I'm in the market for a new/first tablet. Out of the current crop of tablets, I'd say the Sony Tablet S looks most appealing to me. However, with the Asus Transfomer Prime coming out sometime soon, getting the Sony Tablet S is a hard decision.
Here's what I want a tablet for:
+Browsing - I want a tablet that is very capable of browsing the internet with ease and fluidity.
+Work/Note-taking/productivity - I want to be able to write articles and write down lecture notes very easily. The Asus Transformer prime's keyboard looks amazing. How is the typing experience on the Sony Tablet S? I like the unique design and it looks like using a touch keyboard could be pretty fast. Is it? The Sony Tablet S also does have a fairly good looking bluetooth keyboard, but it looks like it could be pricey.
+Movies/youtube - I want a tablet that's great for watching videos. The Tablet S does have a HD screen and a "tru-black" display so it sounds optimal for that. Is it a good display in actuality?
+Front-facing camera - I need a tablet capable of doing video chat well. How good is the quality of the Sony Tablet S' front facing camera and video chatting?
+Speed - I don't need a super-powered beast, but I need something that won't struggle on a day-to-day basis and that runs fast. How's the speed and fluidity on this tablet? With the Quad-core transformer prime coming, I want to know how this actually stacks up.
+Camcorder - In actuality I don't plan on using a tablet for its camera or camcorder, but I would have some use for good video recording on a tablet. Not really a factor in my decision, but how is the video recording quality on this thing?
+Design/styling - Both the asus transfomer prime and the sony tablet s look really good. Tablet S is a little more unique but transfomer prime is a bit sleeker design. Either way I think I'd be happy with the look of the devices.
+Future Updates - Sony Ericcson has been really good with putting out updates to their phones this past year. Will Sony continue along that same way with this tablet? The specs on this tablet seem kinda last year, but it did just come out in September so I imagine support for this tablet would carry on for some time. Do you think this tablet will get updates to newer versions of android? Has Sony announced ICS for this yet?
+Pricing/availability - How much do Tablet S tend to go for new? I would imagine transformer prime would be a bit more expensive with it coming out later, but I don't know. I do know I could get a tablet S in Canada fairly easily, but I don't yet know how transformer prime will do in Canada. If tablet S is same price as transfomer prime it seems it would make more sense to go with transformer prime.
+Your opinion? - How has your experience with the Sony Tablet S been? Do you love it? Would you recommend it? Any other thoughts?
Thanks
There is a topic almost just like this 1 RIGHT UNDER! lol. But I will try and give my general opinion.
Having owned the Ipad2, Jetstream, HTC Flyer & Tablet S...
The Tablet S is proficient at everything you described (although there are some issues especially concerning the watching of Youtube vids).
It is not as good as other tablets tho... Everything the Tablet S does, the Jetstream does better, Faster & smoother. On top of that the Jetstream has so many extra bonus features.
Same goes for the Ipad2... Ipad2 does everything the Tablet S does... but better -_- lol. Except maybe flash vids...
For upgrades... I have several Sony TVs, however only 1 sony phone (X10). The X10 was the ABSOLUTE WORST PHONE I HAVE EVER USED. Updates were so late, I had stop using the phone before the first update was pushed out.
I returned my Tablet S and now use the HTC Flyer. Just my opinion... remember to try out all alternatives before investing your cash into a device.
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There is a topic almost just like this 1 RIGHT UNDER! lol. But I will try and give my general opinion.
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Oops, can't believe I missed that.
Still, my question is not really vs the ipad mostly vs the other android tablet options. Been searching around the whole night and now I'm even considering the original Xoom lol. Anyways, thanks
friend if you want to recommend something good so you can spend your s1 jobs through an SD or USB using the cable because the iphone 2 is not this so in my opinion the s1 I so the pedi and give me the 15 November that the iphone tube 2 and believe me you have to send an email to the work force and if the guards have to synchronize is silly greetings
I did not understand a word of that, but thanks!
syrenz said:
+Browsing - I want a tablet that is very capable of browsing the internet with ease and fluidity.
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Very good browsing experience though Id recommend using Opera over the stock.
+Work/Note-taking/productivity - I want to be able to write articles and write down lecture notes very easily. The Asus Transformer prime's keyboard looks amazing. How is the typing experience on the Sony Tablet S? I like the unique design and it looks like using a touch keyboard could be pretty fast. Is it? The Sony Tablet S also does have a fairly good looking bluetooth keyboard, but it looks like it could be pricey.
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Stock keyboard is a bit laggy, Ive switched to split keyboard app since that was my preference on previous tablets anyway but yeah can always go the bluetooth route.
+Movies/youtube - I want a tablet that's great for watching videos. The Tablet S does have a HD screen and a "tru-black" display so it sounds optimal for that. Is it a good display in actuality?
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The display is top notch, its bright but not overly saturated with colors (ie Samsung, some people DO like that though). Video play on it great as are view angles.
+Front-facing camera - I need a tablet capable of doing video chat well. How good is the quality of the Sony Tablet S' front facing camera and video chatting?
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It is adequate for video chat but beyond that its not exactly great. The rear camera works nicely of course.
+Speed - I don't need a super-powered beast, but I need something that won't struggle on a day-to-day basis and that runs fast. How's the speed and fluidity on this tablet? With the Quad-core transformer prime coming, I want to know how this actually stacks up.
