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Beloved Hermes users,
I've taken the liberty of uploading all the current ROMs onto RapidShare for our downloading pleasure. I've also updated the wiki with links to all the new locations so that when the files are removed from the XDA hosted FTP we'll still have a place to get a hold of the files. I believe this will be the easiest, quickest method as opposed to using Torrents. That way we don't need any extra software to download the files and no seeders will be needed, either. If the links to these files will ever be required to be removed from the wiki along with the FTP files, I still have the full list of download locations so we can move the info onto any page we would need in the future.
Thanks
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Beloved Hermes users,
I've taken the liberty of uploading all the current ROMs onto RapidShare for our downloading pleasure. I've also updated the wiki with links to all the new locations so that when the files are removed from the XDA hosted FTP we'll still have a place to get a hold of the files. I believe this will be the easiest, quickest method as opposed to using Torrents. That way we don't need any extra software to download the files and no seeders will be needed, either. If the links to these files will ever be required to be removed from the wiki along with the FTP files, I still have the full list of download locations so we can move the info onto any page we would need in the future.
Thanks
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Excellent, thanks!
prsnow said:
Beloved Hermes users,
I've taken the liberty of uploading all the current ROMs onto RapidShare for our downloading pleasure. I've also updated the wiki with links to all the new locations so that when the files are removed from the XDA hosted FTP we'll still have a place to get a hold of the files. I believe this will be the easiest, quickest method as opposed to using Torrents. That way we don't need any extra software to download the files and no seeders will be needed, either. If the links to these files will ever be required to be removed from the wiki along with the FTP files, I still have the full list of download locations so we can move the info onto any page we would need in the future.
Thanks
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We worship you!
Phil
Question: RapidShare doesn't delete a file after a certain period of inactivity? Some old files might be useful in the future, for example a certain BL1.04 ROM that match my CID...
i think if you have a full account in rapidshare, it'd be fine.
There's also an effort underway to move the library to FTP sites located outside the infleuence of m$ legal. They have no power in some areas of the world. This appears to be the ultimate solution to this issue. ITMT, rapidshare is a very good interim solution too IMO. Thanks!
If the petition is anything to go by, it would appear that m$ has merely generated (a whole lot of) bad publicity with their edict. I'm still hoping we can work with them in a positive manner because I believe that the XDA developers truly boost sales of their devices far beyond the additional costs of the occasional owner asking for operator support on cooked roms.
Sleuth255 said:
There's also an effort underway to move the library to FTP sites located outside the infleuence of m$ legal. They have no power in some areas of the world. This appears to be the ultimate solution to this issue. ITMT, rapidshare is a very good interim solution too IMO. Thanks!
If the petition is anything to go by, it would appear that m$ has merely generated (a whole lot of) bad publicity with their edict. I'm still hoping we can work with them in a positive manner because I believe that the XDA developers truly boost sales of their devices far beyond the additional costs of the occasional owner asking for operator support on cooked roms.
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I completely agree!
You know, Sweden is the pirates haven Move the whole site to Sweden!
maybe that's where the mirror ftp sites are
Sleuth255 said:
There's also an effort underway to move the library to FTP sites located outside the infleuence of m$ legal. They have no power in some areas of the world. This appears to be the ultimate solution to this issue. ITMT, rapidshare is a very good interim solution too IMO. Thanks!
If the petition is anything to go by, it would appear that m$ has merely generated (a whole lot of) bad publicity with their edict. I'm still hoping we can work with them in a positive manner because I believe that the XDA developers truly boost sales of their devices far beyond the additional costs of the occasional owner asking for operator support on cooked roms.
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Support here at XDA-Devlopers helps influence my purchasing a HTC device, if anything happens to this site I would rethink my next purchases to not include M$ OS
This site is priceless for the amount of support it provides.
Agreement...........................TOTALLY!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
Sleuth255,
IMO, if M$ was so concerned, they should "MABYE" partner with the community to "interchange" intellectual property (some of you great brains on the sight) & maybe the end result will be a much better product when released & the need for update after update........... will be slowed. On the developmental side, this forum gives the and "EXCELLENT" beta testing ground to bring the best product available to market...........
