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Based on what's happening with the other "new" HTC phones, it's looking more and more like there will not be a way to do a perm root (S=Off) on the EVO 3D, unless by way of the XTC Clip.
So if there's no perm root on any of the other new HTC phones by the time the EVO 3D is release, will you still purchase it? If so, do you not care about root or do you just feel it will eventually happen?
Me... as much as I hate the way Samsung has treated it's customers with the after sales support, I'm starting to seriously consider the SGS II. 3D isn't important to me, but having the support of developers are.
I think it will happen eventually. I can always sell it if it doesn't happen.
I feel it will happen. Even if they never figure a way to unlock the bootloader I'm positive that they will at least get root access and as long as I get my free wireless tethering to work ill be good. Don't get me wrong I'd be dissapointed if they were never be able to crack it, i'll be good with just root.
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I feel it will happen. Even if they never figure a way to unlock the bootloader I'm positive that they will at least get root access and as long as I get my free wireless tethering to work ill be good. Don't get me wrong I'd be dissapointed if they were never be able to crack it, i'll be good with just root.
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I agree. They will figure out a way.
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I agree. They will figure out a way.
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this is the problem with the miracles of developers, they instill so much confidence in us that we think they can do anything. True, where there's a will, there's a way, but an encrypted bootloader is pretty hard to get past, they never did it on any of the Motorola phones, and if the Evo 3D has one, I don't see it being cracked anytime soon. Sure, they were able to hack a lot of older phones, but they were just locked bootloaders, not encrypted.
Personally, I'm getting kind of sick of running custom ROMs now, simply because I now have 2 jobs and don't have the time to configure my phone to my liking every time I flash something different. Though I'd still be pissed with the encrypted bootloader, the option to run a custom rom should still be available if needed
But, with Samsung phones, they are using that horrible filesystem. I mean wow, on the Galaxy S 4G, there is STILL not a Clockworkmod Recovery, which means STILL no ROM's because of the file system issues.
Honestly, if the EVO 3D can't be rooted, and the Galaxy S2 has another bunk filesystem which really can't be modded, I will not be purchasing either.
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But, with Samsung phones, they are using that horrible filesystem. I mean wow, on the Galaxy S 4G, there is STILL not a Clockworkmod Recovery, which means STILL no ROM's because of the file system issues.
Honestly, if the EVO 3D can't be rooted, and the Galaxy S2 has another bunk filesystem which really can't be modded, I will not be purchasing either.
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I'm rooted on an Epic 4G...which uses RFS.
There is no point of even talking about it because it will come how all previous HTC phones have come to sprint. Locked and rooted before its released. These BS scare tactics are more than laughable.
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this is the problem with the miracles of developers, they instill so much confidence in us that we think they can do anything. True, where there's a will, there's a way, but an encrypted bootloader is pretty hard to get past, they never did it on any of the Motorola phones, and if the Evo 3D has one, I don't see it being cracked anytime soon. Sure, they were able to hack a lot of older phones, but they were just locked bootloaders, not encrypted.
Personally, I'm getting kind of sick of running custom ROMs now, simply because I now have 2 jobs and don't have the time to configure my phone to my liking every time I flash something different. Though I'd still be pissed with the encrypted bootloader, the option to run a custom rom should still be available if needed
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HTC Sensation, 3D will have bootloader sign, motorola bootloader sign and encrypted is two different things.
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HTC Sensation, 3D will have bootloader sign, motorola bootloader sign and encrypted is two different things.
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That's true, but so far, it seems HTC's new way of signing or whatever they did hasn't been or can't be broken yet with what info is out there. How long has the Incredible S been out now... since late Feb? Still no one has been able to get a software S=off, to give it a permanent root. This has me worried.
As much as I hate Samsung, I think I might need to get the SGS II because I don't want to get a phone that can't get perm root.
Ill get it. If it can't be fully rooted I will reevaluate and decide whether it not to sell it. Sense 3
0 with those specs and partial root may suffice.
Tapa tapa tapa
The phones we have been discussing all have one thing in common, Verizon. I don't think Sprint will force HTC to do this and I doubt HTC is really wanting to lock the devs out.
Yea I will get it regardless. My primary reason for rooting my hero was better performance and softest. But when I buy Sprint''s next flag ship phone, it won't get out dated as fast.
From my Gingerbread Hero.
