Ok - this is completely nuts. When I place my Photon ON my eee transformer, or my wifes TouchPad, the Photon becomes unresponsive. Pressing and holding the power button does nothing. I have to remove the battery or plug it in. In the past, it would reboot and everything would be fine. Battery would appear to be at the same (or near) charge level.
I would take pains to not place the phone near those devices and I have not had the phone lock up. Today I absentmindedly placed a full charge (near full, unplugged 100% charge @ 12:30pm) and placed the phone onto the transformer @ 1:00pm. I checked @ 1:45 and it was unresponsive. I placed the phone on the charger and it came to life... only now the battery was completely drained!
Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a fix or do I just have to keep my phone from other electrical items?
I recharged the phone it went from <5% charge to 100% in less than 30 minutes, so I guess it didn't totally discharge the battery - something just made it think it was discharged.
All-in-all still a very weird happening.
I'm typing this while my Photon is resting on my Touchpad and it's not freezing. How long does it take for it to become unresponsive?
As stated in the OP - 45 minutes. I did not use it during that time.
I have a rather large electrical box that I place my phone on at work while it charges. I see the same thing happen often. The battery will falsely discharge (not sure how it can discharge faster than a 1A capable rated charger can charge it but whatever) I will come back to my phone later and it will have shutdown and is now in the 'charge mode', the one where say you shut your phone down and then plug in the charger and the 'battery' shows up, and it will often be very low.
Normally I just power the phone back on and unplug it and all is good.
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This might be wishing the impossible but I was wondering if there any charger and/or dock on the market that will automatically cut the power when the phone is fully charged.
I know the concept is workable because I've seen a different product that works along the same principles - a trailing socket that completely cuts the power when the load drops.
This could be adapted to suit a phone charger so that when it drops to a trickle, the charger cuts the power completely.
I know it's probably unnecessary but the reason I'm asking is that I know it's not advisable to leave your phone on charge overnight but given how easily the HD chews it way through batteries, having to do so is bound to prove inevitable at some point and I'd like to avoid having to switch off my handset when it does happen (after all, what's the point in having a phone if you can't be contacted on it?).
I suppose the alternative is some sort of program that chimes when the handset is fully charged, so that I'd be woken up and can take it off but I'd rather have a good night's sleep
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I know it's not advisable to leave your phone on charge overnight
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Why do you think that?
Surely the charging circuit is controlled by the handset, and it stops feeding power to the battery when it is fully charged...
Two parts.
Firstly, whilst there is a charge control circuit in the handset, that's all well and good whilst the handset is off but not so good if it's left on.
If the phone is off, it will charge 'til full then drop to a trickle charge to stay there without damaging the battery. If it's on, it will do the same thing, except when the phone checks in with the network or does anything else that uses the battery, the charge level will drop, the charger will ramp up to full power, hit maximum, drop back down to a trickle and so on - it's just not as good for the battery over time.
Secondly, it's better for the environment.
Since I first posted this, Carphone Warehouse in the UK has released a range of 'eco-chargers' for Nokia, SE and Samsung phones that cut out when the load drops (ie when the phone reaches full charge) and will stay off until the user presses a button on the wall plug.
It's a good idea, if a somewhat-impractical design. Placing the button on the wall plug is a bit stupid IMO.
I was actually using a Motorola wall charger at work recently and it seems it has the same function built-in.
When I checked to see if it was fully-charged, my HD wasn't showing as being connected to a charger, it was just showing a full battery. At first I thought it had been un-plugged it switched off by a colleague but when I checked, it wasn't. So I disconnected the phone and re-connected it and the charger symbol appeared in the bar at the top of the screen but, lo-and-behold, a few minutes later the same thing had happened.
Surely chargers these days are intelligent enough to drop to virtually zero output once the battery has charged and then only supply sufficient to maintain that charge.
It's not like leaving the tap on in the bathtub running overnight and flooding the bathroom.
The vast majority of chargers are capable of trickle charging but I already addressed that in my last post.
So the original battery in my phone.. well... sucked. When I pulled the phone off the charger it would jump down to 93% no matter how long it was on the charger etc. Any attempt to bump charge was thwarted in the fact that I cant charge the phone when its off (it automatically turns on and boots into CWM). Wiping the battery stats when the battery read 100% in the OS would still result in the above.