Wouldn't that "BOOST" their bottom line???????
MY TWO CENTS,
vpu2....OUT!!!!
Sleuth255 said:
There's also an effort underway to move the library to FTP sites located outside the infleuence of m$ legal. They have no power in some areas of the world. This appears to be the ultimate solution to this issue. ITMT, rapidshare is a very good interim solution too IMO. Thanks!
If the petition is anything to go by, it would appear that m$ has merely generated (a whole lot of) bad publicity with their edict. I'm still hoping we can work with them in a positive manner because I believe that the XDA developers truly boost sales of their devices far beyond the additional costs of the occasional owner asking for operator support on cooked roms.
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Totally Agree. The reason that I have stayed through the cycles of these devices from Blueangel on is this site. I mean I have other phones that just SIT on my desk drawer nad have been for a loooooooooong time. My HTC devices with WM software, I use and resue them and I keep purchasing the new and better devices.
Bottomline: I use and buy more of the HTC devices with MS software because of this site. I mean I have 3 versions of Wizard, 2 of HERMES for crying out loud. I think the users of this site ARE users like me that tweak and use the software/hardware to the best of their abilities AND share that info.
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Beloved Hermes users,
I've taken the liberty of uploading all the current ROMs onto RapidShare for our downloading pleasure. I've also updated the wiki with links to all the new locations so that when the files are removed from the XDA hosted FTP we'll still have a place to get a hold of the files. I believe this will be the easiest, quickest method as opposed to using Torrents. That way we don't need any extra software to download the files and no seeders will be needed, either. If the links to these files will ever be required to be removed from the wiki along with the FTP files, I still have the full list of download locations so we can move the info onto any page we would need in the future.
Thanks
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Can you also upload the new RUU Radio's from the bottom of the Radio ROM Wiki and there is one more Cooked ROM on the Shipped ROM page (Cingular 2.06/Radio 1.27) I am hosting those but running out of bandwidth. I have to take those down soon.
wpbear said:
Can you also upload the new RUU Radio's from the bottom of the Radio ROM Wiki and there is one more Cooked ROM on the Shipped ROM page (Cingular 2.06/Radio 1.27) I am hosting those but running out of bandwidth. I have to take those down soon.
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Sure, I'll do that right now.
cyberdrakula said:
Totally Agree. The reason that I have stayed through the cycles of these devices from Blueangel on is this site. I mean I have other phones that just SIT on my desk drawer nad have been for a loooooooooong time. My HTC devices with WM software, I use and resue them and I keep purchasing the new and better devices.
Bottomline: I use and buy more of the HTC devices with MS software because of this site. I mean I have 3 versions of Wizard, 2 of HERMES for crying out loud. I think the users of this site ARE users like me that tweak and use the software/hardware to the best of their abilities AND share that info.
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If you are interested in selling one of those Hermes for a decent price PM me!
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Sure, I'll do that right now.
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Ok when I see it on the Wiki, I will take the old links offline. Thanks
i will also help in efforts as i have a few dedicated servers around the world. i almost have the entire ftp mirrored
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i will also help in efforts as i have a few dedicated servers around the world. i almost have the entire ftp mirrored
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Awesome! Thanks for your help! Looks like this "no more ROMs" issue just might not be an issue after all...
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Sure, I'll do that right now.
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Can you update the Wiki for extracted Radio ROM NBH files at the bottom the page for Rapidshare hosting.
Thanks for uploading the Shipped ROMs, I see the update on the Wiki and I removed the ones I hosted. I only get 100GB a month bandwidth sorry, fortunatley for me the site just downgraded all new memebers to only 50GB month, I was grandfathered. Still good site, uploadingit.com
ok well i have the entire ftp site mirrored. lol all 13 gigs of it. all roms and programs that were on there along with the most concurrent uploads. i will work on uploading them onto a server say across the pond so that we can all have what we wanted back. not to say that rapidshare isnt a good idea it is just too time consuming espically for people that dont pay to use it and have to wait to download. Will update the Wiki accordingly
MOD EDIT: JUST TO CLARIFY. WHILE THIS IS A GREAT IDEA AND WORTHY OF BEING TEMPORARILY STUCK, THIS ISN'T AN OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED XDA SITE AND SHOULD BE USED AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Thats right!