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The phones we have been discussing all have one thing in common, Verizon. I don't think Sprint will force HTC to do this and I doubt HTC is really wanting to lock the devs out.
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Can someone put this quote on repeat?
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No way. I'll keep the OG evo til a GSII shows up on sprint if we cant get full root. At least samsung never locks their stuff up.
Root, or die!
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The phones we have been discussing all have one thing in common, Verizon. I don't think Sprint will force HTC to do this and I doubt HTC is really wanting to lock the devs out.
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Maybe in the US, but it's happened in Europe too. Plus, I read somewhere that Verizon never asked HTC to lock down the bootloader.
I really think it's HTC's doing and I have a feeling it has something to do with that CPO, Kouji Kodera, they picked up from Sony Ericsson.
http://wmpoweruser.com/scary-htc-poaches-sony-ericsson-executives-to-streamline-product-development/
He's probably the guy who got SE to lock down their phones and now is doing it with HTC. Now that SE doesn't have him, they're starting to go the other direction.
Im definitely getting one. The geniuses on xda will figure it out.
EOD is evotastic!
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Maybe in the US, but it's happened in Europe too. Plus, I read somewhere that Verizon never asked HTC to lock down the bootloader.
I really think it's HTC's doing and I have a feeling it has something to do with that CPO, Kouji Kodera, they picked up from Sony Ericsson.
http://wmpoweruser.com/scary-htc-poaches-sony-ericsson-executives-to-streamline-product-development/
He's probably the guy who got SE to lock down their phones and now is doing it with HTC. Now that SE doesn't have him, they're starting to go the other direction.
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This makes a lot of sense. But I really hope you are wrong. For HTC to turn on it's current user base, many of which are involved in android dev, modding, etc at some level. And go in SE's direction would be enough for me to turn my back on HTC all together.
To my way of thinking, Android devices should not only be an open source OS, but should also provide an open development platform. Locking us out of devices that we pay good money for, and until now would have had a reasonable expectation to be able to do what we want with is just wrong.
i can live without root i think for this phone. The new sense on top of 2.3 is so smooth. I think it will happen though.
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i can live without root i think for this phone. The new sense on top of 2.3 is so smooth. I think it will happen though.
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I can live without root... But I really think my enjoyment of the phone would be drastically lower. A few of my every day apps require root permissions, my wifi teathering requires it...
Don't get me wrong, On hardware specs and stock software alone I am excited. But at the same time I have a big problem supporting a company that would slap us in the face like we are Motorola customers.
I guess we'll have to wait and see. But I am not going to jump on it right at the initial release date like I did with my current Evo.
I do not currently have a solution, just posting my question/idea (that i'm sure someone thought of already but just in case).
Has anyone looked into trying to disable whatever it is that's causing our temp root to stop working after 5 minutes.
I disabled some of the automatic system services that start up, and was able to with the temp root method. Using apps such as "Autostarts (paid)" and "Gemini App Manager" I disabled all the VZW bloat and then some, but still lose root shortly after applying the process. I was wondering if it's possible to find a process (if that's what's causing us to lose root) to disable to allow perm root?
There are a lot of auto-start processes, though I did disable a lot of them, I'm not sure what they all do so I was just guessing. I'm not trying to brick my phone, so if it's not possible to get perm root this way, I'd like to know if I'm wasting my time . If any devs have knowledge or experience with this please feel free to chime in . Thank you.
Not sure about all that, but I was wondering about that whole HTC sponsored root process... whatever happened with that? They promised an official way to root their phones not long back.
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Not sure about all that, but I was wondering about that whole HTC sponsored root process... whatever happened with that? They promised an official way to root their phones not long back.
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They did, but the carrier has the final say. Verizon, wanting to be in control of everything, obviously said no.
I am sure there is a way to game the system and get it working... Internally these phones are basically the same when they use the same SOC.
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I am sure there is a way to game the system and get it working... Internally these phones are basically the same when they use the same SOC.
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True but when htc patches a know exploit, a new one needs to be found. It's takes much skill and time to accomplish that LOL....so
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True... tricking the unlocker to think a phone is a different model is the hard part. Probably best to just hack in anyway.
Wish HTC would be tricky and leave a deliberate backdoor for us with a wink followed by inattentive gaze. Wishful thinking I know...
Of course for security reasons said door would need to be made so that physical access to the device and a computer would be required. Thats the hard bit right there.