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About as smooth as any other android tablet out there.
+Camcorder - In actuality I don't plan on using a tablet for its camera or camcorder, but I would have some use for good video recording on a tablet. Not really a factor in my decision, but how is the video recording quality on this thing?
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Quite good the only drawback is no flash so dark lightning tends to be a problem.
+Design/styling - Both the asus transfomer prime and the sony tablet s look really good. Tablet S is a little more unique but transfomer prime is a bit sleeker design. Either way I think I'd be happy with the look of the devices.
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This is where S table shines, in design. The tablet is a joy to hold and use, yes its plastic but it is solid and doesnt feel "cheap". The magazine style IS noticeably easier to hold over more rectangle/boxy tablets.
+Future Updates - Sony Ericcson has been really good with putting out updates to their phones this past year. Will Sony continue along that same way with this tablet? The specs on this tablet seem kinda last year, but it did just come out in September so I imagine support for this tablet would carry on for some time. Do you think this tablet will get updates to newer versions of android? Has Sony announced ICS for this yet?
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We dont know yet to be honest, what we do know is Android 3.2 was available to d/l the day we bought our tablets so it *appears* Sony will push OS updates quickly but we'll have to see. The game store and video store came online about the time they said it would, it didnt drag out for months so another plus.
+Pricing/availability - How much do Tablet S tend to go for new? I would imagine transformer prime would be a bit more expensive with it coming out later, but I don't know. I do know I could get a tablet S in Canada fairly easily, but I don't yet know how transformer prime will do in Canada. If tablet S is same price as transfomer prime it seems it would make more sense to go with transformer prime.
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Can get the 16 gig for like 460 dollars from PC Nation.
+Your opinion? - How has your experience with the Sony Tablet S been? Do you love it? Would you recommend it? Any other thoughts?
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Coming from a motorola xoom, an ipad and usage of samsung galaxy 10 yes I love the device and would recommend it.
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Coming from a motorola xoom, an ipad and usage of samsung galaxy 10 yes I love the device and would recommend it.
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Thanks! It's interesting that you say you came from a Motorola Xoom since I have also been looking at that device. Why did you make the switch?
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(although there are some issues especially concerning the watching of Youtube vids).
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Uh-oh, what issues? Watching youtube is one of the main things I want it for.
ppl need to stop reading what this idiot Maedros guy says. He does NOT have a Sony, he cannot afford one and i see him literally SPAMMING threads about his ****ty HTC products.
There is no issue with youtube, it works great.
NO issues with youtube on my tablet
No complaints in here about youtube too..
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Thanks! It's interesting that you say you came from a Motorola Xoom since I have also been looking at that device. Why did you make the switch?
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Mine broke and was looking for a replacement, something smaller, better screen (Xoom always had a washed out look to me) and S tablet fit the bill. And yeah I dont get any complaints about Youtube, it works perfectly. My only wish for the app was if you rotate the device it kept playing the video from the same point.
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It's really hard to decide for me, which tablet i'm going to buy. What are your opinions?
Well if you're using it primarily for web browsing then it's the Sony all the way for me, as the apple doesn't support flash. If that's not important to you, well the apple has more apps and the iOS is nice and easy to use.
Depends entirely on what you plan to do. Both are top notch tablets, both are great for media consumption. The biggest advantage for Ipad is obviously sheer volume of apps, the biggest S Tabl advantage is the remote control and Playstation ability. Biggest negative for Ipad is no ability to expand it, limited ports etc.
I, like most/all people in the S forum will say the Sony.
The design is just brilliant. I was amazed at the volume of films available in Video Unlimited. And for £399 its pretty darn cheap.
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If you own an android phone I would go for Sony.
I think it's also the design and the way you hold the tablet is just great.
They both have positive and negative points.
I only miss HDMI on this tablet. But streaming your media with DLNA works great and easy. It's awesome to really throw your video to your PC, PS3 even XBOX 360 and all other devices that work with it.
Currently Own:
IPad 2
Jetstream
HTC Flyer
Previously Owned:
Tablet S
I think that Sums it up ^^
The Ipad 2 is superior in almost every aspect. The only reason I could think of why u would grab the Tablet S over the Ipad 2 is if money is a concern or if you just plain hate Apple...
I believe that the Tablet S is an excellent tablet for those who have never owned a tablet.
Many of my friends who used it loved it (none of them have owned a tablet before).
However, when compared to the Jetstream it just lacks so much... The jetstream is smoother, faster, screen is nicer (imo). The Pen functionality is a huge bonus.
Compared to the Ipad2... Ipad2 has zero lag whereas the Tablet S has occasional lag, Tablet S has various other issues (read up on this forum) that the Ipad simply does not have. I have found absolutely nothing that the Tablet S does better then the Ipad2, whereas the Ipad2 does soooo many things better then the Tablet S.
Ofc... your in the Tablet S section so expect every1 to call me a troll, but this is my honest opinion; if you have used other tablets before, stay away from the Tablet S & go for the Ipad2.
TBH... I have currently ditched the Jetstream and the Ipad2 and instead use the Flyer simply because it is so portable!