Im offering free hosting to anyone who is creating ROMS, themes, etc
All you have to do is send me an message telling me your interest and i will set up a sub domain and ftp access
my server has unlimited space and bandwidth
Now that is a really generous offer.
Nice one
you are the best !!
i'm in the process of making a new ROM, and will contact you soon
thanks a lot..
What a nice chap
Is that server located in the USA? I'm guessing by your location...
I have a server in the UK that can also be used if desired. It's only 4GB in storage, but I doubt custom ROM's would take up that much space.
Not meaning to take over your thread however, sorry!
The server is in Toronto, the speed may not be the best for all my european friends here but i doubt it's going to be horrible.
The fact i got unlimited space and bw will give them the opportunity to even make a webpage if they want, forums for bugs and stuff.. the're own little portal if they want.
Heh nice! A couple of counter-strike:source servers whilst you at it? Joking.... or am i? no seriously just kidding.
thats hilarious
people still play that game? meh im a console guy anyways!
bump for an awsome offer
Remember, you can use this to host your own domain (if you have one) create your own website, SQL, SSL, everything you need!
Take advantage of this!
Wow thats amazing offer dude
(dont make roms, but just thought deffonatly worth a thankyou not just from the makers, but from the people who will be downloading from it too!)
Gotten a few more, keep them coming!
haha, thanks again btw, been uploading shiz to it already. I am QUITE tempted to host a proxy....with http uploading...
i might, take a look at the site in my sig.. its for themes, and il make new themes once 2.1 sense is released
but yea i could use a host that lets me use my own domain!
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i might, take a look at the site in my sig.. its for themes, and il make new themes once 2.1 sense is released
but yea i could use a host that lets me use my own domain!
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just let me know with a pm
bumping for all these new ROMs out there that might need a home
This is awesome work! I am sure ROM builders and Theme designers would love this offer. I can't wait to see VillainROM taking advantage of your offer.
kriEv,
Sent a PM regarding this offer. A very good one, and I'm sure more ROMs will be glad to take you up, especially if it means no more waiting on hosting sites and faffing around...
Cheers,
pulser
EDIT, and BTW, for the poster above me, I will be likely looking to host some mods for villainROM such as (hopefully) JIT for a stock build etc. and maybe some themes requested by users. The end idea to make a 'mini-kitchen' to store the mini update.zips, then folks can come along and help themselves to some ingredients for their ROM.
At some point, if anyone with scripting experience wanted to come onboard, we could look at making a kitchen, although I guess that would put significant load on the server, which would not really be fair on kriEv... So maybe best to just stick to a DIY kitchen unless anyone has any ideas for the 'drive-through'
Temporarily stuck to get the word out. Thanks for being so generous kriEv!
Vexxhost by any chance?
Hi all, i am also providimg free image hosting for your screenshot for maximum 3 year You may use it at http://www.apadmedia.com/photosharing
Why free? I just want the extra space to be fully utilize.
Thanks
楼主牛x啊，好人一个！
So, new to this game, but a reasonably good tech head by trade. I didn't see any information outlining the differences between the available GTab ROMs in an apples to apples sort of way. Does anything like that exist currently? If not, is this something the community would be interested in brainstorming in a Google Doc or something? I'm happy to get things rolling if so.
Okay, so, this might be stupid, or a total waste of time, but what the heck:
https(colon,slash,slash)spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au8YYie-Ky7kdDNQRG8zN09xYnQ2NTVvOXY1ZTFtMXc&hl=en&authkey=CJC3j5oC
I went ahead and started working up a spreadsheet. Feel free to go in and start editing, adding important features, correcting, or whatever else. If someone else has beaten me to this, just say so.
I actually think it is an awesome idea and should help a lot of people decide what ROM they want to use. I have had my GTab since Christmas and have flashed mine over 20 times. I have tried all of the ROMs available on these forums multiple times and I don't think I would have needed to if a spreadsheet like this was in place earlier.