As it stands I will probably be picking one of these up on the Amazon penny sale. Unless I choose to go sprint and then get the Galaxy S 2... (more of a fan of HTC devices though so who knows) Dropping t-mobile possibly... unless they give me a darn good reason not to.
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True... tricking the unlocker to think a phone is a different model is the hard part. Probably best to just hack in anyway.
Wish HTC would be tricky and leave a deliberate backdoor for us with a wink followed by inattentive gaze. Wishful thinking I know...
Of course for security reasons said door would need to be made so that physical access to the device and a computer would be required. Thats the hard bit right there.
As it stands I will probably be picking one of these up on the Amazon penny sale. Unless I choose to go sprint and then get the Galaxy S 2... (more of a fan of HTC devices though so who knows) Dropping t-mobile possibly... unless they give me a darn good reason not to.
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Haha, I've often wondered that too. If HTC really is trying to be DEV friendly, but they have to pander to Verizon as well, why keep patching the holes? Why not just leave a hidden backdoor that's not too easy to find, but that a skilled DEV would know where to look?
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Haha, I've often wondered that too. If HTC really is trying to be DEV friendly, but they have to pander to Verizon as well, why keep patching the holes? Why not just leave a hidden backdoor that's not too easy to find, but that a skilled DEV would know where to look?
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
There is always a way in, look how many people have bootlegged version of everything.
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
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I highly doubt Verizon would have any clue about anything to do with where the code is placed to "patch" a bootloader. Their degree of any form of coding expertise when it comes to these things seems minimal at best.
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So they don't get sued by Verizon. Also they would be losing one of the major carriers of their phones.
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While this is probably true, I also think that if Verizon can sue HTC for making their bottloaders easy to unlock, I should be allowed to sue Verizon for loading my phone up with bloatware and crap apps that I don't need or want and can't remove...
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While this is probably true, I also think that if Verizon can sue HTC for making their bottloaders easy to unlock, I should be allowed to sue Verizon for loading my phone up with bloatware and crap apps that I don't need or want and can't remove...
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I wonder if there's potential for a class action suit for stuff like this. Perhaps if some of the software could be shown to compromise phone security or privacy?
I just hope someone comes up with something soon. An unrooted phone is so worthless I feel. Can't wait to get rid of the bloat ware and customize the phone the way I truly want it.
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Practice patience. It simply takes time and the phone has only been out for a week.
But they already unlocked the Galaxy Nexus...... Lol
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Go get one.haha
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My best friend just upgraded to the GS3 from his original Galaxy S. I tried to get him to get the unlocked Galaxy Nexus, but that's another story. He won't let me root his GS3 at all. He likes it, and says that all that is unnecessary BS, and if it doesn't come stock it's not needed. I personally have a rooted Nexus s 4g, and he still resist the urge to root. How can you convince people to take the leap of faith and get their phone rooted?
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My best friend just upgraded to the GS3 from his original Galaxy S. I tried to get him to get the unlocked Galaxy Nexus, but that's another story. He won't let me root his GS3 at all. He likes it, and says that all that is unnecessary BS, and if it doesn't come stock it's not needed. I personally have a rooted Nexus s 4g, and he still resist the urge to root. How can you convince people to take the leap of faith and get their phone rooted?
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You can tell him that he can get rid of ads in apps if he roots the phone. I bet he thinks that they're annoying too.
Don't bother, he doesn't need root.
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Don't bother, he doesn't need root.
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HAHAHAHA!! Good one.
bee mcfly said:
My best friend just upgraded to the GS3 from his original Galaxy S. I tried to get him to get the unlocked Galaxy Nexus, but that's another story. He won't let me root his GS3 at all. He likes it, and says that all that is unnecessary BS, and if it doesn't come stock it's not needed. I personally have a rooted Nexus s 4g, and he still resist the urge to root. How can you convince people to take the leap of faith and get their phone rooted?
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Why do you want to force him to root?
It's his phone, he's happy and that is his choice.
I rooted the sh*t out of my SGS 1 because the stock firmware had a lot of issues, and only after 2 years of community development I'd say that the various homebrew ROMs and kernels reached a level of maturity, performance and stability which allowed an overall smooth experience.
With the SGS 3 at the moment i'm super happy with stock firmware, for now i'll keep on monitoring the community developments and i'll root it when i'll feel it's the right time.
ROOT = NO until root is required its not a go faster must have toy .