Anyways GL with your purchase and I hope your happy with whatever you pick!
then tell them that I'm new and I had the iphone 2 with jailbrek and believe me you do not miss anything by that same flash that is not one.
the second is that if you stick a need to control it and believe me the jailbrek some applications can conger n the store besides Android also if you want free networks ipad 2 equal jailbrek need to part you can not do in the new that the only ipads vercion is, is the least 4.3.3 and can not lower the vercion I can not tell me that ode to the sony tablet but proven and if it was a good thing to stop me delivered on 15 November and believe me that what people say here is the same iPad tablet 2 and the sounds are not the iphone 2 has 512 of ram that is not nothing right and sony tablet has a gigue part has integrates a dual core but with nvidia ram it into pieces
I believe the iPad has better apps, but the Sony tablet offers a better overall experience.
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I believe the iPad has better apps, but the Sony tablet offers a better overall experience.
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Yes, I agree. Sony Tablet rear camera is 5MP with Exmor R, resolurion of screen is higher and better than ipad 2, it also offers more functions than any ipad out there.
Lets see
1. Ipad has more apps.
and thats all
Sony Tablet S
Better screen resolution .
DLNA. You can throw medi from your tablet directly to your laptop, desktop or any TV with dlna without cables.
Remote control for anything in your house.
Playstation games.
Way better design
Flash!!!!!
Ability to use a sd card, hell you can even use a usb flash disk.
I can go on but i think you got the idea.
Oh, one more thing... i have yet to find an app on ipad that is not on android. at least for my use.
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i have yet to find an app on ipad that is not on android. at least for my use.
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Sky Go isn't on Android yet, although it is apparently coming "this winter".
The deciding factor for me though, as I said earlier, is the lack of Flash on the ipad. I think the ipad is briliiant, but I couldn't bring myself to spend £400 on something that won't give me the full internet, especially seeing as I use youtube and BBC F1 sites alot, which both need flash to work properly. So, Sony S for me!
Watch out for the fanboys. Do your homework and get what suits your needs. No tablet is the right fit for everyone. Don't believe for a moment that the iPad 2 its superior in every way to the tablet s. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. look at the tradeoffs and decide what features are more important to you and make your choice based on that.
Have both in the house and yeah the UI from the iPad is nicer but for allround possibilities the tablet s is much better.Have both sitting on the table side by side every morning but I always pick up the Sony first to do my internet stuff cause the ipad is just so weak in that area.Like it's been stated here they both have their advantages and weaknesses but I still prefer the Tablet S,but that's only my opinion.
BTW I got the ipad as a present cause there was no way I was going to buy one
You really need to decide for your self. Most of the popular iPad apps are available on Android too. I haven't had too much problem in that area.
Android tablets are still young and have fairly small market share. You need to consider if you want to be an early adopter and go throughs some of the growing pains. Many of the people here are developers and want to support the platform and help increase marketshare, so yeah, we want you to buy an android tablet. Sony is my current recommendation.
While Android tablet *can* offer a better browsing experience, it can also hinder it. Many sites see 'android' and assume you are on a phone and send you to a mobile site without asking or giving you the option for desktop. Switching browsers can fix this and more sites are checking for android tablets, but its still a bit of a nuisance for now.
I've got a Xoom. It's cool but it kind of bogs down sometimes with live wallpapers and other stuff open. Did anyone go from the Xoom to the Prime? Is it worth the money for the performance?
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I've got a Xoom. It's cool but it kind of bogs down sometimes with live wallpapers and other stuff open. Did anyone go from the Xoom to the Prime? Is it worth the money for the performance?
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I didn't go directly from a Xoom to the Prime, but I owned a Xoom. I would definitely say the Prime is worth the cash. The developer support isn't there yet, but it's coming, and this tablet is a beast. (That is if you can find one you can tolerate)
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I didn't go directly from a Xoom to the Prime, but I owned a Xoom. I would definitely say the Prime is worth the cash. The developer support isn't there yet, but it's coming, and this tablet is a beast. (That is if you can find one you can tolerate)
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When you say tolerate, are you one of the people I have been reading about that got a bad tablet? Is Asus fixing this stuff or am I better off waiting for a while to save myself some frustration?
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When you say tolerate, are you one of the people I have been reading about that got a bad tablet? Is Asus fixing this stuff or am I better off waiting for a while to save myself some frustration?
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I don't have any issues with mine. I traded for my initial Prime here in the for sale section with Killster. He'd already opened and verified that it had a serial and was upgraded to ICS. A little bleed in one of the corners, but it is barely noticeable.
My second is coming from the for sale section here as well. I've been guaranteed that it is issue free as well.
I came from the Xoom and the Prime is much better. One of the first things I did was try out the galaxy live wallpaper that I really like but couldn't use on my Xoom because of the lag it caused. The Prime is running with that wallpaper with no lag at all. Totally smooth. I had to return my first Prime because the wifi started loosing signal range after a week all of a sudden. My 2nd prime has been perfect so far. I really like the tablet and the dock makes it even better. Highly recommend the upgrade.
Considering xoom is only dual core then ya it will be better. I have an Acer dual core tablet and it will lag with most live wallpaper and using HDMI to TV. Some games are not as smooth either when panning like shadowgun or mc3.
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Yeah, I'm sure it's faster, but I wanted to get an idea how much faster. After I sell my Xoom on eBay and buy a new Prime, I'll probably be out $150-$200, so I wanted to make sure that there would be at least some pretty significant performance increases.
