service. I don't know how to become an issue through the day since I get crap service at work. (10-15 Kbps. BS)
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on average 20 gigs a month, youtube, netflix, and some music. i did download a few torrents the last month so..
all in all im ok with it, as long as they return my deposit, which they said they will. mmmmm galaxy note on tmo coming soon??? yeah, take care sprint...
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moxiot said:
on average 20 gigs a month, youtube, netflix, and some music. i did download a few torrents the last month so..
all in all im ok with it, as long as they return my deposit, which they said they will. mmmmm galaxy note on tmo coming soon??? yeah, take care sprint...
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No etf or anything?
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you guys answered each others questions,lol
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LOL - you are right, torrents typically are not used for legal content. I'm glad to see Sprint scrubbing "questionable' excessive users so that my rate doesn't go up.
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moxiot, what was your data usage like. Sprint does have a redflag limit and last time I checked it was about 30GB.
What does torrenting have to do with "being caught doing something illegal"?
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Are you serious? What do you suppose torrent is 99% used for?
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.....all in all im ok with it, as long as they return my deposit,......
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Glad you are OK with being kicked to the curb. So who's your next carrier? Sprint is most lenient. Who do you think will let you use more data than Sprint? Seriously - who? And you know you'll pay more, right?
I question if torrents really had anything to do with it. A while back someone got terminated for using 90 gigs in 3 months. If you used 20+ for months on end, that could easily be the reason. Also, there are a lot of legal torrent uses, so I would hope they wouldn't just terminate everyone that uses one. As an example, Joker uses torrents as an alternate way to download his custom ROMs.
Did they warn you before terminating? It seems like they should have just told you that you are being excessive.
yes they warned me and after that i think i torrented one or 2 things.
I wouldnt be surprised if uploading (seeding) had more to do with it than the downloading.
I wouldn't even be able to be terminated if I tried. My download speeds over EvDo around my house suck. We're talking like 15kb/s max. The only place I get reasonably good speeds is in my dorm room, which is on the 17th story probably a mile (roughly) away from a tower.
Thanks for answering my question, guess I'll just have to persist for a few more months. I don't need a ton of data and I very rarely make phone calls. I'll be switching to T-Mobile's $30 a month plan. When I'm really using data on my phone I'm just messing with RSS, Gmail and a few sub-groups on social sites. My data use was consistently under 1.4 gigs until I got tired of waiting for m feeds and other stuff to load.
My usage may come close to doubling on another network but it will be worth it to actually get data service when I want it. If I need to, I'll jump to T-Mobiles $50 plan. I'm not even greedy, I just want speed that doesn't drop below 400 Kbps very often where I work and in transit to and from it. Most of the Sprint users in my area that I knew said that service was awesome but the phones sucked. I had to find out the hard way that I was speaking to people that didn't know the difference between a software/hardware bottleneck and network bottleneck.
I don't even hate Sprint, but I wish that there was a better method to check average download speed (outside, uninhibited) in an area without jumping onto the service. This goes for any provider.
I wish that there was a better method to check average download speed (outside, uninhibited) in an area without jumping onto the service. This goes for any provider.
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run speedtest off the demo phones from retail sites. Should give you a good idea.
willysp said:
Are you serious? What do you suppose torrent is 99% used for?
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Actually, yes. It doesn't matter if most torrents are illegal content as the burden of proof lies with the service provider. Therefore the premise of "if he was torrenting that it must have been something illegal" is flawed.
The same flawed thinking also applies to rooting/unlocking. It's the popular mindset of carriers/mainstream news and general pubic that the any reason someone would root their phone is free tethering or some other illegal activity.
Now if the OP was torrenting illegal content then that's his mistake. But at no point did the OP state that he was doing so.
When I try to turn the hotspot function on through settings, it says "use of this service requires a subscription to Mobile Hotspot or Mobile Broadband Connect..." which I don't have. But when I use Power Toggles to turn on the hotspot function, I am able to connect my computer to my device.
Is there a way that Verizon would figure out that I can use their hotspot function without paying for the monthly subscription?
I've been using it for over two years with out them knowing.
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When I try to turn the hotspot function on through settings, it says "use of this service requires a subscription to Mobile Hotspot or Mobile Broadband Connect..." which I don't have. But when I use Power Toggles to turn on the hotspot function, I am able to connect my computer to my device.
Is there a way that Verizon would figure out that I can use their hotspot function without paying for the monthly subscription?
