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I am a flash-0-holic and am used to having many options as a G1 owener. The Atrix is a much nicer phone but I am wondering if there will be a lot of custom roms developed for it. After reading many psts it almost seems like many users are happy with the stock moto rom with hotspot/tethering and root added. I am currently looking to buy a new phone but not without custom roms. I currently like the evo 3d, atrix 4g, moto photon but still waiting on custom rom devel and unlocked boot loader. Can anybody tell me how things are for Atrix users keeping in mind what I am used to with a G1
reading the dev forum for even 5 minutes will answer most of your questions
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I am a flash-0-holic and am used to having many options as a G1 owener. The Atrix is a much nicer phone but I am wondering if there will be a lot of custom roms developed for it. After reading many psts it almost seems like many users are happy with the stock moto rom with hotspot/tethering and root added. I am currently looking to buy a new phone but not without custom roms. I currently like the evo 3d, atrix 4g, moto photon but still waiting on custom rom devel and unlocked boot loader. Can anybody tell me how things are for Atrix users keeping in mind what I am used to with a G1
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The development has just begun. Unlocked BL was about a week ago. We're working on an international unlocked BL atm, but there is a guaranteed stable 2-int international being developed as we speak and that may yield international fruitfulness.
There are 6-8 quality developers who could have a full conversation in code who work on the atrix, and a lot of normal computer geeks who help out here and there (and make simple mods such as bootscreens and such).
It's definitely a great phone, I'm so glad I got it, and the dev community is great. I would recommend it.
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I am a flash-0-holic and am used to having many options as a G1 owener. The Atrix is a much nicer phone but I am wondering if there will be a lot of custom roms developed for it. After reading many psts it almost seems like many users are happy with the stock moto rom with hotspot/tethering and root added. I am currently looking to buy a new phone but not without custom roms. I currently like the evo 3d, atrix 4g, moto photon but still waiting on custom rom devel and unlocked boot loader. Can anybody tell me how things are for Atrix users keeping in mind what I am used to with a G1
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Yeah, I was wondering about this too. I'm in canada and thinking of getting a Bell atrix. Is the unlocked bootloader worth getting an ATT one? Does anyone know if Bell is going to unlock their atrices, I hear theres a gingerbread update due in august. If I use a custom ROM like CM7, will I lose webtop, or will i be able to install it again?
Orangestrat said:
Yeah, I was wondering about this too. I'm in canada and thinking of getting a Bell atrix. Is the unlocked bootloader worth getting an ATT one? Does anyone know if Bell is going to unlock their atrices, I hear theres a gingerbread update due in august. If I use a custom ROM like CM7, will I lose webtop, or will i be able to install it again?
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knowing that the ATT one is already unlocked why wouldnt u get one over the Bell if u had a choice...IJS
djkinetic said:
knowing that the ATT one is already unlocked why wouldnt u get one over the Bell if u had a choice...IJS
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The bell ones are cheaper, don't have the ATT branding, and I would guess the radio software is different, but I"m not sure
ok so i just picked up a photon beacuse the evo 3d just a gimmick to me sgs2 i had the epic went through six in 4 months traded it for the evo wich was nice but i wanted to give the photon a look now my question is unlocking the bootloader worth it the phones quick enough as it is stock but i wanna have fun with it and whats some of ur guys overclock settings and how are they running
I have had the photon for almost 2 months now and I just rooted and unlocked the bootloader about 2 days ago. I'm running skinny rev1 rom and its awesome. Coming from a evo shift unlocking the bootloader is a lot harder on the photon but its totally worth it. And with all the video tutorials that qbking77 has it makes it very simple.
Welcome to the Photon forums. It is indeed a speedy phone with stock, but there are several roms and kernels out now that make it even faster. Also, we like to use punctuation here.
Be sure to run software updates. There were a few bugs that have been worked out by Moto.