Is there anything coming in the next few months that will out perform the Prime? I thought I read that there is a new Prime coming out with a plastic back or something for better wifi connectivity. And I'm definitely not interested in the iPad.
I'm coming from the xoom & now i have the prime & the keyboard dock but i will be getting the TF700 when it comes out.The Prime is way better than the Xoom.
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Yeah, I'm sure it's faster, but I wanted to get an idea how much faster. After I sell my Xoom on eBay and buy a new Prime, I'll probably be out $150-$200, so I wanted to make sure that there would be at least some pretty significant performance increases.
Is there anything coming in the next few months that will out perform the Prime? I thought I read that there is a new Prime coming out with a plastic back or something for better wifi connectivity. And I'm definitely not interested in the iPad.
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If you keep it honeycomb then for general use like web surfing you probably wont be able to tell the difference as there is still some lag with stock browser. Where you see the difference is in screen swiping and app drawer. Prime is pretty much lagfree 99% of the time. Also when hooking it up to TV via HDMI the Prime doesn't stutter or lag at all regardless what app or screen your in. And if you upgrade Prime to ICS then this is where you will see a huge difference even in browsing as there is barely any stuttering or lag. It's worth the $150 extra you have to pay to get it IMO.
Now if you want to wait for the next asus 700t then you will need to fork up another $100 so you will be down $250. From what I read the 700t is going to be retail at $599 for the 32gb. Not official yet though. AND you have to play the waiting game till they officially release the product to market. By then probably a few more months another device will come out by another manufacturer. So you can wait for that again.
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Now if you want to wait for the next asus 700t then you will need to fork up another $100 so you will be down $250. From what I read the 700t is going to be retail at $599 for the 32gb. Not official yet though. AND you have to play the waiting game till they officially release the product to market. By then probably a few more months another device will come out by another manufacturer. So you can wait for that again.
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Is that 700t the one with the plastic back I was reading about? What are going to be the major differences between the 700t and the Prime?
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I've got a Xoom. It's cool but it kind of bogs down sometimes with live wallpapers and other stuff open. Did anyone go from the Xoom to the Prime? Is it worth the money for the performance?
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I still have the Xoom for development and have a UK prime with the keyboard dock.
The Prime is running ICS and Xoom 3.2, so not a direct comparison, and I leave the Prime docked all the time, as it's nice to have a full screen when typing and it gives you amazing battery life.
Prime has better screen; tablet is lighter (but heavier docked); faster, especially when in browser. I had the free Bluetooth keyboard and mouse for Xoom, but never really used them, as it was too awkward to carry, but the Prime is like a Mac Air with touch. But be warned, you'll start touching your laptop screen after using the Prime docked for a while
Only thing that is a pain is no use of the ubiquitous micro USB, so no spare leads...
So yes, get it if you can afford it, but get the keyboard dock
sorry to reopen this thread.
Got my prime, but have to return it today because of ligth bleed, and poor gps/wifi. Its in Denmark and the serial starts with C.. so we also have bad primes.
Anyways, the Xoom 32 Wifi Only is almost ½ the price atm, so im really considering it.
How good has the Xoom become with ICS compared to the Prime with ICS?
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sorry to reopen this thread.
Got my prime, but have to return it today because of ligth bleed, and poor gps/wifi. Its in Denmark and the serial starts with C.. so we also have bad primes.
Anyways, the Xoom 32 Wifi Only is almost ½ the price atm, so im really considering it.
How good has the Xoom become with ICS compared to the Prime with ICS?
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No matter if xoom get Android 5.0. It won't never be better than a prime it has old dualcore. If you want to save money just get the xoom then. If you want the latest greatest most powerful tablet out, get the prime. Prime will be more futureproof with the power it has. You get the xoom, you will still end up getting another device soon based on how slow it is. So it's really a waste. Just get a prime again, and that'll last a long time without being outdated or seeming like it lacks power.
im getting what you're saying..
but to be honest. Sometimes holding the prime im getting crazy about that sd card sticking out. I also think its to thin/sharp at the edges.. but I also like its thin..
im just confused.. I just need to know if browser/mail/casual gaming/720p-videos are almost the same experince rigth now.. and yes. maybe I'll upgrade around fall/chrstimas again, but thats ok with the low price.
In the end you will end up spending more if you get the xoom now knowing you'll get rid of it later. I'm sure you will lose a lot money on it if you sell it and all these new tablets with better spec will be out by then. Then you have to fork up cash for the new tablet. And it's possible those new tablets could also have their own issues.
Hey guys
Im selling my gtab on most probably ebay, and so i need to get bk to complete out the box stock for the UK. Does anyone know what the latest firmware for britain is to achieve this? Will it unroot the tab? as i would like it to be unrooted in the process.
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Adam (ps- for those wondering why im selling the gtab; im buying the ipad 3, sorry) ;(
Good god, the iPad 3 is horrible, it's like the iPad 1st gen with just more clarity which doesn't make sense, the 5MP camera doesn't even make up for that HD processing that the pad can handle. It's hilarious because the iPad 1-2-3 are almost practially the same -.- and the iPad is a steamrolled version of the iPhone, poor app support for apple tablets. If not for the iPhone 4 HD the iPad market would have plummet.