Okay, I think I seeded the spreadsheet with as much information as I can based on the various ROM threads. It'll be up to the community to help fill in some of the remaining gaps and such. And feel free to add in new feature checkpoints as well that users would find relevant. I'll keep curating the document to keep it consistent, and will fill in more once I actually have my G-Tablet in hand.
Features, add features that we could us, so those of us who want a rom that performs the tasks we want can see which one best suits us.
just some egs
bluetooth gps support
usb gps support (dont think this will be possible till hc is availabe)
usb g3 support
proxy support
external or bt keyboard and mouse support
.....
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Okay, so, this might be stupid, or a total waste of time, but what the heck:
https(colon,slash,slash)spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au8YYie-Ky7kdDNQRG8zN09xYnQ2NTVvOXY1ZTFtMXc&hl=en&authkey=CJC3j5oC
I went ahead and started working up a spreadsheet. Feel free to go in and start editing, adding important features, correcting, or whatever else. If someone else has beaten me to this, just say so.
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Neither stupid nor a waste of time: I have been wanting to do something similar for a while - decide what/whether to upgrade my TNTLite 2.2 install to, I just haven't found the time or energy.
Your spreadsheet is very helpful. You should start a thread for it in the 'G Tablet Android Development' forum and see if you can get it stickied: I'll bet a LOT of other people will find it useful too. Maybe the various developers will chime in and help you fill in the blanks.
*thumbs up!*
I for one thank you for your time and effort. I am waiting on my Gtab to be delivered and am trying to decide which ROM to use. With this spreadsheet I can see the pros/cons of the major players at a glance. I think I will go with Vega.
Tt
Icedvoco said:
Features, add features that we could us, so those of us who want a rom that performs the tasks we want can see which one best suits us.
just some egs
bluetooth gps support
usb gps support (dont think this will be possible till hc is availabe)
usb g3 support
proxy support
external or bt keyboard and mouse support
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Tossed some extra fields in for those requests.
999pings, thanks, I'll start a second thread once I have the requisite posts to do so in the Developer forum. I was sort of torn what the right place was to post this to begin with. Mods, feel free to merge the threads if necessary once I get the second one going.
Yeah thanks this would be helpful. It's always easier to have a side-by-side comparison than having to read through a long list of change logs and hundreds of pages of comments on what works and what doesn't. I too am waiting for my tablet to come in the mail and deciding which ROM to go with. I was basing my decision on popularity and that award going to TnT based on thread activity. Of course that doesn't always mean it's the best choice. I'd like to see this spreadsheet take shape in the next few days or so
Perhaps you can model yours after one that SimonNWalker here at XDA did:
http://db.androidspin.com/androidspin_release_matrix.asp
Something along those lines would be nice once I have the data put together from everyone. Likewise, it'd be nice to find a wiki for it to live on, some place that it could continue to be maintained over time. Ideally something like this can take off in a way that it wouldn't need me (or any single person) to constantly curate it.
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Likewise, it'd be nice to find a wiki for it to live on, some place that it could continue to be maintained over time. Ideally something like this can take off in a way that it wouldn't need me (or any single person) to constantly curate it.
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I don't know much about it, but there is Wiki functionality within XDA if this gains popularity. The spreadsheet/chart can definitely grow over time especially when Honeycomb comes out. There will be many more flavors of ROMs being released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
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I don't know much about it, but there is Wiki functionality within XDA if this gains popularity. The spreadsheet/chart can definitely grow over time especially when Honeycomb comes out. There will be many more flavors of ROMs being released.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
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Oh, fantastic. That'll do great. I'll check into porting the stuff over to that once things fill in. Loves me some wiki action.
g1no23 said:
I actually think it is an awesome idea and should help a lot of people decide what ROM they want to use. I have had my GTab since Christmas and have flashed mine over 20 times. I have tried all of the ROMs available on these forums multiple times and I don't think I would have needed to if a spreadsheet like this was in place earlier.
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I agree, excellent idea. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
I was about to embark upon getting VPN access working using TNTLite, now I know that I can switch to Vegan if it gets too complicated.