Hi, im an owner of Samsung Epic 4G. Im grateful for XDA developers and CM for supporting Samsung Epic. But now, it getting old and Im looking in getting used Motorola Photon for faster user experience and longer battery life. I have some questions for this forum. I recalled somewhere that if you unlocked the bootloader, it will break 4G. Not sure if they got it working now. Second, I see some threads that CM9 will support this device. Is that true that moto photon devs working on it. Thank for taking ur time to answer my few questions! I hope Motorola Photon will exceed my exception!
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Hi, im an owner of Samsung Epic 4G. Im grateful for XDA developers and CM for supporting Samsung Epic. But now, it getting old and Im looking in getting used Motorola Photon for faster user experience and longer battery life. I have some questions for this forum. I recalled somewhere that if you unlocked the bootloader, it will break 4G. Not sure if they got it working now. Second, I see some threads that CM9 will support this device. Is that true that moto photon devs working on it. Thank for taking ur time to answer my few questions! I hope Motorola Photon will exceed my exception!
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Ya, unlocking the bootloader does break 4g, and we don't have a workaround.
Cm9 doesn't officially support the photon but we do have a wonderful cm9 kang that I'm running right now. Battery life is good, and pretty much everything works aside from some small things. I
Also, it requires an unlocked bootloader.
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really? Thanks! Are they working on 4G or it is impossible to fix?
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really? Thanks! Are they working on 4G or it is impossible to fix?
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There are obviously many devs spending countless hours to extract the maximum benefit from the hardware. Unfortunately Sprint & Motorola forces the enthusiast to cripple network performance as the price for experimenting.
I was naive and uneducated and bought the Photon before I realized this limitation. This is the first Android device I'be owned with a locked bootloader. It is an unusual feeling. /whiner
Best regards,
-boggsie
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is it possible to root it without unlocking bootloader?
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is it possible to root it without unlocking bootloader?
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Yes, rooting does not break 4G, only unlocking the bootloader will break 4G.
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is it possible to root it without unlocking bootloader?
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As trcurren mentions, it is possible to root without unlocking. You'll probably want to go to a Sprint store and take some time to try to setup the Photon with stuff you're likely to want if you choose to buy one.
You may not be that particular. For the last 18 months, I had always run Cyanogenmod on my devices, so that is the user experience I had come to expect. It's a great phone but, for example, when the last four devices I had on Cyanogenmod, I could setup the home screen with Launcher Go Pro in a very particular way. With the Photon, I can't quite get there.
You may end up being very, very happy. Just investigate and dive in an informed buyer.
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-boggsie
Well, it either this or Sprint galaxy SII. Motorola Photon is cheaper and it have longer battery life than Galaxy SII.
I cant see what there is to gain by unlocking and installing a rom that only works on an unlocked phone. Why should I give up 4g? Wish I knew how to make my own rom.
Questions should be in Q&A or general, but to answer your question, not everyone lives in a wimax area so what is the point of 4g when there is no signal to use?
^ this. I'll probably need someone to change my diapers for me by the time sprint has 4g in my area. Oops tmi?
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a good sprint locked rom would prolly be a good idea actually since a lot of new users prolly gunna end up with this 2.3.5 bootloader and even later as sprint moves to ics
Whats wrong with mine? Im the only one actually works on them and it seems people dont appreciate them thats why I dont put more time to them
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I live in a 4g area and sprints 4g isn't good anyway so long live the unlocked roms! I mean if you stand in the middle of the street and don't move then it's awesome.
I like yours rocko...have tried them all but the most stable is 2.4..on it now. Tried the 3.5 but it does not have 4g for sprint.
Keep up the good work
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I like yours rocko...have tried them all but the most stable is 2.4..on it now. Tried the 3.5 but it does not have 4g for sprint.
Keep up the good work
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Ill work on that sprint leaked one have a couple testers probably 2night
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I cant see what there is to gain by unlocking and installing a rom that only works on an unlocked phone. Why should I give up 4g? Wish I knew how to make my own rom.