So I ordered that 1600mah battery from Seidio. Ran the charge out of it yesterday and charged it to full during the evening/night. Wake up this morning, pull the charger out of the phone, and BOOM 100% power. Not 93%...
So was it my old battery that was bad or was there something wrong with how the phone saw its power rating?
From what I've seen with the phone, it drops down to 90% or so before it starts charging again, but it won't ever have the display show a battery decrease while plugged in.
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From what I've seen with the phone, it drops down to 90% or so before it starts charging again, but it won't ever have the display show a battery decrease while plugged in.
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Right but I can watch the meter go all the way to 100%... pull the plug and it goes down to 93% within seconds.
funny thing phone did the same thing...took it off the charger this morn and it dropped down to 95
I'm at 99% after about 2.5hrs of mostly idle usage. I've been just rebooting the phone with it on the charger in the morning, give it about 15-20 minutes and usually it'll stick at 100
"I'm at 99% after about 2.5hrs of mostly idle usage. I've been just rebooting the phone with it on the charger in the morning, give it about 15-20 minutes and usually it'll stick at 100"
same here
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"I'm at 99% after about 2.5hrs of mostly idle usage. I've been just rebooting the phone with it on the charger in the morning, give it about 15-20 minutes and usually it'll stick at 100"
same here
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All you are doing is semi-bumb charging it, which is fine if you really must have that extra 1hour of battery, but be warned, doing it constantly will damage your battery over time. that is the reason the phone has built in charging/decharge in the first place.
The reality is if your phone is sitting idle, that 5% wont matter at all once your phone attunes to your battery, and if your using the phone so heavily that your going dead long before the day is done (after attunement) then the 5% still wont matter !
i was having the same issues - 90% right after unplugging. had to charge the phone 3 times in ONE day and i never even touched the phone the whole day except to check the battery percentage.
brought it into verizon, they gave me a new battery and now it lasts me the entire day. when i pull the plug out now, it drops steadily like a normal battery should. i tried bump charging before i brought it in and it didn't help at all
The same thing has been happening to my dads Thunderbolt.
He charged it overnight, took it to work and was losing about 1% per minute without touching the phone. The only time it was touched was about 1 timer per hour to take down the battery percentage for his log.
He took it to the verizon store and they told him he should not expect anything longer than 4 hours of battery life without touching the phone..what kind of BS is that?
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So the original battery in my phone.. well... sucked. When I pulled the phone off the charger it would jump down to 93% no matter how long it was on the charger etc. Any attempt to bump charge was thwarted in the fact that I cant charge the phone when its off (it automatically turns on and boots into CWM). Wiping the battery stats when the battery read 100% in the OS would still result in the above.
So I ordered that 1600mah battery from Seidio. Ran the charge out of it yesterday and charged it to full during the evening/night. Wake up this morning, pull the charger out of the phone, and BOOM 100% power. Not 93%...
So was it my old battery that was bad or was there something wrong with how the phone saw its power rating?
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I'm having the exact opposite problem with the batteries--just ordered two of the 1600 Seidios that delivered yesterday and even after running pretty much down, fully charging overnite with the T-bolt powered down, drops to 95% immediately. Conversely, the OEM battery would stay at 100% for hours if the phone was idle (screen off / receiving any emails and SMS). Go figger.
There is a post in the Android Central forums on the 1600 battery compared to stock. After testing, they found that the two perform almost identically. Basically, it isn't worth replacing unless you go with the big HTC extended battery. Although having a spare isn't a bad idea. If only that battery door wasn't so tough to pry off when you need to change it...
nexus s had the same problem its nothing big though
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All you are doing is semi-bumb charging it, which is fine if you really must have that extra 1hour of battery, but be warned, doing it constantly will damage your battery over time. that is the reason the phone has built in charging/decharge in the first place.
The reality is if your phone is sitting idle, that 5% wont matter at all once your phone attunes to your battery, and if your using the phone so heavily that your going dead long before the day is done (after attunement) then the 5% still wont matter !
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Most of us probably won't have the phones long enough to see any possible damage. Starting off at a full 100% is a lot better than immediately dropping to 95 or so after pulling it off charger. It's kind of like the gas gauge in my truck. Stays full a while but once it moves off of full you can watch it drop. lol
Hi as stated my question is NOT to know how many of you experience charging that takes too long, but is there a SOLUTION for it?