I've mentioned this before and will do so again, the only time I will get an iPad is if it completely negates the use for a laptop. The iPad3 is only useful if you have a DSLR like a D700 or a D7000 that can render out 10~16MP HD pictures, then that totally makes sense. Or else the only HD you're going to end up getting is some Googled HD wallpapers. And to get those sexy pictures onto the tablet, guess what! You need a laptop -.-, Atleast the 10.1 accept's USB slot's that can detect the camera's MMC unlike the iPad. Sorry for the rant, but I'm not here for fanboyism of which is better These are just a few reason's why the iPad in general isn't worth it. In the end you're going to buy a crap ton of over priced devices just to transfer a picture without the need for a laptop. Useless devices that too. But if you have the money, feel free
Then again, your choice As per your question, Sammobile may guide you on that quest. Doesn't matter what region it is, EU firmware in general does the job for NZ,AU,UK,US regions. Unless it's a 3G tablet then the SIM does the job of the regional settings, so it's all good.
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Good god, the iPad 3 is horrible, it's like the iPad 1st gen with just more clarity which doesn't make sense, the 5MP camera doesn't even make up for that HD processing that the pad can handle. It's hilarious because the iPad 1-2-3 are almost practially the same -.- and the iPad is a steamrolled version of the iPhone, poor app support for apple tablets. If not for the iPhone 4 HD the iPad market would have plummet.
I've mentioned this before and will do so again, the only time I will get an iPad is if it completely negates the use for a laptop. The iPad3 is only useful if you have a DSLR like a D700 or a D7000 that can render out 10~16MP HD pictures, then that totally makes sense. Or else the only HD you're going to end up getting is some Googled HD wallpapers. And to get those sexy pictures onto the tablet, guess what! You need a laptop -.-, Atleast the 10.1 accept's USB slot's that can detect the camera's MMC unlike the iPad. Sorry for the rant, but I'm not here for fanboyism of which is better These are just a few reason's why the iPad in general isn't worth it. In the end you're going to buy a crap ton of over priced devices just to transfer a picture without the need for a laptop. Useless devices that too. But if you have the money, feel free
Then again, your choice As per your question, Sammobile may guide you on that quest. Doesn't matter what region it is, EU firmware in general does the job for NZ,AU,UK,US regions. Unless it's a 3G tablet then the SIM does the job of the regional settings, so it's all good.
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Wow right well that was certainly interesting to read.
I was actually thinking of buying the ipad as i really want some decent tablet apps... And while the market has a few it just dosent have the same depth that the app store has.
Wat do u think of the note 10.1 or new tf coming out? :L
And ok thanks for info about the firmware.
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Wow right well that was certainly interesting to read.
I was actually thinking of buying the ipad as i really want some decent tablet apps... And while the market has a few it just dosent have the same depth that the app store has.
Wat do u think of the note 10.1 or new tf coming out? :L
And ok thanks for info about the firmware.
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Well as far as I know the iPad3 is currently known as the Photographer's tablet Since it basically does everything a photographer wants, contrast, gamma, etc. I do however apologise for the fuse blown on the previous Just thought it's best we equip the user's before they blow money on devices that they feel "Hey This isn't as good as I thought it was"
I do agree with you, the Android tablet market is kinda, weird and at an all time low atm, Samsung keeps making tablet's like hotcakes that they aren't even aware of the situation in the android market, What's worse is there are separate apps -.- I kinda liked iPad Appstore for one main reason, it only shows you what can be installed on the tablet and when it does, it makes sure that it works 100% on the tablet. The android market shows almost everything at some point that when consumers purchase an app, they are bummed to find out after downloading 700~1GB worth of files that "Unsupported Device" or some BSOD or worse, lag galore like no other, I've seen the refund's section being piled up lately because of new devices vs no app support.
You can however get the 11.6 if you want, should be coming right around the corner in Q2-Q3 as the 10.1 Note is nothing new, Giant graphics tablet. 10.2 is a waste too. Because of poor tegra2 chip that screws over the tablet. You'd think Nvidia the world's leading graphics team would have done something about this.
There has been some good reviews about the TF, but the TF Prime they say is mind boggling. Then again great tablet, but poor app support atm.
I thought I'd ask:
I've read that there are gps issues... Is that fixed now?
Are there different models numbers to avoid.. I know some are dual and some are quad core but do roms lack support for different devices?
Any other issues with the device?
Gps is a design problem with the device. Its not even advertised as having GPS anymore.
At this point you should wait for the acer A510
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-A...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332962137&sr=1-1
GPS most likely won't work at all and ASUS already removed it from their specs list. I suggest you worry about the weak wifi instead. Probably better to wait for the 700 or look into another tablet.
Hmm he acer is in a week with similar stats... I'll wait and check that out thanks
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Hmm he acer is in a week with similar stats... I'll wait and check that out thanks
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I also would suggest that you look at the tablets apps on Android vs the tablet apps of the iPad. Needless to say, there isn't even a tablet section for Android. So if tablet optimized apps are important to you....
The Transformer series remains unique in that they offer the integrated keyboard dock. If navigation-quality GPS is important to someone, then yes, the Prime is not currently the best option. Personally, I've found wifi performance to be perfectly acceptable, but some others haven't. Otherwise, the Prime is an excellent tablet offering great performance, excellent battery life, a nice (and uniquely bright) screen, and the ability to be used as an Android netbook when placed in the dock. And then, there are the intangibles such as the fact that ASUS has so far been much, much better at updating their Android tablets than anyone else, by far.