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Since I also live in a 4g area I'm not willing to give up my 4g by staying perm unlocked. Ive been reading and learning and am testing a locked rom just adding the tweaks hope to be ready in a few days.
I dont live in a 4g area, but most of my daylight time is in a 4g area and I use it. Lets face it! We have to pay for it. It should work. There is no way to compromise for me to give up 4g for some of the custom roms out there. I had an Evo before my Photon and I will say that when the time comes I will ditch this Photon and get a Samsung or HTC phone. Shame on Motorola for locking down their phones. Even the company I work for has given up on motorola and went to other radio manufacturers. It just seem there are more people developing on HTC and Samsung for the very reason that they are "OPEN" and not locked down.
Just my 2 cents...
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Whats wrong with mine? Im the only one actually works on them and it seems people dont appreciate them thats why I dont put more time to them
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i can honestly say ive never flashed any of your roms. right now my ideal one would be the 2.3.5 with fixed hdmi.. with that id be happy :/
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I dont live in a 4g area, but most of my daylight time is in a 4g area and I use it. Lets face it! We have to pay for it. It should work. There is no way to compromise for me to give up 4g for some of the custom roms out there. I had an Evo before my Photon and I will say that when the time comes I will ditch this Photon and get a Samsung or HTC phone. Shame on Motorola for locking down their phones. Even the company I work for has given up on motorola and went to other radio manufacturers. It just seem there are more people developing on HTC and Samsung for the very reason that they are "OPEN" and not locked down.
Just my 2 cents...
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you need to look up what open is, as it stands htcs "unlock is getting more and more locked down
I understand what you mean about htc being more locked down...that is why htc was second in my choices of my next phone. But I know that whatever man can lock down can be unlocked. It just take the desire too do it. If I was more of a developer and more advanced in this particular field I could spend more time working on it. But I am still learning and trying to figure it all out.
But thanks for your observations, and you developmental skills. We all appreciate it.
Back to the subject... what advantages do an unlocked bootloader with no 4G have over a locked bootloader with 4G.. rocko's rom is pretty nice and extremely smooth and he achieved that with a locked bootloader. Why flash a gingerbread rom that's made for an unlocked bootloader... I can kinda understand the purpose for an ICS rom because of its custom drivers
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Back to the subject... what advantages do an unlocked bootloader with no 4G have over a locked bootloader with 4G.. rocko's rom is pretty nice and extremely smooth and he achieved that with a locked bootloader. Why flash a gingerbread rom that's made for an unlocked bootloader... I can kinda understand the purpose for an ICS rom because of its custom drivers
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In the defense of unlocking, I don't remember when was the last time I wasn't on a ICS base rom. I have full 4g in my area and everywhere I have to go to work. but I like customizability and choices. sprint 3g is fast as **** here so I don't miss 4g at all. I don't think I've even run a kernel that can't be overclocked to 1.4 in a while also... so, I stay unlocked. Also, Rocko's roms are sweet.. locked or unlocked thanks for all the hard work...
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I dont live in a 4g area, but most of my daylight time is in a 4g area and I use it. Lets face it! We have to pay for it. It should work. There is no way to compromise for me to give up 4g for some of the custom roms out there. I had an Evo before my Photon and I will say that when the time comes I will ditch this Photon and get a Samsung or HTC phone. Shame on Motorola for locking down their phones. Even the company I work for has given up on motorola and went to other radio manufacturers. It just seem there are more people developing on HTC and Samsung for the very reason that they are "OPEN" and not locked down.
Just my 2 cents...
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I plan to ditch my Photon in a couple of weeks for an HTC One but I fully expect it to be locked down after HTC locked down the One for ATT. Im not real sure how I feel about that but the bottom line is I hate this phone. Its laggy, the screen sucks for gaming.. its a great PHONE but its a lousy smart device.
MadFlava said:
I plan to ditch my Photon in a couple of weeks for an HTC One but I fully expect it to be locked down after HTC locked down the One for ATT. Im not real sure how I feel about that but the bottom line is I hate this phone. Its laggy, the screen sucks for gaming.. its a great PHONE but its a lousy smart device.