I am using a desire s, it used to take 2hours 30min(from 15%-100%) but now a days it takes close to 5 hours to fully charge.
I've read many thread with similar problem but non seem to be able to find the solution.
I doubt it is battery related issue as i got this phone together with my friends and theirs has no issue like this.
I've tried :
1)full wipe
2)different rom(s)
3)different kernel
4)battery stat wipe
5)different charger(both are htc)
ps : I've post this in DesireS Q&A but did not get any solution.
How are you charging your phone: USB to PC it via wall charger? If it's taking longer than usual turn off the phone. I've found that this sped up the charge dramatically! By doing so, you can also see a battery simulation on the screen showing the charging process.
Also, if you're charging vis USB, the requirements are 5 volts from a USB connector. But the problem is amperage. Wall chargers can supply up to 1 amp (some will supply more, but you don't want more for a phone), while many computers will only supply 500 milliamps out of a USB connector. Thus the phone (battery) will charge faster with a higher amperage. If that doesn't do any good, you may have a bunk battery or some kind of hardware issue...
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I am using wall charger. It seems consistent to charge slower at around 70% then speed back up at 90%. Are u sure that this is a symptoms of a spoiled battery?
To me(an accountant not a technicians) it seems like the "smart" phone is tell it to charge slower at 70%.
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Same problem
I have the same problem, first when I bought my SE x10 mini pro. It charged in 1.5 hours but nw it takes about 3 hours. I don't know the reason but I'm trying to find out how to solve this problem.
I'm not entirely certain its a case of bad battery, but it does sound a bit suspicious. If you're feeling up to it, you can try this: (it's worth a shot.)
If, after rooting or more likely that case after flashing a new rom, you often have battery reporting errors and re-calibrating the battery along with some steps I will outline for you below will ensure that your battery is getting a full charge, and the battery reporting accuracy is right on.
1. Take the case off your phone (one of the latter steps involves taking the battery out from the phone while it's plugged in. Make sure your case won't stand in the way.)
2. Install Battery Calibration app from the market
3. Plug in your phone to charge while it's on, wait till it gets to a 100%
4. When the charge is 100%, open the BatteryCalibration app and lookup what the charge is in MV while at 100%. Write it down.
My Atrix 2 was showing ~3400MV while at 100%, which is definitely not the maximum capacity.
5. Discharge your phone completely until it shuts off.
A good way of doing this quickly is by turning on wifi, and a video player.
6. Without turning on the phone plug it into a wall charger and let it get to 100%
7. When it's at 100%, without unplugging it from the wall charger, take off the battery cover, and take the battery out.
Your phone will "reboot" and show a Missing Battery icon.
8. Without unplugging the phone from the wall charger or turning it on, put the battery back in and wait until the phone recognizes the battery.
9. Your battery should now be recognized by the phone, and showing a charge % significantly lower than 100%.
Mine showed only 5%.
10. Let it sit there charging for 2-3 hours (or more).
My phone wouldn't charge past 10%, but yours might. The numbers don't matter much as the phone is definitely getting additional charge that could have been lost while flashing ROMs, etc.
11. After 2-3 hours (or more), turn the phone on while holding the volume down button and get into CWM.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
12. Wipe battery stats and reboot.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
13. When the phone turns on, go into Battery Calibration app again and look up your MV numbers -if you were like me, they should be significantly higher than before. After this whole process I had 4351MV at 100%, comparing to 3400MV before calibration.
Do not disconnect it from the charger still!
14. Make sure your wifi and data connections are off. Now finally unplug the phone from the charger.
Go to bed, let your phone sleep too.
The next morning, use your phone as normal throughout the day. Then when it comes time to charge again, see if that does anything for your battery life and/or charging times...
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I liked your current charge curve..
bump
ps : i did try out #5 but no success
best way is shut down device when charging
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Yes is charges quickly when the phone is off, but what if i am expecting a call or some sort. Could it be a script some where to tell the phone when should it start slow charge or something similar?
Anyone using this battery charging case? Bought one from Amazon a week ago, it works great but there is one problem.
