Anyone know where Revolutionary is at in terms of doing their magic on this thing?
WorldIRC said:
Anyone know where Revolutionary is at in terms of doing their magic on this thing?
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Besides not accomplished?
They can either get it or they can't.
We've given them every bootloader that we can get from this device and they have yet to get us S-Off.
What do you want or need S-Off for anyway?
Binary100100 said:
What do you want or need S-Off for anyway?
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Good question. I've never really read a good explanation of the difference between having s-off or s-on. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? Obviously people have rooted and installed roms with S-on so what is the point of s-off.
Sorry for the noob questions but you don't learn if you don't ask.
S-OFF is not important to me.
What is important is Warranty vs. "Chance" of no warranty.
With Revolutionary, one can revert to factory state. While one can do the same with the official HTC method, ones IMEI has already been submitted to, your warranty is in their hands.
WorldIRC said:
S-OFF is not important to me.
What is important is Warranty vs. "Chance" of no warranty.
With Revolutionary, one can revert to factory state. While one can do the same with the official HTC method, ones IMEI has already been submitted to, your warranty is in their hands.
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This is true.
I've only had to do one warranty exchange since I started using cell phones (which was the Nokia 6160). However I purchased the insurance just in case so I'm personally not worried about the warranty.
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Guy!! Finally they have released the unlocker officially...http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader/..but Flyer is not yet supported I guess..
They're never gonna unlock the Flyer.. it was for Sensation and Evo 3D only.
ikingblack said:
They're never gonna unlock the Flyer.. it was for Sensation and Evo 3D only.
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Do you enjoy spreading misinformation? How can you say something so matter of fact, when clearly you just don't know.
This unlocker is currently for Sensation and Evo 3D, however HTC has said this will become available for every device in the future, and I believe devices that were released recently.
The thing is this voids your warranty. I'd rather use unrevoked and not void my warranty.
tErbo b00st said:
Do you enjoy spreading misinformation? How can you say something so matter of fact, when clearly you just don't know.
This unlocker is currently for Sensation and Evo 3D, however HTC has said this will become available for every device in the future, and I believe devices that were released recently.
The thing is this voids your warranty. I'd rather use unrevoked and not void my warranty.
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Yeah it really is in HTC's best interest to unlock bootloaders for the devices that have been successfully rooted. If they do more people will probably try and use their method and then they will have a running tab on who unlocked. Plus with the naive people using HTC unlock they will have an out on fixing devices you messed up yourself.
tErbo b00st said:
Do you enjoy spreading misinformation? How can you say something so matter of fact, when clearly you just don't know.
This unlocker is currently for Sensation and Evo 3D, however HTC has said this will become available for every device in the future, and I believe devices that were released recently.
The thing is this voids your warranty. I'd rather use unrevoked and not void my warranty.
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My mistake. I don't know for sure, but they never announced they were going to unlock the Flyer. And how is it spreading mis information? Both of us don't know.
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Are you HTC? I see you post answers to that which you don't know. Fail
Hopefully this trickles out to more devices soon, although I prefer that they not know that the bootloader is unlocked as it is possible to go back to s-on and retain your warranty.
but its gotta be asked... is anyone working on s-off for the rezound or is that a thing of the past? just haven't seen anything posted on it for about a week now.
its dumb but i'm glad you asked it because I was wondering the same thing. I'm a fan of the "old" method. I wish it could be found for s-off without htcdev
06stang said:
its dumb but i'm glad you asked it because I was wondering the same thing. I'm a fan of the "old" method. I wish it could be found for s-off without htcdev
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HTC keeps a watch of people trying to get s-off on their devices on the internet, so the devs try not to make anything they do very public since they don't want to risk HTC plugging whatever holes they find.
bbeaulieu said:
HTC keeps a watch of people trying to get s-off on their devices on the internet, so the devs try not to make anything they do very public since they don't want to risk HTC plugging whatever holes they find.
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Makes perfect sense actually. But it does seem htc did well locking this beast up. Kind of annoying actually. Ha
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I don't think anyone is actively working on it anymore, most devs don't care about voiding their warranty.
I don't blame htc or any other manufacturer trying to lock down the phones. How many phones do you think have been exchanged because some noob bricked their phone???
Well we can do anything besides flash a radio right now. There might be people working on s-off, but hell atleast we have an unlocked bootloader. Unlike Moto cough cough cough.
I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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I've recently made a post about the Evo 4G LTE on Phil Nickson's "I've got the Evo 4G LTE ask me anything forum" on the AndroidCentral.com website but I doubt he's going to respond to me.
Can you all show support for my question that asks him if he would try out the Unlock Method that involves NOT voiding the warranty?
Thanks all!
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From what I have read, HTC says that even if you use their tool it voids the warranty. So good luck finding any way to not do that. I will just use my TEP if needed to get it swapped.
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Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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scottspa74 said:
Pretty sure OP is referring to the non-HTC way. Thus not voiding warranty.
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Exactly.
smw6180 said:
It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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Yea, which means you "unvoid" your warranty for lack of a better word.