Here is the link since I thing the OP could not post it up
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...NTVvOXY1ZTFtMXc&hl=en&authkey= CJC3j5oC#gid=0
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Here is the link since I thing the OP could not post it up
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...NTVvOXY1ZTFtMXc&hl=en&authkey= CJC3j5oC#gid=0
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Yeah, thanks. Forums require a minimum of 8 posts to include links. I just joined, so had to fake it a little, heh.
Thankyou TheQuicksilver!!
Sticky??
I suggest adding a column for stock TNT, and maybe even 1 for stock+enhancement?
That would be helpful for those trying to decide to stay stock or not.
Jim
TheQuicksilver said:
Okay, so, this might be stupid, or a total waste of time, but what the heck:
https(colon,slash,slash)spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au8YYie-Ky7kdDNQRG8zN09xYnQ2NTVvOXY1ZTFtMXc&hl=en&authkey=CJC3j5oC
I went ahead and started working up a spreadsheet. Feel free to go in and start editing, adding important features, correcting, or whatever else. If someone else has beaten me to this, just say so.
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Brand new to the GTab.. Picking a ROM and rooting tonight. This resource helps immensely! Thanks!
Just wanted to say thanks for this. This would be great to have as a "sticky" so we don't have to search for it, and for new owners to see at the top of the page.
I had few days ago lots of problems with downloading new roms.
They are all on file hosts.
So when there are lots of downloaders download is slow.
Werry slow.
Why dont you upload your roms on some torrent tracker?
or make your own tracker and let the donloaders seed your rom for you.
Mutch better speeds is what you get.
Because seeding is a hit or miss. Some roms may not have enough seeders and your seed count will reset after every update
Sent from my PG86100 using XDA
Hmm.
But i think would be more hit.
Lot of people have a root server or seedbox.
And when not fast upload from home.
So why not.
Ok there are more reasons then speed.
Is there eny file host which gives better speeds?
I've never really had a problem with where dev's host their files. Dropbox is usually fast and there is always someone who mirrors the file if traffic gets a little busy
the question really is....do the devs need to put their ROMs on torrent websites (which are being closed down one by one)
There have hardly been any problems from the direct download websites except when everybody rushes like a stampede to download the latest ROMs. Dropbox, goo.im along with other hosting sites seem fine
Well not every tracker has illegal stuff.
There are trackers who has only legal stuff.
But ok.
It was only an idea.
It works werry good with linux distributions.
So i think why not with roms.
There really isn't a strong enough demand per release to require alleviation of server bandwidth from the android file website. At least not for the 3D. From what I'm tracking, releases come too rapidly on many ROMs, only counting hits of little over a hundred.
Still a good idea though.
If there is a ROM you are having trouble downloading. I don't mind mirroring it for you. It'll take me 30 min to upload it to Dev Host since the upload cap. I never have problems downloading from Dev host as well. Feel free to pm me if that's the case.
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Well not every tracker has illegal stuff.
There are trackers who has only legal stuff.
But ok.
It was only an idea.
It works werry good with linux distributions.
So i think why not with roms.
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oh i didnt mean to say that....but hey i didnt know it works for linux distributions but its definitely an idea for the devs...depends how convenient/inconvenient it is for them
+ theres the seeding issue because if everyone downloads from direct download links, who's to seed it to the torrent tracker
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Well not every tracker has illegal stuff.
There are trackers who has only legal stuff.
But ok.
It was only an idea.
It works werry good with linux distributions.
So i think why not with roms.
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The reason is time, time to upload it and time to get seeders, linux distributions are far and few between in comparison to the amount of time a rom might receive an update.
If anyone of the seeders wants to use their internet connection for online gaming or such then they would shut down their torrent client.
I agree it could be more practical if it were organised properly, speed over torrents is decent but it's impractical to think that it will just happen and that people will seed all the time.
FTP and decent file sharing servers is the way forward, so long as they're not completely full of adware you'll be fine.
Doesn't XDA have it's own FTP site? For Roms?
Bitdroid - Home | Bitroid - Tracker | Bitdroid - Forum
Introducing Bitdroid! The dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs!