If he wants to carry out certain operations that require root then yes but its the height on noobness to root for no reason .Root voids warranty .
jje
The main reason is to do a proper backup of apps before flashing new firmware using titanium
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JJEgan said:
ROOT = NO until root is required its not a go faster must have toy .
If he wants to carry out certain operations that require root then yes but its the height on noobness to root for no reason .Root voids warranty .
jje
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I totally agree, too much **** could go horribly wrong if someone who is clueless about Android has root.
If he wants to learn himself all well and good but in this situation he is better off without it.
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steal his mobile for few minutes and root it and give your friend a surprise
You can't force him to root. Don't worry, if he feels the urge he will. It's human nature .
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Stock ROM is sufficient. No need to root
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Respect Your Friends
If it really is your best friend, then be a good friend and see the situation from his perspective, not just your own. As he sees it, rooting is an unnecessary complication that may bring risk, and from his point of view, he is right.
I rooted my new tablet only after I realized I needed to because there were things I wanted to do that required rooting. Along with that, I set myself up to restore the tablet to its original condition if anything went wrong. I am an experienced Unix/Linux system administrator, and the decision to root the device was not one I made quickly, without learning as much as I could about rooting, and thinking it through. I would never try to talk anyone else into doing it, and it would bother me if a good friend rooted their device just to copy me, or because it was "a cool thing to do."
Instead of trying to manipulate your friend into doing something to make you happy, make sure you are doing it to benefit him, and not cause problems in his life. If you consider all of the possible consequences, that may be harder than you think. ;-)
Having said all that, if you still want to continue with your idea, here is a plan: Make a list of all the additional things you can do with a rooted device, and think about the added value. It's not hard to get a list of apps that require a rooted device, and there are even websites with articles like, "Top 15 Apps That Require Rooting." Then show your friend how the apps are run, and show how easy it is, and that it is 99% safe. Also, if he ends up in the 1%, make sure he can recover his device and explain that to him.
If he still doesn't want to do it, leave him alone. Repeat the following until you can say it easily: "OK, I respect your decision."
And if you can say that and mean it, you will have maximized the chance that sometime in the future, he will decide to root, after making the decision on his own, not because someone pushed him into it.
some people is scared of this rooting thing coz, they r afraid to void their warranty. We all know it's not true but people will always be like that.
1. Take the trouble to educate him on the real risk of root, which is pretty much none.
2. Make sure he has a desire to control and make his device the way the wants it to be.
If #2 is not valid. You can leave him alone, and from time to time, show him how awesome root can be. He will have to convince himself to do it. Don't put it upon yourself to force him to it. Root & modification generated experiences varies from people to people.
Connect a Ps3 controller and play something like Nova 3 on Tv to show the possibilities of Rooting.
I agree with others if he doesn't want to root don't force him, I only rooted my old gt540 because the phone was stuck on 2.1 and I wanted GB currently I have no reason to root my GS3 but I will when I need to.
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Michael_P said:
Connect a Ps3 controller and play something like Nova 3 on Tv to show the possibilities of Rooting.
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That's IF you can get your hands in the right Hdmi cable..I've spent over 100 dollars ordering 2 different Hdmi mhl adapters now trying to find the right one. Crossing my fingers that the current one I have ordered will work.
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Honestly if I was forced to I could do without almost everything that needs Root, but if I saw a phone that couldn't use Titanium Backup I just don't think I'd buy it because picking that App is a no Brainer, and I've known a load of people who have lost a f**k load of data because they had no backups so I offer to temporarily Root then Unroot to make them the occasional backup.
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some people is scared of this rooting thing coz, they r afraid to void their warranty. We all know it's not true but people will always be like that.
1. Take the trouble to educate him on the real risk of root, which is pretty much none.
2. Make sure he has a desire to control and make his device the way the wants it to be.
If #2 is not valid. You can leave him alone, and from time to time, show him how awesome root can be. He will have to convince himself to do it. Don't put it upon yourself to force him to it. Root & modification generated experiences varies from people to people.
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Please replace word root with jesus and you'll see how patronizing this sounds
Sormus said:
Please replace word root with jesus and you'll see how patronizing this sounds
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Lolololol
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Thanks y'all. Kinda realized that leaving someone with a rooted phone is worse than not rooting at all. It's like buying a teen Sports car setting it up, and leaving him unattended. Plus he likes touchwiz soI guess I'll leave him be.