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The simple answer is Yes. No matter what method you use for enabling tethering on your phone, if Verizon cares to examine the data going in and out of your phone, they can tell if you're tethering.
Will they bother to look? Will they do anything about it? Those are the more relevant questions.
My philosophy is, don't abuse it and they'll probably never look at you. I suspect that somebody, somewhere at Verizon is responsible for running a report every month of their top data users who don't pay for tethering. Then, they go look at those users and bust the ones that they find are tethering without paying for it. My personal goal is just to make sure I'm fare enough down that list that they never get to looking at me.
I can tell you that according to the C block spectrum that Verizon leases for their LTE network, they can not stop, inhibit, or penalize you for tethering your phone while on LTE. It is in the licensing rights of their spectrum. Hence, all the new plans include free wifi tethering. Now, this was not an oversight, because Verizon used to attempt to block tethering apps from the play store to their customers. The FCC just so happened to put a stop to that 2 months prior to Verizon announcing new Share Everthing plans that include tethering. Verizon knows that the people who tether tend to use a lot more data. With more data being used across the whole account, the customer pays more. Verizon only wanted to prevent People from tethering long enough to release the new plans, because they are doing exactly what they intended them to do... Convince people who don't use a lot of data to move to a tiered plan and give them hotspot for free. Saying "Try it. If you find it convenient, you can add a mobile hotspot device to your plan for only $20 more a month and you can connect up to 10 things to it. All while conserving your phones battery life".
Man that is a big assumption .
stuartv said:
I suspect that somebody, somewhere at Verizon is responsible for running a report every month of their top data users who don't pay for tethering. Then, they go look at those users and bust the ones that they find are tethering without paying for it. My personal goal is just to make sure I'm fare enough down that list that they never get to looking at me.
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I can tell you that according to the C block spectrum that Verizon leases for their LTE network, they can not stop, inhibit, or penalize you for tethering your phone while on LTE. It is in the licensing rights of their spectrum. Hence, all the new plans include free wifi tethering. Now, this was not an oversight, because Verizon used to attempt to block tethering apps from the play store to their customers. The FCC just so happened to put a stop to that 2 months prior to Verizon announcing new Share Everthing plans that include tethering. Verizon knows that the people who tether tend to use a lot more data. With more data being used across the whole account, the customer pays more. Verizon only wanted to prevent People from tethering long enough to release the new plans, because they are doing exactly what they intended them to do... Convince people who don't use a lot of data to move to a tiered plan and give them hotspot for free. Saying "Try it. If you find it convenient, you can add a mobile hotspot device to your plan for only $20 more a month and you can connect up to 10 things to it. All while conserving your phones battery life".
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Yes and no. The FCC left the door wide open to Verizon managing tethering by unlimited users. The FCC specifically only took issue with usage based customers being charged. Additionally, the Share Everything plans preceded the Verizon/FCC consent decree by one month.
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ilkevinli said:
Man that is a big assumption .
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Actually, it's exactly what I said it was. A suspicion. Nothing more.
That is a very descriptive "suspicion".
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Actually, it's exactly what I said it was. A suspicion. Nothing more.
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Yes and no. The FCC left the door wide open to Verizon managing tethering by unlimited users. The FCC specifically only took issue with usage based customers being charged. Additionally, the Share Everything plans preceded the Verizon/FCC consent decree by one month.
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You are wrong my friend, there is no difference from a tiered data user and an unlimited one on C block. And the FCC stepped in 2 months prior to the share everything plans, Verizon finally took action one month prior. They were allowed time to coordinate the stop of blocking those apps.
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You are wrong my friend, there is no difference from a tiered data user and an unlimited one on C block. And the FCC stepped in 2 months prior to the share everything plans, Verizon finally took action one month prior. They were allowed time to coordinate the stop of blocking those apps.
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The FCC actually began their investigation in Oct 2011 and first contacted Verizon in November 2011. The discussion of timing is fairly inconsequential, so let's move on to the meat & potatoes...
The assertion that this also applicable to unlimited plan users is directly contradicted by the plain language of the consent decree published by the FCC, which explicitly states, ”... customers on unlimited usage plans must continue to pay an additional fee to tether their devices.” Additionally, “ nothing herein prejudices Verizon Wireless's right to [...] take remedial actions, including termination of service, against customers who violate the terms and conditions of their service plans or Verizon Wireless's policies applicable to the service provided to such customers.”
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