After a couple of weeks of trial-and-error, I have finally got a torrent tracker site setup and running for Android ROM developers; a place for them to create and track a torrent for their ROMs.
Why use a torrent tracker like Bitdroid.org versus regular download links? Easy: better flow of download traffic, which equates to faster downloads!
Peer-2-Peer, or P2P, (torrents in this case) are better for high-flow traffic compared to normal HTTP (sites like Mediafire) or FTP. In HTTP or FTP, users can only download, and it's only from a single server. The more people downloading a file from a single server, the slower the download for everybody on that server requesting the same file. This is not the case for P2P connections. Every user that's downloading, downloads from another user. All of the users download are also uploading to other users, so the traffic is not coming from a single source. It is coming from many sources, alleviating slow downloads, enabling higher traffic. P2P is a much superior way to distribute large files (such as Android ROMs).
So where did this idea come from? After the release of several popular ROMs, I saw people complaining about slow download speeds, and having to upload to several different download mirrors for others to download at a fast pace again, until those became "clogged" for a while as well. P2P, as previously mentioned, would have alleviated this and reduced (or even eliminated) the need for several HTTP / FTP mirrors. HTTP download links could still be provided, but torrent links could also be provided to help alleviate high traffic, congested downloads.
P2P also allows tracking and stats of an individual download. Each file is tracked by the amount of seeders (people uploading), leechers (people downloading), and total downloads.
I've searched, and I couldn't find a dedicated torrent tracker for Android ROMs; I could only find trackers for general use, or other specific uses (movies, games, etc.), of which not all of these are completely safe due to concern of possible copyrighted content. With Bitdroid, only Android ROMs are allowed, and it is preferred that the original developer of the ROM uploads the file (or with permission from the developer, a 3rd-party user could upload the ROM). Since Android is open-source, there aren't any legal concerns of piracy and such due the open-source licensing of the Android OS.
For an added layer of "security" only an approved member group is allowed to upload files. You must be manually added to the group before being able to upload torrents, to try and further discourage potential piracy or unauthorized uploading of ROMs.
I currently have a splash-page setup, that links to the actual tracker, as well as a forum (work-in-progress).
If you're a developer or know a developer, please sign up on the torrent tracker and/or forum and I can get you setup to upload your torrents, and don't forget to spread the word!
If you have any questions or comments, please either post here or on the website! Come and check it out!
Note: I have permission from both YZ and af974 to post this.
So nice I been waiting for this for so long. Thanks a lot
The majority of devs don't want their roms on torrents.
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The majority of devs don't want their roms on torrents.
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Why exactly is that reasoning? It's not illegal, and its a tracker for only android ROMs. Download stats could also be viewed which can be a little bonus if the dev was wondering how many downloads they were getting.. Torrents > HTTP / FTP for mass distribution of large files.
We have full control over the links.
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We have full control over the links.
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Elaborate please. You have control over the links on a tracker as well. Its setup so you can delete the torrent if you really want to.
Like I said.. P2P > HTTP / FTP.
Devs don't only have to distribute via Torrent either... can still have HTTP / FTP mirrors for users that don't want to use a torrent client.
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So nice I been waiting for this for so long. Thanks a lot
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No problem. I've been waiting for one too, and couldn't find one so I decided to bite the bullet.
don't let the haters get you down.
I want to assure you the initial negative feedback and opposition is generally a common experience among anyone pitching a new idea that hasn't really been done yet.
I mean, what did you expect to hear?
'yeah! do it!' or 'why didn't I think of that? you're genius is astonishing!' No. Naturally our ego's tell us to reply with 'why I haven't done that yet, and won't', or 'big hurdle I foresee'.
So, make like a nike, and just do it!
Believe me, after watching a few of my favorite devs in the vivow community lose past versions of roms they had stored and backed up forever (almost*) lost with the goo.im epic fail recently. They wish they used torrents instead of having control over the downloads with just one server.
Don't let the haters get you down. The only reason they hate on you is because they don't want to like you, but they do.
Good luck!
agree with con on this one.