The Acer might end up being a decent enough Tegra 3 tablet, but I'd not be willing to say it's a better option for someone who doesn't care about using his tablet as a navigational device. I'd say, try the Prime, and if wifi works acceptably for everywhere it's needed, then keep it.
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I thought I'd ask:
I've read that there are gps issues... Is that fixed now?
Are there different models numbers to avoid.. I know some are dual and some are quad core but do roms lack support for different devices?
Any other issues with the device?
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First of all, this tablet rocks!!! In my case the GPS works like a charm and the device it self is quite solid!!! the Keybar add on is amazing and adds a lot of extra battery. My two cents.
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GPS most likely won't work at all and ASUS already removed it from their specs list. I suggest you worry about the weak wifi instead. Probably better to wait for the 700 or look into another tablet.
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I dont know about your Prime man, but I got one with C2 serial and everything just works, GPS signal may be a bit weaker than other devices I've used, but it works and Iget a lock without WiFi under 30 secs.
Wifi is also strong.. i lose some power once BT music starts streaming but I still have good speeds. Attached some screens:
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I dont know about your Prime man, but I got one with C2 serial and everything just works, GPS signal may be a bit weaker than other devices I've used, but it works and Iget a lock without WiFi under 30 secs.
Wifi is also strong.. i lose some power once BT music starts streaming but I still have good speeds. Attached some screens:
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Do you have to disable wifi to get a lock?
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Do you have to disable wifi to get a lock?
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Mmm no, it works with or without wifi. Its just faster to get a lock with WiFi on because of aGPS .
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I also would suggest that you look at the tablets apps on Android vs the tablet apps of the iPad. Needless to say, there isn't even a tablet section for Android. So if tablet optimized apps are important to you....
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Thats very true, im considering leaving for the iPhone 5 to when thats out, software updates on android are a joke, and app quality is huge...
FYI
There is only one model of the Prime. It's the Transformer Prime TF201 Quad Core Tegra 3 CPU
ASUS also makes the Transformer TF101 which is a Dual Core Tegra 2 CPU.
Both offer the docking keyboard but are two complely different animals.
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FYI
There is only one model of the Prime. It's the Transformer Prime TF201 Quad Core Tegra 3 CPU
ASUS also makes the Transformer TF101 which is a Dual Core Tegra 2 CPU.
Both offer the docking keyboard but are two complely different animals.
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Its actually the Asus EEEPad Transformer Prime TF201-B1
I plan on buying a prime Friday, could some one explain to me how they use the prime as a GPS unit while driving so I can test this out when I get mine. Also I currently have an HTC EVO with GPS would using the prime as a GPS unit over the EVO offer any advantages?
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I plan on buying a prime Friday, could some one explain to me how they use the prime as a GPS unit while driving so I can test this out when I get mine. Also I currently have an HTC EVO with GPS would using the prime as a GPS unit over the EVO offer any advantages?
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using prime as GPS navigation device is not optimal. it won't be better than your evo, as far as GPS goes. there will be a big announcement though so stay tuned
advantage of prime, when GPS working properly, would be the larger and higher quality screen size.
don't feed into all the issues hype so much. when you get your device. use it as you would normally any other device you own. then see if and where it falls short at. If you so bent on looking for something wrong, you'll convince yourself its there. even if it isn't.
i'm actually in the same boat you are and i am currently asking the same questions. my issue is price. the ipad2 is going for $360 right now! the transformer prime 32 GB (lowest model) is going for $499. the ipad3 is going for $499. The acer iconia A510 is up for preorder on amazon for $450 for the 32gb model no gps and 5MP camera back 1MP camera front @ 1280 x 800 and this will come out shortly.
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-A510-10k...TWPU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332977290&sr=8-1
so i'm kinda stuck. tegra 3 is much better than the apple ipad2 A5. I'll have to seriously consider the acer iconia but acer has always lacked dev support so i'll be looking to xda developers for help yet again like i am with LG. Thats not necessary a bad thing but it helps when the company supports their own products like asus. I'm also hoping that once asus sees the price on the iconia they will drop the price on the transformer prime to $450 aswell.
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using prime as GPS navigation device is not optimal. it won't be better than your evo, as far as GPS goes. there will be a big announcement though so stay tuned
advantage of prime, when GPS working properly, would be the larger and higher quality screen size.
don't feed into all the issues hype so much. when you get your device. use it as you would normally any other device you own. then see if and where it falls short at. If you so bent on looking for something wrong, you'll convince yourself its there. even if it isn't.
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Thank you kindly demandarin, that actually was my point. But I thought I might just ask to possibly gain an idea as to how the tablet would be more beneficial or even practical than using my phone. I don't mean to start some forum war over GPS, but can't see the level of importance that has been placed on it that has been made in the various Prime forums. I figure if apple can sell millions of tablets without GPS like an Android tablet has, then the vast majority of the tablet buying public could care less about that feature.
I look forward to the big announcement and thank you again for your response.
If you get the transformer get it for the dock. Its a unique and awesome experience. No other tablet will ever come close in that regard. That's the reason to get a prime IMHO and its a damn good reason.
If you just want any tablet you can get the tp as well. Its awesome just as a tablet, but take a look at the other ones such as the ipad as well. If you compare the ipad and the transformer without a dock they're both good tablets with its pros and cons. But if you add the functionality of the dock the prime is on another level.