As we know when just charge the phone using any USB C cable. I usually charge it at night when I goto bed, so when it charges the phone up to 100% full and the phone will remain 100% unless I unplug the charger (doesn't matter how many hours or days)
But if I put the Alpatronix battery case on my phone, when I charge it all together (according to the manual , it was programmed to charge my galaxy s8 first then battery case) When my phone reaches 100% it stopped charging and I can see the battery starts draining even though my charge cable still connected. This is what I don't understand. I tested it with straight charging cable and wireless charging. Both end up the same with the Battery case attached. It will charge my phone and the battery case for sure, but it stops charging while my phone reaches 100%. And when it starts draining from 100 to 99 and so on. It will not automatically charge my phone itself till it is full. It will only charge the phone when I am not using battery case. My phone will remain 100% all the time with charge cable connected. No matter how long I have the phone connected to the charger, hrs, days. It will keep it 100%. I wonder what is the main problem? Would it be a defective Alpatronix battery case?
I think it is normal?
I've had many kind of power bank, which is the same principle as battery case. Most of them stopped charging when phone battery is full, and yes, you need to initiate the charging again if the phone battery starts decreasing (usually by pressing the button).
Well, there are several "smart" power banks that starts charging when you plug in the phone, and does trickle charging when the phone is full. But, what I want to say is that not every power bank is made of the same system.
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I think it is normal?
I've had many kind of power bank, which is the same principle as battery case. Most of them stopped charging when phone battery is full, and yes, you need to initiate the charging again if the phone battery starts decreasing (usually by pressing the button).
Well, there are several "smart" power banks that starts charging when you plug in the phone, and does trickle charging when the phone is full. But, what I want to say is that not every power bank is made of the same system.
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Are you talking about power bank or battery case?
If you know any battery case that has the feature I mentioned above, can you give me the name?
I have a few power banks but I don't like carry it separately. Battery case is more convenient.
Phone is a ANS UL40 running 7.1.1
Battery will randomly go from partial charge to 0%.
This just started happening after having the phone about 6 months.
If I leave the phone unplugged overnight, it will be dead by morning (this is a new thing, it holds a charge pretty well). Doesn't have to be overnight either, could be just a half hour or something. The battery just dies randomly.
Even if I do have the phone plugged in and have the screen on (watching a youtube stream) it will randomly go to 0% and self shutdown.
Stock battery which seems to be stuck inside the phone. It doesn't seem to come out, I don't know if it's glued in or what.
ANS branded 3.8v 1700mAh 6.46Wh part # UL40BATT limited charge voltage: 4.35v
Printed: "Warning: This battery is built-in and is not removable"
boogersugar said:
Phone is a ANS UL40 running 7.1.1
Battery will randomly go from partial charge to 0%.
This just started happening after having the phone about 6 months.
If I leave the phone unplugged overnight, it will be dead by morning (this is a new thing, it holds a charge pretty well). Doesn't have to be overnight either, could be just a half hour or something. The battery just dies randomly.
Even if I do have the phone plugged in and have the screen on (watching a youtube stream) it will randomly go to 0% and self shutdown.
Stock battery which seems to be stuck inside the phone. It doesn't seem to come out, I don't know if it's glued in or what.
ANS branded 3.8v 1700mAh 6.46Wh part # UL40BATT limited charge voltage: 4.35v
Printed: "Warning: This battery is built-in and is not removable"
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Its actually removable -
I have the same issue with mine and I just received it as a replacement phone about 3 months ago. If anyone has a clue as to what to do please share. Been to all the blog pages and customer pages related to this model and it seems to be a recurring issue and so is overheating and a dozen other things. What the point in having Lifeline when all the phones that they give or sell don't work.
And I thought it was just me. Needing a lifeline phone seems to mean we get the worst of the worst devices. I had to pay extra for the UL40 because the "free" phone was useless. The UL40 is near useless, and this battery issue makes it unreliable.
i have the UL40 and requested a replacement phone (because of unsustainable malware issues that survived a factory reset) and the L50 they sent me had this issue. i couldn't find a solution and had to request another replacement.
oddly, i occasionally experienced an apparent battery discharge (phone powers off, needs to be connected to power to boot up again) but when it powered back on the battery was at ~65%, clearly plenty of power.
my completely uneducated guess is that the battery terminals in some of these phones are loose, either causing the battery to discharge completely or simply disconnect momentarily, resulting in the phone losing power.