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I just supported your cause. But even if Phil doesn't do it, I'm sure many here will try next week.
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Sweet, thanks! I just wish he would do it first so I can make sure my device won't brick lol.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Haven't tried it. I use the official HTC one. But I will say this:
If you're worried about voiding a warranty, you shouldn't be mucking about with things you need an unlocked bootloader for. My 2 cents.
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Not really a douche thing to say. He's got a point: If you're worried about voiding your warranty (which all unlock methods technically do, whether you can 'unvoid' them or not) then you shouldn't worry about rooting. Every time you do an unlock, or mess with a ROM or firmware (especially firmware, radios and such) you chance bricking your device permanently. The warranty isn't designed to cover users wrecking their own phones. It's designed to cover hardware faults in the unit, or a bad firmware OTA from the carrier. It doesn't cover it if you run over it with the car (TEP does, but TEP also doesn't care about warranties because they have a deductible anyhow), or drop it in the toilet. Bricking or frying a phone because of a bad flash, or just not knowing what you're doing isn't covered by warranty (nor should it be). Just because you can wreck your device and get it replaced because they can't tell you've done things the phone isn't necessarily specced for doesn't mean it's 'right'...just that it's possible.
Now having said all that, I'd definitely try and use my warranty if I borked my phone. If not I'd spend the money on the deductible. I'm just saying that ethically it's wrong.
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It technically does void your warranty. The only difference is that HTC doesn't have a record of it which means you can s-on before you take it in for service and Sprint wouldn't have any idea.
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I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
NasTraDooMis said:
I have read in some other threads that once you root it the phone adds some sort of internal red flag attached indicating the phone has been "tampered" with so that even if you un root and s-on they will know what you have done.
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If it is a flag, it's probably somewhere in the Bootloader partition, which, once S-Off, you can completely replace within the OS using ADB. An S-Off reversion would probably get rid of the flag, but we won't know until we get it!
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He just answered my question and is it just me or is that a douche thing to say...
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Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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scottspa74 said:
Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much. There are a few threads about HTCs position of late. That is to say, once you unlock via HTCdev, HTC is even rejecting fixing faulty hardware (screens, power buttons, etc). Pretty slimy of them. They provided the HTCdev method as a genius way to almost eliminate liability for poor quality control.
Granted, if you brick your phone doing something stupid with the software that shouldn't have been done, or did it wrong cuz you didn't read, then I agree, HTC should take no responsibility for that. But if HTC uses poor adhesives or screen is falling off, well obviously that SHOULD be covered under warranty. But if you used their method to unlock at any point, they now have a right (and a financial interest) to reject you, ...and will.
Now this is not so much of a problem for us, as sprint or asurion, or some insurance will service our phone for us. But all those with unbranded/international models are feeling pretty screwed right now, and I don't blame them. The one X has been known to have various screen problems. But a lot of people (here on xda) unlocked their bootloader the minute they got home with the phone, then later noticed screen flickering and/or spots. They are now hosed.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I'm thinking of going with SquareTrade. I doubt they will check for unlocked bootloaders...
scottspa74 said:
Apparently Phil hasn't browsed the One X forum much.
Have a look in the intn'l one x forum, you'll see what I mean.
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I have to agree with you scottspa.... I know he doesn't know that I'm an informed Android and XDA user but it seems like he talks to everyone like kids that don't know any better on AndroidCentral.com, but it seems to me that WE'RE MORE informed then that jerk. Also seems to me that he doesn't care much. Of course not. Why would he? I'm sure he's swimming in phones.
BTW, I did make note of the HTC One X issues and actually called him out on it.
Check out my latest post (which he hasn't responded to yet, of course.)
Anyone know if any specific devs or groups are working on S-OFF for this phone? I know its still brand new, but was hoping to have some people to follow on Twitter.
cambunch said:
Anyone know if any specific devs or groups are working on S-OFF for this phone? I know its still brand new, but was hoping to have some people to follow on Twitter.
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None that I know of so far. To new at the moment and there wasn't the big pre-order like the SG3 had to create a large user base.
Wonder if paperclips will be resurrected for this device like the rezound..
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maqsur said:
Wonder if paperclips will be resurrected for this device like the rezound..
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Whatever works. lol
There is a toolset in development forums to unlock and get permanent root.
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There is a toolset in development forums to unlock and get permanent root.
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HTCDev unlock + permanent root does not equal S-OFF. Unlocking your bootloader with HTCDev leaves S-ON but gives you the access to install a custom recovery and custom ROM, while restricting your ability to flash radios and kernels (not entirely restricting, mind you, but it just requires a workaround). S-OFF means a complete removal of limitations from your phone, including the ability to directly manipulate the kernel and radio. Although S-OFF is not absolutely necessary for what most people do with rooted phones (recoveries and ROMs still work fine with S-ON), some people prefer complete S-OFF.
That being said, since the bootloader is unlockable with S-ON, the impetus of getting S-OFF is significantly reduced and thus there are fewer people working on it than there were on, say, the original Incredible where it was the only way.
Chances are you will get a lazy panda port.