How stable is a torrent? I would be leary of flashing a ROM that came from 500 different sources at the same time. If a Dev uses a good hosting site, I have noticed no problems with downloads.
nrfitchett4 said:
agree with con on this one.
How stable is a torrent? I would be leary of flashing a ROM that came from 500 different sources at the same time. If a Dev uses a good hosting site, I have noticed no problems with downloads.
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MD5.
I, also, have been waiting ages for this. Glad to see it finally coming to fruition.
Been waiting on this. I hope devs hop abroad. There's potential pitfalls of course but the outcome could be good.
Synergized GS3
guystyles said:
I want to assure you the initial negative feedback and opposition is generally a common experience among anyone pitching a new idea that hasn't really been done yet.
I mean, what did you expect to hear?
'yeah! do it!' or 'why didn't I think of that? you're genius is astonishing!' No. Naturally our ego's tell us to reply with 'why I haven't done that yet, and won't', or 'big hurdle I foresee'.
So, make like a nike, and just do it!
Believe me, after watching a few of my favorite devs in the vivow community lose past versions of roms they had stored and backed up forever (almost*) lost with the goo.im epic fail recently. They wish they used torrents instead of having control over the downloads with just one server.
Don't let the haters get you down. The only reason they hate on you is because they don't want to like you, but they do.
Good luck!
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Oh I'm not letting them get me down. I just want actual opinions and reasons as to why they don't think it's a good idea, not any stereotypical-XDA "*****ing like little kids" posts. I want constructive criticism, or actual reasons as to why people don't think it's a good idea.
nrfitchett4 said:
agree with con on this one.
How stable is a torrent? I would be leary of flashing a ROM that came from 500 different sources at the same time. If a Dev uses a good hosting site, I have noticed no problems with downloads.
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Torrents are very stable. They download tiny pieces at a time (few MB if that) and then verify it. If the piece fails a hash check, then it's disposed of an re-downloaded from users. I've had this happen to me a few times, and you can see in your torrent client that X amount of pieces have failed hash checks. IMO, it's MUCH more stable and safe than HTTP / FTP. I VERY rarely ever get a bad download from torrents since each piece is hash checked.
As far as using the good hosting site... yes, it can be stable for less people, but what about when they first release a ROM and they're a popular dev? They have how many people downloading from a SINGLE link, until people upload more mirrors (which get buried in the mass posting spree anyway). I got the idea for this after watching this go down in the Viper ROM thread. Tons of people were complaining about slow downloads, and a bunch of people had to post mirrors. Instead of doing that... why not just use torrents and avoid the hassle of waiting for external mirrors from random people? I could say the same thing about being leary about flashing a ROM from an external mirror from somebody other than the dev... they could have corrupted it, inserted malware, etc..
GrayTheWolf said:
MD5.
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This. Include a text file with the torrent, or in the description, containing the MD5 sum. It's NO different at all than a normal download other than potential for faster downloads if a lot of users are using it. When less users are using it... go back to the HTTP download if the torrent isn't fast enough.
blestsol said:
Been waiting on this. I hope devs hop abroad. There's potential pitfalls of course but the outcome could be good.
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Thanks. I'm hoping devs do hop on because IMO it could become quite successful.
Help spread the word if you like! I may make a smaller sig banner button if people want one, so they can put it in their sigs to help spread the word to devs.
I like this idea. I feel like Devs may not jump on it right away (although they should) but will definitely be successful later on. I have used many many torrents (for things like anime etc) and they are very successful. I believe i have also never had a bad download from a torrent. Speeds can be somewhat iffy (the only problem i may see) because i feel like many users here would not want to always be sharing their speeds. Many big open source linux clients however still have good speeds always. This could be because they have a few dedicated seeders, but I'm not sure.
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I like this idea. I feel like Devs may not jump on it right away (although they should) but will definitely be successful later on. I have used many many torrents (for things like anime etc) and they are very successful. I believe i have also never had a bad download from a torrent. Speeds can be somewhat iffy (the only problem i may see) because i feel like many users here would not want to always be sharing their speeds. Many big open source linux clients however still have good speeds always. This could be because they have a few dedicated seeders, but I'm not sure.