How close are we to gaining S-off/root? The only threads that are being posted in in the past 2 weeks are the rom threads, and those are for the unlocked phones only.
So, how close are we to getting our phones rooted and such?
Method320 said:
How close are we to gaining S-off/root? The only threads that are being posted in in the past 2 weeks are the rom threads, and those are for the unlocked phones only.
So, how close are we to getting our phones rooted and such?
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don't know, this is like beating a dead horse.
we will know once it happens, blame verizon
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we will know once it happens, blame verizon
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YEP, what? we've been locked now for 2 months or more. just can't see the reasoning behind it, i think they want this phone dead.
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we will know once it happens, blame verizon
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So there's literally nothing that can happen until verizon allows s-off? I'm probably completely incorrect in thinking this so correct me if so but, isn't s-off just unlocking the bootloader? Motorola phones always have their bootloader locked, but they have plenty of roms available, as well as root...
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So there's literally nothing that can happen until verizon allows s-off? I'm probably completely incorrect in thinking this so correct me if so but, isn't s-off just unlocking the bootloader? Motorola phones always have their bootloader locked, but they have plenty of roms available, as well as root...
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no unlocking does not give s-off, but when unlocked you can flash roms and kernels using adb, you can't flash radios though. with s-off you don't need to use adb or a computer to flash, and you can flash anything
basicly all you need adb for is to flash the boot.img of the rom after flashing with recovery
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So there's literally nothing that can happen until verizon allows s-off? I'm probably completely incorrect in thinking this so correct me if so but, isn't s-off just unlocking the bootloader? Motorola phones always have their bootloader locked, but they have plenty of roms available, as well as root...
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Verizon will never give s-off.
there is hope they allow us htc dev unlock back and as soon as that happens, s-off will come with it shortly after
there no saying "how close" one is to cracking an exploit...
I'm happy knowing that someone is indeed working on it though.
Yeah I'd probably be tempted to switch to the Razr M as soon as it gets root. I'd love to stick with this incredible though. It's like the only form factors I enjoy are locked tighter than ever
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trillonometry said:
Yeah I'd probably be tempted to switch to the Razr M as soon as it gets root. I'd love to stick with this incredible though. It's like the only form factors I enjoy are locked tighter than ever
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Im sure it's only a matter of time.
Right?
This phone is slowly dying and it sucks... I shut mine off and turned my rezound back on because of no root... It's not looking good for the inc4G community especially if something don't happen soon... Because in another month this device will be considered old...then nobody will but it. Keep your fingers crossed tho maybe someone will figure it out
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This phone is slowly dying and it sucks... I shut mine off and turned my rezound back on because of no root... It's not looking good for the inc4G community especially if something don't happen soon... Because in another month this device will be considered old...then nobody will but it. Keep your fingers crossed tho maybe someone will figure it out
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It just doesnt make sense. The inc2 (my previous phone) had s-off, why keep the inc4g so locked down?
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It just doesnt make sense. The inc2 (my previous phone) had s-off, why keep the inc4g so locked down?
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Yea it doesn't make sense, it flat out pisses me off as I'm sure the rest of you guys. I don't have the damn phone, but I really want it for the form factor that it is and phablet that it's not. I mean, hell the guys over on the gsiii got that unlocked, not sure if it was VZ or the developers over there but it's rocking and rolling, no reason why they shouldn't allow us the same.
Even their stupid data plans are out now which make it so convenient to share your data, legally tether in other words, so it's not like were just looking to root it to take advantage of their phones. The Crapple 5 is on the shelf, so what's the hold up VZ. Sorry just frustrated with those clowns at VZ.
Thankfully the OG Dinc guys are still hard at work dev and that allows me to run with JB on my outdated ride but if she goes up in smoke, I gotta real dilemma, lol..
I'm glad to see folks are still trying to work on it here, this could be a hell of a phone and forum if you guys crack this mother
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Yea it doesn't make sense, it flat out pisses me off as I'm sure the rest of you guys. I don't have the damn phone, but I really want it for the form factor that it is and phablet that it's not. I mean, hell the guys over on the gsiii got that unlocked, not sure if it was VZ or the developers over there but it's rocking and rolling, no reason why they shouldn't allow us the same.