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I'll give ya $100 for it right now.
CCallahan said:
I'll give ya $100 for it right now.
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I have an Otterbox Defender that needs to go with it. If you want to adjust the price a little, we can make it happen. You can check my feedback on Ebay if you want and Ill give you my contact info.. Im a straight shooter. Id even be willing to go back to my OG Epic 4G just to get rid of this thing.
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Whats wrong with mine? Im the only one actually works on them and it seems people dont appreciate them thats why I dont put more time to them
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Rocko,
Your Blur build is what i use when i need to go back to blur Great build! Id run it as my daily, but im a CM addict.
To the OP,
its all in the name of "bc they can." 4G(WIMAX) for me is over rated, 3G downloads emails and all that jazz plenty fast enough. id rather have the latest software then 4G, and ive been glued to CM since my EVO.
MadFlava,
screen sucks for gaming... Solitaire works great on my photon ha ha obviously im not a big gamer. I dont plan to make a move to a different phone unless the devs move. Ill follow them
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(if this affects my chances of ever getting dev status I'm not sure if I care as I've been waiting for almost a year)
Almost every day there's a "I can't find it" thread or post for a file that I personally hosted. Where can these files be found? In a STICKIED thread that I try to maintain and keep up to date. This leads me to believe that the money spent hosting and the work involved in the stickied thread is ignored and unappreciated by many.
People are still flashing 2.3.5electrify pudding on photons after it has been said many times "don't do it". Again this goes back to the previous paragraph. I'm now to the point that if you bork your phone considering that the information is obviously available, you deserve it.
Nobody is developing for locked? Since when? There's three locked ROM's/mods that I know of right now without looking. Rocko Locked to start, which I have said is a bloody good ROM for those that want eyecandy. Imperium Locked is for those that want a barebones ROM that was updated less than a week ago. Here's a surprise for folks. The Deblur/Debloat Script is an ODEXED version of Imperium Locked without the theme change! How many Locked ROMs do you want, or is it that reading and searching are to much of a bother.
Other annoying things are "I don't like the way it looks" complaints and the general lack of "thanks" or support. If you don't like the way a ROM looks then flash a theme. That's what they are there for. If you can't be bothered to flash a theme (and don't say there are none) then don't flash anything. Developing takes effort, time and money. If you are not developing, hitting the "thanks" button or donating then you are leeching, plain and simple.
Also. Why is this thread in the development section? I don't see any development work posted.
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Photon Locked vs unlocked;
Locked ROMs give you the benefit of being very close to the stock base in many cases. Things like PRL and profile updates work and in some cases you can choose to accept an OTA update with little to no issues. You also loose fewer stock features with locked like 4G. The drawback is that battery life is shorter, it runs slower and fine tuning is almost impossible.
Unlocked ROM's give you more choice and greater flexibility with things like full themes, kernels and overclocking/undervolting. It then becomes a choice of need vs want. My daily is my own ROM that is underclocked to 750MhZ single core and NOT undervolted. With the tuning of profiles, my battery fall off is 1% every three hours, video playback is around six hours and during a call my phone never breaks 456MhZ. In short, battery life is insane with a standby mode of 10 days before I get a low battery prompt. This cannot be done with locked. The only thing I loose is 4G but considering the impact 4G has on battery life I can actually transfer more data than if I did have 4G just at a slower rate.
If LTE proves to be more battery friendly then I may change my position but for now I personally choose flexibility and the ability to fine tune over 4G any day.
The DeBlur tool is awesome. I just had to flash back because Im going to participate in the SOAK if I get chosen. Everyone should run the DeBlur tool.