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If I can scrounge up some money to put another drive in my server, I can have it as a bit of a seedbox as well. I can download the ROMs and help seed them when the user count is low.
The tracker base I'm using (phpMyBittorrent) also supports a "seed request" system I believe, so users can request reseeds of dead / low seeded torrents.
The only issue I have with this (not that my opinion matters) is that people will download to their phones and not seed. I have my torrent client set not to seed, for the sake of battery life.
johnwaynegacy said:
The only issue I have with this (not that my opinion matters) is that people will download to their phones and not seed. I have my torrent client set not to seed, for the sake of battery life.
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Quite the contrary.. your opinion does matter. I want to hear everybody's concerns so I can address them if they are something to be considered to help develop this. I believe this would probably be a minority issue. Not many people have a torrent client on their phone. If anything, you can setup web access from uTorrent and manage your torrents from your mobile that way, as well, so that you can still seed.
Torrents are much more stable than http. But ur main point in doing this (faster speeds due to http being congested when a lot of people download at same time) is flawed.Unless devs have a very fast upload speed or seedbox, torrents will be even slower (waaaay slower) until many people have the file. This will result in much more *****ing than there is now.Also this wouldn't be a good way for devs to keep their rom stored because as soon as a rom is outdated nobody will seed it. And like somebody else said nobody is going to want to seed every single rom the decide to download. If people aren't required to seed for fear of being banned from a private site then the majority won't seed. Simple as that. With that being said when a torrent has a healthy amount of seeders its by far the fastest way to download files. I wish this would work but unfortunately I don't think the demand is enough to support it.
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squidder said:
Torrents are much more stable than http. But ur main point in doing this (faster speeds due to http being congested when a lot of people download at same time) is flawed.Unless devs have a very fast upload speed or seedbox, torrents will be even slower (waaaay slower) until many people have the file.
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I know this; which is pretty much what I said in a couple posts. And also like I said, devs could still pick HTTP mirrors besides a torrent; I'm not saying get rid of HTTP / FTP, I'm just saying add this on as an option.
This will result in much more *****ing than there is now.Also this wouldn't be a good way for devs to keep their rom stored because as soon as a rom is outdated nobody will seed it.
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If I get more extra cash (college + an apartment is expensive), I will add a larger HDD in my server to store ROMs on. I'm not really counting on this as a way for ROM storage; just as a way for ROM distribution.
And like somebody else said nobody is going to want to seed every single rom the decide to download. If people aren't required to seed for fear of being banned from a private site then the majority won't seed. Simple as that. With that being said when a torrent has a healthy amount of seeders its by far the fastest way to download files. I wish this would work but unfortunately I don't think the demand is enough to support it.
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The tracker base I'm using supports private tracker / ratio-based functions. Right now I have it set to freeleech, but I can always set it to ratio-based. And like I said previously, it also has a request system built into it, which could be used to request a ROM be started up again for seeding.
I don't think stability is an issue with torrents, but the issue I see is that if there's a bug found and the dev wants that rom pulled, or if it gets outdated quickly, you can't stop people from sharing it even if you take it off the tracker. Any open connections will continue, so as long as people are up and running and someone is seeding, a "bad" release could keep being shared and people might not know of an update if they're not keeping up with it.
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I don't think stability is an issue with torrents, but the issue I see is that if there's a bug found and the dev wants that rom pulled, or if it gets outdated quickly, you can't stop people from sharing it even if you take it off the tracker. Any open connections will continue, so as long as people are up and running and someone is seeding, a "bad" release could keep being shared and people might not know of an update if they're not keeping up with it.
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The Dev can delete the torrent, which removes it from the tracker, and sets the status in the torrent client to unregistered. The only way it can still be distributed is through other trackers and/or DHT. I believe I can disable the use of external trackers; not sure if I can disable the use of DHT with the tracker software I'm using, though. I'll have to look into that if it really comes down to that. But, like I said, the dev can remove the ROM by deleting the torrent which should stop sharing (because there is no communication between the tracker once it updates...most clients auto-update the tracker every few minutes... I believe mine is set to every 5-10 minutes at the moment).