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If you get the transformer get it for the dock. Its a unique and awesome experience. No other tablet will ever come close in that regard. That's the reason to get a prime IMHO and its a damn good reason.
If you just want any tablet you can get the tp as well. Its awesome just as a tablet, but take a look at the other ones such as the ipad as well. If you compare the ipad and the transformer without a dock they're both good tablets with its pros and cons. But if you add the functionality of the dock the prime is on another level.
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QFT.
The dock is what made me buy this tablet without even thinking. Being able to manually take notes in College + Keyboard when needed + Extra battery + USB and ANOTHER SD card slot just sealed the deal.
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i'm actually in the same boat you are and i am currently asking the same questions. my issue is price. the ipad2 is going for $360 right now! the transformer prime 32 GB (lowest model) is going for $499. the ipad3 is going for $499. The acer iconia A510 is up for preorder on amazon for $450 for the 32gb model no gps and 5MP camera back 1MP camera front @ 1280 x 800 and this will come out shortly.
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-A510-10k...TWPU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332977290&sr=8-1
so i'm kinda stuck. tegra 3 is much better than the apple ipad2 A5. I'll have to seriously consider the acer iconia but acer has always lacked dev support so i'll be looking to xda developers for help yet again like i am with LG. Thats not necessary a bad thing but it helps when the company supports their own products like asus. I'm also hoping that once asus sees the price on the iconia they will drop the price on the transformer prime to $450 aswell.
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And I was kinda in the same boat as you, I was told that the prime was in stock so I sold my OG transformer to get it. I also looked at the new ipad. I look at it like this if I want the most apps and games then I it's ipad. But for functionality, not only is it android but transformers in particular. I want the 32gb , the HDMI , the dock (for typing and game controllers), Onlive for games. Also, and I guess this is more subjective I dislike itunes and the ipad UI
Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
Wait a second, so you prefer the build and materials over smoothness and performance? What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
The browser is replaceable and flash is easily implemented so the only thing that you mention is feel and build. Maybe flesh out a little better of why you prefer the infinity or you will end up looking like that pierrekid moron.
You can solve your 2 main issues pretty easily actually :
Buttons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010280
Browser: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2006215
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...What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
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The same world where somebody could mistake a Nexus 7 as an iPad Mini, before the iPad Mini was even released
The N10 is not using Tablet UI which explains why the navigation buttons are in the bottom-center. Tablet UI since 4.2 is deprecated in Google's eyes.
The N10 is also the "Google" experience, which is why Chrome is included by default. Flash player on Jellybean is not supported, and there's nothing you nor anyone else can do to warrant any kind of support from Google or Adobe regarding such matters. With this said though, there are various methods for getting Flash Player working on Jellybean. On devices that use an older OS (ICS for example), I guess Flash Player works just fine. Also... I run into very few sites that "require" flash player.
And... since this is a Nexus device, you can easily tailor the device to your needs. Your not forced with a lockdown bootloader, unlocking the bootloader doesn't void warranty, and the Nexus 10 is the best device supported on AOSP currently, which means customizing the Android experience should be... relatively easy for anyone (with experience). That button-location thing I mentioned, can be fixed with some modifications.
I haven't owned a Infinity, so I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Nexus 10 is more "open".
I would take chrome over transformers laggy browsers. They have terrible stock browsers. (Yes, download another one.) Tf201 was a TERRIBLE tablet! Battery was good but gps didnt work, bluetooth and wifi couldnt be used at the same time, wifi had terrible signal. Looked nice but that's about it. Nexus wins this.
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Nothing mentioned in the OP should be an issue for anyone who has owned a Nexus device or has minimal knowledge on how to root and use custom roms/kernels.
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Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
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bee answered your question. It's a very easy thing to accomplish. You can achieve your desired preference in future ROMs and in present ROMs available for the N10.
WilliamShakespeare said:
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
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Are you being serious? If there's anything to gripe about it's the apps that have not been updated to provide the optimal performance for the N10, you'll have to be patient for the community to catch up to the specifications of the N10. They're beyond amazing when they have proper support compared to older tablets. The image quality is definitely noticeable in this case.
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The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
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Yes the speaker locations are paramount. They should have always been the standard - which they will be now.
When playing movies using MX Player or playing music through Google Music, I have to turn the volume down as it gets too loud so I disagree with the volume being too low.
You honestly have to have hard of hearing to believe that. Why would anyone in a noisy enviroment not use headphones? The device comes with a headphone jack which would make sense to utilize in such enviroments.
For example:
Listening to music on a portable device such as the N10 when you're in a room with other people playing games (causing lots of noise) and then complaining about the volume being too low is being ignorant. Use your headphones.
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Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
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You're comparing something to nothing. The pogo charger/dock hasn't been released for the N10 yet so resorting to comparing it to the stock charger, which only takes 5½ hours for me to charge from 0% is excellent for a 9000mah battery, is moot and completely nullifies your comparison. You should wait until Samsung/Google releases the pogo charger and/or keyboard dock.
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Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
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Build quality is superb for the Nexus 10. It really doesn't matter as it's all subjective and differs from individual to individual.
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N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
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There are alternatives to achieve the desired results.
WilliamShakespeare said:
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
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The only thing that the Infinity would have over the N10 is the microSD expansion slot and maybe the camera, but who takes photos with tablets for art? Congrats.