Even their stupid data plans are out now which make it so convenient to share your data, legally tether in other words, so it's not like were just looking to root it to take advantage of their phones. The Crapple 5 is on the shelf, so what's the hold up VZ. Sorry just frustrated with those clowns at VZ.
Thankfully the OG Dinc guys are still hard at work dev and that allows me to run with JB on my outdated ride but if she goes up in smoke, I gotta real dilemma, lol..
I'm glad to see folks are still trying to work on it here, this could be a hell of a phone and forum if you guys crack this mother
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The main problem is the device isn't getting any attention from devs... Which means its not high on the list to unlock it... Inc 2 got lucky because it came out with froyo and a lot of exploits were already made for it... Ics is a ***** to crack
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Does all this crying really help out the cause? This is an amazing phone. I left my rooted Dinc to come to this phone. It has a better camera,processor, sound, and 4" screen that is better and still fits in my pocket.
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Does all this crying really help out the cause? This is an amazing phone. I left my rooted Dinc to come to this phone. It has a better camera,processor, sound, and 4" screen that is better and still fits in my pocket.
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Well i think everyone is just venting, from frustration, it's all cool
tjamscad said:
Does all this crying really help out the cause? This is an amazing phone. I left my rooted Dinc to come to this phone. It has a better camera,processor, sound, and 4" screen that is better and still fits in my pocket.
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I love the phone. It's absolutely better than my original Incredible, but I would love this phone all that much more if I could root it. I don't care about S-OFF or unlocked bootloader as much as having root and being able to do some of the stuff I could on my Incredible. Like Andy has said, as soon as we get any form of root, even temp root, we'll have S-OFF. We just need that little step first.
I gotta say I feel really bad for you guys. I was strongly considering this phone, even though I pre-ordered a GS3 to keep my unlimited data in tact. I planned to either sell the GS3 on eBay or exchange it for the Dinc 4G but I ended up sticking with the GS3 out of laziness. I was jealous that you guys had an unlocked bootloader from launch but what a dirty move on Verizon's part making HTC take it down. Really horrible.
So I've been following progress here ever since. I'm glad there are people doing work on it, as perhaps someday I'll have the upgrade I originally wanted; one I can comfortably hold. I basically have to two-hand this thing.
Here's to hope for the future!
Div033 said:
I gotta say I feel really bad for you guys. I was strongly considering this phone, even though I pre-ordered a GS3 ...snip... I basically have to two-hand this thing.
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^ That is exactly why I wanted the Dinc4g. The signal is solid, it's very fast - both processor and 4G internet ...and it fits in my pocket nicely.
it. just. needs. root.
It maybe because there is no htcdev unlock too. I plan on getting this phone, but my upgrade isn't for awhile. I'm confident it will get s-off soon, but i'll enjoy my S-OFF Inc2 until this phone is S-OFF.
even though this phone is pretty nice i wouldn't pick it up down the road... it's a ghost town for forums and with no root and half the apps not utilizing the google intended extended menu there is a black bar a lot of the time using the app. If you want something small and locked down the Razr M smacks this around i think. I'm tempted to go to it just for the soft keys alone.
I have been an iPhone 4 user for about two years now, and am getting extremely bored with iOS. I just want more out of an OS!!
I have my upgrade coming in a few days and I have decided to go with the HTC Droid DNA, I saw the phone in a Verizon store and it looked/felt awesome!
I had my iPhone jailbroken whenever I could, and am definitely curious about unlocking/rooting/flashing and all the other terms used with an Android. I have been searching all over this forum and a few other sites to try to get familar with the whole process. It definitely seems alil overwhelming at this point, but I have learned alot form reading post and watching videos on here.
Look forward to learning more and if I can build up the courage, root this phone.
Thanks for everyones contributions and hardwork on this site, really is amazing. :good:
It is a bit different I had a galaxy nexus and man that was so damn easy to unlock root and flash whatever the hell I wanted. This is easy I got the hang of it in hours. Just keep reading up and looking at videos
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justice_beaver said:
I have been an iPhone 4 user for about two years now, and am getting extremely bored with iOS. I just want more out of an OS!!
I have my upgrade coming in a few days and I have decided to go with the HTC Droid DNA, I saw the phone in a Verizon store and it looked/felt awesome!
I had my iPhone jailbroken whenever I could, and am definitely curious about unlocking/rooting/flashing and all the other terms used with an Android. I have been searching all over this forum and a few other sites to try to get familar with the whole process. It definitely seems alil overwhelming at this point, but I have learned alot form reading post and watching videos on here.