Hello,
I, like so many others am trying to decide between the Samsung Galaxy S3 & the HTC Evo 4G LTE. One thing that I definitely want is to be able to root and flash ROMS on whichever phone I get. I know that root has been achieved on both phones but I'd like thoughts on developer support between the two, and which one (or both) can be set back to an original state where it's not known it was rooted for warranty purposes. I know HTC lets you unlock the bootloader but unless there's a workaround it'll say relocked on the bootloader allowing anyone savvy enough to check that it's been rooted. Wondering if current root versions are S-on, S-off or either with the owner choosing. Or perhaps S-off is a must in order to truly relock the bootloader so it says locked instead of relocked. I also read in my research that you can trip a counter on the S3 the counts how many ROMS have been flashed... Although I also read it's possible to root without tripping the counter but if anything goes wrong, you can't reset the counter.
Now, it seems like the S3 would have the most dev support since it's been released globally but I'm assuming that the ROMS developed for the global quad core version won't be compatible with the dual core US version. Is this correct? Is there Evo dev community really committed so that I could expect similar work being done for both phones?
Lastly, I'm assuming that the S3 will have more accessories available for it given its release on 5 US carriers without any changes in the phone... Seems like a first for any phone but the iphone. Do you agree with this or do you expect lots of accessories and aftermarket items available for the Evo LTE as well.
I know that there's a lot of questions in this but with the phones being so similar, this may be the area that differentiates them. And I know that I definitely want to root the phone... No question on that.
Thanks in advance for any and all advice! I appreciate it so much!
All your questions could of been answered with a simple search of the development section.
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the only thing people are saying that i know about the ONLY thing that better on the gs3 is the screen.. other than that it all go's to the EVO!!! :victory: go on youtube and search evo 4g lte vs gs3.. u be the judge..
kaos420 said:
All your questions could of been answered with a simple search of the development section.
Sent from my ice cream powered Evo Lte!
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^ +1
There are already thousands of threads in this forum alone. Best place to start is the stickies in each section.
People in these forums don't usually take kindly to people wanting info, that has already been answered many times before, spoon fed to them.
Do some research and if you have specific questions about a process or feature that you can't find elsewhere, then ask.
One part of your question that I will answer, is that we do have a great, easy S-Off method and also a mod that allows you to make your bootloader appear stock, meaning it can say ***LOCKED*** and S-ON, even without those being true. With this method you don't need to use htcDev to unlock it.
Hope this helps. Happy researching.
evo401 said:
the only thing people are saying that i know about the ONLY thing that better on the gs3 is the screen.. other than that it all go's to the EVO!!! :victory: go on youtube and search evo 4g lte vs gs3.. u be the judge..
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Even that's opinion. I by far and away prefer the htc screen. It's more clear/sharp and doesn't use crayola neon colors.
OP I would also suggest browsing forum for the phones in question. As far as dev support goes, you're likely gonna have to separate each carrier version as well as us/international version of the s3.
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Haha yeah, the screen is the one place that the EVO DEFINITELY beats the S3. Most of the rest is personal preference.
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No, my questions couldn't and weren't answered by searching the forums. Rather than what IS NOW, I was wanting opinions on what you felt each phone would draw... In terms of devs and work for that phone. Now, if each phone had been released for 8+ months, that would be an entirely different story. But let's face it, the Evo LTE has been out for just a month and I'm still getting told by corporate stores (other than Vzw) that the release date was pushed back again until tomorrow. What I was hoping for was some educated prognostications as to how you felt that the dev communities would grow and take on their own "personalities". If you see the potential for growth larger on the Evo LTE vs S3, or vice-versa, etc. These are questions that require a working knowledge of a dev community and how they develop and what draws devs to any given phone.
As far as the bootloader on the Lte goes, there is currently a method to unlock and s-off without htcdev. There is also a method to take it back to completely stock s-on and "locked" not relocked. You must have s-off to accomplish it though. HTC will never know. Just look at the stickies under the development section and you can find what you need.
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Great info... Thanks for letting me know about both the capabilities to look like rooting hasn't taken place AND that Sprint will work on rooted phones. That's a huge big deal compared to Vzw.