Screen and screen resolution is inferior
Only has 1GB of ram
An abysmal 224ppi - tablets for that cost should have better ppi for a better picture quality.
Only supports MP3
so on so forth.
Someone who doesn't appreciate the price per power ratio of the N10 doesn't deserve to own one.
Return it and be gone.
Im sorry but you must be high or something. I came from the A500, GTab 10.1, Prime, Infinity then Note 10.1. The only tablet that I would consider going back to which I dont because the N10 is a beast, is the Note 10.1.
The Infinity has lots of problems and we all know what they are. I gladly sacrificed the keyboard dock for the N10 which wil be on craigslist shortly.
If you dont realize what you got there then its best that you do return your N10 and head back to the Infinity/Prime forum.
Oh and the screen... its definitely better then the Infinity in everyway.
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The Infinity is 0.5mm thinner and 5g lighter. I can't imagine how a human would actually notice that difference.
Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
I just have one question:
You said USB charging on the Infinity was better. I had the Infinity for a while before I got my N10, and I could never actually get it to charge via USB. I'm still curious as how to actually get it to work.
I am wondering how you can even compare things that are clearly OS version and app dependent ??
Flash / Browser , yada yada yada ...
4.2 does not support flash end of story, you have to sideload or use something non-stock, it if you want flash to work.
So when you get 4.2.1 STOCK AOSP on the Infinity then you could actually make a fair comparison.
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Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
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It makes sense to compare a tablet you own to the N10, but to go as far as saying there's another tablet that's factually better than the Nexus 10 with the points the OP claimed are anything but him having buyers remorse and trolling.
The reason I'm not going from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is because it's not a large enough gap in technology to warrant buying a new phone. The OP bought the N10 expecting it to project holograms and provide time travel and was disappointed it didn't so says that an inferior device is better than said device. It makes no sense. If it's not the upgrade you expected, don't blast the device. It's better than any of the tablets he mentioned albeit not a substantial upgrade.
I'm not going around the Nexus 4 forums saying the Galaxy Nexus is better because the upgrades are minimal compared to what I already own.
It's just irrelevant and ignorant to say such things with little to no context other than self-absorbed remorse.
This thread should be closed. It's pointless and disappointing.
I still can't figure it out. Unless build materials and weight is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than performance and battery life, which he admitted was superior on the Nexus 10, it doesn't make any sense.
His other issues are easily fixed through the play store or side load.
I wish the OP and and pierrekid would just cut out the BS politics and just come out and say I love Asus or I hate Google/Samsung build materials. Honesty is something that is sorely missing in today's society. Can't say I blame them though, sometimes you have to flat out lie to get ahead.
I myself have owned both a prime and an infinity, and back when I owned them, prayed daily that Google would release a 10inch tablet to the market. When they announced it, I knew I would give away my ASUS counterparts in a heartbeat no matter what. The prime/infinity had such lagginess, even with custom roms, you could tell the I/O suffered immensely
I couldn't be happier with my N10. It's a f*ck*in monster, and the screen res blows away the infinity. Put em up side by side...you can tell a difference.
I would never go back to ASUS again. I can't even believe this is a discussion. There were so many unhappy asus owners, and hell...there still are this very day!
God bless Google and doing the Nexus 4, 7 and 10. They are an ARMY!
Buttons that are centered, can easily be solved in the near future with a custom rom. Not to mention anything else you have as a pet peeve
How would anyone prefer the Asus tablet when it is confirmed it has a poor hardware memory which causes slowdowns and freezes?
Maybe you haven't heard about the I/O problems with Asus tablets...
No way a tablet with memory hardware problems is better than the nexus 10.
Agreed
Had 2 Asus Tf700 and I return both them back..
Too much problem
1-Bluetooth lag
2-It couldn't handle a lot media files
3-Dead trigger was crashing on my device all the time,called Madfinger and they know what to the me.
4-Stupid Asus want to follow Apple footsteps, only one speaker....
Etc.....
The only good thing about the TF700 is the aluminum body.
Glad Google come out with this device..
PS:And don't have to wait for an update when it is released...
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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Media playback will improve once media players are updated to support the N10's GPU. I've had to use software rending 5 out of 10 times with the videos I've watched.
The idea of this thread is ridiculous to me. This tablet has been exactly what I hoped it to be. I can actually still use my tablet while updating apps. I can open more than one webpage without immense stuttering (even complex ones), and I can switch between them without waiting an unbearably long time (thank you, 2GB of ram). I can switch between apps with very minimal delay (that is nicely covered up by a system animation). In short - I can use my tablet without it getting in the way.
I guess I can add to that the fact that the build quality on mine seems stellar, and light bleed is virtually non-existent. I love the material on the back. And I haven't had any issues with resets.
This is the tablet that I can just use without getting frustrated. I may eventually want to install a custom rom and theme it (something I have done to every device I have owned in the last 6 years). Heck, this seems like a perfect candidate for one of the "prettier" themes. But right now, I'm just enjoying using it.
Most things you mentioned can be fixed. Use boat browser and install flash on it manually, its really fast and flash works with no problems.
I don't like the stock Nav bar too and use Lmt instead, gives me the full 10 inch real estate and is convenient to use.
This tablet is awesome and I have used tons of tablet in the past, Plus its a nexus device and there is already tons of development in the forums in addition to the up to date android os
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