Look forward to learning more and if I can build up the courage, root this phone.
Thanks for everyones contributions and hardwork on this site, really is amazing. :good:
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Just in case you get frustrated at first, it'll get slightly easier if/once we get s-off
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rexdog1888 said:
Just in case you get frustrated at first, it'll get slightly easier if/once we get s-off
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I have been seeing "s-off/s-on" in many different threads and was not able to figure out what that means. Care to share??
justice_beaver said:
I have been seeing "s-off/s-on" in many different threads and was not able to figure out what that means. Care to share??
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It stands for security on or off. If you are s off it makes your life so much easier, but you can still do many things with s on
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Gratz on getting an DNA, lot more customization than Ann iPhone, it's a decision you won't regret
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Welcome to Android.
And just a few words, if you care to consider:
DO NOT TRY TO ROOT IT IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST ANDROID MAIN DEVICE.
If it is a main device, don't try to root it at first. Enjoy something "out-of-box" first. And most importantly, give yourself some time to get familiar with all those fancy sometimes confusing terms before you actually get hands on and root the thing.
Many times folks gets too excited and jumped into the pool immediately only to find that they did not bring safety with them and brick their device.
It is a 600 USD device after all. Enjoy the out-of-box experience first!
Try to become a power user before getting to rooting/modding/theming stuff. The fun will be exponential. =)
jiwengang said:
Welcome to Android.
And just a few words, if you care to consider:
DO NOT TRY TO ROOT IT IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST ANDROID MAIN DEVICE.
If it is a main device, don't try to root it at first. Enjoy something "out-of-box" first. And most importantly, give yourself some time to get familiar with all those fancy sometimes confusing terms before you actually get hands on and root the thing.
Many times folks gets too excited and jumped into the pool immediately only to find that they did not bring safety with them and brick their device.
It is a 600 USD device after all. Enjoy the out-of-box experience first!
Try to become a power user before getting to rooting/modding/theming stuff. The fun will be exponential. =)
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Thanks for the advice, think I will go this route. I am definitely not comfortable yet trying to root/unlock. I will just enjoy the Android OS until I do some more research.
Thanks for your help!!
Yeah, honestly, Jelly Bean + Sense 4+ are great enough that if I were you, I'd get comfortable with the phone before rooting. Spend time going through all of the settings and figuring stuff out. You'll notice that even without root you'll have TONS more control than you did on your iPhone.
The Google Play store isn't as great as Apple's, but there are tons of really great apps out there. For example, I've been using Handcent SMS exclusively for sms/mms and I love it. You can customize the look and feel in that app in a way you never possibly could on an iPhone. I also highly recommend an alternate keyboard, my personal favorite is Swype. Just sliding my thumb to type makes life so easy. SMS Backup & Restore is another good one, especially once you root and start trying out custom ROMs.
Rooting will give you full system access, and so it'll allow for more powerful applications. For example, IMO the best reason to root is for recovery and backup. You can create full images of your phone (to restore if anything goes wrong) as well as backing up all your apps (with their data). Also, when rooted you can easily block all ads which is very nice.
S-off prevents writing to the system's memory (other than when connected to your computer via a developer terminal) so that holds back what you can really do in terms of custom ROMS and root apps.
a custom ROM is basically a modified operating system. Usually with new phones, the first ROMs you'll see are "debloated" or just the stock with unwanted parts removed. After that you'll start to see the developers really show off their skills and start customizing the look and feel, tweaking the performance, and writing new features. Sometimes you'll go as far as devs pushing newer versions of Android than are available from Verizon (like Liquid's ICS for the HTC Thunderbolt which still runs Gingerbread).
Oh, and if you're confused by all the food talk, Google names their Android released after Desserts alphabetically. We're currently on J (Jelly Bean 4.1,4.2), which follows Ice Cream Sandwhich (4.0), Honeycomb (3, for tablets) and Gingerbread (2.3).
This is a really helpful post man thanks. I I am a 2year iPhone 4 user as well. Always jailbroken, loved tweaking and the extra control it would give me. I had a Motorola Xoom FE TABLET with Honeycomb. I never played on it so I sold it. But I did like the Os, rooted my daughters DROID 3. But never got into anything besides that. I also looking forward to Rooting this and doing all sorts of tweaks.
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