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That being said, since the bootloader is unlockable with S-ON, the impetus of getting S-OFF is significantly reduced and thus there are fewer people working on it than there were on, say, the original Incredible where it was the only way.
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This is what I'm worried about. I have had multiple returns with my original Dinc and my Inc2, so voiding my warranty via HTCDev is not an option for me.
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Chances are you will get a lazy panda port.
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Doesn't that require to be unlocked first or has that been bypassed now?
I've sent back many phones here at work that were unlocked and "tampered". Never had a problem whatsoever. Really I think what they mean by voiding your warranty is if you did something after unlocking it that was completely unrecoverable by HTC (which honestly I think is next to impossible) then there's a possibility that they could not honor the warranty. Really I think it's more of a disclaimer that is more based on legal obligations than it is a threat or warning.
I think it depends largely on the cause of the damage to your device. If you're returning a device because of an obvious physical hardware problem (shattered screen, for example), they aren't going to say "oh, whoops, your device's software was tampered with which obviously made the screen break, no go" and anger you as a customer. So I don't think you have to worry about that. However, if you're returning because of something that could be linked to software (audio not working or the phone failing to boot, for example), they will definitely void your warranty. The "tampered" thing is just in place to shield them against warranty abuse--it would cost them a lot of money if a lot of people unlocked via HTCDev, did something stupid to brick their device, and then got it replaced if HTC had no grounds to void their warranty. It's also used as a dissuasion for less experienced users who might risk it if they knew the warranty was solid but wouldn't risk unlocking the bootloader if they were worried about having to replace the device at full price.
But really, the best solution to all of that (in my opinion) is to get the Asurion insurance through Verizon. It's a little extra money, but you know you'll always be able to replace your device for $100 even after the warranty expires and they usually do not even bother to look at the replacement phone before they RUU it back to factory. People have sent rooted phones with custom ROMs installed to Asurion (really obvious ones, like an Incredible running ICS) without a problem.
In your experience, when selling a phone on ebay, especially one as old as the Evo 3D, is it better to sell it as rooted and s-off or revert to stock? What garners more mula?
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I think I plan on running the RUU to bring to stock, but leaving it S-Off with Custom Recovery. I figure if you know how to to get into recovery or bootloader from a Stock ROM then you'll know what you are doing. Someone who doesn't know or care about S-Off wouldn't even know.
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Well what I am concerned about is driving away costumers who do not understand rooted devices and I think leaving it optional would be just as bad. I recently sold a nexus device rooted and the price it eventually auctioned off for seemed lower than what other used, stock devices were selling for. But I think for an older device like the Evo 3D the situation is different because the lack of hype and layman costumer base. Buying a rooted, s-off evo 3D could be very attractive to someone on this forum who doesn't want to deal with doing the wire trick themselves. They might pay more than what the stock Evo 3Ds are going for.
Any thoughts on this game theory?
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I think I plan on running the RUU to bring to stock, but leaving it S-Off with Custom Recovery. I figure if you know how to to get into recovery or bootloader from a Stock ROM then you'll know what you are doing. Someone who doesn't know or care about S-Off wouldn't even know.
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Will this allow it to receive OTA updates or will I need to also relock the bootloader and replace the recovery?
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Will this allow it to receive OTA updates or will I need to also relock the bootloader and replace the recovery?
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The stock recovery is required to install OTA updates.
You can use this guide to return everything to 100% stock, but I'd suggest waiting until you get a buyer and then asking if they would like the phone S-OFF or not before setting S-ON. If they say no or don't seem to know what that means you can run the "fastboot oem writesecureflag" command before transferring the phone to them and it will be 100% stock as if it just came out of the box. If they want to receive it S-OFF and know what that means it will be very simple for them to flash a custom bootloader and recovery, then root the stock ROM or flash a custom ROM.
If that sounds too complicated, just set it to S-ON and let them worry about it.
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Rooted with costume Rom, always better, because brings more buyers, Is something different put a fancy title like htc Evo 3D rooted with costume rom... blah blah... you know what I mean.
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I think it depends, you can attract different kind of customer in both cases
I buy and sell often mobile phones.
My experience says that if buyer asks about root he secretly want it to be root.
If no questions asked he doesnt even know whats root.
So I would leave it out of the selling ad but be honest and keep it rooted.
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I buy and sell often mobile phones.
My experience says that if buyer asks about root he secretly want it to be root.
If no questions asked he doesnt even know whats root.
So I would leave it out of the selling ad but be honest and keep it rooted.
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I always leave phone rooted, but don't advertise that. While talking to potential buyer, ask if they are going to root device. If they say no or have no clue, I put it back stock for them.
I agree that sometimes putting too much information can drive people away. I wouldn't advertise the fact that it is S-OFF but it is a bonus for the customer if it is...
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I agree that sometimes putting too much information can drive people away. I wouldn't advertise the fact that it is S-OFF but it is a bonus for the customer if it is...
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I agree too. I believe most of the interest on an older phone will be from people like us, that enjoy installing new roms for these phones. In the end, having one or two of these phones to fall back on in case of an emergency is great!